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NFT: NCAA Tournament Thursday

Crispino : 3/16/2017 10:56 am
It begins in earnest today.

Some interesting matchups:
Princeton-ND
Bucknell-WV
East Tennessee-Florida
Middle Tennessee-Minnesota
Xavier -Maryland
Vermont-Purdue
VaTech-Wisconsin

I love these next two days!

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RE: Nah... VCU definitely got screwed a few times and I'm rooting  
Greg from LI : 3/16/2017 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13395840 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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for St. Mary's. There was an awful flop called a loose ball foul under the basket that was especially egregious.


Yup. St Mary's had some Duke quality flops. VCU probably still loses anyway but it would have been a much closer game.
Ooooooh, LeDay scaryface!  
Greg from LI : 3/16/2017 9:55 pm : link
What a fucking tool. Between him and Self Allen, Tek is utterly loathsome.
I'm teaching my son that the fans  
Cruzin : 3/16/2017 9:59 pm : link

who complain about the refereeing are the fans with the least knowledge of the game.

Thank you for proving my point.

After Florida destroys Virginia on Saturday, maybe Greg and B can Facebook each other and leave the college basketball comments to those of us that will still matter.

You guys are really pathetic.
Maybe you can teach your son not to be a fucking internet douche.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/16/2017 10:04 pm : link
...
so if the team you root for  
nygiants16 : 3/16/2017 10:05 pm : link
is not in the tournament or loses you can no longer talk about the ncaa tournament? makes sense
so if you went to a non division 1 school  
nygiants16 : 3/16/2017 10:06 pm : link
you are just shit out of luck every year huh, damn that sucks
RE: so if you went to a non division 1 school  
Greg from LI : 3/16/2017 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13395862 nygiants16 said:
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you are just shit out of luck every year huh, damn that sucks


Rocky didn't even go to Notre Dame
RE: RE: so if you went to a non division 1 school  
figgy2989 : 3/16/2017 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13395871 Greg from LI said:
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you are just shit out of luck every year huh, damn that sucks



Rocky didn't even go to Notre Dame


It's ok he lived next store to Digger, so it's all good.
Damn Auto correct...  
figgy2989 : 3/16/2017 10:12 pm : link
*next door
RE: RE: so if you went to a non division 1 school  
B in ALB : 3/16/2017 10:12 pm : link
In comment 13395871 Greg from LI said:
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you are just shit out of luck every year huh, damn that sucks



Rocky didn't even go to Notre Dame


Bwahahaha! What?!

Clown show.
And he can't even pull the "well, my school is D-III" card  
Greg from LI : 3/16/2017 10:15 pm : link
Because, last I checked, Fordham plays in the A-10.
FGCU  
ctc in ftmyers : 3/16/2017 10:16 pm : link
with the lead
RE: And he can't even pull the  
B in ALB : 3/16/2017 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13395879 Greg from LI said:
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Because, last I checked, Fordham plays in the A-10.


What a Fuckin old man dupe fraud loser. Can it get any worse? Good Lord.
RE: FGCU  
Greg from LI : 3/16/2017 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13395882 ctc in ftmyers said:
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with the lead


They're still a fun team to watch. Plus, for all their talent, FSU plays as dumb as a bag of hammers.
Mark Turgeon just witnessed what good coaching looks like  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/16/2017 10:21 pm : link
Mack exposed him again as a mediocre coach who has been able to recruit at an above-average level.
The Wolfpack could be winning if they weren't shooting like they were  
YAJ2112 : 3/16/2017 10:25 pm : link
on roofies
RE: RE: FGCU  
ctc in ftmyers : 3/16/2017 10:25 pm : link
In comment 13395885 Greg from LI said:
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with the lead



They're still a fun team to watch. Plus, for all their talent, FSU plays as dumb as a bag of hammers.


They are a fun team to watch. Have been all year.

Not expecting anything but it should be a good game.
Justin Robinson is the most pathetic flopper I've ever seen  
Greg from LI : 3/16/2017 11:31 pm : link
He makes Greg Paulus look like a player with a high level of integrity.
RE: Mark Turgeon just witnessed what good coaching looks like  
giantsfan44ab : 3/16/2017 11:45 pm : link
In comment 13395888 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Mack exposed him again as a mediocre coach who has been able to recruit at an above-average level.


