Brace for the win tonight.
Last night was another step closer in sorting out the playoff hunt.
-Wizards drop to Mavs at home, Boston is building a comfortable lead (and supposedly has the easiest remaining schedule in the NBA)
-Barnes 22 and 9, Dirk 20. Wall 26 and 11, Beal 24 and 5
-Paul George with 39. Frank the tank with 20, but of course Charlotte got dominated on the glass.
-IT with 27, horford a near triple double (20, 8 and 9). Rubio 23 and 7
-Hayward 25, 6 and 9.
-Miami wants a playoff spot. Dragic 33, Whiteside 20 and 17. AD 27,8 and 3
-Portland beats SA in SA. Dame 36, CJ 26, Nurk 16 and 9 (but with possible the worst 90 second stretch of basketball I've ever seen. With 2 minutes to go, he misses 3 layup/dunks, misses 2 free throws, missed 2 defensive rotations, inexplicably fumbled another easy layup out of bounds and threw away an inbounds pass to allow SAS back into the game).
-Kawhi 34, 6 and 9. 3 st;s and 2 blks. LMA made a return, good to see things are alright with him
-Houston routs LAL as anyone could've called. Harden trip doub. Luu Williams with 30 and 7. Randle with 32.
-Grizz beat Bulls. Can't imagine thats a fun game to watch. Gasol/Conley with 27 and 7
-Milwaukee also wants a playoff spot. They are like 15 and 4 when Middleton plays, and he's been on a minutes restriction until late. Beating good teams too.
-The crap bowl: Kings move ahead of us in the standings.
-Skal with 32 and 11. he's a very real NBA player.
-WCS 14, 14, 5. 4 steals and 4 blocks
I wouldn't trade being a browns fan or a TB rays fan with being a Nets fan. There's no American professional sports team with a bleaker outlook than the Brooklyn Nets.
Try getting a board over Willy/KP/Isaac (post-weight room and a few NY strips).
Culture will eventually breed greatness.
I don't think its out of hand to feel better about the 2020 nets then the 2020 knicks
Your theory is that Jeremy Lin is a 10 win player?
In any event, the Nets have no young stud and dont own their 2017 and 2018 picks. New free agency rules make it very hard to acquire star players. So your only argument could be that the Knicks utterly blow it over the next 4 years, both losing and not reaping rewards from the draft. Oh, shit...
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They are a bottom tier team but with Lin they are a mid twenties win team (still brutal)
Culture will eventually breed greatness.
I don't think its out of hand to feel better about the 2020 nets then the 2020 knicks
Your theory is that Jeremy Lin is a 10 win player?
In any event, the Nets have no young stud and dont own their 2017 and 2018 picks. New free agency rules make it very hard to acquire star players. So your only argument could be that the Knicks utterly blow it over the next 4 years, both losing and not reaping rewards from the draft. Oh, shit...
Yes Jeremy Lin can account for a +5/10 in the standings column with the alternative the Nets were trotting out. Sean Kilkpatrick? Sean Dinwiddie? The added factor of the Lin/Lopez combo on the pnr alone helps swing games/momentum for the Nets. Plus there bench has been playing better with Lin back. The Nets are a shit team but they aren't as shitty as everyone thinks.
Jeremy Lin is no more a 10 win player than Carmelo is an All-NBA defender.
Culture will eventually breed greatness.
I don't think its out of hand to feel better about the 2020 nets then the 2020 knicks
Your obsession with the Nets "culture" is absolutely hysterical. I mean, I guess it's all you have, since the team is abysmal and has no picks until 2049, but I think it's a bit much. No, it's a lot much.
Jeremy Lin is no more a 10 win player than Carmelo is an All-NBA defender.
"This season, the Nets are 7-16 with Lin, who’s been on minutes’ restriction all season long, and 6-38 without him."
All I'm saying is, you can make the argument hitdog is making easily. There's evidence to back it up.
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That's pretty scant evidence. We know what a 10 win player looks like, and it's not Lin. If it was Lin, he wouldnt be on his 6th team in 7 years.
That's pretty scant evidence. We know what a 10 win player looks like, and it's not Lin. If it was Lin, he wouldnt be on his 6th team in 7 years.
