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D.J. Fluker Contract Details

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/16/2017 9:10 am
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D.J. Fluker has a base salary of $1.5M and there is another $1.5M available in incentives and/or bonuses. #Giants
good deal  
giants#1 : 3/16/2017 9:14 am : link
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wow, even better  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2017 9:14 am : link
any idea what the incentives are?
Based on the contract  
pjcas18 : 3/16/2017 9:28 am : link
it seems like Fluker will backup Jerry if you can ascertain the depth chart from $$$.

For a backup veteran guard, who sucks or not, that's a good contract, especially one who was better at guard than tackle and had one been well regarded enough to be a high 1st round pick.

Nothing to complain about with this signing and if he never sees the field it was money well spent.
Another $1.5M in incentives and/or bonuses...  
Milton : 3/16/2017 9:29 am : link
...could mean a lot of different things from the $1.5M being practically guaranteed to it being all based on starts and none of it even remotely guaranteed. Or somewhere in between.

It's not like he gets $1.5M in salary and another $1.5 as a bonus if he makes the Pro Bowl.
Fluker is definitely worth that contract  
Heisenberg : 3/16/2017 9:33 am : link
And could outperform that deal easily if his bet on himself works out.
Beware The Dupes of March  
jcn56 : 3/16/2017 9:34 am : link
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What was coffee bro's last handle?  
arcarsenal : 3/16/2017 9:41 am : link
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I'm also pretty sure  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2017 9:58 am : link
the Giants had more cap room heading into FA than the Chargers did. Just like the Giants, you can't keep everyone.
This is a young O-LINE  
larryflower37 : 3/16/2017 10:00 am : link
That puts it all together this year.

Flowers 23
Pugh 27
Richburg 26
Fulker 26
Hart 23

No one over 27 and a lot of high draft choices.
I have faith this coaching staff can pull them together

haha  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2017 10:01 am : link
yes, this game is usually decided by inches and 1 or 2 plays per game. Its always been that way.

6-10 is bullshit though, not with our defense. I'll concede a couple of games and make it 9-7 but where on earth do you get 6-10 from?
Fluker  
Hilary : 3/16/2017 10:08 am : link
For what it is worth I watched film of Fluker with a friend who was the starting center on the East Carolina team that included Linval Joseph and Dwayne Harris.He says his foot work and technique are very good.I think the giants draft a guard in the first two rounds and Fluker is the starting right tackle.I think he will play well.
the reason I clicked on this thread  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2017 10:15 am : link
was the learn about the incentives, anyone know what they are?
There's no questioning the guy has talent...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/16/2017 10:17 am : link
Reese's job is to deliver the talent to the coaches. Considering the players that were available and the budget we had to work with, getting this guy at $1.5MM is a smart move.

The pressure is on Solari. He's got #11 and #9 overall picks for bookend tackles to work with. These are not scrubs who have no ability. They need to be developed.

Let's see what he can do.
Et tu  
Sec 103 : 3/16/2017 10:18 am : link
hombre café?
RE: There's no questioning the guy has talent...  
larryflower37 : 3/16/2017 10:22 am : link
In comment 13394917 Dan in the Springs said:
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Reese's job is to deliver the talent to the coaches. Considering the players that were available and the budget we had to work with, getting this guy at $1.5MM is a smart move.

The pressure is on Solari. He's got #11 and #9 overall picks for bookend tackles to work with. These are not scrubs who have no ability. They need to be developed.

Let's see what he can do.


3 number 1's and a 2nd rounder.
The forecasted talent is there. Let's hope it all comes together
RE: RE: I'm also pretty sure  
Milton : 3/16/2017 10:23 am : link
In comment 13394891 the coffee man said:
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Chargers are 18 mill under cap and 40 mil under next year.
According to spotrac, the Chargers are currently $12M under the cap and only $4.5M if you include the rookie pool. And the $40M for next year only includes 34 players.
slow day on BBI  
Brown Recluse : 3/16/2017 10:24 am : link
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RE: RE: There's no questioning the guy has talent...  
PatersonPlank : 3/16/2017 10:25 am : link
In comment 13394923 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 13394917 Dan in the Springs said:


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Reese's job is to deliver the talent to the coaches. Considering the players that were available and the budget we had to work with, getting this guy at $1.5MM is a smart move.

