NFT: How dangerous is North Korea?

for them to use a nuke? Can understand why they would want the ability as a precaution but if they preemptively were to use it they would be wiped off the map.

dangerous than Iran.

In comment 13396246 Josh in the City said:

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for them to use a nuke? Can understand why they would want the ability as a precaution but if they preemptively were to use it they would be wiped off the map.

Let's hope he's rational to the point of understanding that.

that they pull us into a larger conflict with China.

in mass parade competitions.

Other than that, they are a joke, led by a guy with a bad haircut who can't seem to get missiles to even work properly.

how dangerous can we be with current leadership in regards to N. Korea???

they have nukes. they have rocket artillery that can reach Seoul. They live in an information bubble and are run by a maniac who kills family members with howitzers.

I agree they are far more dangerous than Iran. I think small scale Iran is dangerous (destabilizing and material support to terrorists and other bad guys), but bigger scale I dont think Iran is gonna conventionally invade anyone or deploy a nuke unprovoked.

I believe that the risk re both countries is that they're scared shitless, not that they have ambitions that would lead to nuclear attacks.

I assume we have them on lock down.

Less dangerous than Iran in terms of comprehensive risk. Iran seeks hegemony in a region and perhaps an even wider part of the world. North Korea wants to be paid off.

be big brother in this situation?

they are broke as shit. They do this song and dance where they shoot off rockets, and its an actual money ploy. They do it, countries actually give them money to stop fucking around, and the go on being pretty much broke.

that they can potentially kill far too many of our allies citizens in one crazy move. And the other danger is if the US responds and takes serious military action against them, China likely gets involved and then we're right in the middle of war again.

& they're hell-bent on developing weapons to reach the mainland of the US, I'd consider them dangerous.

Now, do I actually think they're crazy enough to attack us? I don't think so. They know it'd result in their complete & utter destruction. North Korea wants $ & they are like a three year old in the sense that they cause a tantrum if they don't think they're getting enough attention.

It'd be nice for China to do more and, to Beijing's credit, they have recently, but they don't want a destabilized North Korea. Their borders would collapse & they sure as hell don't want a stronger US presence in Asia.

then they are not very dangerous. They do not come out ahead in either a limited nuclear exchange or a widespread conventional war.

However, it is not clear that all parties ARE acting in the rational self interest that underpins the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction. Say what you want about the chilling insanity of it, MAD has kept the world largely stable and free of major open conflict between nuclear powers.

This is very important, because even if we did a preemptive strike (as is being threatened) the strike on Seoul by NK would happen immediately..........

they are using the nuclear threat as leverage. They just need to hurt US's closest allies which would trigger actions by the US. The other possibility is, Kim Jong Un could act as a nothing-to-lose scenario and apply a scorched earth strategy. This actually could draw multiple countries into the fray and put China in a position to either fight the US or stand down. Attacking the US directly with a long range missile is suicide, they won't damage the US enough without being annihilated.

In comment 13396262 BillKo said:

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how dangerous can we be with current leadership in regards to N. Korea???

Shut up

but I saw a documentary recently about a surgeon who goes to N. Korea to do eyesight restoration surgery. When the N. Koreans regained their vision after removing the bandages, they all dropped to their knees and thanked the Dear Leader for curing them.

I was like WTF? The surgeon cured them, not the little fat fucker. These people are severely brainwashed and should be considered highly dangerous. Think Manson family type bat shit crazy.

miscalculation, as opposed to intentional attack, would be most likely start of armed conflict.

should be pitied, they are indoctrinated into a culture where the head of State is deified. Those who eventually escape NK, have their eyes opened and are dismayed at the propaganda and lies they were told. That being said, even they (escaped North Koreans) have a soft spot in their hearts for their leaders like Kim Jong Un, it runs that deep.

That the US and North Korea are on a path to war. I don't think they said that for any other reason than to bring attention to the issue.

