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Hearing Jason Pierre-Paul is expected at #Giants facility at some point today, so, again, agreement is in place. Anticipated signing to come
Is saying the numbers that are out there aren't accurate. Plus everybody needs to stop looking at the 17 million a year number. It's fake. Guaranteed money is the only thing that matters.
Yet again, you're wrong. The non-guaranteed matters also as long as he's on the roster and under contract. I don't know why you seem to think that players only get paid the guaranteed portion.
Because he's probably never going to see the end of the contract. Just like most free agent signings in the NFL.
Tom RockVerified account @TomRock_Newsday 22s22 seconds ago
JPP is the first 1st round pick by GM Jerry Reese to get a second long-term deal with the team.
Technically true, but also some lousy injury luck with David Wilson and Kenny Phillips in there.
If you look through the list, you can't really point to any mistakes on not re-signing guys, and it's virtually all due to injury:
Wilson, Amukamara, Nicks, Phillips, and Ross are the players in question.
And based on the beat reporters', it sounds like that percentage is about to be changed significantly: Pugh, Beckham, and Apple all seem to be ripe for second contracts (unless they too fall the way of ill-health). Flowers is still in limbo.
Is saying the numbers that are out there aren't accurate. Plus everybody needs to stop looking at the 17 million a year number. It's fake. Guaranteed money is the only thing that matters.
Yet again, you're wrong. The non-guaranteed matters also as long as he's on the roster and under contract. I don't know why you seem to think that players only get paid the guaranteed portion.
Because he's probably never going to see the end of the contract. Just like most free agent signings in the NFL.
Not to mention bonuses & incentives. We have no clue how that's broken down. Everytime we first see a contract it looks huge. Then the actual numbers come out and it isn't nearly as big as originally thought.
Tom RockVerified account @TomRock_Newsday 22s22 seconds ago
JPP is the first 1st round pick by GM Jerry Reese to get a second long-term deal with the team.
Technically true, but also some lousy injury luck with David Wilson and Kenny Phillips in there.
If you look through the list, you can't really point to any mistakes on not re-signing guys, and it's virtually all due to injury:
Wilson, Amukamara, Nicks, Phillips, and Ross are the players in question.
And based on the beat reporters', it sounds like that percentage is about to be changed significantly: Pugh, Beckham, and Apple all seem to be ripe for second contracts (unless they too fall the way of ill-health). Flowers is still in limbo.
Ross just wasn't that good IMO. He was an ok pick. Steve Smith wasn't a first, but still, he should have been a Giant for a long time.
Has made some bad draft picks, especially in the later rounds, but everyone does, the problem recently of coarse is the offensive line, and with Eli as the franchise QB and him getting older now, it is imperative to have a good offensive line.
But overall Reese has done a decent job, the biggest problem overall has been injuries, no doubt there has been too much bad luck. But we have to hope that the luck has changed and hope that Flowers works hard, which I doubt he has, and that Fluker works his ass off, if that happens and Pugh and Richburg improve a little and stay healthy, who knows, maybe we can make it 3 for 3 against the pats, we are the only ones that seem to be capable of beating them.
isn't an idiot. He's going to protect himself and the organization. My guess is that they have some kind of "out" after two or maybe three years, just as Eli's career is ending. This is done to give us one final chance at a SB with these players before their careers end, and to not undue the $200M we spent on defense last year.
Hope he can hold up these next 4 years. I am happy it's 4 years and not a day more than that, at least. Still, alot of money. Hope he can get home alittle more often next season.
Didn't Raanan recently say they weren't close on a deal?
Well, maybe season ticket holders will have to pay some.
It's not even the owners' money, at least not out of pocket. The Giants annual revenue is almost a half a billion dollars and under two hundred thousand goes to the cost of players. The owners are already wealthy and they want to win just as much as the fans.
Besides JPP's sacks, it's also his batted down passes and the help that Vernon, on the other side of the line, gets because they can't double both ends. Vernon had only a half a sack in the last five games of the season without JPP, including Green Bay.
It's a gamble that his health and productivity stay high, but you gamble on all the players. If you want to stop Brady and Rodgers, you have to have pressure on them. If you want to stop Dak and Zeke, and win at least one against the 'Boys, you have to have players equally good lined up against them.
I'm already excited about seeing this defense back on the field.
Is saying the numbers that are out there aren't accurate. Plus everybody needs to stop looking at the 17 million a year number. It's fake. Guaranteed money is the only thing that matters.
