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Update on Hankins contract demands from Miami writer

Defenderdawg : 3/15/2017 10:35 pm
"But Hankins, who played very well last season for the New York Giants, sees himself as more than a rotational player. He sees himself as a bona fide NFL starting defensive tackle. (He just might be that, even better than Phillips, actually).

And he wants to get paid like a starting defensive tackle -- which means he wants a multi-year contract and wants to make $8M a year, at minimum.

Thatís what the Hankins camp is telling every team when they call. Thatís what the Hankins camp told the Dolphins when they called way before I ever wrote his name.

(You should feel good about your team because it used to be I could come up with ideas before the team did. Not anymore.)

Even though no other team is jumping to attention to snap Hankins off the free agency market, the Hankins camp is holding firm on the idea he deserves and is going to get a multi-year deal."
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Yea,  
jayg5 : 3/15/2017 10:38 pm : link
No thanks
I can't sit here  
jayg5 : 3/15/2017 10:48 pm : link
And say I'm thrilled about Ellison or Fluker but that 8 million went to them and Brandon Marshall. And I am happy the Giants did that rather than give Hankins 8 mill a year.
This is where the "prove it" contract comes in  
Steve L : 3/15/2017 11:20 pm : link
Show me and I'll show you the money
At this point it certainly sounds like nobody in the league thinks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/15/2017 11:30 pm : link
he's worth that.
If you had told me that before FA started we could retain Hankins  
jcn56 : 3/15/2017 11:36 pm : link
for about $6M a year, I'd have signed right up for that.

Then, FA was starting and he was rumored to want upwards of $10M. Pass.

8M, and I'm in the same boat as the rest of the NFL. Could be worth it, feels a bit expensive, wait and see.

Get that to $6-7 on a well structured contract and he'd be a good re-sign.
10 million a year is Geno Atkins  
giantgiantfan : 3/15/2017 11:56 pm : link
money. Snacks is at 9 million. I'd give him 4 million a year, so maybe the coming together point is 6 million.

Wonder how long he stays available.
Wow. What GM would sign him for a multi-year contract at that price?  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 3/16/2017 2:45 am : link
Maybe if he had produced his 7 sacks again.

Big risk to assume that he can play bigger and assert leadership over a new defensive line.

This calls for a one year contract to get a year's more evidence of how he plays.

And it really shouldn't be one year with the Giants since you want to see him play on a line that is not so stacked.

What's his next move when no one bites. Or does one of those teams with mega-cap room roll the dice?

Hard to see him back with the Giants on either a one year or multi-year contract.
Gil Brandt's take  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 3/16/2017 3:20 am : link
Hankins is a good player, but not really a pass rusher.

That limits him to probably taking two thirds of the snaps, and you can't spend that much on a rotational player.
RE: Gil Brandt's take  
Mike from SI : 3/16/2017 3:34 am : link
In comment 13394697 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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Hankins is a good player, but not really a pass rusher.

That limits him to probably taking two thirds of the snaps, and you can't spend that much on a rotational player.


...unless it's someone like Snacks who is literally the best at what he does in those 2/3 of snaps.
This is good for us.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/16/2017 5:35 am : link
Imo, if a player is in a contract year playing alongside arguably the best DL in football with 3 potential pro-bowlers and arguably the best secondary in the league you have to have more of an impact. He didn't. You see players all the time have great years when surrounded by talent who get paid to switch teams and then underperform. That would be a big concern with Hankins.

Imo, he has 2 options. One, either drastically lower his demands and get that long term deal for security or take a one year deal to increase his value. No team in their right mind will offer him $8 million per year when they already know not one other team is offering that.

The big question is does he want to come back here and play the 3 tech where he didn't have much success or go somewhere else that would be a better positional fit for him such as a 1 tech or possibly even in a 3-4.
RE: 10 million a year is Geno Atkins  
Milton : 3/16/2017 6:55 am : link
In comment 13394671 giantgiantfan said:
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money. Snacks is at 9 million. I'd give him 4 million a year, so maybe the coming together point is 6 million.
I think you've pegged his value correctly: somewhere in the $4M-$6M range for a team in need of big bodied run-stuffing DT. But the thing is: the Giants aren't really one of those teams. Instead the Giants are a team in need of young DT, preferably of the 3-Technique variety, who can give them four years of productivity at a bargain price while his linemates (Harrison, Vernon, and JPP) are making the big bucks.
Don't be so sure the Cowboys  
Simms11 : 3/16/2017 7:20 am : link
don't try to take him as they just lost McClain to the Redskins!
Personally, I wouldn't care of he went to the Cowboys.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/16/2017 7:23 am : link
Let him fuck up their cap even more.
RE: I can't sit here  
Rjanyg : 3/16/2017 7:54 am : link
In comment 13394638 jayg5 said:
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And say I'm thrilled about Ellison or Fluker but that 8 million went to them and Brandon Marshall. And I am happy the Giants did that rather than give Hankins 8 mill a year.