I find that very likely as well. Unpopular administrations benefit politically from creating "conflicts" that we can "win", and North Korea fits the bill perfectly

I don't think North Korea is very dangerous. They would be annihilated before they could inflict harm on us.

they will have a nuclear-tipped ICBM capable of reaching the West Coast. The bomb technology is 70 years old and the missile technology 50 years old. Not hard to obtain.

The fact that we can retaliate and obliterate North Korea does not make an attack impossible because their leaders care nothing about their population. Germany and Japan let almost every city be obliterated by bombing along with the destruction of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Even after it was clear that those wars had been lost, they would not end the war to save their populations.

When the US nukes are launched in retaliation, its mentally unstable leadership will be safe miles underground or, more likely, far away from North Korea.

they will have a nuclear-tipped ICBM capable of reaching the West Coast. The bomb technology is 70 years old and the missile technology 50 years old. Not hard to obtain.

The fact that we can retaliate and obliterate North Korea does not make an attack impossible because their leaders care nothing about their population. Germany and Japan let almost every city be obliterated by bombing along with the destruction of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Even after it was clear that those wars had been lost, they would not end the war to save their populations.

When the US nukes are launched in retaliation, its mentally unstable leadership will be safe miles underground or, more likely, far away from North Korea.

If we nuked them back then it could escalate. They are crazy and may think they don't a lot to lose. A nuclear war may even the playing field for them.

They live in a system that appears crazy to us, but given the system - essentially a hegemony - they are behaving rationally.

We said similar things about Saddam Hussein. But his path to war was a series of rational decisions that he had to make in order to stay in power. He correctly surmised that losing power would be his demise. And he was rational enough to wind up hiding in a little bunker in an attempt to survive after he lost that power.

on South Korea, including US troops, before annihilation

people want to ascribe rationality to NK, maybe because the crazy truth is just too damn unsettling.

for all those who don't think we need to constantly upgrade our own military tech...realy?....really?

I say upgrade the fucking hell out of our tech

You will be executed if Kim Jung says so.

How are you going to behave? Like a westerner who has a Bill of Rights? Or perhaps a little differently, even if it appears irrational to others?

we can't beat them with what we got?

and their forced ignorance of the outside world.

The behavior of the leaders is irrational.

Take a look at a satellite view of the Korean peninsula at night and think about the fact that this is a nuclear armed nation...

A multi-user video game produces a map of the locations of all the worlds players. Totalling several million players, and I'm sorry I can't remember the name of the game....

When you look at the Korean Peninsula on this map, there are millions of dots representing players in South Korea. When you look at the entire country of North Korea, there is only one dot. Its located in Pyongyang, and is widely presumed to be Kim Jung. He's the only one permitted to play in his country.

Aside from their ability to target the US eventually, they could target our allies pretty soon and we could get dragged into a conflict soon even by accident. It's dangerous in they they could sell the technology and means to terroists or terroist nations if they're not doing that already. And it's dangerous because who we have calling the shots in Washington not that prior administrations did well with North Korea

In comment 13396389 NNJ Tom said:

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but I saw a documentary recently about a surgeon who goes to N. Korea to do eyesight restoration surgery. When the N. Koreans regained their vision after removing the bandages, they all dropped to their knees and thanked the Dear Leader for curing them. I was like WTF? The surgeon cured them, not the little fat fucker. These people are severely brainwashed and should be considered highly dangerous. Think Manson family type bat shit crazy.

Brainwashed, or aware that if they don't do something like that they may end up strapped to an artillery piece during an exercise ?

In comment 13396680 Samiam said:

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... they could target our allies pretty soon ...

Pretty soon? They can hit South Korea with a rock. And they already proved they can hit Japan as well.

In comment 13396262 BillKo said:

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how dangerous can we be with current leadership in regards to N. Korea???

AH. It took 3 posts before some jackhole went US Politics on this and gets it deleted.

Over under was 2.

In comment 13396256 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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in mass parade competitions. Other than that, they are a joke, led by a guy with a bad haircut who can't seem to get missiles to even work properly.

