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kelsto811 : 3/17/2017 11:43 am
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Giants expected to sign former Jets QB Geno Smith, per @JordanRaanan and me. Smith and Brandon Marshall teammates again.
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Meh, most backup QBs are terrible. Geno's no different.  
Heisenberg : 3/17/2017 1:52 pm : link
McAdoo knows a bit about QB-ing and if he's on board with trying to salvage Geno, who am I to argue?
Uh,  
Doomster : 3/17/2017 1:52 pm : link
'except when they wasted a fourth rounder on Nassib'...
Torrag : 12:40 pm : link : reply
...so true.

It was a 4th AND a 6th.....
I don't hate this pick up  
Rjanyg : 3/17/2017 1:59 pm : link
The cards were stacked against him for 2 reasons:1. Rex was his head coach and 2. He played for the Jets. He will improve with a better team knowing he is the backup QB.
Part of developing a QB is giving him an environment to thrive  
David in LA : 3/17/2017 2:01 pm : link
and develop. I don't think the Jets was a good place for anybody to develop. He is a talented guy. What do we really lose here with this signing? He's better than Nassib by a mile.
RE: The starting QB gets punched in the face  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/17/2017 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13396699 averagejoe said:
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in the locker room and not a single teammate defends him. This is all we need to know about Geno.

He can run. Apart from that he is a turnover machine with a bad attitude.

Please tell me this is a joke.


He can run based on what, exactly?

Look, this will probably spiral the thread out of control, but just because he's black doesn't mean he's a running QB.
Better be for vet minimum.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/17/2017 2:03 pm : link
He sucks.
Geno looked good last year  
adamg : 3/17/2017 2:07 pm : link
And then he got hurt immediately. He only was allowed a short rope as a starter. As a 2nd round pick he was given two seasons as a starter, showed improvement but the team lost more, and so he was replaced by Fitzpatrick.

I like this signing. He's young and has potential.

But, for many BBIers, I guess we only should have gone out and signed Tom Brady...
This is a decent move...  
Chris684 : 3/17/2017 2:12 pm : link
What is the risk exactly?

The reward is a guy with some physical tools (size, arm strength, toughness) is able to figure out the rest of the position surrounded by an offensive-minded HC and a hall of fame level starter.

I actually like the idea.
They signed the other guy too...  
BillKo : 3/17/2017 2:14 pm : link
so I assume he'll have to make the team.

Hey, make a change of scenery is good for him..........
He's never going to start a game with us.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/17/2017 2:15 pm : link
Why is it a big deal if he figures the game out while a Giant? Some of you guys are weird.
How do you know Dave?  
Chris684 : 3/17/2017 2:18 pm : link
What is so weird about thinking this could actually be a good move?
Besides his well-documented problems,  
81_Great_Dane : 3/17/2017 2:23 pm : link
I think Geno's been unlucky. The Jets are terrible at developing QBs, the organization has been unstable, he hasn't had good leadership. And yeah, he was a dick and played badly when he got the chance.

I think there's a lot of luck in the career of NFL QBs. If the Jets or Browns had drafted Tom Brady instead of the Patriots, would he have become the guy we've seen? He wasn't a blue-chip prospect, he needed development, and he landed in just the right spot. He was lucky.

Some guys screw up their own careers, like Ryan Leaf, and Kerry Collins in Carolina, and Johnny Manziel. We all know those guys. On the other hand, I think we can all think of blue-chip prospects whose development got botched, or who ended up on lousy teams that hurt their development. David Carr was wrecked by all those sacks early in his career. Long ago, Jim Plunkett was a former #1 overall pick (by the Patriots) who was a reclamation project by the time he got to Oakland. Unlucky early, lucky late. Roethlisberger was luckier than Rivers. Phil Simms was unlucky early, both with injuries and Bill Parcells choosing Scott Brunner to start ahead of him. (One of the few truly boneheaded moves Parcells made.)

