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My post-free agency mock (w/trade down for the fun of it)...

Milton : 3/16/2017 6:47 am
Kansas City trades the 27th and 104th picks for the Giants 23rd pick in order to snag DeShone Kizer.

1 (27): OL CAM ROBINSON. He's been referred to as a polarizing prospect, some like him, some don't. And I'm downright bipolar when it comes to him, because some days I like him, some days I don't. Today I like him. Ironically he's been compared to both Fluker and Flowers by Rob Rang (who feels those two get a bum rap). There are similarities, but I think it's unfair to leave it that. Robinson's 40-time was 5.15 to 5.3+ for both Fluker and Flowers and while there may be some character concerns with Robinson, I think he's a smart guy and relatively mature. That doesn't mean he will make good decisions with his life, but if he makes bad choices, it won't be out of stupidity. My point being that I think he has the smarts to improve his technique and overall play. And can you picture an OL from left to right of: Flowers Pugh Richburg Fluker Robinson? Talk about big and physical! And young, with their best football ahead of them. And Hart, Jerry, and Jones will keep things competitive.

2 (55) DT Montravius Adams. He had a very good week at the Senior Bowl and tested well at the combine. I think he would fit in well next to Harrison. He's got quickness to penetrate and rush the passer without giving up size and strength vs. the run.

3 (87) CB Rasul Douglas. I don't know a lot about him, but he has good size and enough speed to play nickel CB and it was reported that the Giants were showing a lot of interest in him at Senior Bowl practices. Other than that, I thought this was a good round to take a CB and Douglas was the highest rated of those expected to still be available with the 87th pick.

3 (104) LB Alex Anzalone. The Giants use the pick gained from the trade with KC to take an OLB who can both cover and rush the passer. His injury history concerns me, but it's a bonus pick, so it's worth the gamble on talent.

4 (140) TE Jeremy Sprinkle. Even with the addition of Ellison to go with youngsters Tye and Adams, this is too good a crop of TE prospects to go without selecting one at some point and this looked to be the right time and the right guy.

5 (167) RB Joe Williams. Interviews will be key because he quit on the Utah team, so you have to question his love for the game. But you can't question his measureables to play the position and is highlight reel is pretty impressive as well. RB Jamal Williams (no relation!) is another consideration.

6 (207) WR DeMore'ea Stringfellow. Good size and Boylhart loves him.
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His ability to adjust in the air and high point the ball with strong hands while contested is impressive. He reminds me of Bengals A. J. Green because of his ability to go deep and catch the ball along with his ability to move the chains and play against zone or single coverage’s. Damore’ea understands his talent and is football smart when running his routes. He’s a red zone nightmare because of his size and large catch radius.

7 (241) OL Corey Levin. A small school prospect who tested very well at the combine. More competition at OL.

Love love love sprinkle.  
Tuckrule : 3/16/2017 6:56 am : link
Big body character issues but a solid receiver and great blocker
And one last thing...  
Milton : 3/16/2017 7:02 am : link
The Giants hire Norv Turner to be the offensive coordinator and switch to a vertical play-action offense. (j/k)
RE: Love love love sprinkle.  
Milton : 3/16/2017 7:07 am : link
In comment 13394718 Tuckrule said:
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Big body character issues but a solid receiver and great blocker
Here's some good analysis of him....
Jeremy Sprinkle - ( New Window )
Good God  
Big Rick in FL : 3/16/2017 7:20 am : link
That would be terrible. 3 idiots off the field (Robinson/Sprinkle/Stringfellow). A guy whose never played more than 8 games in college. A grand total of 18 in 4 years. A guy who quit on his college football team. Pass
Milton  
Earl the goat : 3/16/2017 7:39 am : link
Ugly x Ugly
RE: Milton  
Milton : 3/16/2017 7:44 am : link
In comment 13394729 Earl the goat said:
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Ugly x Ugly
Equals Beauty!
Would you like it better if it was...  
Milton : 3/16/2017 8:00 am : link
1. Ryan Ramczyk OL
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3. Bucky Hodges WR/H-back
4. Tanoh Kpassagnon DL
5. Wayne Gallman RB
6. Vince Biegel LB/ER
7. Zane Gonzalez PK

