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Hankins update: Asking for MORE than 10m/yr

SicilianGMEN : 3/16/2017 2:30 pm
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Reached out to sources around league and found that DT Johnathan Hankins is asking for A LOT of money. A lot as in more than $10M per year.
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See you later, Hank  
The_Boss : 3/16/2017 2:42 pm : link
You're not worth anywhere near that.
RE: He'll get smart and fire his agent.  
AcidTest : 3/16/2017 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13395366 Brown Recluse said:
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He better do so soon, or there will be very little FA money left for most teams. That is ridiculous. As I said, I would do $5-6M on a one year "prove it" deal, but I think he's better off going to a team where he can be a real 1T.
He needs to fire his Agent..  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2017 2:45 pm : link
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RE: RE: He'll get smart and fire his agent.  
jcn56 : 3/16/2017 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13395378 AcidTest said:
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He better do so soon, or there will be very little FA money left for most teams. That is ridiculous. As I said, I would do $5-6M on a one year "prove it" deal, but I think he's better off going to a team where he can be a real 1T.


Not so sure about that - if he's not up to the task, he might be better off here where the results might be masked by a strong DL around him. Going somewhere else for a year could backfire on him.
I think he can get a 5 year deal....  
MOOPS : 3/16/2017 2:47 pm : link
in the $35-$38M range.
What he's asking for now is crazy.
Good-bye.  
Klaatu : 3/16/2017 2:49 pm : link
And good luck.
Seriously, who is his agent?  
njm : 3/16/2017 2:52 pm : link
If he doesn't make clear that's an opening position he's nuts. I think Hankins is worth a lot more than a $5 mil. one year "show me" contract, but this is as bad in the opposite direction.
RE: Seriously, who is his agent?  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/16/2017 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13395400 njm said:
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If he doesn't make clear that's an opening position he's nuts. I think Hankins is worth a lot more than a $5 mil. one year "show me" contract, but this is as bad in the opposite direction.


This is fantastic for us. He keeps this shit up, he will have no choice, but to return for a cheap deal.
RE: RE: Seriously, who is his agent?  
adamg : 3/16/2017 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13395408 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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If he doesn't make clear that's an opening position he's nuts. I think Hankins is worth a lot more than a $5 mil. one year "show me" contract, but this is as bad in the opposite direction.



This is fantastic for us. He keeps this shit up, he will have no choice, but to return for a cheap deal.


I hope so. That agent better pull his shit together. He's about to become a pariah in the biggest sports market in the country.
If he gets it, do you think that nets the Giants  
rasbutant : 3/16/2017 3:01 pm : link
a 3rd round comp pick, or have prices soared so much now that it would only be a 4th?
Funny how this is all of a sudden a joke  
est1986 : 3/16/2017 3:02 pm : link
When half of BBI thought he would get that number going into FA. Overrated for sure. Looked like he could break out after year two but he hasn't at all.
Love Hank want him to stay.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/16/2017 3:04 pm : link
But more than $10 million per year? Yeah, that's not going to work.
lol  
David in LA : 3/16/2017 3:04 pm : link
some of you guys were ready to pay him the franchise tag and let JPP walk. Rest of the league disagrees, thank god.
RE: lol  
adamg : 3/16/2017 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13395420 David in LA said:
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some of you guys were ready to pay him the franchise tag and let JPP walk. Rest of the league disagrees, thank god.


I think the people who suggested the tag didn't know what the cost of the tag was.
Funny how this is all of a sudden a joke  
est1986 : 3/16/2017 3:15 pm : link
When half of BBI thought he would get that number going into FA. Overrated for sure. Looked like he could break out after year two but he hasn't at all.
I really do not believe there is a market for him at that number.  
Giant John : 3/16/2017 3:18 pm : link
He has been listening to fairy tales. He will need a lot of fairy dust before that flies.
RE: RE: lol  
David in LA : 3/16/2017 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13395427 adamg said:
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some of you guys were ready to pay him the franchise tag and let JPP walk. Rest of the league disagrees, thank god.



I think the people who suggested the tag didn't know what the cost of the tag was.


That is true, but they also grossly overrated how good he is.
Ha.  
annexOPR : 3/16/2017 3:39 pm : link
Ha.
One cannot forget about inflation...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/16/2017 3:44 pm : link
and consider the likelihood that someone actually fulfills their contract. As a 24 year old, it is very likely that he will reach the end of any multi-year contract.

