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RE: A totally unfair generalization  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2017 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13397473 grizz299 said:
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......"for finally signing one of his first round draft picks to a multi-year contract. It has only taken a decade to get this monkey off his back....."".

If you want to issue a condemning statement you're obligated to be specific....what first round picks do you think he should have resigned?
Otherwise you're a cheap shot artist.


It's not a cheap shot. The condemnation is based in the factual summary of Jerry's ability to extend his own first round draft picks. In a decade, he has extended 1 of his first round picks to a multi-year contract. Interpret that simple statement how you will.
RE: Contract  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2017 7:25 pm : link
In comment 13397472 stretch234 said:
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Do people really think that Philips or Nicks were not going to get contracts if their careers were not wrecked by injuries. Never approached that point with Wilson.

It was never a question about ability with either of the. If Prince stayed healthy he would be here.

Not receiving a second contract because of injury is far different than not getting one because you cant play


But our former 1st round picks did continue to play. Kenny and David are the only ones that were/are out of the league due to their injuries. The others were able to sign/play for other teams before being out of the league. Aaron Ross was good enough to latch on in Jax and good enough to resign with the Giants. Nicks was good enough to latch on in Ind and good enough to resign with the Giants. Prince was good enough to latch on with Jax and now Chicago.
'In a decade, he has extended'...  
Torrag : 3/17/2017 7:28 pm : link
Translation: I don't know the circumstances surrounding these players not being re-signed. Hence I will make an idiotic blanket statement that exposes me to ridicule.

Congrats. Mission accomplished numbnutz.
RE: RE: Congratulations to Jerry  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2017 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13397467 Big Blue '56 said:
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for finally signing one of his first round draft picks to a multi-year contract. It has only taken a decade to get this monkey off his back.



In fairness, not a helluva lot of them have been healthy enough to get to the second contract and if so, were injury prone enough (i.e. Prince) not to pursue


Now that is the crux of it - not worthy to pursue. Injuries have derailed players careers (Philips and Wilson), and others (Ross, Nicks, Prince) had some injuries but were able to continue playing after their rookie contract. Apparently 2 of them were worthy enough to bring back on a 1yr contract.
RE: 'In a decade, he has extended'...  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2017 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13397552 Torrag said:
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Translation: I don't know the circumstances surrounding these players not being re-signed. Hence I will make an idiotic blanket statement that exposes me to ridicule.

Congrats. Mission accomplished numbnutz.


Attack the post not the poster. What was incorrect about my statement? Jerry Reese became the GM in Jan. 2007. Fact. In his decade of tenure, he has had 10 first round picks. OBJ, Flowers, and Apple are not eligible for second contracts. So out of 7 1st round draft picks, Jerry has managed to sign 1 to a multi-year contract. I'm aware of injuries. Some players (Phillips and Wilson) were forced out of the league due to their injuries. Others (Ross, Nicks, and Prince) managed to continue to play beyond their rookie contracts. The jury is still out regarding Pugh.
RE: RE: RE: Congratulations to Jerry  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2017 7:42 pm : link
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for finally signing one of his first round draft picks to a multi-year contract. It has only taken a decade to get this monkey off his back.



Are you forgetting what happened to guys like Hakeem Nicks, Kenny Phillips or David Wilson? Or is the Coughlin worship just *that* pathetic?



I love how he completely ignores mentioning any of the context. Some people should just give it up, and go root for Jax already.


What does my statement have to do with Jax? I've responded to others with the context.
RE: The giants are much more comfortable with jpp  
est1986 : 3/17/2017 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13397371 hitdog42 said:
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Long term because of the presence of Vernon.
Vernon brought leadership and work ethic and dedication that fed into jpp both on and off the field
I'm sure snacks helped too
But they have no maturity concerns now


This.
They still need to draft  
David B. : 3/17/2017 8:14 pm : link
another good pass rusher.
RE: RE: Contract  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/17/2017 8:16 pm : link
In comment 13397547 Diver_Down said:
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Do people really think that Philips or Nicks were not going to get contracts if their careers were not wrecked by injuries. Never approached that point with Wilson.

It was never a question about ability with either of the. If Prince stayed healthy he would be here.

Not receiving a second contract because of injury is far different than not getting one because you cant play



But our former 1st round picks did continue to play. Kenny and David are the only ones that were/are out of the league due to their injuries. The others were able to sign/play for other teams before being out of the league. Aaron Ross was good enough to latch on in Jax and good enough to resign with the Giants. Nicks was good enough to latch on in Ind and good enough to resign with the Giants. Prince was good enough to latch on with Jax and now Chicago.


This is a ridiculous point to try to pass off as legitimate discussion.
Anyone catch this on JPP Instagram post?  
Bchurch : 3/17/2017 8:19 pm : link
#its-Hanks-turn

Rooting for his buddy to get a big payday or its Hanks turn to sign with NYG?

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#90PowerCircle #nygiants #onceagiantalwaysagiant
#its-Hanks-turn S/O to @nyg_teamphotographer for always being there to take great pictures for me.
what a surprise  
WillieYoung : 3/17/2017 8:21 pm : link
The JPP will never play again guys think it is a bad contract. Now they have to watch the next 4 years with their eyes closed!
JPP,  
NYGBlue42 : 3/17/2017 8:27 pm : link
Give me a call if you need some one to light them fire works this 4th of July.
RE: RE: RE: Congratulations to Jerry  
Gmen4Life21 : 3/17/2017 8:55 pm : link
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for finally signing one of his first round draft picks to a multi-year contract. It has only taken a decade to get this monkey off his back.



Are you forgetting what happened to guys like Hakeem Nicks, Kenny Phillips or David Wilson? Or is the Coughlin worship just *that* pathetic?