Okay you are right. Screw the facts just presented to you. Because he beat the Knicks twice, not like other "10 win players" face the Knicks right? Nevermind that a 10 win player on a team with little talent is probably different from a 10 win player on a team like the Spurs, for example. When the guy plays, he matched the Nets win total for the entire season in half the games played. He improves the Nets, that was the entire point of the comment to begin with.
also i dont care how good your culture is, if you do not have the players you are not going to win and no one is leaving money on the table to go to the nets..
also they will not control their first round picks so how do you expect to get a young stud and build your team?
knicks already have a young stud and are going to add to it this year and probably next year, so they would already be ahead of the nets by 3 years in their rebuild..
nets rebuild wont start until after next season
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against the hapless Knicks.
That's pretty scant evidence. We know what a 10 win player looks like, and it's not Lin. If it was Lin, he wouldnt be on his 6th team in 7 years.
Okay you are right. Screw the facts just presented to you. Because he beat the Knicks twice, not like other "10 win players" face the Knicks right? Nevermind that a 10 win player on a team with little talent is probably different from a 10 win player on a team like the Spurs, for example. When the guy plays, he matched the Nets win total for the entire season in half the games played. He improves the Nets, that was the entire point of the comment to begin with.
Let's take that logic you are using.
The Mavericks started the season 17-30.
The Mavericks are 12-8 since they signed Yogi Ferrell. Using those win %s over an 82 game season, yogi is therefore a 20 win player.
The Nets fucking cut a 20 win player who is 23 years old, 10 games into the season.
What a joke of an organization.
Forget Lin, the nets are a 0 win team without brook. That's the logic you are using.
The Nets are 5 years from being where the Orlando Magic and the Sacramento Kings are right now. Buckle up, it's going to be a rough, rough ride. If you are a Nets fan, now is the time to advocate theories like the NBA is rigged or how the players don't care about playing hard. Not that the Nets are onto something big.
Go root for the browns in the meantime. They have more hope.
It'll be a challenge for them to improve but the Spurs havn't had a high pick in decades so it's not impossible. They have two late firsts in a deep draft this year which would be a nice place for them to start. I'd feel better about the Knicks if they committed to rebuild but there's a chance they overpay mediocre guys this offseason and doom themselves for another cycle unless they get a perennial all-star in this year's draft.
It would be great for NY basketball to see both teams good for a 5 year stretch.
"lazy" and "clueless"? Sounds familiar....
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against the hapless Knicks.
That's pretty scant evidence. We know what a 10 win player looks like, and it's not Lin. If it was Lin, he wouldnt be on his 6th team in 7 years.
Okay you are right. Screw the facts just presented to you. Because he beat the Knicks twice, not like other "10 win players" face the Knicks right? Nevermind that a 10 win player on a team with little talent is probably different from a 10 win player on a team like the Spurs, for example. When the guy plays, he matched the Nets win total for the entire season in half the games played. He improves the Nets, that was the entire point of the comment to begin with.
I wont belabor the point that others have made with the Yogi and Lopez win "facts". You cant extrapolate W-L differentials in games a guy played, especially over a sample size, in the manner you suggest.
It'll be a challenge for them to improve but the Spurs havn't had a high pick in decades so it's not impossible. They have two late firsts in a deep draft this year which would be a nice place for them to start. I'd feel better about the Knicks if they committed to rebuild but there's a chance they overpay mediocre guys this offseason and doom themselves for another cycle unless they get a perennial all-star in this year's draft.
It would be great for NY basketball to see both teams good for a 5 year stretch.
You need stars to win first and foremost. Not culture. KP gives you hope for that. No one on the Nets does. I wouldn't trade any of the Knicks upcoming picks or Willy for anyone on the Nets (although I'm a RHJ fan, but it's hard seeing him being anything more than a 4th option on a good team). Lavert is decent.
Saying that about the Spurs neglects the fact that the entire dynasty was founded ontop of 2 #1 overall picks who became 2 top 20 all time players. It's just very ignorant to bring up the Spurs model without acknowledging how it all started.
Even Kawhi was a lottery pick. The Nets don't have one of those for another 2 years.
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Derrick Rose is among the half-dozen worst defenders among all full-time starters. He's either lazy, clueless, or both. The Knicks should not re-sign him unless his market collapses into nothingness.
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Clueless yes. I think he's dumber than a brick. Maybe the NBA's Pedro Guerrerro. I dont think I'd use the word lazy; rather I think he's made a conscious decision to save his body for UFA this season. Thus, he drive to the hoops but avoids contact (when compared to previous season). And on D he plays off, and while he "fights thru screens" b/c that is the scheme, he doesnt do it with abandon.