Right now >$10MM per seems really expensive, but with the way contracts have inflated over the past five years, it may be an average contract by the time it expires. Keep these things in mind.

Obviously he hasn't found a buyer yet that agrees with him, but I don't think he's lost his marbles by asking for this either. He knows about inflation and is willing to risk a large amount of guaranteed money, play on a one year prove-it deal if necessary and hit free agency as a 25 year old rather than sign a contract he's unhappy with. Not necessarily a bad bet for most players his age.
Bye bye Hank  
jeff57 : 3/16/2017 3:44 pm : link
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He better go check out  
Rflairr : 3/16/2017 3:44 pm : link
what Poe got
Hankins  
stretch234 : 3/16/2017 3:47 pm : link
Nothing wrong with asking for the moon. The issue then becomes is as the market develops, is your agent adjusting for reality. Thus far it appears not
Why not?  
Ron Johnson 30 : 3/16/2017 3:59 pm : link
There's no rush to sign. Make the bucks while you can.
Wow  
Cenotaph : 3/16/2017 4:01 pm : link
looks like Poe will get $10M per. Still don't think Hankins will. Logan is a very good DT also, and signed for far less a few days ago (1 year prove it deal).
He's really a NT.  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/16/2017 4:15 pm : link
More than a few actual Nose Tackles out there this year. When a guy becomes a FA matters. There were other guys as good or better than he who got paid well. I personally believe the deal the Ravens handed out to their NT was moronic. Maybe he and his agent think he's that good or better.

. Either way most NTs are never going to get that type of deal. Suh's deal is an albatross for the Dolphins. Snacks worked out but his deal looks to be a bargain for how he played. Other than Wilfork and Snacks a lot of guys on the Nose doena ton of dirty work and it gets lost. Also here has to be worry about wear and tear on a guy at that position. Good luck to him but the only way he gets a lot of cash is if some team needs to reach that salary cap floor.
Someones full of themself  
Peppers : 3/16/2017 4:17 pm : link
No way Hank is getting more than 10.
If true  
OC2.0 : 3/16/2017 4:23 pm : link
Then adios amigo
I said it before free agency  
Big Rick in FL : 3/16/2017 5:06 pm : link
I'd give him anywhere between 7-8 million over 5 years. With around 20 million guaranteed. Snacks is making similar money and he's a WAY better player.

At this point the best bet for Hankins is to accept a 1 year deal with the Giants. Maybe 6 million with incentives to reach 9 million. It's a scheme he's familiar with and he's on a DL with Snacks, OV & JPP. He won't get near as much attention as he would anywhere else. Try to have a big year and cash in next year.
RE: I said it before free agency  
section125 : 3/16/2017 5:15 pm : link
In comment 13395592 Big Rick in FL said:
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I'd give him anywhere between 7-8 million over 5 years. With around 20 million guaranteed. Snacks is making similar money and he's a WAY better player.

At this point the best bet for Hankins is to accept a 1 year deal with the Giants. Maybe 6 million with incentives to reach 9 million. It's a scheme he's familiar with and he's on a DL with Snacks, OV & JPP. He won't get near as much attention as he would anywhere else. Try to have a big year and cash in next year.


Giants don't have anywhere near that money...The still have a ton of players to sign including backup QB and a kicker...
Hank  
XBRONX : 3/16/2017 5:26 pm : link
you are not that good.See ya.
RE: RE: I said it before free agency  
Big Rick in FL : 3/16/2017 6:09 pm : link
In comment 13395603 section125 said:
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I'd give him anywhere between 7-8 million over 5 years. With around 20 million guaranteed. Snacks is making similar money and he's a WAY better player.

At this point the best bet for Hankins is to accept a 1 year deal with the Giants. Maybe 6 million with incentives to reach 9 million. It's a scheme he's familiar with and he's on a DL with Snacks, OV & JPP. He won't get near as much attention as he would anywhere else. Try to have a big year and cash in next year.



Giants don't have anywhere near that money...The still have a ton of players to sign including backup QB and a kicker...


The Giants can very easily open up that kind of space. Just like every other team in the league can. 2 weeks ago the Cowboys were 14 million over the cap. They signed Terrance Williams, McFadden, Nolan Carroll, Stephen Paea & DaMontre Moore which is 9,575,000 in cap hits this year. They still have 8 million in cap space. So the Cowboys opened up a little bit over 30 million in cap space. The Giants if needed can easily open up 15-20 million. That's not even including JPPs deal.
who is his agent? thats a clown show  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2017 6:12 pm : link
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RE: RE: Seriously, who is his agent?  
FStubbs : 3/16/2017 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13395408 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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If he doesn't make clear that's an opening position he's nuts. I think Hankins is worth a lot more than a $5 mil. one year "show me" contract, but this is as bad in the opposite direction.



