Kansas City trades the 27th and 104th picks for the Giants 23rd pick in order to snag DeShone Kizer.
1 (27): OL CAM ROBINSON. He's been referred to as a polarizing prospect, some like him, some don't. And I'm downright bipolar when it comes to him, because some days I like him, some days I don't. Today I like him. Ironically he's been compared to both Fluker and Flowers by Rob Rang (who feels those two get a bum rap). There are similarities, but I think it's unfair to leave it that. Robinson's 40-time was 5.15 to 5.3+ for both Fluker and Flowers and while there may be some character concerns with Robinson, I think he's a smart guy and relatively mature. That doesn't mean he will make good decisions with his life, but if he makes bad choices, it won't be out of stupidity. My point being that I think he has the smarts to improve his technique and overall play. And can you picture an OL from left to right of: Flowers Pugh Richburg Fluker Robinson? Talk about big and physical! And young, with their best football ahead of them. And Hart, Jerry, and Jones will keep things competitive.
2 (55) DT Montravius Adams. He had a very good week at the Senior Bowl and tested well at the combine. I think he would fit in well next to Harrison. He's got quickness to penetrate and rush the passer without giving up size and strength vs. the run.
3 (87) CB Rasul Douglas. I don't know a lot about him, but he has good size and enough speed to play nickel CB and it was reported that the Giants were showing a lot of interest in him at Senior Bowl practices. Other than that, I thought this was a good round to take a CB and Douglas was the highest rated of those expected to still be available with the 87th pick.
3 (104) LB Alex Anzalone. The Giants use the pick gained from the trade with KC to take an OLB who can both cover and rush the passer. His injury history concerns me, but it's a bonus pick, so it's worth the gamble on talent.
4 (140) TE Jeremy Sprinkle. Even with the addition of Ellison to go with youngsters Tye and Adams, this is too good a crop of TE prospects to go without selecting one at some point and this looked to be the right time and the right guy.
5 (167) RB Joe Williams. Interviews will be key because he quit on the Utah team, so you have to question his love for the game. But you can't question his measureables to play the position and is highlight reel is pretty impressive as well. RB Jamal Williams (no relation!) is another consideration.
6 (207) WR DeMore'ea Stringfellow. Good size and Boylhart loves him.
| His ability to adjust in the air and high point the ball with strong hands while contested is impressive. He reminds me of Bengals A. J. Green because of his ability to go deep and catch the ball along with his ability to move the chains and play against zone or single coverage’s. Damore’ea understands his talent and is football smart when running his routes. He’s a red zone nightmare because of his size and large catch radius. |
7 (241) OL Corey Levin. A small school prospect who tested very well at the combine. More competition at OL.
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2. Quincy Wilson CB
3. Bucky Hodges WR/H-back
4. Tanoh Kpassagnon DL
5. Wayne Gallman RB
6. Vince Biegel LB/ER
7. Zane Gonzalez PK
Totally unrealistic, but it looks great!
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3. Bucky Hodges WR/H-back
4. Tanoh Kpassagnon DL
5. Wayne Gallman RB
6. Vince Biegel LB/ER
7. Zane Gonzalez PK
Totally unrealistic, but it looks great!
wtf is this? What are you doing?
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1. Ryan Ramczyk OL
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3. Bucky Hodges WR/H-back
4. Tanoh Kpassagnon DL
5. Wayne Gallman RB
6. Vince Biegel LB/ER
7. Zane Gonzalez PK
Totally unrealistic, but it looks great!
wtf is this? What are you doing?
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In comment 13394735 Milton said:
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1. Ryan Ramczyk OL
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3. Bucky Hodges WR/H-back
4. Tanoh Kpassagnon DL
5. Wayne Gallman RB
6. Vince Biegel LB/ER
7. Zane Gonzalez PK
Totally unrealistic, but it looks great!
wtf is this? What are you doing?
The point is it's easy to make a great looking draft if you're willing to fudge what's realistic. Is it possible that Ramczyk will be available with our 23rd pick. Yeah, I guess, but it's not likely at all. And the rest are equally unrealistic...but remotely possible.
Oh. Gotcha. I was like... Gallman in 5?
We drafted one last year.
Boylhart was right about Rex Burkhead...
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Comparing Stringfellow to AJ Green? C'mon, that's ridiculous. And with Boylhart, it's basically par for the course.
Do most loath Boylhart? I think you're projecting your own bias on the rest of BBI. Take a stroll through his archives and instead of focusing on the times he was wrong, pay attention to the times he was right on the nose. Because he's not the only draftnik with a long list of misses. In fact you only have to look at Jerry Reese's or Bill Belichick's track record if you want to see some miserable mistakes. My motto is: you don't judge these guys by how many times they're wrong, you judge them by how many times they are right.