Now Geno moves from the mess that is the Jets to the Giants, where he has zero pressure and nobody is looking at him for leadership. He has Eli Manning to teach him work habits, how to break down film, etc. If things go well he might have a few years to understudy and get superbly prepared to be Eli's successor. He has a stable organization and a strong head coach who seems to be on the rise. The team is pretty good. There's a winning culture, even if the team hasn't had a lot of winning seasons since the last Super Bowl run.

This is Geno finally getting a little lucky. He has good physical tools. Can he truly master the position?

If he can't succeed with the Giants, he probably can't succeed, period. But if he's learned from his travails of the last few years, he could surprise us all.
Because he's a backup whose been in the league  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/17/2017 2:23 pm : link
for years and has shown that he sucks time and time again, along with being unprofessional.

Yeah, great signing.
If Eli were to get hurt, and you are a legitimate playoff team  
Bob in Newburgh : 3/17/2017 2:24 pm : link
Geno will win some games for you.

And he creates some real defensive problems for you. If you get into the red zone, you must not only account for him, but you have to account for him with someone who has speed and agility
One of our red zone problems is that defenses do not have to account for Eli.

This is a good situation for Geno. Statistical odds are against him at this stage of his career, but it is hard to imagine a worse QB development structure than what he had with the Jets.
Geno's stat line for his first 866 NFL attempts...  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/17/2017 2:26 pm : link
...isn't all that different from Eli's. Smith's is better by many measures, especially if you include Manning's shitshow in the 2005 playoffs.

Do I want Geno Smith taking meaningful snaps at QB for the Giants? Hell no. But he's a 26-year-old quarterback with a fair amount of physical ability, plus some valuable game experience. Would you prefer Josh "Zero pass attempts since 2011" Johnson backing up our 35-year-old starter?

Should be signed shortly  
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JPP is in the building with the Giants. Just waiting on that signature.
We tend to have good luck with ex Jets  
spike : 3/17/2017 2:28 pm : link
Cruz, Snacks, Steve Weatherford, MacKenzie. Now Brandon Marshall and Geno Smith.

Marshall must have said some good things about Geno, who is his workout partner
RE: If Eli were to get hurt, and you are a legitimate playoff team  
David in LA : 3/17/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13396937 Bob in Newburgh said:
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Geno will win some games for you.

And he creates some real defensive problems for you. If you get into the red zone, you must not only account for him, but you have to account for him with someone who has speed and agility
One of our red zone problems is that defenses do not have to account for Eli.

This is a good situation for Geno. Statistical odds are against him at this stage of his career, but it is hard to imagine a worse QB development structure than what he had with the Jets.


He's not a running QB.
RE: We tend to have good luck with ex Jets  
Brown Recluse : 3/17/2017 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13396952 spike said:
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Cruz, Snacks, Steve Weatherford, MacKenzie. Now Brandon Marshall and Geno Smith.

Marshall must have said some good things about Geno, who is his workout partner


The whole Victor Cruz Jets thing is a perfect example of proof by assertion.
RE: We tend to have good luck with ex Jets  
Victor in CT : 3/17/2017 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13396952 spike said:
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Cruz, Snacks, Steve Weatherford, MacKenzie. Now Brandon Marshall and Geno Smith.

Marshall must have said some good things about Geno, who is his workout partner


Cruz IS NOT AN EX JET. FUUUUUUCK! What is with you people?
Geno  
AcidTest : 3/17/2017 2:33 pm : link
Smith is horrific.

The Jets are dysfunctional, and Geno tore an ACL, but he's had plenty of time to prove himself. The Jets also had a very good defense for several years. And yes, I'd much rather have Johnson than Smith. Several teams wanted Johnson last season as a backup IIRC. Nobody this year wants Smith.
fml...  
ArcadeSlumlord : 3/17/2017 2:35 pm : link
Damontre Moore and Ryan Nassib - two of the worst back to back picks ever made by Reese that early in the draft. Shoulda went Jordan Reed / Landry Jones or something. I dont get the Geno signing.
RE: RE: We tend to have good luck with ex Jets  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/17/2017 2:37 pm : link
Victor in CT said:
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Cruz IS NOT AN EX JET. FUUUUUUCK! What is with you people?