This is fantastic for us. He keeps this shit up, he will have no choice, but to return for a cheap deal.


If he takes a show me deal it'll probably be elsewhere.
There are no  
XBRONX : 3/16/2017 6:17 pm : link
good DT's left in free agency who can rush the passer. Sign Tony McDaniel to a one year deal.He can stop the run.
Bye been nice to know ya  
uconngiant : 3/16/2017 6:17 pm : link
He is not worth $10 million a year, but more like $6-maybe 8 million a year
RE: RE: RE: I said it before free agency  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2017 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13395640 Big Rick in FL said:
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I'd give him anywhere between 7-8 million over 5 years. With around 20 million guaranteed. Snacks is making similar money and he's a WAY better player.

At this point the best bet for Hankins is to accept a 1 year deal with the Giants. Maybe 6 million with incentives to reach 9 million. It's a scheme he's familiar with and he's on a DL with Snacks, OV & JPP. He won't get near as much attention as he would anywhere else. Try to have a big year and cash in next year.



Giants don't have anywhere near that money...The still have a ton of players to sign including backup QB and a kicker...



The Giants can very easily open up that kind of space. Just like every other team in the league can. 2 weeks ago the Cowboys were 14 million over the cap. They signed Terrance Williams, McFadden, Nolan Carroll, Stephen Paea & DaMontre Moore which is 9,575,000 in cap hits this year. They still have 8 million in cap space. So the Cowboys opened up a little bit over 30 million in cap space. The Giants if needed can easily open up 15-20 million. That's not even including JPPs deal.



Could they move money around? Sure, as you said any team can. It's a matter of whether they value the player in question enough to kick the salary cap can down the road. I'm not certain Hankins is the player to sacrifice future flexibility for. For what reason is he worth that much other than that's what he wants?

The cowboys constantly shuffle money around, but they also never have enough to go get top end free agents that they could have really used to make their defense better than the mediocrity it is. They're always cutting off pieces from one area to create space for other things.
Hank is good - a game changing superstar??? not so muc  
mavric : 3/16/2017 6:20 pm : link
I like the guy and don't blame him for testing the free agent waters. However, when asking for an 8-figure annual contract, you better be in perfect shape with little to no injury history and the stud at your position everyone is talking about and have a ton of film showing teams how you alone changed a game in the team's favor.
I don't think Hankins is going to get what he is looking for and in the end, could end up with less than if he just sat down with the team that drafted him to make compromises to seal a long term deal. If he finds out no one thinks he's worth as much as he thinks, so will the Giants and he has little leverage to get the team to pony up big bucks. The Giants hold all the cards if he comes back with hat in hand.
He'll likely re sign  
David B. : 3/16/2017 6:34 pm : link
with the Giants for something less than that.
If Hankins doesn't come back,  
Go Terps : 3/16/2017 6:43 pm : link
I don't think it's as easy as "Snacks is awesome so anyone can fill that spot". I thought that combo was the backbone of the team last season, and it's tough to say what the impact could be on Snacks because we haven't seen it.

I'm reminded of when Coughlin's Jaguars had the John Henderson/Marcus Stroud combo in the center of their defense. I also recall when the Eagles had Mike Patterson/Brodrick Bunkley. When you get two guys in the middle like that it can shape what opponents do on offense in a big way, and it makes average linebackers good.

RE: If Hankins doesn't come back,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2017 6:45 pm : link
In comment 13395674 Go Terps said:
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I don't think it's as easy as "Snacks is awesome so anyone can fill that spot". I thought that combo was the backbone of the team last season, and it's tough to say what the impact could be on Snacks because we haven't seen it.

I'm reminded of when Coughlin's Jaguars had the John Henderson/Marcus Stroud combo in the center of their defense. I also recall when the Eagles had Mike Patterson/Brodrick Bunkley. When you get two guys in the middle like that it can shape what opponents do on offense in a big way, and it makes average linebackers good.


Adams and Siragusa. Helped keep Lewis clean. A lot
It's malpractice to build your defense around stopping the run  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2017 6:51 pm : link
and investing so much money in Harrison, only to get him fed to double teams in run defense situations as much as possible, which is exactly what will happen if the plan is "Let Bromley start", barring a Landon Collins-like leap from JB.

