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The case for bringing on Johnny Manziel as a back up

chopperhatch : 3/16/2017 10:00 pm
So, I have never neen a very big Manziel fan. I always thought he didnt have the stuff to be a leader and I thought he came off as a punk. Never had I any desire to have him join the Giants. However, given that he has a career to attempt to revive, our need for a competent back up along with our lack of a desire to draft one this year and eith Eli in the last 3-5 years of his career, the Giants could have that back up and popotentially Eli's replacement (especially if he only plays 3 more years) on the roster when he leaves.

Sitting on a train and looking at the photo with him and Beckham I was reminded of Kerry Collins and his issues with booze and how the Giants gave him another chance which he turned into a pretty good career. One could make the argument that Kerry's problems exceeded what Manziel has dealt with. Kerry Collins had quite a bit more convincing to do as he had kinda been labeled a racist(yes, I know that many thought that his comments were taken out of context) by a lot of players. In addition to convincing Giants brass that he had put his drinking days behind him, he had a lot of teammates that he had to win over as well.

Say what you want about Manziel, the guy has guts and it shows in how he plays. He has the tools to be a game changer similar to Russell Wilson. He has an arm in addition to being highly mobile, but prefers to look downfield before having to run. He is the type of back up who would be a real problem if Eli went down. You game plan for a pocket passer who will go down before taking a big hit all week and then you have to deal with one who is a threat to not only run, but pick up chunks with his legs.

Another thing is Eli is someone who apparently had to have had at least a modicum of respect for as he was brought as an instuctor for the Manning passing academy. If Manziel is truly refocused, he would have a familiar face with a track record of success as a mentor who can be a fountain of knowledge for him to access whenever he pleases. The Giants have a reputation for being a great organization to be involved with and have more of a leadership structure on the team than they had the last two years.

Manziel as a back up to Eli at the right price might be exactly what he might need to become relevant again. If his recovery is anywhere near what Collins was when he joined the Giants, this team might not have to suffer a hangover after Eli after all. The carrot for Manziel is he would have the inside track on the job after Eli. Id even be willing to pay a little higher than his worth to ensure he is re-committed to his career. And if Eli's play continues to decline, he would be a more viable and interesting successor to Eli than a series of Dave Browns, Kent Grahams and Mike Cherrys. Im not completely sold on the idea, but I wouldnt be opposed the the Giants rolling the dice on this one.This with the assumption JPP gets locked up on a new deal.
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Danny Kanell : 3/16/2017 10:31 pm : link
Eric from BBI has just as good a chance of being Eli's backup as Johnny Manziel does.
If there was a perfect pro on and off the field for him to learn from  
est1986 : 3/16/2017 10:47 pm : link
It would be Eli Manning. Thats all im going to say.
Hahaha  
B in ALB : 3/16/2017 10:49 pm : link
There it is! Eli as JMs mentor. Awesome!
Huh?  
Marty866b : 3/16/2017 10:51 pm : link
Rather bring back Dave Brown. At least he won't be suspended before he ever dresses for a game.
RE: Dude is 6'1  
SimpleMan : 3/16/2017 10:52 pm : link
In comment 13395889 B in ALB said:
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right now off a four year bender of booze, drugs, unprotected sex and horrific decisions. Nfl quarterback? Let's give him a whirl? Holy shit pants.

BBI.


Boom. Also, Manziel, if you follow it or have ever seen his social media, was "sober" for about 2-3 weeks before declaring he was "clean" to the world. Sorry, but that's a tough buy when he has had several years of douchey coke-booze fueled Instagram posts. He also weighs about 180 soaking wet.
He's about 20 pounds lighter  
B in ALB : 3/16/2017 10:59 pm : link
And 2 inches shorter than my 15 year old son. Dude ain't playing in the nfl EVER.

Can't believe there is a thread on this madness.

He couldn't even win a job outright on talent in an arena league. Pure entertainment dance for me clown Bullshit.