Yet again, you're wrong. The non-guaranteed matters also as long as he's on the roster and under contract. I don't know why you seem to think that players only get paid the guaranteed portion.
Because he's probably never going to see the end of the contract. Just like most free agent signings in the NFL.
Not to mention bonuses & incentives. We have no clue how that's broken down. Everytime we first see a contract it looks huge. Then the actual numbers come out and it isn't nearly as big as originally thought.
Doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. It's not just the guaranteed dollars that matter. Milton did a good job of detailing how the first three years of a large multiyear contract are the most important thing, much more than the guaranteed/non-guaranteed breakdown.
Well, maybe season ticket holders will have to pay some.
It's not even the owners' money, at least not out of pocket. The Giants annual revenue is almost a half a billion dollars and under two hundred thousand goes to the cost of players. The owners are already wealthy and they want to win just as much as the fans.
Besides JPP's sacks, it's also his batted down passes and the help that Vernon, on the other side of the line, gets because they can't double both ends. Vernon had only a half a sack in the last five games of the season without JPP, including Green Bay.
It's a gamble that his health and productivity stay high, but you gamble on all the players. If you want to stop Brady and Rodgers, you have to have pressure on them. If you want to stop Dak and Zeke, and win at least one against the 'Boys, you have to have players equally good lined up against them.
I'm already excited about seeing this defense back on the field.
You're completely missing the point as to why fans sometimes are unhappy with contracts given to players. Completely missing the point.
Mobile app had the 17 per and 54 gtd earlier. I didnt screenshot it tho
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Is not reporting any figures, only saying what we already heard.
Mobile app had the 17 per and 54 gtd earlier. I didnt screenshot it tho
I was seeing the same thing earlier.
Hearing Jason Pierre-Paul is expected at #Giants facility at some point today, so, again, agreement is in place. Anticipated signing to come
No risk with Geno. He could be as temporary as Josh Freeman was.
JPP is the first 1st round pick by GM Jerry Reese to get a second long-term deal with the team.
Thanks Slade. Have you heard if they are going to focus on any particular FA now that they cleared some cap room>
Hearing Jason Pierre-Paul is expected at #Giants facility at some point today, so, again, agreement is in place. Anticipated signing to come
JPP is the first 1st round pick by GM Jerry Reese to get a second long-term deal with the team.
That is wild, a lot of guys unlucky with injuries, but still.
JPP is the first 1st round pick by GM Jerry Reese to get a second long-term deal with the team.
Technically true, but also some lousy injury luck with David Wilson and Kenny Phillips in there.
JPP is the first 1st round pick by GM Jerry Reese to get a second long-term deal with the team.
It's so messed up that our 1st guy to get a 2nd long term deal blew up his hand. We had unusually shitty luck.
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Tom RockVerified account @TomRock_Newsday 22s22 seconds ago
JPP is the first 1st round pick by GM Jerry Reese to get a second long-term deal with the team.
Technically true, but also some lousy injury luck with David Wilson and Kenny Phillips in there.
And Nicks
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Is saying the numbers that are out there aren't accurate. Plus everybody needs to stop looking at the 17 million a year number. It's fake. Guaranteed money is the only thing that matters.
Yet again, you're wrong. The non-guaranteed matters also as long as he's on the roster and under contract. I don't know why you seem to think that players only get paid the guaranteed portion.
Because he's probably never going to see the end of the contract. Just like most free agent signings in the NFL.
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Tom RockVerified account @TomRock_Newsday 22s22 seconds ago
JPP is the first 1st round pick by GM Jerry Reese to get a second long-term deal with the team.
Technically true, but also some lousy injury luck with David Wilson and Kenny Phillips in there.
If you look through the list, you can't really point to any mistakes on not re-signing guys, and it's virtually all due to injury:
Wilson, Amukamara, Nicks, Phillips, and Ross are the players in question.
And based on the beat reporters', it sounds like that percentage is about to be changed significantly: Pugh, Beckham, and Apple all seem to be ripe for second contracts (unless they too fall the way of ill-health). Flowers is still in limbo.
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Is saying the numbers that are out there aren't accurate. Plus everybody needs to stop looking at the 17 million a year number. It's fake. Guaranteed money is the only thing that matters.
Yet again, you're wrong. The non-guaranteed matters also as long as he's on the roster and under contract. I don't know why you seem to think that players only get paid the guaranteed portion.
