Is it possible that the Giants may only extend Pugh OR Richburg? I wouldn't be surprised. Given that an OBJ extension is a given and with the big defensive contracts in addition to a possible JPP extension; I'm wondering if Giants brass want to see how the year goes, and who gets the higher grade out of the 2....and extend that one. They might just not be able to afford both...given the next 3-4 years. Thoughts?
He hasn't played a full schedule since his rookie year.
He hasn't played a full schedule since his rookie year.
could be. But its also hard to extend everybody.
no real rush only that an extension to Pugh gives them a building block on the line to build around; and it frees up money for this year. They also have the leverage right now, as a long term deal put in front of him now, would be tough to turn down, (As I'm sure they would try to get a bargain with him) given that if he has a career threatening injury this year and isn't signed...he may never get a long term deal.
Pugh is a quality guard but has yet to prove he can stay healthy. Nagging injuries have limited his effectiveness at times. Giants probably will extend him because they are in win-now mode with Eli. But look at what a disaster Snee's contract turned out to be and Snee was way better than Pugh. Big contracts to interior lineman are not usually the best way to go, especially when there are injury concerns.
Beckham - $9M after option
JPP - $15M assuming long term extension
Pugh - $10M
Richburg - $8M
Total: $42M
So they could even add Hankins to the mix if they wanted.
2019 might be harder since Beckham's big deal will start then, but they'll have DRC's and BM's money coming off the books by then. They'll also be able to restructure/cut any of last year's additions if they need/want to. And as of now the only must signs are Collins and (hopefully) Flowers.
That's the problem with Reese. He never figures it out. Before long Pugh will leave as an unrestricted free agent. He will become very rich. And he will be named All Pro. Doubt me? Let's wait and see.
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The Giants will have plenty of time to figure it all out.
That's the problem with Reese. He never figures it out. Before long Pugh will leave as an unrestricted free agent. He will become very rich. And he will be named All Pro. Doubt me? Let's wait and see.
Aside from possibly LinJo and Bennett, both cap strapped related, what hasn't Reese figured out that the other respected GMs have?
They may find a guard in the draft to replace him next year, and can groom him this year for that inevitability....
It's quite possible, this OL could still be in flux next year....especially if we are forced to use Flowers at LT, and the improvement is not there....
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The Giants will have plenty of time to figure it all out.
That's the problem with Reese. He never figures it out. Before long Pugh will leave as an unrestricted free agent. He will become very rich. And he will be named All Pro. Doubt me? Let's wait and see.
Aside from possibly LinJo and Bennett, both cap strapped related, what hasn't Reese figured out that the other respected GMs have?
In fairness to Reese, maybe this is more GM Jr. They got burnt with Cruz on an extension and Jr may be reluctant to extend players after that.
It's the concussions that concern me the most with him.
Beckham - $9M after option
JPP - $15M assuming long term extension
Pugh - $10M
Richburg - $8M
Total: $42M
So they could even add Hankins to the mix if they wanted.
2019 might be harder since Beckham's big deal will start then, but they'll have DRC's and BM's money coming off the books by then. They'll also be able to restructure/cut any of last year's additions if they need/want to. And as of now the only must signs are Collins and (hopefully) Flowers.
Odell's future contract is of no concern next year. The Giants will pick up the 5th year option (2018). They don't have to notify him until May. They can also kick the can in 2019 by Franchise tagging him. If he stays healthy and his production continues, then they'll back up the Brinks truck for 2020.
With the recent contracts handed out to interior OL, we have an idea what Pugh will be looking for. I would advocate drafting his replacement. If the rookie is competent and is not a detriment to starting, then cut Pugh after training camp. His 5th year option is guaranteed for injury only if he's on the final 53. You cut him and there is no cap hit.
I see us drafting OT and OG this draft
If you think he's a building block to your o-line, then you look to extend him. His injury history plays into his market value which is reflected in the extension price. If you don't think he's a building block now, then you have already made the decision to move on and you are looking for another guard, and that's the end of any extension talk for good.
What about a player like ODB? You know you want to keep him. Sure he's under contract for one more season and one option year but shouldn't the extension negotiations start now? Isn't this the point where the team has the most leverage and can negotiate a cap-friendly deal?
If you think he's a building block to your o-line, then you look to extend him. His injury history plays into his market value which is reflected in the extension price. If you don't think he's a building block now, then you have already made the decision to move on and you are looking for another guard, and that's the end of any extension talk for good.
What about a player like ODB? You know you want to keep him. Sure he's under contract for one more season and one option year but shouldn't the extension negotiations start now? Isn't this the point where the team has the most leverage and can negotiate a cap-friendly deal?
C'mon, you should have a better grasp of negotiating to know that two parties have to come to the table with an interest towards extending a deal.
