1.
Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss. 6-3, 234.
A match-up nightmare in the passing game who showed at the Senior Bowl that he was a willing and capable blocker.
Highlights
2.
Tyus Bowser, LB. Houston. 6-3, 247.
Lance Zierlein says:
"Ascending pass-rush prospect who is still learning the fundamentals of his position thanks to a late commitment to the sport. Bowser's movement ability in space creates interesting possibilities for teams looking for a twitched-up toy to play with. Bowser lacks production, but his explosive characteristics off the edge will push him up the draft board and give him a chance to play well above where some scouts might project him."
Highlights
3.
Jaleel Johnson, DT, Iowa. 6-3, 316.
From DraftWire at the Senior Bowl practices:
"Johnson was able to bull-rush top level guards, including Indiana’s Dan Feeney, and find his way in the backfield. His sheer upper-body strength combined and quickness could make him deadly as a pass rusher up the middle at the next level."
Scouting Report from some guy on Youtube
4.
Erik Magnuson, OT/OG, Michigan. 6-6, 303.
He did not get invited to the Combine,
and boy is he pissed.
Erik Magnuson vs. Ohio State (2016) from DraftBreakdown.com
5.
Jermaine Eluemunor, OG/OT, Texas A& M. 6-4, 332
" "I didn't think too much about him before we played, but we were impressed with him. He's a really powerful guy and he moves way better than I expected. I thought he was going to be stiff but he's not." -- SEC defensive coach
"I'm just trying to make my dreams come true."
6.
Nate Hairston, CB, Temple. 6-0, 196.
Lance Zierlein says:
"Raw but very moldable prospect. Hairston shows good awareness from zone and his physical style and willingness to come tackle make him an immediate fit for primarily zone cover teams. However he may have the tools to eventually become a solid bump-and-run cornerback as he becomes more experienced at the position. Hairston is a projection-based talent who should become a much better player in two years than he is today."
Shrine Game Interview
7.
Prescott Line, FB, Michigan State. 5-11, 253
"He's a football player."
Highlights
This year we sign Ellison and have Adams returning and I just don't think the Giants see TE as the kind of priority they would spend a #1 (or even a #2 or #3) on. Just for a start I think DT and OL are much higher priority positions than TE. If you're drafting a TE #1 you're not drafting something else.
It was just as hard for me to leave out a WR as it was for me to leave out a RB, but I considered several factors:
1. Engram's versatility, as you noted.
2. Signing Brandon Marshall lessens the need to get another young WR in the pipeline this year.
3. The 2018 WR class looks to be as strong as this year's.
4. The need to reinforce the defense, especially the pass-rush. Bowser and Johnson provide that from edge and the interior, and Bowser has the speed and athleticism to excel in coverage, too.
5. We do agree on the OL. We haven't been successful developing mid-round OL picks for a while now, so I figure we're due. :)
Is that a serious question?
I like Bowser in Round 2. His stock has been soaring lately and he may not be there at 55, but probably a 50/50 shot at this point. Can do a lot of things with him and would add a dynamic dimension to this D.
Johnson in the 3rd would be a solid pick with the expectation that we're losing Hankinks.
4th and 5th round OL prospects both solid, developmental guys that could probably play a little G day one if necessary (although that shouldn't be necessary without injuries).
I like Hairston as a late round corner as well. Not familiar with the fullback and I sort of doubt we'd carry a full back plus Ellison - I think it's far more likely we carry 3 true TE's plus Ellison. But in the 7th round, anyone's worth a flier.
Again, nice work.
Also he won't be able to block well once he is in the NFL. There is only so much laws of physics you can overcome with pure upper body strength when you are light in the pants.
This year we sign Ellison and have Adams returning and I just don't think the Giants see TE as the kind of priority they would spend a #1 (or even a #2 or #3) on. Just for a start I think DT and OL are much higher priority positions than TE. If you're drafting a TE #1 you're not drafting something else.
The way I see it, Bill, is that the game is evolving in such a way that it's more about match-ups than it is about traditional roles, and as I said, Engram is a match-up nightmare for opposing defenses due to his speed and athleticism. He can get open very quickly and he catches just about everything thrown his way (10-inch hands!). I salivate when I think about what he can do in terms of YAC.