You could also look at this situation as JPP=Hankins, Sheard and maybe Robinson. Fluker, Marshall and Ellison fill needs and are reasonable contracts. JPP taking up $17 mm could essentially net 3 defensive starters.
RE: This is good for us.  
mfsd : 3/16/2017 8:00 am : link
In comment 13394709 robbieballs2003 said:
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Imo, if a player is in a contract year playing alongside arguably the best DL in football with 3 potential pro-bowlers and arguably the best secondary in the league you have to have more of an impact. He didn't. You see players all the time have great years when surrounded by talent who get paid to switch teams and then underperform. That would be a big concern with Hankins.

Imo, he has 2 options. One, either drastically lower his demands and get that long term deal for security or take a one year deal to increase his value. No team in their right mind will offer him $8 million per year when they already know not one other team is offering that.

The big question is does he want to come back here and play the 3 tech where he didn't have much success or go somewhere else that would be a better positional fit for him such as a 1 tech or possibly even in a 3-4.


Good post, sums it up well. I'm with the crowd, I'd like him back, but not for $8 mm/year. And we can't afford that now anyway unless a JPP deal gets done and/or we trigger some restructures
RE: RE: I can't sit here  
Milton : 3/16/2017 8:03 am : link
In comment 13394733 Rjanyg said:
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You could also look at this situation as JPP=Hankins, Sheard and maybe Robinson.
Exactly! And I would take JPP over those three every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I don't think his demands are that exhorbinant  
bigblue12 : 3/16/2017 8:21 am : link
He is 24 years old and has played at a high level in this league. He is not Brandon Williams, but he got $10+per year. I would take him over Nick Fairley who got $7 per year or Bennie Logan who got $8 per year. He is not a $10 million player, but he is definitely a $7-8 million player in my opinion.
RE: I don't think his demands are that exhorbinant  
bigblue12 : 3/16/2017 8:21 am : link
In comment 13394750 bigblue12 said:
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He is 24 years old and has played at a high level in this league. He is not Brandon Williams, but he got $10+per year. I would take him over Nick Fairley who got $7 per year or Bennie Logan who got $8 per year. He is not a $10 million player, but he is definitely a $7-8 million player in my opinion.


or exhorbitant
Or maybe exorbitant even?  
jcn56 : 3/16/2017 8:23 am : link
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adamg : 3/16/2017 8:25 am : link
RE: RE: I can't sit here  
giants#1 : 3/16/2017 8:29 am : link
In comment 13394733 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 13394638 jayg5 said:


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And say I'm thrilled about Ellison or Fluker but that 8 million went to them and Brandon Marshall. And I am happy the Giants did that rather than give Hankins 8 mill a year.



You could also look at this situation as JPP=Hankins, Sheard and maybe Robinson. Fluker, Marshall and Ellison fill needs and are reasonable contracts. JPP taking up $17 mm could essentially net 3 defensive starters.


If those are the 3 D starters that JPP is netting you, I'll take JPP 10 times out of 10. And I'm a big Hankins fan.
Nobody gets 8 mill/per a week into free agency  
Stu11 : 3/16/2017 8:38 am : link
this is one year "show me" deal time. The sooner he realizes this the better.
agree  
mdthedream : 3/16/2017 8:41 am : link
I would take JPP any day over Hankins. We can draft a DT and get a veteran on the cheap. JPP is hard to find in this league.
I love having two big run stuffers in there  
rasbutant : 3/16/2017 8:42 am : link
would really love to have Williams, even at 10mil. I don't care if they only play 2 downs. Those 2 downs set the tone for the whole game. Move a DE inside on 3rd down. Rotate and keep fresh, protection against injury, all those things. Build a wall, then get some guys that can fly to the QB on 3rd and long.

I want Hankins back. 8mil is right where i thought he would be asking and i thought he would be gone in the first couple days. 24 years old and the arrow is pointed up. Plays a position where so many high picks end up a bust.
as we say in the trade, the real market is the bid side, not the offer  
Victor in CT : 3/16/2017 8:43 am : link
So far Hankins has a $0/$8 million bid/ask market. The truth lies somewhere in between.If he doesn't see the light and see the $5-6 million he can reasonably expect he could be left standing when the FA music stops.
I wonder what numbers have actually hit the table  
jcn56 : 3/16/2017 8:55 am : link
Has he been waiting out a $8M offer after seeing something close, or did he open at 10 and nobody has gone over 5/6?

It would appear his agent misplayed this. Considering Simms was on the radio saying that teams were having a hard time contacting his agent the first week, maybe there's some incompetence adding to the drama.
8M  
AcidTest : 3/16/2017 8:58 am : link
is way too much. But if he takes a one year "prove it" deal, it will be with another team. The best way to maximize his value during that deal is as a 1T, not the 3T he'd be playing again by coming back to the Giants. At this point, I'd be very surprised if he returned.
If  
AcidTest : 3/16/2017 8:59 am : link
we could somehow talk him down to $5-$6M, I'd do that, even on a one year deal, and pull the FT from JPP.
RE: If  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2017 9:00 am : link
In comment 13394795 AcidTest said:
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we could somehow talk him down to $5-$6M, I'd do that, even on a one year deal, and pull the FT from JPP.