But. Allegedly, he's living his charmed life as he sees fit. It's his life, not ours. Good for him I guess.
I was always a JF supporter  
Glover : 3/16/2017 11:26 pm : link
until the girlfriend beating. He could have caught a felony rap for that. He's a lucky dude. Im not against the guy getting another chance, but I never thought he would be more than an average to slightly above average NFL QB, best case scenario. So, he didnt light it up in Cleveland with limited opportunity, where he did show some gutty play and a genuine irritation to losing. So, what he has on video isn't damming IMO. I dunno. I wouldnt be banging the table for JF.
Woe, Jesus...  
chopperhatch : 3/16/2017 11:31 pm : link
I "made the case" for him, i didnt say I wanted it to or think its gonna happen. I simply was laying the foundation for getting behind it and it as one of those stories I wouldn't hate.

Kerry Collins' story arc showed him as having a very bad rep as a partier but established himself as an ideal NFL talent prior to his troubles. He was also thought of as a Starter. Im talking as a back up which would be better than what we have now and if there was language that could protect the team if he goes back to his old ways, its not like he could damage the lockerroom. He has no credibility as is.


It was just thought provoking, thought it would make for a better discussion than "he's a disaster." Only point was we've hosted a career redmeption before and we all know its tough to find a game changer at qb.
I'd much prefer  
CT Charlie : 3/16/2017 11:32 pm : link
Hefty Lefty.
And then draft Mixon.  
TC : 3/16/2017 11:34 pm : link
They can be drinking buddies!
Collins wasn't close to this jackass  
KWALL2 : 3/17/2017 12:06 am : link
Not close off the field.

Not close on the field.

Manziel showed up day 1 as an unprepared asshole with limited physical skills. He got himself run out of the league instantly.

Collins was an established NFL QB who put in his game prep time and energy tot an NFC champ game before his drinking became a problem. And he quickly fixed that problem.

Let's sign Manzel could be the worst idea of 2017 for any football team. There is no reason to do it.

Again, he's nothing like Collins. He's a poor mans Vince Young with less talent and bigger problems than even Young.

Just on football talent alone he's a mess.  
KWALL2 : 3/17/2017 12:09 am : link
Why the hell would we want to put the franchise in the hands of a little guy with limited talent like this. A guy who showed nothing on an NFL field. A guy who had problems recognizing open WRs even in college.

Kerry Collins was a Pro Bowler his 2nd year in the league.  
arcarsenal : 3/17/2017 12:19 am : link
He led a 12-4 team to the NFC title game.

Collins is a terrible comparison for Manziel. Collins had actual NFL success before his off-field problems de-railed his career.
I saw Kerry Collins . . . .  
TC : 3/17/2017 12:31 am : link
pan-cake a LB when a running play came back in his direction. Liked him more ever since.
RE: Collins wasn't close to this jackass  
LI NHB : 3/17/2017 12:47 am : link
In comment 13395960 KWALL2 said:
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Not close off the field.

Not close on the field.

Manziel showed up day 1 as an unprepared asshole with limited physical skills. He got himself run out of the league instantly.



This is a little silly. Unprepared? Yes, absolutely. Limited physical skills? Lol. JM is a special athlete. He's just an asshole.
bringing on Johnny Manziel  
Torrag : 3/17/2017 1:01 am : link
This can't even be considered unless he undergoes treatment and counseling for his addictions. Something he seems unwilling to even consider. So it's a non starter and not worth discussing at this time.
If you were trying for humor you failed although your title was  
Marty in Albany : 3/17/2017 1:12 am : link
Promising.
I love how everyone just forgets about Manziel domestic violence  
Mason : 3/17/2017 1:39 am : link
incidents but is outraged over holding a woman's arm to hard. Funny world.
He's special "LoL"  
KWALL2 : 3/17/2017 2:14 am : link
We're talking about NFL players, not your softball league, right? He is not close to a "special athlete" on the NFL scale. Not close.