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Last year we signed Vernon and resigned JPP and folks were saying we wanted Floyd That made no sense even if he had a position in a 4-3 which he didn't.
This year we sign Ellison and have Adams returning and I just don't think the Giants see TE as the kind of priority they would spend a #1 (or even a #2 or #3) on. Just for a start I think DT and OL are much higher priority positions than TE. If you're drafting a TE #1 you're not drafting something else.
The way I see it, Bill, is that the game is evolving in such a way that it's more about match-ups than it is about traditional roles, and as I said, Engram is a match-up nightmare for opposing defenses due to his speed and athleticism. He can get open very quickly and he catches just about everything thrown his way (10-inch hands!). I salivate when I think about what he can do in terms of YAC.
He may be a matchup nightmare but at 6'3" 237 he's also not a TE in the regular sense of the term, He's an H-Back type and that's not a position that McAdoo has used in the 3 years his offense has been here. A "a willing and capable blocker" when facing a DE who outweighs him by 30 lbs?
Also he won't be able to block well once he is in the NFL. There is only so much laws of physics you can overcome with pure upper body strength when you are light in the pants.
A competent GM strikes while the iron is hot.
As for blocking, Shannon Sharpe was an excellent blocker at 228 pounds. If size was all that mattered then Larry Donnell would be your blocking TE poster boy.
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Last year we signed Vernon and resigned JPP and folks were saying we wanted Floyd That made no sense even if he had a position in a 4-3 which he didn't.
This year we sign Ellison and have Adams returning and I just don't think the Giants see TE as the kind of priority they would spend a #1 (or even a #2 or #3) on. Just for a start I think DT and OL are much higher priority positions than TE. If you're drafting a TE #1 you're not drafting something else.
The way I see it, Bill, is that the game is evolving in such a way that it's more about match-ups than it is about traditional roles, and as I said, Engram is a match-up nightmare for opposing defenses due to his speed and athleticism. He can get open very quickly and he catches just about everything thrown his way (10-inch hands!). I salivate when I think about what he can do in terms of YAC.
He may be a matchup nightmare but at 6'3" 237 he's also not a TE in the regular sense of the term, He's an H-Back type and that's not a position that McAdoo has used in the 3 years his offense has been here.
Who has he had? Donnell? Fells? Adrien Robinson? Don't make me laugh.
See my comment above.
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frequency back here, glad to see it
I'm doing very well, health-wise. Just got a glowing review from my Cardiologist on Monday.
They certainly might and it wouldn't surprise me if they did, but if Jerry Reese wants my opinion, well, here it is.
This year we sign Ellison and have Adams returning and I just don't think the Giants see TE as the kind of priority they would spend a #1 (or even a #2 or #3) on. Just for a start I think DT and OL are much higher priority positions than TE. If you're drafting a TE #1 you're not drafting something else.
Agreed 100%
Rhett Ellison is no threat in the passing game, not a deep threat anyway. He's Bear Pascoe 2.0. Maybe a bit more athletic than Pascoe, but not by much. He'll be in there to block, to pave the way for our RBs and help out the OTs.
Jerrell Adams may turn into something serviceable, or he may not. I'm not passing up Engram because Jerrell Adams is on the team.
Will Tye? Don't even mention Tye and YAC in the same sentence.
When Reese drafted Travis Beckhum in 2009, he had the right idea but the wrong player. Engram runs faster and jumps higher than Eric Ebron or Jared Cook. He scored as many TDs as a Senior as Ebron did in three years at UNC. As I said, he's a weapon, and one that I'd love to see the Giants aim straight at the hearts of opposing defenses.
Would you be as shocked if the first two picks were a WR and a LB (as they were in 2009}? I wouldn't. But to me, Engram could make just as much of an immediate impact as any WR, given his size, speed, and athleticism.
As for Bowser, he's roughly the same size as Clint Sintim (albeit a little lighter), but he's ten times the athlete. He can rush the passer as well as cover TEs over the middle. He's a true three-down LB, the likes of which the Giants haven't had since Christ was a Corporal.
+1
It's very much worth noting that there will likely be some tremendous CB talent on the board with the 2nd and 3rd picks.