If we got him down to that price why would we pull the tag on JPP? We'd be able to make the room and keep the DLine in tact.
I'm holding out hope on DT Bromley, 4 Aces DT Owa maybe?  
SGMen : 3/16/2017 9:01 am : link
I'd like to sign DT Hankins but not $8 million. No way you can justify that amount with the big 3 all making big bucks on the DL already.

Sign a veteran DT, maybe a draftee and hope the younger DL's develop maybe?
RE: RE: Gil Brandt's take  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2017 9:15 am : link
In comment 13394700 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 13394697 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:


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Hankins is a good player, but not really a pass rusher.

That limits him to probably taking two thirds of the snaps, and you can't spend that much on a rotational player.



...unless it's someone like Snacks who is literally the best at what he does in those 2/3 of snaps.


Precisely how I feel. The only way a non pass rush DT is worth 8+million is if you're an elite player in other facets. Harrison is, Hankins isn't. He might be at some point perhaps.
If he's asking for $8M per year and no one has given it to him  
Metnut : 3/16/2017 9:37 am : link
after FA has been going on for a week, then he's likely to settle for less. If the Giants can offer him some extra term/guaranteed money and have his cap hit somewhere around $6.5M per year, they would have done well IMO.
RE: I don't think his demands are that exhorbinant  
Mike in Boston : 3/16/2017 9:41 am : link
In comment 13394750 bigblue12 said:
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He is 24 years old and has played at a high level in this league. He is not Brandon Williams, but he got $10+per year. I would take him over Nick Fairley who got $7 per year or Bennie Logan who got $8 per year. He is not a $10 million player, but he is definitely a $7-8 million player in my opinion.



Maybe not but it seems pretty clear that they more than the market will bear at the moment. So one of a few things will happen. Hankins and/or his agent will realize this and take the best offer he has--hopefully the Giants. Or, he waits in the hope that some team will get desperate enough for a DT to raise his value either because of an injury or because a team failed to get the help they were looking for in the draft--hopefully not the Giants. Or he decides to play on a one year deal in the hope of raising his value next year. If he does that, it almost certainly won't be with the Giants; whatever he does in the one year will be a lot more impressive if he is not playing with three linemates who are all significantly better than he is.
ESPN 980 in DC  
DCOrange : 3/16/2017 9:45 am : link
This morning talked about Hankins to Redskins after they cut Ricky Jean Francois.
Let him go.  
BLUATHRT : 3/16/2017 10:15 am : link
Not worth that, at all. There are guys in the draft that can fill the spot better at the 3T.
so offer  
idiotsavant : 3/16/2017 10:29 am : link
yr 1, 5,
yr 2, 9,
yr 3, 4

with a good signing bonus and cash incentives for year 3

that's 6 per

and draft a DT high
RE: This is good for us.  
ColHowPepper : 3/16/2017 11:01 am : link
In comment 13394709 robbieballs2003 said:
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Imo, if a player is in a contract year playing alongside arguably the best DL in football with 3 potential pro-bowlers and arguably the best secondary in the league you have to have more of an impact. He didn't. You see players all the time have great years when surrounded by talent who get paid to switch teams and then underperform. That would be a big concern with Hankins....
robbie, I'm curious re. your "arguably the best DL...and arguably the best secondary commentary. Does that represent your assessments, or are you throwing that in for rhetorical purposes to make your point about the player's/agent's bargaining position, or lack thereof, at $8m per?
RE: I don't think his demands are that exhorbinant  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2017 11:56 am : link
In comment 13394750 bigblue12 said:
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He is 24 years old and has played at a high level in this league. He is not Brandon Williams, but he got $10+per year. I would take him over Nick Fairley who got $7 per year or Bennie Logan who got $8 per year. He is not a $10 million player, but he is definitely a $7-8 million player in my opinion.


Nick fairley has 20.5 career sacks. Pass rushers from the DT spot always earn more as a more rare commodity.

After 4 years of Hankins, we know that isn't the case for him.
3 years. *  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2017 11:58 am : link
Correction.
Sylvester Williams got a three-year deal from the Titans.  
Klaatu : 3/16/2017 12:00 pm : link
The numbers haven't been released yet, but I sure would like to know what they are.
Well...now we know why  
nicky43 : 3/16/2017 1:15 pm : link
he's not getting many calls!
The more he gets the better  
rasbutant : 3/16/2017 2:17 pm : link
comp pick the Giants get if they don't sign him.
hankins saw what snacks got  
msh : 3/17/2017 2:33 pm : link
and thinks he should get the same fact is hankins is about half as good as snacks so should be around 4.5 to 6 mill per tops split the difference 20 mil 4 year deal 5m per over that draft someone in the mid rounds and hope for a comp pick down the line
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