Boylhart was right about Rex Burkhead...
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Rex is the type of player who doesn't look good in practice because he doesn't have the speed to impress you. This will make it tough for him to get on the field in a game, but once he does, you won't get him off the field. Danny Woodhead impressed the Jets so much as a rookie free agent that he made the team, impacted in a few games and still got cut. He was one of the fastest, strongest and hardest working players on the team, but was cut because he wasn't big enough. It had nothing to do with his talent -- it had to do with his size compared to the competition. Rex will have the same problem because of his lack of speed. Wes Welker made the San Diego Chargers as an undrafted rookie free agent and was cut because the Chargers wanted a bigger, faster player. Wes passed through waivers and was signed by the Miami Dolphins. After three productive years as a third receiver and special teams player, the New England Patriots traded a second round pick for him. The Dolphins thought simply that Wes was not big enough or fast enough to impact as a starting receiver. The rest you know. I suspect that this same thing may happen to Rex because of his lack of speed. In practice, coaches will see him struggling to pull away and compare him to other players with more speed. They may struggle to keep him on the team. They will see him in practice get caught behind the line of scrimmage on sweeps and when running between the tackles and will just think that Rex just is not fast enough. All I can tell you is to draft Rex, get him into some games, make sure you use him in the red zone and returning punts and then tell me he is not talented enough to be an impactful NFL player for your team. Use Rex in the slot on third downs and he will catch the ball as well as Wes Welker. Use him to carry the ball in the red zone and he will find away to score a touchdown. I have no idea what round Rex will be drafted in, which is why we use the two board system. Look for Rex in the later rounds of this draft and don't get depressed if he is cut a few times until he finds the right team that fits his talents. When he does, he will put fannies in the seats, sell jerseys and have his own cult following. Trust me, it will happen. Rex is second round talent that will not be drafted until the later rounds in this draft and that, my friends, is how you find value in every round in a draft.
How was he right about Burkhead? The guy has started one game in 4 years, with less than 1000 career total yards.
Weird example.
How was he right about Burkhead? The guy has started one game in 4 years, with less than 1000 career total yards.
Weird example.
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How was he right about Burkhead? The guy has started one game in 4 years, with less than 1000 career total yards.
Weird example.
Did you read what he wrote? He pretty much predicted that he would get drafted in the late rounds (I think he was a 6th round pick) and wallow at the bottom of the roster until he finally got a chance and once he did he would shine. Which is what happened and why the Patriots just gave him a $3.2M one year deal. And given Boylhart's Wes Welker analogy, it's fitting that it was the Patriots who signed him.
The guy rushed for 100 yards once and it was on 27 carries. You're out of your mind with this one a little bit, seemingly because you wanted us to target Burkhead and then he went to the Pats.
William Beatty
The guy rushed for 100 yards once and it was on 27 carries. You're out of your mind with this one a little bit, seemingly because you wanted us to target Burkhead and then he went to the Pats.
p.s.--It was 119 yards on 27 carries with two TD's and another 25 yards receiving (two targets, two catches).
If your first round scenario actually came up, my preference would be to select Lamp, if available, and just stick him in at LG as the starter.
I am not a Bobby Hart as starter fan. I am a Bobby Hart as a valuable roster piece fan. I believe that if Fluker understands what we ask of him, not necessarily a given, that he beats out Hart for RT with ease.
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The guy rushed for 100 yards once and it was on 27 carries. You're out of your mind with this one a little bit, seemingly because you wanted us to target Burkhead and then he went to the Pats.
I think it was KWALL2 who first posted about him, which piqued my interest. And then he signed with the Patriots a couple of days later for a decent chunk of change considering as you say "a guy who rushed for 100 yards once and it was on 27 carries." Belichick was impressed just as Boylhart predicted.
p.s.--It was 119 yards on 27 carries with two TD's and another 25 yards receiving (two targets, two catches).
Well, I await this next coming of Marshall Faulk. Thanks for enlightening us all your intellect.
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3. Bucky Hodges WR/H-back
4. Tanoh Kpassagnon DL
5. Wayne Gallman RB
6. Vince Biegel LB/ER
7. Zane Gonzalez PK
Totally unrealistic, but it looks great!
Milton. I like this better and it's realistic
David Njoku TE
Dan Feeney or Dorian Johnson. OG
Donta Foreman RB
Dashawn Hall DE
Jalen Mytnick CB
Tariq Cohen RB
Steven Taylor. OLB
If your first round scenario actually came up, my preference would be to select Lamp, if available, and just stick him in at LG as the starter.
I'm okay with Lamp. And if they have high hopes for Fluker at right tackle and are willing to draft a guard with their first pick, Feeney could be their target in a trade-down scenario. And unlike Lamp, it wouldn't be a position change for him and the Giants could field an OL of Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Feeney, Fluker.