Totally unrealistic, but it looks great!
At least this illustrates why most loathe Boylhart  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/16/2017 8:03 am : link
Comparing Stringfellow to AJ Green? C'mon, that's ridiculous. And with Boylhart, it's basically par for the course.
RE: Would you like it better if it was...  
adamg : 3/16/2017 8:06 am : link
In comment 13394735 Milton said:
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1. Ryan Ramczyk OL
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3. Bucky Hodges WR/H-back
4. Tanoh Kpassagnon DL
5. Wayne Gallman RB
6. Vince Biegel LB/ER
7. Zane Gonzalez PK

Totally unrealistic, but it looks great!


wtf is this? What are you doing?
RE: RE: Would you like it better if it was...  
Milton : 3/16/2017 8:09 am : link
In comment 13394739 adamg said:
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1. Ryan Ramczyk OL
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3. Bucky Hodges WR/H-back
4. Tanoh Kpassagnon DL
5. Wayne Gallman RB
6. Vince Biegel LB/ER
7. Zane Gonzalez PK

Totally unrealistic, but it looks great!



wtf is this? What are you doing?
The point is it's easy to make a great looking draft if you're willing to fudge what's realistic. Is it possible that Ramczyk will be available with our 23rd pick. Yeah, I guess, but it's not likely at all. And the rest are equally unrealistic...but remotely possible.
Every year  
Josiah31 : 3/16/2017 8:12 am : link
Someone on BBI wants a TE and every year we don't draft one. We just signed Ellison and paid him a lot of of money. Pretty sure they did that so they don't have to do it (at least early on) in the draft. We have glaring holes at RB, DT, could use another DE, CB, OT. TE is far from a lock.
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adamg : 3/16/2017 8:15 am : link
In comment 13394740 Milton said:
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1. Ryan Ramczyk OL
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3. Bucky Hodges WR/H-back
4. Tanoh Kpassagnon DL
5. Wayne Gallman RB
6. Vince Biegel LB/ER
7. Zane Gonzalez PK

Totally unrealistic, but it looks great!



wtf is this? What are you doing?

The point is it's easy to make a great looking draft if you're willing to fudge what's realistic. Is it possible that Ramczyk will be available with our 23rd pick. Yeah, I guess, but it's not likely at all. And the rest are equally unrealistic...but remotely possible.


Oh. Gotcha. I was like... Gallman in 5?

RE: Every year  
adamg : 3/16/2017 8:15 am : link
In comment 13394742 Josiah31 said:
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Someone on BBI wants a TE and every year we don't draft one. We just signed Ellison and paid him a lot of of money. Pretty sure they did that so they don't have to do it (at least early on) in the draft. We have glaring holes at RB, DT, could use another DE, CB, OT. TE is far from a lock.


We drafted one last year.
RE: At least this illustrates why most loathe Boylhart  
Milton : 3/16/2017 8:18 am : link
In comment 13394738 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Comparing Stringfellow to AJ Green? C'mon, that's ridiculous. And with Boylhart, it's basically par for the course.
Do most loath Boylhart? I think you're projecting your own bias on the rest of BBI. Take a stroll through his archives and instead of focusing on the times he was wrong, pay attention to the times he was right on the nose. Because he's not the only draftnik with a long list of misses. In fact you only have to look at Jerry Reese's or Bill Belichick's track record if you want to see some miserable mistakes. My motto is: you don't judge these guys by how many times they're wrong, you judge them by how many times they are right.