I'll take Turgeon as a replacement for Crean. He gets his guys to play defense. He's made chicken out of chicken shit. Jake layman is the best player he's had the last 4 years and he's a D leaguer.
Wisconsin has done us all a great service  
Greg from LI : 3/16/2017 11:54 pm : link
The trash has been taken out.
they got the big ten seedings  
adambear : 3/16/2017 11:56 pm : link
completely wrong.
I always forget to look at venues in these early rounds  
MetsAreBack : 3/16/2017 11:58 pm : link
If I'd seen Iowa state was somehow playing a home game tonight when they aren't the 4 seed I wouldn't have gone Nevada here
RE: they got the big ten seedings  
MetsAreBack : 3/16/2017 11:59 pm : link
In comment 13395953 adambear said:
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completely wrong.


They screwed a lot more up than just the big 10. Is there a universe where vandernilts 15 losses in a mid major conference is a higher seed than Wichita state or even Vermont?
I just realized Iowa state may face kansas  
MetsAreBack : 3/17/2017 12:11 am : link
In sweet 16. Whaaaat?

They couldn't put Notre dame in this bracket instead - in Milwaukee pod with Purdue? And put Miami in another region.... (Which Miami - Notre dame is far less likely than 1 and 5 seeds meeting)

This committee does really need to go. Further highlights how ridiculous the Minnesota 5 seed was as if was one of the reasons they put Iowa state here and not south region
Wichita State is ridiculously underseeded  
Greg from LI : 3/17/2017 12:18 am : link
Kenpom isn't the end all, be all, but they were #8 there and....a 10 seed.
I really  
Giantfootball025 : 3/17/2017 12:21 am : link
want to see a Wichita St vs Kentucky matchup.
What a win.  
Jon in NYC : 3/17/2017 12:58 am : link
Bronson Koenig. 8 3s. What a monster.
RE: Wichita State is ridiculously underseeded  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/17/2017 4:26 am : link
In comment 13395965 Greg from LI said:
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Kenpom isn't the end all, be all, but they were #8 there and....a 10 seed.


I actually can't blame the committee there. Wichita has ZERO good wins this season and no... Illinois State isn't a good win.

Then again, what possible excuse was there for the Spartans getting a 9 seed?
Tough loss for VCU...  
Britt in VA : 3/17/2017 8:45 am : link
that was a bad matchup from the get go. After actually seeing St. Mary's for a full game, I have to think they were a bit underseeded, as well.

We fought hard, heroic effort by JeQuan Lewis. They just exposed our weaknesses, and we didn't have a "guy" this year that can make them pay from outside.

Damn Australians... :)
RE: RE: Wichita State is ridiculously underseeded  
MetsAreBack : 3/17/2017 8:50 am : link
In comment 13396005 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Then again, what possible excuse was there for the Spartans getting a 9 seed?



The NCAA committee chairman being their athletic director?

Not enough people are talking about how the big 10 got seeded, and how Michigan State made it in with ease and got such a high seed.

But truth be told i have more of an issue with Vanderbilt getting in the tournament, let alone somehow a 9 seed, than with Mich State which at least has i guess historical success (which should obviously not factor in but it does)

The committee  
Metnut : 3/17/2017 9:02 am : link
is full of dinosaurs who are clueless at best and corrupt at worst. The sooner it's reformed the better off the sport will be.
Not defending any decisions that were made  
bigbluehoya : 3/17/2017 9:14 am : link
As I have no rooting interest other than my bracket and some bets yet-to-be-made, but a an 8-9 seed seems hardly a gift (if you accept that a team did deserve to make the tournament). I believe #1 seeds make the Sweet16 something like 85-90% of the time.

If you put aside the seeds, Wichita State surely still got screwed, but the Michigan State treatment would put them worse off than they currently are, IMO.
A minor miracle  
Metnut : 3/17/2017 9:35 am : link
that ND won yesterday. Princeton took it to them the last ten minute and ND didn't know how to respond. ND looked like a team that had turned the corner in their last 10 games and ACC tourney especially and picked a bad day to throw a big stinker.

The good news is that winning is all that matters in the NCAA tourney and they'll have a real shot against WVU given how well they've handled Louisville's press over the years.
RE: RE: Mark Turgeon just witnessed what good coaching looks like  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/17/2017 9:39 am : link
In comment 13395946 giantsfan44ab said:
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Mack exposed him again as a mediocre coach who has been able to recruit at an above-average level.



I'll take Turgeon as a replacement for Crean. He gets his guys to play defense. He's made chicken out of chicken shit. Jake layman is the best player he's had the last 4 years and he's a D leaguer.


