Seemingly a good guy and a good giant but he's not a three technique. We had great rush and pressure from the edges however nothing to move the quarterback coming up from the middle last year.
but it isn't fulllproof. It depends on who we replace him with. The other 3 linemen are far more important so if I had to pick one to go it would be Hankins.
Nobody is on the roster that's going to step in and replace him
Hankins is very good but he and Snacks are somewhat redundant. Hankins is better at Snacks' position, but not as good as Snacks. Meanwhile Hankins isn't as good at the 3-technique DT.
No one on the roster is as good as Hankins as a 3-technique, so if it's Bromley, for example, it's probably a downgrade. (Unless the light goes on for Bromley or someone else.) But a better 3-technique would be, well, better.
They'd probably lose a little against the run and gain against the pass.
Hankins is a very good player but I would definitely save cap room over next few years for other positions.
They're obviously not as good as Hankins but I really don't think Bromley or Robert Thomas are so bad. You never saw the defense fall off much when they were in and they actually rushed the passer pretty well it seemed, especially Thomas.
I'd let him walk and draft a DT to add to mix unless of course they can get Hankins back on a one year deal. However, I really think we all overrate him a little, which isn't unlike any other fan base.
If they can't sign JPP, and lose Hankins in the waiting process. I accepted a while back that due to the economics one of the two wasn't going to be on the team next year.
When you chief opponent projects to be the Dallas Cowboys a redundancy to Snacks is a blessing not a curse.
A three technique is vital when you're facing a passing team, much less so when you're facing a run game based on an interior of an Oline that can bully most front fours.
However, he showed in 2014 that he can do it all and I'd expect him to better next year at collapsing the pocket from the inside out.
I wish we'd let JPP go and freed up that 17 million and kept this guy...always it'about the new math where 3x6 > 1x18.
He's a good solid player and would probably require use of another relatively high draft choice to replace him.
It is very difficult to BUILD a team if you keep letting your successful high draft choices to walk as free agents.
They need to find a way to get him re-signed so they can use the draft choice that would be needed to replace him on somebody who can improve another position on the team, like RB, OL, TE, LB, or even DB.
Must be saying to himself what did I do to get no respect? Everyone claims he's not as good as snacks but he's better than what most teams have so why can't I get paid or fair value? The answer could be very simple what he has done is not flashy but it's also a major reason for the team defensive improvement. Some guys will never put up big stats but they will always outplay those players presumed to have exceptional talent. It is what' it is the Giants think JPP is more valuable than Hankins only time will prove who is wrong or right or how much the Giants truly value Hankins.
First off accept the fact that in free agency the team has ZERO control over a player if they are not franchised or transition tagged. In this case Hankins is a free agent. He does NOT have a contract with the Giants and if perfectly free to choose where he wants to go.
Its no different that anyone else here having a regular job where you do not have a contract you are perfectly free to leave your currently place of employ for another if you so choose.
The Giants could offer a good contract and Hankins could still CHOOSE to leave if he so desired.
Fans needs to accept this as a fact. You might live and die with your team. Dont expect every player to do so.
Must be saying to himself what did I do to get no respect? Everyone claims he's not as good as snacks but he's better than what most teams have so why can't I get paid or fair value? The answer could be very simple what he has done is not flashy but it's also a major reason for the team defensive improvement. Some guys will never put up big stats but they will always outplay those players presumed to have exceptional talent. It is what' it is the Giants think JPP is more valuable than Hankins only time will prove who is wrong or right or how much the Giants truly value Hankins.
Is Hankins better than what most teams have.. or is that us as Giants fans placing a high value on a player we like?
RE: RE: Nobody is on the roster that's going to step in and replace him
I'm not in favor of letting him walk. If, say, we signed Zeitler or Whitworth, I'd be fine with letting him go. Something tells me due to OL shortcomings, we're going to need to field the best possible defense we can. That would include Hank.
It might take a committee, but he is easily replaceable by the group already on the roster.
Thomas can handle run downs. If he is a downgrade as an immovable object, it is not by much.
Bromley can handle ambiguous downs. Not as stout against the run, but a better penetration guy.
You don't want Hankins on the field in must passing situations anyway. He may get there eventually, but it is going to take too long. You are better off using one of the more natural DEs inside as part of a specialty rush package.
In addition, there are good DTs to be had after the first round.
RE: RE: RE: Nobody is on the roster that's going to step in and replace him
They don't have a DT in the pipeline that they've given any indication is a long-term answer.
Typically, when the Giants have expected to let one of their DTs walk, they draft the next man up a year before. They didn't this time.
Bromley was supposed to be that guy. Didn't pan out.
Thought Bromley and Thomas played just fine.
I'd rather have him, but it won't hurt that much because they'll likely draft another day 2 DT.
Neither played at the level Hankins did. I think gidie's right when he says it would be a step backwards. Definitely turns DT into a priority in the draft, as I don't think either Bromley or Thomas has justified being on the field for 2/3 of the snaps.
but what choice is there? Someone else needs to step up, we can't pay everyone and certainly can't overpay for a DT that's the weakest of our 4 DLmen. I'd like to keep Hankins but unless his demands drop we need to move on.
is about to happen just like Joseph. This team will not pay their proven DTs and we end up going back to mediocrity or worse against the run again. Bromley is not a starter in this league and was over drafted for that role. Then they will panic and spend much more (Snacks) when we suck on defense again. Same old same old.
is about to happen just like Joseph. This team will not pay their proven DTs and we end up going back to mediocrity or worse against the run again. Bromley is not a starter in this league and was over drafted for that role. Then they will panic and spend much more (Snacks) when we suck on defense again. Same old same old.