Boylhart was right about Rex Burkhead...
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Rex is the type of player who doesn't look good in practice because he doesn't have the speed to impress you. This will make it tough for him to get on the field in a game, but once he does, you won't get him off the field. Danny Woodhead impressed the Jets so much as a rookie free agent that he made the team, impacted in a few games and still got cut. He was one of the fastest, strongest and hardest working players on the team, but was cut because he wasn't big enough. It had nothing to do with his talent -- it had to do with his size compared to the competition. Rex will have the same problem because of his lack of speed. Wes Welker made the San Diego Chargers as an undrafted rookie free agent and was cut because the Chargers wanted a bigger, faster player. Wes passed through waivers and was signed by the Miami Dolphins. After three productive years as a third receiver and special teams player, the New England Patriots traded a second round pick for him. The Dolphins thought simply that Wes was not big enough or fast enough to impact as a starting receiver. The rest you know. I suspect that this same thing may happen to Rex because of his lack of speed. In practice, coaches will see him struggling to pull away and compare him to other players with more speed. They may struggle to keep him on the team. They will see him in practice get caught behind the line of scrimmage on sweeps and when running between the tackles and will just think that Rex just is not fast enough. All I can tell you is to draft Rex, get him into some games, make sure you use him in the red zone and returning punts and then tell me he is not talented enough to be an impactful NFL player for your team. Use Rex in the slot on third downs and he will catch the ball as well as Wes Welker. Use him to carry the ball in the red zone and he will find away to score a touchdown. I have no idea what round Rex will be drafted in, which is why we use the two board system. Look for Rex in the later rounds of this draft and don't get depressed if he is cut a few times until he finds the right team that fits his talents. When he does, he will put fannies in the seats, sell jerseys and have his own cult following. Trust me, it will happen. Rex is second round talent that will not be drafted until the later rounds in this draft and that, my friends, is how you find value in every round in a draft.
RE: RE: At least this illustrates why most loathe Boylhart  
adamg : 3/16/2017 8:21 am : link
In comment 13394747 Milton said:
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Comparing Stringfellow to AJ Green? C'mon, that's ridiculous. And with Boylhart, it's basically par for the course.

Do most loath Boylhart? I think you're projecting your own bias on the rest of BBI. Take a stroll through his archives and instead of focusing on the times he was wrong, pay attention to the times he was right on the nose. Because he's not the only draftnik with a long list of misses. In fact you only have to look at Jerry Reese's or Bill Belichick's track record if you want to see some miserable mistakes. My motto is: you don't judge these guys by how many times they're wrong, you judge them by how many times they are right.

Boylhart was right about Rex Burkhead...

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Rex is the type of player who doesn't look good in practice because he doesn't have the speed to impress you. This will make it tough for him to get on the field in a game, but once he does, you won't get him off the field. Danny Woodhead impressed the Jets so much as a rookie free agent that he made the team, impacted in a few games and still got cut. He was one of the fastest, strongest and hardest working players on the team, but was cut because he wasn't big enough. It had nothing to do with his talent -- it had to do with his size compared to the competition. Rex will have the same problem because of his lack of speed. Wes Welker made the San Diego Chargers as an undrafted rookie free agent and was cut because the Chargers wanted a bigger, faster player. Wes passed through waivers and was signed by the Miami Dolphins. After three productive years as a third receiver and special teams player, the New England Patriots traded a second round pick for him. The Dolphins thought simply that Wes was not big enough or fast enough to impact as a starting receiver. The rest you know. I suspect that this same thing may happen to Rex because of his lack of speed. In practice, coaches will see him struggling to pull away and compare him to other players with more speed. They may struggle to keep him on the team. They will see him in practice get caught behind the line of scrimmage on sweeps and when running between the tackles and will just think that Rex just is not fast enough. All I can tell you is to draft Rex, get him into some games, make sure you use him in the red zone and returning punts and then tell me he is not talented enough to be an impactful NFL player for your team. Use Rex in the slot on third downs and he will catch the ball as well as Wes Welker. Use him to carry the ball in the red zone and he will find away to score a touchdown. I have no idea what round Rex will be drafted in, which is why we use the two board system. Look for Rex in the later rounds of this draft and don't get depressed if he is cut a few times until he finds the right team that fits his talents. When he does, he will put fannies in the seats, sell jerseys and have his own cult following. Trust me, it will happen. Rex is second round talent that will not be drafted until the later rounds in this draft and that, my friends, is how you find value in every round in a draft.



How was he right about Burkhead? The guy has started one game in 4 years, with less than 1000 career total yards.

Weird example.
How does that prove that Boylhart  
Giantology : 3/16/2017 8:24 am : link
was right about Burkhead?
Er  
Giantology : 3/16/2017 8:24 am : link
what Adam said.
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Milton : 3/16/2017 8:29 am : link
In comment 13394751 adamg said:
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How was he right about Burkhead? The guy has started one game in 4 years, with less than 1000 career total yards.