Because he's probably never going to see the end of the contract. Just like most free agent signings in the NFL.
Not to mention bonuses & incentives. We have no clue how that's broken down. Everytime we first see a contract it looks huge. Then the actual numbers come out and it isn't nearly as big as originally thought.
JPP is the first 1st round pick by GM Jerry Reese to get a second long-term deal with the team.
You think that factor has to weigh a bit on Reese's decision to stay committed to him over the years.
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Tom RockVerified account @TomRock_Newsday 22s22 seconds ago
JPP is the first 1st round pick by GM Jerry Reese to get a second long-term deal with the team.
Technically true, but also some lousy injury luck with David Wilson and Kenny Phillips in there.
If you look through the list, you can't really point to any mistakes on not re-signing guys, and it's virtually all due to injury:
Wilson, Amukamara, Nicks, Phillips, and Ross are the players in question.
And based on the beat reporters', it sounds like that percentage is about to be changed significantly: Pugh, Beckham, and Apple all seem to be ripe for second contracts (unless they too fall the way of ill-health). Flowers is still in limbo.
Ross just wasn't that good IMO. He was an ok pick. Steve Smith wasn't a first, but still, he should have been a Giant for a long time.
But overall Reese has done a decent job, the biggest problem overall has been injuries, no doubt there has been too much bad luck. But we have to hope that the luck has changed and hope that Flowers works hard, which I doubt he has, and that Fluker works his ass off, if that happens and Pugh and Richburg improve a little and stay healthy, who knows, maybe we can make it 3 for 3 against the pats, we are the only ones that seem to be capable of beating them.
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Tom RockVerified account @TomRock_Newsday 22s22 seconds ago
JPP is the first 1st round pick by GM Jerry Reese to get a second long-term deal with the team.
Technically true, but also some lousy injury luck with David Wilson and Kenny Phillips in there.
Hakeem nicks and prince anukamara as well.
Yeah. He also said BMarsh wouldn't be signed here.
I think that was over a week ago.
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He was 100% off then...
Yeah. He also said BMarsh wouldn't be signed here.
He's been nailing it!
It's not even the owners' money, at least not out of pocket. The Giants annual revenue is almost a half a billion dollars and under two hundred thousand goes to the cost of players. The owners are already wealthy and they want to win just as much as the fans.
Besides JPP's sacks, it's also his batted down passes and the help that Vernon, on the other side of the line, gets because they can't double both ends. Vernon had only a half a sack in the last five games of the season without JPP, including Green Bay.
It's a gamble that his health and productivity stay high, but you gamble on all the players. If you want to stop Brady and Rodgers, you have to have pressure on them. If you want to stop Dak and Zeke, and win at least one against the 'Boys, you have to have players equally good lined up against them.
I'm already excited about seeing this defense back on the field.
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In comment 13396823 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13396627 Big Rick in FL said:
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Is saying the numbers that are out there aren't accurate. Plus everybody needs to stop looking at the 17 million a year number. It's fake. Guaranteed money is the only thing that matters.
Yet again, you're wrong. The non-guaranteed matters also as long as he's on the roster and under contract. I don't know why you seem to think that players only get paid the guaranteed portion.
Because he's probably never going to see the end of the contract. Just like most free agent signings in the NFL.
Not to mention bonuses & incentives. We have no clue how that's broken down. Everytime we first see a contract it looks huge. Then the actual numbers come out and it isn't nearly as big as originally thought.
Doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. It's not just the guaranteed dollars that matter. Milton did a good job of detailing how the first three years of a large multiyear contract are the most important thing, much more than the guaranteed/non-guaranteed breakdown.
It's not even the owners' money, at least not out of pocket. The Giants annual revenue is almost a half a billion dollars and under two hundred thousand goes to the cost of players. The owners are already wealthy and they want to win just as much as the fans.
Besides JPP's sacks, it's also his batted down passes and the help that Vernon, on the other side of the line, gets because they can't double both ends. Vernon had only a half a sack in the last five games of the season without JPP, including Green Bay.
It's a gamble that his health and productivity stay high, but you gamble on all the players. If you want to stop Brady and Rodgers, you have to have pressure on them. If you want to stop Dak and Zeke, and win at least one against the 'Boys, you have to have players equally good lined up against them.
I'm already excited about seeing this defense back on the field.
You're completely missing the point as to why fans sometimes are unhappy with contracts given to players. Completely missing the point.