Take him, since you don't know what you are talking about.
RE: RE: RE: Mark Turgeon just witnessed what good coaching looks like  
Stu11 : 3/17/2017 9:58 am : link
In comment 13396160 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Mack exposed him again as a mediocre coach who has been able to recruit at an above-average level.



I'll take Turgeon as a replacement for Crean. He gets his guys to play defense. He's made chicken out of chicken shit. Jake layman is the best player he's had the last 4 years and he's a D leaguer.

Dude what in gods name is your beef with MD? You memorize our free throw attempt total per game like its the tax code. We established last week that its not that your still butt hurt over 2002 because you said you were too young to remember. "Jake layman is the best player he's had the last 4 years and he's a D leaguer." Ok we may have to start a contest here at BBI- most idiotic comment of the week. You think Melo Trimble is chicken shit? Turg is always a tough call for me. He seems like a great guy and an excellent recruiter. However he just does not make those in game coaching adjustments. The program will be fine with him, just don't know that we can take that next step. However who are we going to get to come here that will be much better. I think the seminole moment for this program was after Gary left and the AD Anderson was sitting across the table from Sean Miller and couldn't close the deal. Now maybe Miller didn't want to come and desired Arizona more. That's very possible, however that was our chance to land an elite coach and recruiter that could have really brought us to the next level.
the seminole moment?  
Greg from LI : 3/17/2017 10:03 am : link
Heh
Allow me to support my erstwhile colleague Stu  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/17/2017 10:43 am : link
His likely autocorrect misspelling is nowhere as dumb as our AD, who is known for being inappropriately drunk at most major donor events and who also hired Randy Edsall.

Turgeon is a nice guy and ok recruiter, but his in-game coaching was pretty poor this year and he still can't construct a balanced roster. He is essentially a passive coach, and that translates into his teams playing passively.

yep Greg I realized when I wrote it  
Stu11 : 3/17/2017 10:58 am : link
however my limited MD graduate vocabulary couldn't come up with a better synonym lol. Yea Hump thig is I think he constructed a damn good roster this year. Its funny with all the "awww shucks what a great job he did with 3 freshman" talk and "losing 4 starters from last year" was nonsense. This roster was better than last year. Much better shooting, and before Cheko went down plenty of depth inside. The real indictment was with starting 3 freshman we actually got worse as the year went on, not better. That should be the reverse. All that having been said how much better can we do than Turg? Tom Izzo ain't walking through that door. We had a shot with Miller. And yes Anderson is a buffoon.
Never said Turgeon was a God  
giantsfan44ab : 3/17/2017 11:12 am : link
I'm saying he's better than Crean. He is starting 3 freshman and he gets them to play good defense. He built a good defense last year with fat/lazy Diamond Stone as the defensive "anchor".

I don't think Trimble is chicken shit. I just don't think you can get to the sweet sixteen with him as your best player. Is that really crazy to think? He averages almost as many turnovers as assists, and he's been abysmal from 3 this year. Is it really a stretch to say something like that? He's an undersized SG that can't shoot and is particularly bad on defense.

Exactly who has been so much more effective than Layman for UMD the last few years? No, I'm not saying Layman should've been a #1 option on a final four team. But from a team player aspect he is someone you want as part of your team.

And I'll say it again, exactly which Turgeon recuit has been tearing it up after leaving MD?

Not putting Turgeon in the Tom Izzo class of the big 10. Or even the Beeline level. But he hasn't exactly been A1 recruits either. Huerter and Jackson are nice, let's see how they develop. But he isn't exactly developing lottery picks in college park either (Alex Len is a bum).
Maybe you can say  
giantsfan44ab : 3/17/2017 11:17 am : link
Turgeon isn't developing the top recruits he gets. But no Turgeon recruit has gotten all that much better with professional training/coaching.
RE: Never said Turgeon was a God  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/17/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13396359 giantsfan44ab said:
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I'm saying he's better than Crean. He is starting 3 freshman and he gets them to play good defense. He built a good defense last year with fat/lazy Diamond Stone as the defensive "anchor".

I don't think Trimble is chicken shit. I just don't think you can get to the sweet sixteen with him as your best player. Is that really crazy to think? He averages almost as many turnovers as assists, and he's been abysmal from 3 this year. Is it really a stretch to say something like that? He's an undersized SG that can't shoot and is particularly bad on defense.

Exactly who has been so much more effective than Layman for UMD the last few years? No, I'm not saying Layman should've been a #1 option on a final four team. But from a team player aspect he is someone you want as part of your team.