Weird example.
Did you read what he wrote? He pretty much predicted that he would get drafted in the late rounds (I think he was a 6th round pick) and wallow at the bottom of the roster until he finally got a chance and once he did he would shine. Which is what happened and why the Patriots just gave him a $3.2M one year deal. And given Boylhart's Wes Welker analogy, it's fitting that it was the Patriots who signed him.
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adamg : 3/16/2017 8:32 am : link
In comment 13394762 Milton said:
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How was he right about Burkhead? The guy has started one game in 4 years, with less than 1000 career total yards.

Weird example.

Did you read what he wrote? He pretty much predicted that he would get drafted in the late rounds (I think he was a 6th round pick) and wallow at the bottom of the roster until he finally got a chance and once he did he would shine. Which is what happened and why the Patriots just gave him a $3.2M one year deal. And given Boylhart's Wes Welker analogy, it's fitting that it was the Patriots who signed him.


The guy rushed for 100 yards once and it was on 27 carries. You're out of your mind with this one a little bit, seemingly because you wanted us to target Burkhead and then he went to the Pats.
Boylhart...  
Milton : 3/16/2017 8:40 am : link
Justin Tuck
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Oh man, this kid has got a ton of upside to him! He has this natural strength, long arms and legs and just gets better and better. Don’t be afraid to draft this kid no matter what his numbers are at the combine, because this kid will improve so much in a year or two that other teams will smack themselves in the head and fire their scouts for passing on him. He should be a first day pick, and I believe if he stayed in for a 5th year, he would be a 1st round pick. Mark my words…this kid will be an impact player in the NFL. However, you will have to be patient; it will not happen right away. Remember, don’t be fooled by his combine numbers. They might not be that impressive, but his play on the field will be.

William Beatty
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I might look at William as a LG, but not as a LT. With his athletic talent, that should be a insult to him. I also might look to switch him to the other side of the ball because his choke-hold tackling techniques might be more useful and cause less penalties. Personally, I find it hard to draft players who have the talent to play a position at a high level, but do not work hard enough to accomplish that. But that's just me. I don't look at film of a player and make excuses (because the kid has excellent talent) when he is playing poorly play after play after play. I would not be the type of coach who would give a kid playing time if he made mistake after mistake unless I could see that he is learning from his mistakes. But that's just me -- expecting people to work up to their potential even if they don't like the job. If you don't like playing football, then say so and move on. Don't just stick around for a paycheck. Have some freaking pride. I don't know of any off field character issues about this kid so I would draft him maybe later in the draft. But I feel there has to be something lurking for this kid not to be better than he is right now.
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Milton : 3/16/2017 8:49 am : link
In comment 13394763 adamg said:
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The guy rushed for 100 yards once and it was on 27 carries. You're out of your mind with this one a little bit, seemingly because you wanted us to target Burkhead and then he went to the Pats.
I think it was KWALL2 who first posted about him, which piqued my interest. And then he signed with the Patriots a couple of days later for a decent chunk of change considering as you say "a guy who rushed for 100 yards once and it was on 27 carries." Belichick was impressed just as Boylhart predicted.
p.s.--It was 119 yards on 27 carries with two TD's and another 25 yards receiving (two targets, two catches).
Anything under 5.40 usually works for OTs  
Bob in Newburgh : 3/16/2017 8:52 am : link
Few teams have plays that OTs pull. I mention this because I have a slight, from a distance, preference for Fluker with his lack of pulling speed and tremendous wingspan at RT over RG.

If your first round scenario actually came up, my preference would be to select Lamp, if available, and just stick him in at LG as the starter.

I am not a Bobby Hart as starter fan. I am a Bobby Hart as a valuable roster piece fan. I believe that if Fluker understands what we ask of him, not necessarily a given, that he beats out Hart for RT with ease.
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adamg : 3/16/2017 8:54 am : link
In comment 13394782 Milton said:
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The guy rushed for 100 yards once and it was on 27 carries. You're out of your mind with this one a little bit, seemingly because you wanted us to target Burkhead and then he went to the Pats.