The pressure is on Solari. He's got #11 and #9 overall picks for bookend tackles to work with. These are not scrubs who have no ability. They need to be developed.

Let's see what he can do.



3 number 1's and a 2nd rounder.
The forecasted talent is there. Let's hope it all comes together


And if we draft another RG/RT at #23 that will make it 4 #1 picks and 1 #2 pick. Surely we can do something with that.
if we got an LT last year  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2017 11:01 am : link
we likely wouldn't have signed one of Vernon or Jenkins, so pick your poison.

They drafted Flowers at 20. Quitting on him before he's even done growing is foolish. If we had a better LT on the roster he'd be playing right now, not sure what else there is to say.
RE: if we got an LT last year  
PatersonPlank : 3/16/2017 11:05 am : link
In comment 13394989 UConn4523 said:
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we likely wouldn't have signed one of Vernon or Jenkins, so pick your poison.

They drafted Flowers at 20. Quitting on him before he's even done growing is foolish. If we had a better LT on the roster he'd be playing right now, not sure what else there is to say.


+1, this is correct. In fact its a conservative estimate. Its likely we couldn't have afforded two of the defensive players we signed to rehaul the D. I think Reese did the right thing, our D was a lot worse than our offensive line.
why play him at RT  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2017 11:13 am : link
if he's the best LT we have? I honestly have no idea where people get this from that we definitively have a better LT on the roster and if we do, are they so much better that its worth declining at another position (Pugh).

Running the ball will provide better protection for Eli by a default. That's where Fluker will hopefully excel. We run the ball better (no more Jennings, more Perkins) that opens up play action, and that keep defenses more honest. Lots of variables effect the OLine and running better cures a lot of ailments.
It's rare  
Cenotaph : 3/16/2017 11:17 am : link
a lurker signs up and starts spouting strong opinions, arguing with posters, creating logical fallacy arguments we always see on BBI like "Look, I think it's a good depth signing, just don't see why people are praising it so much"...even tho the majority have said this is a solid depth signing but by no means a one-shot fix for the OL. Odds are those people posted here under a different tag before, and there's probably a reason they retired that one or created a dupe.

Pretty much everyone on BBI is concerned about the OL. No one thinks this year's FA moves solved the OT issues. But that doesn't mean Fluker on a cheap, one-year deal is bad. We need competition, our depth hasn't been good enough to push the starters for too long, hence why we're locked into sub-par starters. This is a good signing, regardless of how many people want to argue semantics.

RE: RE: if we got an LT last year  
Jay on the Island : 3/16/2017 11:17 am : link
In comment 13395002 the coffee man said:
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Whose quitting on him? Stick to the plan. He is 22 or whatever, let him play RT and move over in a few years, like they planned before Beatty.

I think they could have signed all the d guys anyway.

If not, Osemele, and say resigning Prince instead of Jenkins, makes the Giants a better overall team.

Brilliant argument to make. "I think they could have signed all the d guys anyway." That is completely wrong. Just as signing Prince and Osemele over Jenkins makes them a better team. Jenkins play was substantially better than Prince's and Prince once again proved that he could not stay healthy.
Didn't the Giants win 11 games last year?  
AnnapolisMike : 3/16/2017 11:21 am : link
Beat the Cowboys twice?

All with a shit OL. Basically the same OL that helped the Giants have a very good offense the year prior.

The Giants line does not need to be great. Just better.
RE: Didn't the Giants win 11 games last year?  
adamg : 3/16/2017 11:23 am : link
In comment 13395023 AnnapolisMike said:
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Beat the Cowboys twice?

All with a shit OL. Basically the same OL that helped the Giants have a very good offense the year prior.

The Giants line does not need to be great. Just better.


Thank you. That's exactly what I have in mind as well. It's the apocalypse every day here now with the OL people...
Milton mentioned  
area junc : 3/16/2017 11:31 am : link
the key above - what are the incentives? They want him to keep his weight down, for all we know that has something to do with it
It actually wasn't the worst line in football, believe it or not  
jcn56 : 3/16/2017 11:34 am : link
And beyond that - it's been mentioned that there were several other issues plaguing the OL, like the fact that they were getting next to no production from Cruz, they were missing a blocking TE/FB, guys were hurt for stretches during the season.