I've been reading about things... I think you're going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks. ;o)
re: Smith, good signing  
idiotsavant : 3/17/2017 2:41 pm : link
Jason Pierre Paul, Snacks, Vernon and Co. need someone that they can give the beat down to in practice, ...without feeling too bad!

Think people, THINK!

;-)
RE: Geno  
Klaatu : 3/17/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13396968 AcidTest said:
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Smith is horrific.




Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Acid?
AcidTest: I don't think there was much of a market for Josh Johnson.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/17/2017 2:47 pm : link
AcidTest said:
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...And yes, I'd much rather have Johnson than Smith. Several teams wanted Johnson last season as a backup IIRC. Nobody this year wants Smith.
It doesn't appear that many teams wanted Johnson last summer, judging by the one-year qualifying contract he signed with the Giants on September 5th. Maybe there was competition for his services when he signed with the Ravens, but I doubt it. He faced an uphill climb to unseat Mallett as their #2, so Baltimore was hardly an ideal destination. And by the time they cut him, a vet-min deal was his only option.

Really, we're debating the relative culinary merits of a plate of worms vs. a bowl of cockroaches. More evidence that the offseason is too long.
Finally, we have  
5BowlsSoon : 3/17/2017 2:48 pm : link
The next Eli is in the house, and his friends call him, GEEEEEEEENO!
RE: RE: The starting QB gets punched in the face  
averagejoe : 3/17/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13396886 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13396699 averagejoe said:


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in the locker room and not a single teammate defends him. This is all we need to know about Geno.

He can run. Apart from that he is a turnover machine with a bad attitude.

Please tell me this is a joke.



He can run based on what, exactly?

Look, this will probably spiral the thread out of control, but just because he's black doesn't mean he's a running QB.


Only an ass clown would make an innocent comment a racial issue. You can fuck of now junior.
everytime  
Paulie Walnuts : 3/17/2017 2:52 pm : link
I watched Geno, I was unimpressed
except for his big arm

hope Mac can fix this guy

RE: RE: RE: The starting QB gets punched in the face  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/17/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13397021 averagejoe said:
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In comment 13396886 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13396699 averagejoe said:


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in the locker room and not a single teammate defends him. This is all we need to know about Geno.

He can run. Apart from that he is a turnover machine with a bad attitude.

Please tell me this is a joke.



He can run based on what, exactly?

Look, this will probably spiral the thread out of control, but just because he's black doesn't mean he's a running QB.



Only an ass clown would make an innocent comment a racial issue. You can fuck of now junior.


Nah, pipe down. You're the one that made a know-nothing assumption based entirely on race.
RE: RE: RE: The starting QB gets punched in the face  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/17/2017 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13397021 averagejoe said:
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In comment 13396886 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13396699 averagejoe said:


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in the locker room and not a single teammate defends him. This is all we need to know about Geno.

He can run. Apart from that he is a turnover machine with a bad attitude.

Please tell me this is a joke.



He can run based on what, exactly?

Look, this will probably spiral the thread out of control, but just because he's black doesn't mean he's a running QB.



Only an ass clown would make an innocent comment a racial issue. You can fuck of now junior.


Nah, pipe down. You're the one that made a know-nothing assumption based entirely on race.
Ten Ton Hammer: He actually IS a tough runner.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/17/2017 3:02 pm : link
Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He can run based on what, exactly?

His first two seasons with the Jets, Smith rushed for over 600 yards and 7 TDs, on 131 attempts. Those numbers were a bit of a surprise, because he didn't run a lot at West Virginia.

He's no Michael Vick, and nobody knows how the injuries have affected his mobility, but his resume says he is at least a threat the defense has to account for, especially in the red zone.
Geno wouldn't have been my first choice as a free agent  
81_Great_Dane : 3/17/2017 3:07 pm : link
but it seems pretty low-risk to me. He's not guaranteed a roster spot. He'll have to compete to make the team. They can still draft a QB if the draft falls that way. He takes up a roster spot in training camp, and that has some value, but otherwise, he'll have to earn everything.