I think it was KWALL2 who first posted about him, which piqued my interest. And then he signed with the Patriots a couple of days later for a decent chunk of change considering as you say "a guy who rushed for 100 yards once and it was on 27 carries." Belichick was impressed just as Boylhart predicted.
p.s.--It was 119 yards on 27 carries with two TD's and another 25 yards receiving (two targets, two catches).


Well, I await this next coming of Marshall Faulk. Thanks for enlightening us all your intellect.
They're goint to trade down and still get Robinson?  
BillT : 3/16/2017 8:54 am : link
That doesn't seem likely but nothing wrong with a bit of fantasy.
RE: Would you like it better if it was...  
Earl the goat : 3/16/2017 8:59 am : link
In comment 13394735 Milton said:
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1. Ryan Ramczyk OL
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3. Bucky Hodges WR/H-back
4. Tanoh Kpassagnon DL
5. Wayne Gallman RB
6. Vince Biegel LB/ER
7. Zane Gonzalez PK

Totally unrealistic, but it looks great!


Milton. I like this better and it's realistic

David Njoku TE
Dan Feeney or Dorian Johnson. OG
Donta Foreman RB
Dashawn Hall DE
Jalen Mytnick CB
Tariq Cohen RB
Steven Taylor. OLB
RE: Anything under 5.40 usually works for OTs  
Milton : 3/16/2017 9:06 am : link
In comment 13394784 Bob in Newburgh said:
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Few teams have plays that OTs pull. I mention this because I have a slight, from a distance, preference for Fluker with his lack of pulling speed and tremendous wingspan at RT over RG.

If your first round scenario actually came up, my preference would be to select Lamp, if available, and just stick him in at LG as the starter.
I have a preference for Fluker at right tackle as well, but it is an indictment that San Diego moved him inside after two years at right tackle. If the Giants were to draft Robinson, I'm not sure how they would place them. Of the three big bodies, he might be the one best suited for left tackle (i.e, Robinson, Pugh, Richburg, Flowers, Fluker).

I'm okay with Lamp. And if they have high hopes for Fluker at right tackle and are willing to draft a guard with their first pick, Feeney could be their target in a trade-down scenario. And unlike Lamp, it wouldn't be a position change for him and the Giants could field an OL of Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Feeney, Fluker.
RE: RE: Would you like it better if it was...  
Milton : 3/16/2017 9:13 am : link
In comment 13394794 Earl the goat said:
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Milton. I like this better and it's realistic

David Njoku TE
Dan Feeney or Dorian Johnson. OG
Donta Foreman RB
Dashawn Hall DE
Jalen Mytnick CB
Tariq Cohen RB
Steven Taylor. OLB
I prefer mine, but who the hell knows. I have mixed feelings about Njoku the same as I have mixed feelings about Cam Robinson. The guy I like best is Christian McCaffrey but I think he goes very early.
The 2nd one is  
Big Rick in FL : 3/16/2017 9:15 am : link
Probably closer to what the Giants will do. Highly unlikely they draft 3 guys with arrest records. 1 guy who quit on his college team and 1 guy who couldn't stay on the field in his 4 year college career.
RE: They're goint to trade down and still get Robinson?  
Milton : 3/16/2017 9:16 am : link
In comment 13394788 BillT said:
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That doesn't seem likely but nothing wrong with a bit of fantasy.
Hard to predict with him, because I think he's a top 20 prospect and yet CBS has him 35th, GBN has him 28th, and THR has him 26th.
My own personal opinion...  
Milton : 3/16/2017 9:19 am : link
...is that Robinson and Ramczyk will both be gone when the Giants are on the clock, but that's not what's being predicted so far by most pundits.
RE: Boylhart...  
jvm52106 : 3/16/2017 9:35 am : link
In comment 13394773 Milton said:
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Justin Tuck

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Oh man, this kid has got a ton of upside to him! He has this natural strength, long arms and legs and just gets better and better. Don’t be afraid to draft this kid no matter what his numbers are at the combine, because this kid will improve so much in a year or two that other teams will smack themselves in the head and fire their scouts for passing on him. He should be a first day pick, and I believe if he stayed in for a 5th year, he would be a 1st round pick. Mark my words…this kid will be an impact player in the NFL. However, you will have to be patient; it will not happen right away. Remember, don’t be fooled by his combine numbers. They might not be that impressive, but his play on the field will be.