So the addition of Marshall, Ellison and a return to health by both Richburg and Pugh will certainly help matters.
Here's the thing  
AnnapolisMike : 3/16/2017 11:37 am : link
The Giants are doing the right thing by keeping the D together. Barring injuries the defense should be very good again. They have upgraded the receiving core with Marshall and Ellison should help blocking along the line.

I am inclined to think there is upside with Flowers, Fluker, Pugh, Richburg and Hart. It's not like they are a group of old guys in the process of hitting a wall like the 2012 group. Jerry is serviceable and they will add guys via the draft.

RE: What did  
djstat : 3/16/2017 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13394810 the coffee man said:
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Newhouse get again?

This is about the right price for a sub-par castaway. IMO, he's a downgrade from Newhouse.
I think he and newhouse are similar. Keep in mind San Diego was awful.
The Giants O-Line ranked 20th  
mavric : 3/16/2017 12:14 pm : link
out of 32 teams, or in other words, better than 12 other teams - or a little below average for the NFL.

Tennessee Titans were no.1 in the NFL; followed by the Cowboys, Steelers, the Raiders, etc. The Seattle Seahawks had the worse line in the NFL.

New England won the Super Bowl with the 10th best line in the NFL. Cowboys, Steelers, and Raiders, did not....and the Giants beat the Cowboys twice.

What's to learn about all this?

1) The Giants are in the middle of the pack with offensive line effectiveness

2) The 18th most effective offensive line won the Super Bowl

3) The Giants' linemen are very young and their best years are ahead of them (barring serious injury of course)

4) The Vaulted Cowboy line lost LG Ron Leary to free agency (Denver) and RT Doug Free announced his retirement. Also, La’el Collins struggled like crazy this past season at the guard position. They still have Travis Frederick and Zack Martin, but guess what? They need players too. They signed disappointing G Jonathan Cooper to a one-year "prove it" deal after he was traded to the Patriots and then cut by the Patriots.
Ranking Offensive Lines for the 2016 season - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Here's the thing  
AnnapolisMike : 3/16/2017 12:15 pm : link
In comment 13395068 the coffee man said:
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You are inclined tho think their is upside with every one of the five linemen from one of the worst lines in football last year. Pure homerism. I am sorry.

JCN, agree about the TE and FB and Cruz spots. But that might lead to teams blitzing more instead of sitting back in cover 2 and still getting pressure.

The Giants need more o line its so obvious. To say they dont is merely to argue offensive line doesn't matter.


I am a homer.....and that is the group the Giants have to work with. The draft will add some depth or a starter if we are lucky.

Flowers is 23, Fluker 26, Hart 23, Pugh 27, Richburg 26. Five young guys in the early stages or primes of their careers. Each has the potential just based on age alone to improve. I think it is entirely reasonable to expect a group in their mid 20's to get better. Throw in a FB or TE that can actually block for good measure and you have the recipe for something better than what we saw last season.

You think the line sucks...fine. But if you don't see the potential of them sucking less...then you are blind. Again....same defense....slightly better offense and the Giants will be in the mix to play late into January.







I think that's the biggest sticking point for most - they just figure  
jcn56 : 3/16/2017 12:19 pm : link
that there's absolutely no way that the line will improve.

For starters, two guys on that line underperformed due to injury. Unless you believe those injuries will linger, there's no reason to expect them to perform as bad, and certainly not worse.

They're both in a contract year - so there's extra incentive.

Hart saw his first duty as a starter last year, with mixed results. He's a young guy - probabilistically speaking, he's much more likely to improve than regress.

Even if you get more of the same from John Jerry and Flowers, there's enough there to believe the line will improve. Now, factor in better RBs (Perkins produced more than Jennings, and is also likely to be better with a full season under his belt), and Marshall adding another dimension to the passing game, and the line won't have to pass block as long.

When you add up all the individual factors, everything points to an improved performance by the OL in 2017, even with the same personnel.
RE: The Giants O-Line ranked 20th  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2017 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13395118 mavric said:
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out of 32 teams, or in other words, better than 12 other teams - or a little below average for the NFL.

Tennessee Titans were no.1 in the NFL; followed by the Cowboys, Steelers, the Raiders, etc. The Seattle Seahawks had the worse line in the NFL.

New England won the Super Bowl with the 10th best line in the NFL. Cowboys, Steelers, and Raiders, did not....and the Giants beat the Cowboys twice.

What's to learn about all this?