Milton. I like this better and it's realistic
David Njoku TE
Dan Feeney or Dorian Johnson. OG
Donta Foreman RB
Dashawn Hall DE
Jalen Mytnick CB
Tariq Cohen RB
Steven Taylor. OLB
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Oh man, this kid has got a ton of upside to him! He has this natural strength, long arms and legs and just gets better and better. Don’t be afraid to draft this kid no matter what his numbers are at the combine, because this kid will improve so much in a year or two that other teams will smack themselves in the head and fire their scouts for passing on him. He should be a first day pick, and I believe if he stayed in for a 5th year, he would be a 1st round pick. Mark my words…this kid will be an impact player in the NFL. However, you will have to be patient; it will not happen right away. Remember, don’t be fooled by his combine numbers. They might not be that impressive, but his play on the field will be.
William Beatty
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I might look at William as a LG, but not as a LT. With his athletic talent, that should be a insult to him. I also might look to switch him to the other side of the ball because his choke-hold tackling techniques might be more useful and cause less penalties. Personally, I find it hard to draft players who have the talent to play a position at a high level, but do not work hard enough to accomplish that. But that's just me. I don't look at film of a player and make excuses (because the kid has excellent talent) when he is playing poorly play after play after play. I would not be the type of coach who would give a kid playing time if he made mistake after mistake unless I could see that he is learning from his mistakes. But that's just me -- expecting people to work up to their potential even if they don't like the job. If you don't like playing football, then say so and move on. Don't just stick around for a paycheck. Have some freaking pride. I don't know of any off field character issues about this kid so I would draft him maybe later in the draft. But I feel there has to be something lurking for this kid not to be better than he is right now.
That whole piece about Beatty c ould easily be applied to Flowers now. All I keep hearing is his youth and physical talent but that can't be a cover for his poor play and horrible techniques. The same critical comments made about him coming out of college.
"He was the most explosive of the defensive linemen at the Senior Bowl. Really good season on tape this past year," McShay said.
Here's what Boylhart said about Flowers....
1 (27) DE Myles Garrett
2 (55) CB Marshon Lattimore
3 (87) TE O.J. Howard
4 (140) LB Reuben Foster
5 (167) WR Corey Davis
6 (207) RB Dalvin Cook
7 (241) OT Ryan Ramczyk
Implausible? Sure, but based on Jerry Reese's 10-year history as GM, the list above is roughly as likely as a trade-down in the first round. ;o)
Unlike others, I think there is a better than even chance Ramczyk gets to 23. The reason is that I believe there is so much defensive talent in this draft, and with Davis, Williams, O.J. Howard, Fournette, Trubisky, and at least one other QB likely to go in the top 20 picks, that it will push any player with a flag down. And Ramczyk has the medical flag. Same with Bolles, with his past. You have two players and both or one of them has a pretty good shot at being available at 23, and I'd be happy with either.
1 (27) DE Myles Garrett
2 (55) CB Marshon Lattimore
3 (87) TE O.J. Howard
4 (140) LB Reuben Foster
5 (167) WR Corey Davis
6 (207) RB Dalvin Cook
7 (241) OT Ryan Ramczyk
Implausible? Sure, but based on Jerry Reese's 10-year history as GM, the list above is roughly as likely as a trade-down in the first round. ;o)
Garbage. You didn't address DT.
Exactly. So, we should all be praying to the draft gods that Trubisky, Watson, and Kizer all get drafted early...
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Comparing Stringfellow to AJ Green? C'mon, that's ridiculous. And with Boylhart, it's basically par for the course.
Do most loath Boylhart? I think you're projecting your own bias on the rest of BBI. Take a stroll through his archives and instead of focusing on the times he was wrong, pay attention to the times he was right on the nose. Because he's not the only draftnik with a long list of misses. In fact you only have to look at Jerry Reese's or Bill Belichick's track record if you want to see some miserable mistakes. My motto is: you don't judge these guys by how many times they're wrong, you judge them by how many times they are right.
It's easy to be right more than others when you give out 50 first round grades like Boylhart does.
It's easy to be right more than others when you give out 50 first round grades like Boylhart does.
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It's easy to be right more than others when you give out 50 first round grades like Boylhart does.
I have my issues with Boylhart and that's one of them. For the most part I don't focus on grades or rankings, but on what is said about the prospect and then I form my own grade/ranking based on that. Different draftniks may prioritize different traits in a prospect.
I just find him incredibly hyperbolic and a bit too optimistic with his player comparisons. I think that makes him wrong to a greater degree than he's right, separate from the frequency of each.
I like the rest of your draft but I'd like to see some insurance at FS. Adams' limited mobility lends itself to backing up Collins at SS moreso than Thompson at free who also has a serious injury to overcome on the field.