Short. Small. Thin. Weak armed. And stupid. That doesn't get you far in life in the NFL.

His game consists of the drop back, stare at the rush, ignore primary receivers, scramble, and throw. A piss poor version of Vince Young.

That game plan doesn't work in the NFL for a special athlete like Kapernick. And this guy isn't close to that kind of athlete: not close to Young either. And he doesn't make up for it with work ethic and intelligence. He's a hack. Ryan Leaf without the arm talent or size. Hell...even Leaf lasted longer.

His off the field stuff is enough to NEVER consider the fool. His play cements it.

Anybody who thinks this guy should be on the NYG right now is either a fool or trying to make you the fool to believe it.

RE: .  
Beer Man : 3/17/2017 4:55 am : link
In comment 13395900 Danny Kanell said:
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Eric from BBI has just as good a chance of being Eli's backup as Johnny Manziel does.


I'd do it and let him play The Cowboys twice a year  
SHO'NUFF : 3/17/2017 6:43 am : link
to stick it to Jerruh...

this is of course after Eli is long gone and we're back to winning 4 games per season.
LOL  
ZogZerg : 3/17/2017 6:45 am : link
The Case For Brett Favre to be back up.....
The Case for Karpernack to be back up......
The Case for Eric of BBI to be back up.....

You can do this all day while you drink green beer.
The ONLY way we bring Manziel to this team...  
EricJ : 3/17/2017 7:18 am : link
is if the championship is decided on who puts together the best bachelor party
Honorably chopperhatch,  
section125 : 3/17/2017 7:25 am : link
are you out of your effin mind?
even if  
BlackburnBalledOut : 3/17/2017 9:18 am : link
manziel did not have the issues he has had, i would still not be interested. the kid can make some plays with his legs, did not play terribly with cleveland but i never thought he was going to be a good nfl qb. his mechanics are a little dicey and his arm strength leaves something to be desired.

i would personally look to draft a qb next year or the following year. we are only a few pieces away from another lombardi and wasting time on "whos the next qb" is not a priority right now.
Um  
Ron Johnson 30 : 3/17/2017 9:25 am : link
Is this a joke?
If  
PaulN : 3/17/2017 9:27 am : link
You want to bring in a guy for publicity, a guy who will be a huge distraction, a guy who is nothing but a headache, and a guy with no chance of ever being even a decent QB, then he is your man.
Kapernick  
PaulN : 3/17/2017 9:28 am : link
Would actually be a much better choice then this guy, as bad as that choice would be.
the case for not:  
Victor in CT : 3/17/2017 9:30 am : link
1) he's a major asshole
2) he's a major distraction
3) he isn't that good
4) 1 + 2 + being near NYC = big trouble
Johnny Manziel? JOHNNY MANZIEL?  
Klaatu : 3/17/2017 9:43 am : link
With all due respect . . .  
jeff57 : 3/17/2017 9:49 am : link
there is no case.
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Klaatu : 3/17/2017 9:51 am : link
In comment 13395889 B in ALB said:
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...a four year bender of booze, drugs, unprotected sex and horrific decisions.


You say that like it's a bad thing. For me it says...college.
Obviously chopper got an early start on his St Patties Day  
Brown Recluse : 3/17/2017 9:56 am : link
activities. :)

I don't think Johnny Manziel was as BAD in 2015 as some are saying. He's easily one of the least likeable guys we've seen over the past few years so its fun to pile on. Nothing wrong with that, until he gets his act together he deserves the ridicule he brings on himself.

I think there are some tools to work with there. But lets be realistic - its highly unlikely that he is a changed man at this point. And if he is ever going to be serious about football, it would probably be a first for him. And his window is closing fast. I doubt he'll ever be a successful NFL QB.
hey chopper  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/17/2017 10:04 am : link
I'm confudelled. Is this a new Disco Biscuit rift?