Not something to get upset about in March, IMHO. Long way to final roster cuts.
So now the Giants can flip Eli to the Browns  
Mike from Ohio : 3/17/2017 3:11 pm : link
for Joe Thomas! Well Played!
As bad as Nassib was...  
EricJ : 3/17/2017 3:23 pm : link
I feel far more comfortable having him (vs Geno) come into the game if Eli got hurt.

This really makes you wonder WTF Reese is thinking. I rank Geno in there with Tebow.
Watch out eli  
micky : 3/17/2017 4:38 pm : link
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Oh please, Smith is a much better QB than Nassib  
Greg from LI : 3/17/2017 4:41 pm : link
Nassib is awful, a complete waste of a draft pick. You'll never see him in an NFL uniform again.
Geno Smith  
Archer : 3/17/2017 5:34 pm : link
What is going through Reese's mind in signing Geno Smith?

Smith has demonstrated that he is not a good quarterback. His completion is 57.9 % and his career QBR is 72.4.

He is injured. He is coming off a serious knee injury and has not been able to stay healthy. Played in only 3 games in the last 2 years ( missed most of 2015 after getting his jaw broken in a fight over $600 that he refused to pay Enemkpali )

He is a turnover machine and his errors occur at the worst times. He makes particularly bad decisions in the red zone.

Smith is not an instinctive or smart player.

Reese is enamored by a players physical skills and he thinks his staff can reclaim underachievers. But is this in the best interest of the team?
Josh Johnson is as good as Smith without all the drama. I hope that he is at a minimum contract.

Geno wouldn't be my first choice,  
Section331 : 3/17/2017 5:46 pm : link
but we could definitely do worse. He has physical ability, and has had crap coaching in his NFL career. The criteria for any backup is, if Eli goes down for a handful of games, can this guy get us a win or two? I feel better with Geno than I would with Nassib. Don't ask him to do too much, and rely on the D.
Geno sucks  
PatersonPlank : 3/17/2017 5:50 pm : link
I have nothing else to add
This might be the single most shocking nyg signing for me  
djm : 3/17/2017 10:01 pm : link
Ever. Granted geno is just a backup at best so it's not a high impact move but if I woke up tomorrow morning with my face sewed to the carpet I wouldn't be as surprised as I am now.

Whatever works.. I guess you could do worse at backup but geno has had as dreadful a first 3-4 years as one could have. Would be hilarious if the Giants somehow got him to work.
RE: Geno Smith  
Mr. Bungle : 3/17/2017 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13397450 Archer said:
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What is going through Reese's mind in signing Geno Smith?

Smith has demonstrated that he is not a good quarterback. His completion is 57.9 % and his career QBR is 72.4.

Eli's are 59.7% and 83.7.

Geno would be the backup.

And Geno is way better than Josh Johnson, who's started, like, 5 games in 8 years.
I don't think it's crazy - Geno has some skills and the Jets  
Del Shofner : 3/17/2017 11:00 pm : link
are a complete mess. Low risk, if it doesn't work out, fine.
RE: Besides his well-documented problems,  
ktinsc : 3/18/2017 12:21 am : link
In comment 13396931 81_Great_Dane said:
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I think Geno's been unlucky. The Jets are terrible...

This is Geno finally getting a little lucky. He has good physical tools. Can he truly master the position?

If he can't succeed with the Giants, he probably can't succeed, period. But if he's learned from his travails of the last few years, he could surprise us all.


Great post Dane, I agree 100%.
RE: RE: I hope it's for the vet minimum  
Milton : 3/18/2017 12:59 am : link
In comment 13396789 jcn56 said:
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I'd hate to lose out on a comp pick because he was included in the calculations.