How is it a mistake to sign a player when you literally can't afford to meet their demands?
And regarding Joseph, the difference between then and now is that he was our best defensive tackle at the time so his loss was more impactful.
Hankins isn't even our best tackle, and there is more talent on the defensive line which make his loss even easier to handle. I like Hankins and in a perfect world, he would be back here next year.
But he has priced himself outside of what the Giants can afford. Thats not their fault. And with the talent already on the defensive line - it will be much easier to replace his production.
count me in as one who will have an eye on Robert Thomas. He only played 68 snaps last season so there is not much to really base an opinion on from the couch, but his presence seemed mostly positive as both a run stuffer and pass rusher.
Typically, when the Giants have expected to let one of their DTs walk, they draft the next man up a year before. They didn't this time.
No one on the roster is as good as Hankins as a 3-technique, so if it's Bromley, for example, it's probably a downgrade. (Unless the light goes on for Bromley or someone else.) But a better 3-technique would be, well, better.
They'd probably lose a little against the run and gain against the pass.
If he signs elsewhere for 3/18, I'll be pissed.
They're obviously not as good as Hankins but I really don't think Bromley or Robert Thomas are so bad. You never saw the defense fall off much when they were in and they actually rushed the passer pretty well it seemed, especially Thomas.
I'd let him walk and draft a DT to add to mix unless of course they can get Hankins back on a one year deal. However, I really think we all overrate him a little, which isn't unlike any other fan base.
Rather keep him.....His age implies plenty of upside and his eat football should be ahead of him.....But he is not Snacks.
Replacing JPP is far harder.....Thomas or Bromley might be able to replace him.
When you chief opponent projects to be the Dallas Cowboys a redundancy to Snacks is a blessing not a curse.
A three technique is vital when you're facing a passing team, much less so when you're facing a run game based on an interior of an Oline that can bully most front fours.
However, he showed in 2014 that he can do it all and I'd expect him to better next year at collapsing the pocket from the inside out.
I wish we'd let JPP go and freed up that 17 million and kept this guy...always it'about the new math where 3x6 > 1x18.
It is very difficult to BUILD a team if you keep letting your successful high draft choices to walk as free agents.
They need to find a way to get him re-signed so they can use the draft choice that would be needed to replace him on somebody who can improve another position on the team, like RB, OL, TE, LB, or even DB.
Typically, when the Giants have expected to let one of their DTs walk, they draft the next man up a year before. They didn't this time.
Bromley was supposed to be that guy. Didn't pan out.
First off accept the fact that in free agency the team has ZERO control over a player if they are not franchised or transition tagged. In this case Hankins is a free agent. He does NOT have a contract with the Giants and if perfectly free to choose where he wants to go.
Its no different that anyone else here having a regular job where you do not have a contract you are perfectly free to leave your currently place of employ for another if you so choose.
The Giants could offer a good contract and Hankins could still CHOOSE to leave if he so desired.
Fans needs to accept this as a fact. You might live and die with your team. Dont expect every player to do so.
Is Hankins better than what most teams have.. or is that us as Giants fans placing a high value on a player we like?
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They don't have a DT in the pipeline that they've given any indication is a long-term answer.
Typically, when the Giants have expected to let one of their DTs walk, they draft the next man up a year before. They didn't this time.
Bromley was supposed to be that guy. Didn't pan out.
Thought Bromley and Thomas played just fine.
I'd rather have him, but it won't hurt that much because they'll likely draft another day 2 DT.
Otherwise we waste a high pick on his replacement.
We need those picks for Oline Tight End
At some point can people stop overreacting like he's Reggie White 2.0? He didn't even have a great year last year.
Otherwise we waste a high pick on his replacement.
We need those picks for Oline Tight End
With what money ?
He isn't worth that. Bye.
2015 season was lousy before he was hurt. 2016 benefited from those around him.
safe to say other teams are not as impressed with him as BBI is.
Thomas can handle run downs. If he is a downgrade as an immovable object, it is not by much.
Bromley can handle ambiguous downs. Not as stout against the run, but a better penetration guy.
You don't want Hankins on the field in must passing situations anyway. He may get there eventually, but it is going to take too long. You are better off using one of the more natural DEs inside as part of a specialty rush package.
In addition, there are good DTs to be had after the first round.
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They don't have a DT in the pipeline that they've given any indication is a long-term answer.
Typically, when the Giants have expected to let one of their DTs walk, they draft the next man up a year before. They didn't this time.
Bromley was supposed to be that guy. Didn't pan out.
Thought Bromley and Thomas played just fine.
I'd rather have him, but it won't hurt that much because they'll likely draft another day 2 DT.
Neither played at the level Hankins did. I think gidie's right when he says it would be a step backwards. Definitely turns DT into a priority in the draft, as I don't think either Bromley or Thomas has justified being on the field for 2/3 of the snaps.
How is it a mistake to sign a player when you literally can't afford to meet their demands?
And regarding Joseph, the difference between then and now is that he was our best defensive tackle at the time so his loss was more impactful.
Hankins isn't even our best tackle, and there is more talent on the defensive line which make his loss even easier to handle. I like Hankins and in a perfect world, he would be back here next year.
But he has priced himself outside of what the Giants can afford. Thats not their fault. And with the talent already on the defensive line - it will be much easier to replace his production.
Look, I like Hankins. I liked him prior to the 2013 draft and said so, repeatedly, and I like him now. But if he prices himself off the team so be it.
Stop panicking...