If so NFT please.

: )
chopper  
Beezer : 3/17/2017 10:12 am : link
must be messing with us. Gotta be.
While reading this original post,  
Doomster : 3/17/2017 10:13 am : link
how in the world does this guy not have a job?

He is just too good to be true....
Kerry Collins was a great QB.  
NoPeanutz : 3/17/2017 11:05 am : link
#1 pick. Had already taken his team deep into the playoffs... All a team needed to win with him was for him to keep his act together. Sure enough, he did, and the Giants won consistently with him. When the Giants brought him in, they took a chance on a proven winner.
Manziel is none of those things. There is no reason to believe that he can stay in professional shape, and even if he did, there is no reason to believe that he could replicate Collins's success.
Yeah some people are going a little overboard  
MetsAreBack : 3/17/2017 11:34 am : link
on the 'no talent' stuff

He didnt last long in the league because of his off-field bullshit. And I agree, that's reason enough not to bring him in here.

But dont act as if the guy never had any NFL talent to begin with - Manziel had a couple of decent games as a pro, and Cleveland gave him about 15 chances to clean himself up before cutting him.
An Exhaustive List of Reasons to sign Manziel as Eli's backup  
Bramton1 : 3/17/2017 12:10 pm : link
1. There aren't any.
I'd rather have Scott Brunner  
HoustonGiant : 3/17/2017 12:15 pm : link
at his current age
Well, we are apparently going Geno instead  
MetsAreBack : 3/17/2017 12:20 pm : link
lol.
Jerry Jones wanted to draft him  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 3/17/2017 12:50 pm : link
Unfortunately, he was talked out of it, and they drafted Zack Martin instead.
Jerry Jones wanted to draft him  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 3/17/2017 12:51 pm : link
Unfortunately, he was talked out of it, and they drafted Zack Martin instead.
Jerry Jones  
RobCrossRiver56 : 3/17/2017 1:35 pm : link
picked a hell of a day to give up drinking
What an annoying, look-at-me thread.  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/17/2017 1:36 pm : link
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He's a talented kid  
David in LA : 3/17/2017 1:39 pm : link
but he's got to earn his way back in the league. Go to the CFL and rebuild your equity.
RE: What an annoying, look-at-me thread.  
chopperhatch : 3/17/2017 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13396814 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Huh? I think your definition of a "look-at-me thread is off. Plus you can always choose to not click on it you little cunt.


For the rest of you, obviously this thread didnt materialize into anything resembling a good discussion. But I am not in any way trying hint that its a move I want the Giants to make. Of course I would assume that some kind of ongoing treatment for him would be a requirement to his getting the deal. I just think the story, if he did walk the straight and narrow and got himself back into consideration for another starting gig would be an interwsting one after the success with KC.

But yes, its a lot more fun to read thread after thread bitching about the linemen we didnt sign or why Hankins hasnt re-signed yet and to call me drunk for considering this.

case closed  
spike : 3/17/2017 5:11 pm : link
Geno and Josh just ended this fascination with Manziel.
The best I'd do for Manziel is bring him to camp  
Ira : 3/18/2017 12:22 pm : link
with a non-guaranteed contract.
RE: RE: What an annoying, look-at-me thread.  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/18/2017 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13397421 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13396814 Mike in Long Beach said:


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Huh? I think your definition of a "look-at-me thread is off. Plus you can always choose to not click on it you little cunt.


For the rest of you, obviously this thread didnt materialize into anything resembling a good discussion. But I am not in any way trying hint that its a move I want the Giants to make. Of course I would assume that some kind of ongoing treatment for him would be a requirement to his getting the deal. I just think the story, if he did walk the straight and narrow and got himself back into consideration for another starting gig would be an interwsting one after the success with KC.

But yes, its a lot more fun to read thread after thread bitching about the linemen we didnt sign or why Hankins hasnt re-signed yet and to call me drunk for considering this.



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