The reason they haven't been able to get the missiles to work is b/c of US cyber warfare.

I think they are legit crazy. Could fire off an ICBM, then invade South Korea. A lot depends on the Chinese getting them in line.
Cyber Warfare - ( New Window )

They successfully test fired a submarine launched a ballistic missile last summer.

They are not to be fucked with and if you aren't concerned, you aren't paying attention.

This is a legit threat that could well evolve into a major problem.


North Korea test fires ballistic missile from submarine - ( New Window )

Of course they're extremely dangerous.

I don't think most people understand the brutality of the North Korean regime. They are perhaps the most brutal and cruel regime on the planet. And I don't think that's a hyperbolic or politically charged statement. They may not be the menace to the rest of the world that Iran seems to me to be, but I think the North Korean's a far more repressive and brutal to their own people. Very sick stuff goes on over there.

However, the Chinese could crush North Korea at their whim. The problem for the West is that even if the Chinese decided to end the North Korean regime, it would problem still only occur at the great expense of the South Korean people.

And, as other's have pointed out, there's no safety for anyone in a lunatic regime with nuclear weapons.

Why don't you think for a minute before you post like that? Leaving aside how you feel about our politics, there is a new administration with less than 2 months in office dealing with North Korea and dealing with a boatload of issues some legitimate and some manufactured. How the hell is that not relevant ?

In comment 13396831 Samiam said:

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Why don't you think for a minute before you post like that? Leaving aside how you feel about our politics, there is a new administration with less than 2 months in office dealing with North Korea and dealing with a boatload of issues some legitimate and some manufactured. How the hell is that not relevant ?

Because this is BBI, and we don't do politics.

You can't talk about Trump and North Korea without it becoming political.

So don't.

In comment 13396831 Samiam said:

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Why don't you think for a minute before you post like that? Leaving aside how you feel about our politics, there is a new administration with less than 2 months in office dealing with North Korea and dealing with a boatload of issues some legitimate and some manufactured. How the hell is that not relevant ?

Because his intent was not as benign as you suggest, and would lead to deletion if responded to.

Talking about North Korea and ignoring what you apparently want to ignore would be like talking about the super bowl and ignoring the Falcon's play calling in the 4th quarter. That said, I'm done with the thread; it should not be deleted

In comment 13396362 Gmen1982 said:

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In comment 13396262 BillKo said: Quote: how dangerous can we be with current leadership in regards to N. Korea??? Shut up

LOL...it's a valid question IMO.

In comment 13396715 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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In comment 13396262 BillKo said: Quote: how dangerous can we be with current leadership in regards to N. Korea??? AH. It took 3 posts before some jackhole went US Politics on this and gets it deleted. Over under was 2.

How is this thread not political?

to launch a nuke...but how willing are they to sell nuclear info/expertise/hardware to some other nut jobs

In comment 13396831 Samiam said:

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Why don't you think for a minute before you post like that? Leaving aside how you feel about our politics, there is a new administration with less than 2 months in office dealing with North Korea and dealing with a boatload of issues some legitimate and some manufactured. How the hell is that not relevant ?

Thanks...........

In comment 13396873 BillKo said:

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In comment 13396715 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: In comment 13396262 BillKo said: Quote: how dangerous can we be with current leadership in regards to N. Korea??? AH. It took 3 posts before some jackhole went US Politics on this and gets it deleted. Over under was 2. How is this thread not political?

I think you can discuss how dangerous a foreign power is without being political. It just takes effort.

and you're telling me it's not political? Politics is a huge part of it.

And I love how my intent can be read........

North Korea is a threat, but they are a bigger threat to Japan, South Korea and China than they are to us. Why China ? Because if N Korea takes does something that demands a military response, there will be allied troops parked in China's back yard for an indefinite period and a stream of N Korean refugees into China.

Also, I would trust China's intelligence concerning N. Korea more than I would trust U.S. intelligence.