I don't really care about how you guys classify a "10 win player", the truth is the Nets have won 6 games with Lin playing and 7 without him. So back to the original point, yes I believe the Nets could be a mid twenties win team if Lin played a full season.
That link above about the Knicks defense, that's Melo in a nutshell. Damning video and says all you need to know.
sure, in the Chinese league.
2) As a point of comparison to the Knicks, who I agree, are getting killed by a terrible culture both on the team and at MSG generally.
3) And finally, it's a sales gimmick to give some hope to a particularly hopeless team, because of the losing and lack of picks.
The notion that the Nets have weaponized "culture" is pretty laughable. Indeed, a number of the early quotes are about "a culture of winning" when these guys will finish last in the NBA
I'm arguing whether the Nets, the Orlando magic or the Cleveland browns have the worst future. And it's the Nets by a longshot.
Kulish, my point is that using your argument, the Nets aren't going to win a game when Lopez gets traded/walks in FA. It's a dumb argument used on limited sample size. The Nets are still the worst NBA team with or without Lin.
And my point was also Yogi is not a 20 win player. Very good , yes. A better asset than Jeremy Lin, no question. But he by himself is not a 20 win player. Just like how Lin isn't a 10 win player. You put him on the Spurs, he's a replacement player that doesn't add any value.
5.2% to draft #1 overall
19.5% to draft top 3
63.5% to draft top 7
83.9% to draft top 8
98% to draft top 10
As of now I have three top tiers -- 3 guys, then 4 guys, then another 4 guys. So either a 3/5 or 4/5 chance we get a crack at one of those top 7 guys (since even at #8 there is a decent shot someone takes a player out of my top 7; e.g. DX has my Isaac at #9 when I have him at 6/7).
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I do think you can build a team around Rose like the Bulls of 5 years ago, but it cannot be here.
sure, in the Chinese league.
Rose would be a monster in China.
Not necessarily. If we dont win another game, there is a decent chance we leapfrog PHI and ORL. Probably not LAL (which is sitting everyone to save the pick) and PHX (just sat Bledsoe).
Philly plays ORL, CHIx2, BKx2, and NY down the stretch.
Orlando plays PHI, BKx2, and CHI.
Seems like Philly has an easier schedule, so you probably root for them to beat the Magic on Monday.
50-50 Philly gets to choose two of Smith, Markkanen, Jackson/Tatum, or Isaac (or Fox/Monk if they want), with about a 30% shot of upgrading one of those picks to a top 3 pick (rought 10% to pick each of #1, #2, or #3). So there is a legit chance they come out with Fultz/Ball plus Tatum/Isaac/Monk
So if the Lakers do keep their pick, philly could realistically have 2 top 3/4 picks in a draft where the picks are supposedly going to be even better than this year (unprotected Kings and lakers pick).
As Andariese and his family walked to center court from their seats, close to Dolan’s, Dolan never made a move to congratulate or even acknowledge him. Same after the ceremony. When Andariese returned to his seat, Dolan just sat there.
Andariese’s family was furious with Dolan’s complete disregard for a man who had so well served the Garden, its customers, cable subscribers, radio listeners and employees for over 35 years.
And so, two years later, while that was still infuriating to Andariese’s family, what happened wasn’t surprising.
The Basketball Hall of Fame had selected Andariese as the winner of the Curt Gowdy Award for broadcasting excellence. Andariese, by then forced to use a walker, was in the house for a Knicks game — again seated near Dolan — when he was shown on the big screen as per his Hall of Fame honor. An ovation began, then grew. Andariese was moved. Dolan didn’t move. Again, he couldn’t be bothered.
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Add 3 more top 5 picks over the next two years to Simmons, saric, Holmes, Covington and anderson, people will forget about Embiid.
If Embiid gets healthy, lord have mercy.
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Jeremy Lin is no more a 10 win player than Carmelo is an All-NBA defender.
Jeremy Lin doesn't have to be a 10 win player to make the Nets 10 games better than what they have been. He only has to be 10 games better than who the Nets are playing in his absence. Is he 10 games better than Dinwiddie and Kilpatrick? Most definitely not, but he might be 5 games better....
And those wins aren't coming from 22 year olds the Nets can build off of. They are coming from vets that won't be there in 3 years.