1) The Giants are in the middle of the pack with offensive line effectiveness

2) The 18th most effective offensive line won the Super Bowl

3) The Giants' linemen are very young and their best years are ahead of them (barring serious injury of course)

4) The Vaulted Cowboy line lost LG Ron Leary to free agency (Denver) and RT Doug Free announced his retirement. Also, La’el Collins struggled like crazy this past season at the guard position. They still have Travis Frederick and Zack Martin, but guess what? They need players too. They signed disappointing G Jonathan Cooper to a one-year "prove it" deal after he was traded to the Patriots and then cut by the Patriots. Ranking Offensive Lines for the 2016 season - ( New Window )


Great post.
RE: Fluker  
Rjanyg : 3/16/2017 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13394902 Hilary said:
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For what it is worth I watched film of Fluker with a friend who was the starting center on the East Carolina team that included Linval Joseph and Dwayne Harris.He says his foot work and technique are very good.I think the giants draft a guard in the first two rounds and Fluker is the starting right tackle.I think he will play well.


100% agree
If they didn't regret it they'd have taken the option  
jcn56 : 3/16/2017 2:09 pm : link
That would have paid him $20M over 4 years, he ended up making more with SD.

Okung was one of the most penalized tackles in the league. If he's better than Flowers, it's not by much - and Flowers makes peanuts comparatively.

Everyone can hold their breath and scream 'WHY DIDNT WE UPGRADE LT!' all they want, there simply wasn't much out there. Whitworth was about the only legit contender, and at 35 he got $26M over two years.
You heard me - new posters don't  
jcn56 : 3/16/2017 2:13 pm : link
Dupes, on the other hand...
I'm relatively new  
adamg : 3/16/2017 2:16 pm : link
Never been called a dupe.

I think it's being obstinate and obnoxious that leads to potentially false claims of dupedom for newer posters. However, there is always the possibility that someone is just a dupe.
Getting back to the thread ladies  
shelovesnycsports : 3/16/2017 4:05 pm : link
I think this year it was either sign JPP or fix the Oline. I think the team thinks if it can win close games with this poor line then its not a huge problem and the offense can be set up so the line doesn't have to be very good. What is the saying about the best offense is a Good Defense. For the money they had to take a shot on a former 1st rounder is not a bad thing and who knows it may turn out great.
RE: Getting back to the thread ladies  
j_rud : 3/16/2017 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13395497 shelovesnycsports said:
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I think this year it was either sign JPP or fix the Oline. I think the team thinks if it can win close games with this poor line then its not a huge problem and the offense can be set up so the line doesn't have to be very good. What is the saying about the best offense is a Good Defense. For the money they had to take a shot on a former 1st rounder is not a bad thing and who knows it may turn out great.


Show us your pecs!!!
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shelovesnycsports : 3/16/2017 4:11 pm : link
Coffee Man: can you spell TROLL ?  
Ivan15 : 3/16/2017 4:21 pm : link
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coffee man = suspended  
YAJ2112 : 3/16/2017 4:27 pm : link
but of course he wasn't a troll, right sheloves?
RE: coffee man = suspended  
shelovesnycsports : 3/16/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13395532 YAJ2112 said:
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but of course he wasn't a troll, right sheloves?
how does it go
A broken clock is right once a day. I didn't see a lot of malicious content in his posts.
RE: coffee man = suspended  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/16/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13395532 YAJ2112 said:
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but of course he wasn't a troll, right sheloves?


Wait when did this happen?
RE: RE: coffee man = suspended  
YAJ2112 : 3/16/2017 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13395535 shelovesnycsports said:
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In comment 13395532 YAJ2112 said:


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but of course he wasn't a troll, right sheloves?

how does it go
A broken clock is right once a day. I didn't see a lot of malicious content in his posts.


you sound like gidiefor when he was defending the last "newbie" from the troll hunters... who of course was a troll and got banned later in the same day.
RE: RE: Coffeman  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/16/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13395551 gidiefor said:
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In comment 13394893 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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you wouldn't happen to be a Miami Hurricane fan? Would you?



Wait your telling me his IP address was the same as the Itshowtime guy? Oh he will never learn.
coffee man and Old Dirty Beckham  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/16/2017 4:44 pm : link
were talking to himself
RE: coffee man and Old Dirty Beckham  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2017 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13395558 gidiefor said:
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were talking to himself


Hahahaha, amazing. Makes so much sense. Been calling him a troll for months.
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