Even if the Giants were 100% on extending Pugh last season, why would he do it? His market value would be lower than average because of his durability issues. Salary cap increases drive player salary inflation, combined with a dearth of quality OL play around the league has lead to these guys making ridiculous amounts of money, even at the bottom tier. Why would Pugh want to re-sign last season, when he had $8M on deck and an opportunity to try the FA waters the following year with richer pastures?
Similar for OBJ - aside from the risk of injury, why would these guys want to jump the gun on an extension unless it meant them getting paid at the top tier (and in OBJ's instance, probably the top paid WR in the league)?
Like they had a Hankins. LinJo and JPP prior to his injury?
Reese has been shittybat managing the cap his whole career as a GM. Last year he finally had a shit ton of money and instantly had to spend like a drunken sailor to make up for his shitty draft run of 3 years. The guys Reese does hit on rarely get extended. The one he did extend Beatty was a dude who was another JAG who got top dollar.
Pugh if to be extended should have been done after year 3. He's most likely going to be isnanly over paid as a FA next year if this year is any indication. Shit he's going to get over 8 million this year and he's never sniffed a Pro bowl. Always banged up.
My guess if hey will re-up anyone it's Richberg. Cheaper. They honestly need 3 OL in this draft to prepare for the future. Jerry is a guy who can start if the rest of the line are studs. Otherwise he's around be wise Reese and his staff absolutely suck at drafting OL. Hart will be cheap to keep so let's all sell our first born children he does because there is zero depth. Fowers needs to step up big.
The D was insanly good last year. If the OL wasnt one of the worst they could have made a runat the SB. They. See two OL starters out of his draft more for the future than this year.
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you don't wait for his last season to be a show me. If he has a great year, you either lose him, franchise him or pay a boatload for him to stay.
If you think he's a building block to your o-line, then you look to extend him. His injury history plays into his market value which is reflected in the extension price. If you don't think he's a building block now, then you have already made the decision to move on and you are looking for another guard, and that's the end of any extension talk for good.
What about a player like ODB? You know you want to keep him. Sure he's under contract for one more season and one option year but shouldn't the extension negotiations start now? Isn't this the point where the team has the most leverage and can negotiate a cap-friendly deal?
C'mon, you should have a better grasp of negotiating to know that two parties have to come to the table with an interest towards extending a deal.
Even if the Giants were 100% on extending Pugh last season, why would he do it? His market value would be lower than average because of his durability issues. Salary cap increases drive player salary inflation, combined with a dearth of quality OL play around the league has lead to these guys making ridiculous amounts of money, even at the bottom tier. Why would Pugh want to re-sign last season, when he had $8M on deck and an opportunity to try the FA waters the following year with richer pastures?
Similar for OBJ - aside from the risk of injury, why would these guys want to jump the gun on an extension unless it meant them getting paid at the top tier (and in OBJ's instance, probably the top paid WR in the league)?
In ODB's case, a player you know the team wants to keep, a large bonus check up front instead of waiting two years and a pay raise for the last two years. The team knows they have him locked up and can structure the deal to minimize the cap hit.
According to your theory, Antonio Brown shouldn't have agreed to a 4 year extension with the Steelers and the Steelers were stupid for tearing up his current contract.
As for Pugh? No family for him to worry about uprooting. Young guy working toward his second contract in a sellers market. By re-signing early he's hedging against another injury alone, there was literally 0% concern on his part that the Giants wouldn't pick up his option given their problems on the OL and the market in general.
You can't make a compelling argument for either one of these guys to re-sign on the cheap earlier because there isn't one. One of them is arguably the best or second best WR in the NFL and will be paid commensurately, and the other plays a position that is in great demand right now.
when you combine that with the injuries, you do NOT pay him a fortune. you draft a replacement.
that's the reality in today's NFL. players who are solid tend to get outrageous second contracts. there's only so many such contracts you can afford. Hopefully, with a new group dynamic in the draft department, we can start hitting on solid players so we aren't forced to re-sign a Pugh at high dollars.
Yup, he was a middle of the pack player, he got paid middle of the pack money, and got hurt and didn't see the end of the contract. Absent a crystal ball to predict injuries, hard to avoid something like that.
elled more than oncee.
His second contract in 2013 he signed for 37.5 million. Not an bad number until you realize he got 19 million guaranteed. Which made him uncuttable. It was also one of the largest guarantees for an OL that year. It also paid him like a top tier tackle. I guess I missed all his Pro Bowls. Please remind me how many he had?
He was paid like a top 10 tackle. There wasn't another Tackle on the team or one who was out there in FA. That's the breaks but Saying it's been refuted which is your opinion which you contantly confuse w facts.