Even without him, doesn't JPP's contract factor in or does the formula discard players re-signing with the team? We haven't exactly lost much.
JPP doesn't factor at all. The loss of Newhouse and Gould may count as 7th round picks, especially if Newhouse winds up starting (due to injury). And if we lose Robinson to a multi-year deal that averages $3M-4M/year he could count as a 5th or 6th round pick and cancel out the addition of Ellison (who will count against us in the formula). The key to our compensatory picks will be Hankins. If he gets a bigtime deal he could net a 4th round pick.

As it stands right now, in terms of (potentially) qualifying for the compensatory pick formula we have one addition (Ellison) and two (borderline) subtractions (Gould and Newhouse).
RE: RE: I hope it's for the vet minimum  
Milton : 3/18/2017 1:07 am : link
In comment 13396790 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13396780 Milton said:
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I'd hate to lose out on a comp pick because he was included in the calculations.


Comp pick formula is heavy on playing time and (I think) evaluates salary compensation relative to your position. So signing a slot DB for $5M that sees 60% of your snaps might net the former team a 4th/5th round comp pick, but signing a backup QB for $5M that doesn't take a snap isn't likely to net them anything.


I don't believe position has anything to do with it. The most significant factor is average compensation per year (the total value of the deal divided by the number of years). Playing time is a factor, but not as much as you would think. It's mostly about the money.

From OTC...
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Although the formula has never been revealed, by studying the compensatory picks that have been awarded since they began in 1994, Iíve determined that the primary factor in the value of the picks awarded is the average annual value of the contract the player signed with his new team, with an adjustment for playing time and a smaller adjustment for postseason honors.
For a more detailed explanation, check out....
Basics and methodology on figuring comp picks - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Geno Smith  
Gmen4Life21 : 3/18/2017 4:31 am : link
In comment 13397737 Mr. Bungle said:
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What is going through Reese's mind in signing Geno Smith?

Smith has demonstrated that he is not a good quarterback. His completion is 57.9 % and his career QBR is 72.4.



Eli's are 59.7% and 83.7.

Geno would be the backup.

And Geno is way better than Josh Johnson, who's started, like, 5 games in 8 years.


Thanks for perspective.

Geno may suck as a starter, he wouldn't suck for a backup. He'd be competing for 1 spot with Johnson I have to assume. If we brought in Joe Schmo backup (aka Josh Johnson) people wouldn't complain, it's just because of who Geno is (failed top pick, Jets, face punch, did I say Jets, the whole nine). If he got punched out and failed in JAX no one here would care, it's because it happened locally we saw him happen with lots of media coverage in NY. I don't love the pick, but I think it's fine to compete for the backup spot. Who else is better?
RE: Geno Smith  
Gmen4Life21 : 3/18/2017 4:39 am : link
In comment 13397450 Archer said:
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What is going through Reese's mind in signing Geno Smith?

Smith has demonstrated that he is not a good quarterback. His completion is 57.9 % and his career QBR is 72.4.

He is injured. He is coming off a serious knee injury and has not been able to stay healthy. Played in only 3 games in the last 2 years ( missed most of 2015 after getting his jaw broken in a fight over $600 that he refused to pay Enemkpali )

He is a turnover machine and his errors occur at the worst times. He makes particularly bad decisions in the red zone.

Smith is not an instinctive or smart player.

Reese is enamored by a players physical skills and he thinks his staff can reclaim underachievers. But is this in the best interest of the team?
Josh Johnson is as good as Smith without all the drama. I hope that he is at a minimum contract.


I don't know how we can say Josh Johnson is better when he hasn't thrown an NFL pass in 6 years. He's got a 52% comp % and 55 qb rating to quote the same stats. He's unknown, doesn't make him better. No problem with competition. Let them compete and we'll find out who's better in August.
54.2% and 57.7*  
Gmen4Life21 : 3/18/2017 4:40 am : link
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Yes  
XBRONX : 3/18/2017 7:46 am : link
I cant believe they bring in Geno when Johnny football is still out there. Sarcasm off.
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