Harrison is the best at what he does, but putting him in a situation where he has to split the combination block on every run play is a waste of money and time for everyone involved. A good way to get him worn down or hurt before the end of the season too.

Defenses are systems that are usually only as strong as their weakest link. Not saying pay Hankins 8-10 million, but there needs to be a plan in place in case his agent really is insane.
He may be worth that money, just not to the Giants.  
Keith : 3/16/2017 7:18 pm : link
It's a pretty big risk whether he will live up to that sort of contract. He definitely benefited being on a line with 3 premier players. The Giants can't afford to pay the 4th best player on the d-line that sort of money, especially when that player has been inconsistent in his very young career.
At some point soon,  
Keith : 3/16/2017 7:21 pm : link
he may have to do what Poe did. If we could work something out with JPP and somehow clear a few million, I'd be willing to give Hankins a 1 year 7-8 million deal.

This team is a SB caliber team, spend the money if you have it, especially if it doesn't hurt long term.
Even though I do not like signing JPP long term.....  
Dry Lightning : 3/16/2017 7:55 pm : link
if we could somehow get Hankins back after JPP does his deal in the 1 year 7-8 million range it would be an awesome off season.......with the draft to come.
We know that the defensive line and the whole defense is  
Reese's Pieces : 3/16/2017 8:47 pm : link
exceptional with Hankins in the lineup. We believe that the line and the defense will play just as well without Hankins. But we don't know that it will play just as well because we haven't seen the defense try.

The Giants defense led the league in fewest rushing yards per attempt at 3.6 yards. If, halfway through next season, we find that the Giants defense is ranked 12th in rushing yards per attempt, everyone is going to say, "I told you we shouldn't have let Hankins walk."

So there is risk in letting Hankins leave.

Only Pro Football Focus, so it says, knows for sure how valuable Hankins was last season.
Poe got $8M, so I guess that would be Hankins' ballpark.  
yatqb : 3/16/2017 11:05 pm : link
That's a lot, but the money keeps going up, so perhaps someone will give it to him. It clearly won't be us, imo.
'Asking for MORE than 10m/yr'...  
Torrag : 3/17/2017 1:02 am : link
Lulz! Delusional much?
Presume we draft DT then by round 3  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2017 7:19 am : link
and then filter him in with Bromley.

Our Dline has enough invested capital already.
Hankins asking for more than $10M...  
johnboyw : 3/17/2017 12:04 pm : link
Bye bye. Off to Cleveland.
Let Hankins Go!  
BigBlue1968 : 3/17/2017 2:23 pm : link
First and foremost, here are the facts. The Giants play an aggressive 4-3 defensive scheme. In a perfect world, we'd have a starting 1-technique run-stuffing NT paired with a starting 3-technique pass-rushing DT. Prior to the Giants signing Snacks last offseason, Hankins was the Giants 1-technique run stuffing NT, expected to command regular double teams from the center and guard. Once Snacks was signed, the Giants moved Hankins over to the 3-technique DT spot, a position he played the entire year. Problem is, Hankins did NOT play well last year in that 3-technique spot. Why? Because Hankins is NOT a penetrating 3-technique DT, someone you regularly rely upon to shoot the B gap on his side of the formation and disrupt plays in the backfield.

Pro Football Focus gave Snacks Harrison an 88.9 rating in 2016 and the best run defender of the year award. What was Hankins 2016 PFF rating? He graded out at a 47.1. Not good to say the least. Simply put, Hankins is NOT a good schematic fit playing next to Hankins in the 3-technique spot. And, there is no way in hell the Giants are going to move Snacks out of that 1-technique NT spot. Not a chance! Snacks had 49 stops against the run last year, 10 more than any other NFL defensive tackle.

So, what now? Let Hankins walk, period. He might be worth $8-10 million per year for another team looking to add a NT, but we already have Snacks. Jay Bromley, the only 3-technique DT the Giants have on their roster, finally gets his opportunity to start this year alongside Snacks. Robert Thomas, our 3rd DT is another 1-technique NT, primarily a run-stuffer who adds depth. And, its nearly a guarantee that the Giants will look to add another 3-technique DT in the upcoming draft. Someone with pass-rushing ability to disrupt plays in the backfield.

LET HANKINS GO, HE'S REPLACEABLE!
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