William Beatty

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I might look at William as a LG, but not as a LT. With his athletic talent, that should be a insult to him. I also might look to switch him to the other side of the ball because his choke-hold tackling techniques might be more useful and cause less penalties. Personally, I find it hard to draft players who have the talent to play a position at a high level, but do not work hard enough to accomplish that. But that's just me. I don't look at film of a player and make excuses (because the kid has excellent talent) when he is playing poorly play after play after play. I would not be the type of coach who would give a kid playing time if he made mistake after mistake unless I could see that he is learning from his mistakes. But that's just me -- expecting people to work up to their potential even if they don't like the job. If you don't like playing football, then say so and move on. Don't just stick around for a paycheck. Have some freaking pride. I don't know of any off field character issues about this kid so I would draft him maybe later in the draft. But I feel there has to be something lurking for this kid not to be better than he is right now.



That whole piece about Beatty c ould easily be applied to Flowers now. All I keep hearing is his youth and physical talent but that can't be a cover for his poor play and horrible techniques. The same critical comments made about him coming out of college.
re: Montravius Adams  
Milton : 3/16/2017 9:41 am : link
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McShay is also high on Auburn's Montravius Adams, another second- or third-round option.

"He was the most explosive of the defensive linemen at the Senior Bowl. Really good season on tape this past year," McShay said.
RE: RE: Boylhart...  
Milton : 3/16/2017 9:44 am : link
In comment 13394842 jvm52106 said:
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That whole piece about Beatty c ould easily be applied to Flowers now. All I keep hearing is his youth and physical talent but that can't be a cover for his poor play and horrible techniques. The same critical comments made about him coming out of college.


Here's what Boylhart said about Flowers....
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There is something that some players coming out in the draft never get and it is the main reason why players with the physical talent don’t succeed at the NFL level. The NFL is a 24/7, 365 job if you want to be successful. If you’re not working with your teammates and coaches on plays, techniques, timing, etc, then you have to work on your body. You might be able to take a month off after the season, but after that, you better get back to working 24/7 or you will be left behind and your body will not do what your mind thinks it can do. I don’t believe Ereck has that work ethic with what I see in his play on the field. He hasn’t worked on his body and that alone is his biggest problem. His techniques are poor and while he has those quick feet that get him into the correct position to block, he has no technique to follow through and finish. He gets tired and when he gets tired, he gets mad and commits a bunch of penalties. His favorite pass blocking techniques when he gets tired is to take both his hands and clamp down on the outside shoulders of his opponent and hold him so that a pass rush move cannot be used against him. Ladies and gentlemen, that’s called holding at the NFL level. Ereck will be overlooked because of his size and athletic talent, but for me, I don’t think he plays with enough pride to be a left tackle and I’m not sure how much he will play without getting injured for his first contract. Maybe Ereck, with a little help from a cattle prod, will become better than I have suggested but right now, I think there are other offensive linemen who will be better and I would let some other team “coach him up” first!
Since we are operating under the 'just for fun' disclaimer...  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/16/2017 10:51 am : link
...how about this:
1 (27) DE Myles Garrett
2 (55) CB Marshon Lattimore
3 (87) TE O.J. Howard
4 (140) LB Reuben Foster
5 (167) WR Corey Davis
6 (207) RB Dalvin Cook
7 (241) OT Ryan Ramczyk

Implausible? Sure, but based on Jerry Reese's 10-year history as GM, the list above is roughly as likely as a trade-down in the first round. ;o)
seems Reese doesn't read  
ColHowPepper : 3/16/2017 2:46 pm : link
Boylhart
I don't mind trade scenarios  
allstarjim : 3/16/2017 2:48 pm : link
But I don't do them. In the end, trying to predict trades... There's just too many variables, that mocking players to spots to teams is difficult enough. This time of year we all want extra picks. Reese doesn't seem to be motivated enough to go get them.