And I'll say it again, exactly which Turgeon recuit has been tearing it up after leaving MD?

Not putting Turgeon in the Tom Izzo class of the big 10. Or even the Beeline level. But he hasn't exactly been A1 recruits either. Huerter and Jackson are nice, let's see how they develop. But he isn't exactly developing lottery picks in college park either (Alex Len is a bum).


Which recruits have torn it up FOR Maryland? Trimble and Stone were his 5-stars, Melo saved his job and Stone underwhelmed. He basically whiffed on a whole class outside of Layman - Mitchell, Faust, Allen and Cleare, and Nickens and Wiley have never developed. These ARE his recruits - the freshman class has two redshirts. That's poor balance.
RE: Maybe you can say  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/17/2017 11:29 am : link
In comment 13396365 giantsfan44ab said:
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Turgeon isn't developing the top recruits he gets. But no Turgeon recruit has gotten all that much better with professional training/coaching.


Yes, so if he can't recruit top talent or coach up mid-level talent, then what is he good for other than running a clean program and being a nice guy?
Layman was a nice player  
Greg from LI : 3/17/2017 11:30 am : link
But he was third banana his whole career to various combinations of Trimble, Dez Wells, Robert Carter, Diamond Stone, and Self Allen.
RE: RE: Maybe you can say  
giantsfan44ab : 3/17/2017 11:44 am : link
In comment 13396419 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Turgeon isn't developing the top recruits he gets. But no Turgeon recruit has gotten all that much better with professional training/coaching.



Yes, so if he can't recruit top talent or coach up mid-level talent, then what is he good for other than running a clean program and being a nice guy?


Fair enough. When would be the earliest Maryland would even think about canning him though?
RE: Layman was a nice player  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/17/2017 11:46 am : link
In comment 13396425 Greg from LI said:
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But he was third banana his whole career to various combinations of Trimble, Dez Wells, Robert Carter, Diamond Stone, and Self Allen.


Layman was a matchup nightmare at the 4, but he had to play at the 3 because of the Stone/Carter deal. When Layman was the focus on offense at the elbow in, the team did really well.
RE: RE: RE: Maybe you can say  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/17/2017 11:54 am : link
In comment 13396498 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13396365 giantsfan44ab said:


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Turgeon isn't developing the top recruits he gets. But no Turgeon recruit has gotten all that much better with professional training/coaching.



Yes, so if he can't recruit top talent or coach up mid-level talent, then what is he good for other than running a clean program and being a nice guy?



Fair enough. When would be the earliest Maryland would even think about canning him though?


They can't, our idiot AD gave him an extension, would cost a pretty penny to get out of it.
Here's my Terps frustration...  
tony stg : 3/17/2017 12:11 pm : link
On Jan 1, Nebraska beat Md primarily by using a 1-3-1 zone at the end of the game that completely flummoxed them. Yesterday was March 16, meaning they had 2-1/2 months to work on attacking that zone. Anyone with a little bit of knowledge knew that Xavier was going to zone the Terps. Looked to me like they got worse against a zone over those 2-1/2 months not better. Who's fault is that? That's the kind of stuff that drives me crazy.

Not saying I've given up on Turge, but I have to see some improvement with him, too, as well as the players.

Thing is last night was bizarre vs. the zone  
Stu11 : 3/17/2017 12:22 pm : link
awful at the start, superb in the middle of the game running Huerter to the high post and firing the dump down pass and then awful the last 15 minutes. Bottom line is 7-26 from 3 will destroy any chance you have against a zone.
RE: Here's my Terps frustration...  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/17/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13396636 tony stg said:
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On Jan 1, Nebraska beat Md primarily by using a 1-3-1 zone at the end of the game that completely flummoxed them. Yesterday was March 16, meaning they had 2-1/2 months to work on attacking that zone. Anyone with a little bit of knowledge knew that Xavier was going to zone the Terps. Looked to me like they got worse against a zone over those 2-1/2 months not better. Who's fault is that? That's the kind of stuff that drives me crazy.

Not saying I've given up on Turge, but I have to see some improvement with him, too, as well as the players.


I actually have to defend turgeon in one aspect, when Xavier made their run in the second half, the Terps missed 3 straight layups against the zone and Melo turned it over twice. That was the game. Turgeon can't actually put the ball in the hole
RE: UCLA will flame out  
Stan in LA : 3/20/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13395078 Greg from LI said:
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I feel rock-solid on that one. They play no defense whatsoever. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cincy knock them off.


Nice call Greg!
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