Unlike others, I think there is a better than even chance Ramczyk gets to 23. The reason is that I believe there is so much defensive talent in this draft, and with Davis, Williams, O.J. Howard, Fournette, Trubisky, and at least one other QB likely to go in the top 20 picks, that it will push any player with a flag down. And Ramczyk has the medical flag. Same with Bolles, with his past. You have two players and both or one of them has a pretty good shot at being available at 23, and I'd be happy with either.
Just to follow up, I think a lot of people  
allstarjim : 3/16/2017 2:55 pm : link
Say, this guy or that guy is a top 20 player, and "no way does he get to 23." But when you start to,acount all the guys that could fall into that category, you end up often times with more than 20 players. There can only be 22 players selected prior to the 23rd pick. There are about 25-28 players that could go in the top 20. We know guys like Myles Garrett and Jamal Adams aren't going to be available. But Ramczyk? If you can't say he's a top 10 lock, (and you can't), then there is a decent enough chance he'll be at 23, because it all depends on how the other teams have these guys ordered, and Ramczyk might not even be the top OT to go in the draft.
RE: Since we are operating under the 'just for fun' disclaimer...  
adamg : 3/16/2017 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13394977 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...how about this:
1 (27) DE Myles Garrett
2 (55) CB Marshon Lattimore
3 (87) TE O.J. Howard
4 (140) LB Reuben Foster
5 (167) WR Corey Davis
6 (207) RB Dalvin Cook
7 (241) OT Ryan Ramczyk

Implausible? Sure, but based on Jerry Reese's 10-year history as GM, the list above is roughly as likely as a trade-down in the first round. ;o)


Garbage. You didn't address DT.
RE: Just to follow up, I think a lot of people  
adamg : 3/16/2017 2:58 pm : link
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Say, this guy or that guy is a top 20 player, and "no way does he get to 23." But when you start to,acount all the guys that could fall into that category, you end up often times with more than 20 players. There can only be 22 players selected prior to the 23rd pick. There are about 25-28 players that could go in the top 20. We know guys like Myles Garrett and Jamal Adams aren't going to be available. But Ramczyk? If you can't say he's a top 10 lock, (and you can't), then there is a decent enough chance he'll be at 23, because it all depends on how the other teams have these guys ordered, and Ramczyk might not even be the top OT to go in the draft.


Exactly. So, we should all be praying to the draft gods that Trubisky, Watson, and Kizer all get drafted early...
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Gatorade Dunk : 3/16/2017 3:56 pm : link
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Comparing Stringfellow to AJ Green? C'mon, that's ridiculous. And with Boylhart, it's basically par for the course.

Do most loath Boylhart? I think you're projecting your own bias on the rest of BBI. Take a stroll through his archives and instead of focusing on the times he was wrong, pay attention to the times he was right on the nose. Because he's not the only draftnik with a long list of misses. In fact you only have to look at Jerry Reese's or Bill Belichick's track record if you want to see some miserable mistakes. My motto is: you don't judge these guys by how many times they're wrong, you judge them by how many times they are right.

It's easy to be right more than others when you give out 50 first round grades like Boylhart does.
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Milton : 3/16/2017 7:39 pm : link
In comment 13395480 Gatorade Dunk said:
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It's easy to be right more than others when you give out 50 first round grades like Boylhart does.
I have my issues with Boylhart and that's one of them. For the most part I don't focus on grades or rankings, but on what is said about the prospect and then I form my own grade/ranking based on that. Different draftniks may prioritize different traits in a prospect.
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Gatorade Dunk : 3/16/2017 9:28 pm : link
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It's easy to be right more than others when you give out 50 first round grades like Boylhart does.

I have my issues with Boylhart and that's one of them. For the most part I don't focus on grades or rankings, but on what is said about the prospect and then I form my own grade/ranking based on that. Different draftniks may prioritize different traits in a prospect.

I just find him incredibly hyperbolic and a bit too optimistic with his player comparisons. I think that makes him wrong to a greater degree than he's right, separate from the frequency of each.
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Torrag : 3/17/2017 1:12 am : link
...sorry just doesn't ring true as a Giants 1st Round selection.

I like the rest of your draft but I'd like to see some insurance at FS. Adams' limited mobility lends itself to backing up Collins at SS moreso than Thompson at free who also has a serious injury to overcome on the field.
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