My statement had nothing to do with Coughlin. It was a factual statement regarding our GM's 1st round draft picks. I didn't forget what happened to players with injuries. Kenny and David are the only ones that were/are out of the league due to their injuries. The others were able to sign/play for other teams before being out of the league. Aaron Ross was good enough to latch on in Jax and good enough to resign with the Giants. Nicks was good enough to latch on in Ind and good enough to resign with the Giants. Prince was good enough to latch on with Jax and now Chicago.
Pugh will be the next eligible. If we apply the same standard of not being worth a second contract due to being often injured and missing games, then Pugh will not be extended. Still too early on OBJ, Flowers, and Apple.

Is this summary not factual? Again, not one mention of Coughlin in my response, but I'm sure you'll find some angle to drag him into the discussion.


Lost me at Nicks. Nicks became a shell of himself due to leg injuries. Nicks would've signed a longterm deal as top 10 WR. Injuries derailed that. End of story

Yes he got another chance to hang on because he was a still just 25 formerly elite WR, but the point is he was worthy of a long-term deal if not for career-altering injuries.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Congratulations to Jerry  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2017 9:02 pm : link
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for finally signing one of his first round draft picks to a multi-year contract. It has only taken a decade to get this monkey off his back.



Are you forgetting what happened to guys like Hakeem Nicks, Kenny Phillips or David Wilson? Or is the Coughlin worship just *that* pathetic?



My statement had nothing to do with Coughlin. It was a factual statement regarding our GM's 1st round draft picks. I didn't forget what happened to players with injuries. Kenny and David are the only ones that were/are out of the league due to their injuries. The others were able to sign/play for other teams before being out of the league. Aaron Ross was good enough to latch on in Jax and good enough to resign with the Giants. Nicks was good enough to latch on in Ind and good enough to resign with the Giants. Prince was good enough to latch on with Jax and now Chicago.
Pugh will be the next eligible. If we apply the same standard of not being worth a second contract due to being often injured and missing games, then Pugh will not be extended. Still too early on OBJ, Flowers, and Apple.

Is this summary not factual? Again, not one mention of Coughlin in my response, but I'm sure you'll find some angle to drag him into the discussion.



Lost me at Nicks. Nicks became a shell of himself due to leg injuries. Nicks would've signed a longterm deal as top 10 WR. Injuries derailed that. End of story

Yes he got another chance to hang on because he was a still just 25 formerly elite WR, but the point is he was worthy of a long-term deal if not for career-altering injuries.


You place the criteria of "long-term" deal. My criteria was a multi-year contract. Jerry signed Ross, Nicks, and JPP to 1 year deals in the past. My low bar for him to clear is a contract that exceeds 1 year. Ross, Nicks, and Prince played for more than 1 year beyond their rookie contracts. Nowhere in my statements have I moved the goalposts to frame the critique that a "long-term" deal was required.
In 10 years as GM.....  
Tesla : 3/17/2017 9:03 pm : link
the Giants have ZERO starts from QB's Reese drafted. Zero.

Don't hate me for saying it....it's simply true.
Contract  
stretch234 : 3/17/2017 9:06 pm : link
Do people really think that Philips or Nicks were not going to get contracts if their careers were not wrecked by injuries. Never approached that point with Wilson.

It was never a question about ability with either of the. If Prince stayed healthy he would be here.

Not receiving a second contract because of injury is far different than not getting one because you cant play
RE: Contract  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2017 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13397656 stretch234 said:
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Do people really think that Philips or Nicks were not going to get contracts if their careers were not wrecked by injuries. Never approached that point with Wilson.

It was never a question about ability with either of the. If Prince stayed healthy he would be here.

Not receiving a second contract because of injury is far different than not getting one because you cant play


Being that you copied and pasted your original response above, I'll copy and paste my response to your response. RE: Contract
Diver_Down : 7:25 pm : link : reply
In comment 13397472 stretch234 said:
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Do people really think that Philips or Nicks were not going to get contracts if their careers were not wrecked by injuries. Never approached that point with Wilson.

It was never a question about ability with either of the. If Prince stayed healthy he would be here.

Not receiving a second contract because of injury is far different than not getting one because you cant play


But our former 1st round picks did continue to play. Kenny and David are the only ones that were/are out of the league due to their injuries. The others were able to sign/play for other teams before being out of the league. Aaron Ross was good enough to latch on in Jax and good enough to resign with the Giants. Nicks was good enough to latch on in Ind and good enough to resign with the Giants. Prince was good enough to latch on with Jax and now Chicago.
Seriously, Nicks?  
jcn56 : 3/17/2017 9:13 pm : link
You should be ashamed of yourself for even trying to slip that one by.

Nobody - not the Giants FO, not the fans, no one - wanted Nicks to be let go before he was hurt. He was putting together a HoF worthy career before he was derailed. And it was only after it was clear he had nothing left that he left the building with no attempt to retain him. And even then, they brought him back with the hopes he might somehow be able to resurrect his career.

What happened to him was criminal, but to insinuate that somehow it was a failing by Reese or the FO, or that the player was anything less than worthy of a hefty second contract, is insulting.
RE: Seriously, Nicks?  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2017 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13397669 jcn56 said:
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You should be ashamed of yourself for even trying to slip that one by.

Nobody - not the Giants FO, not the fans, no one - wanted Nicks to be let go before he was hurt. He was putting together a HoF worthy career before he was derailed. And it was only after it was clear he had nothing left that he left the building with no attempt to retain him. And even then, they brought him back with the hopes he might somehow be able to resurrect his career.

What happened to him was criminal, but to insinuate that somehow it was a failing by Reese or the FO, or that the player was anything less than worthy of a hefty second contract, is insulting.


I'm not trying to deceive anyone. Not trying to "slip one by". I'm setting a very low bar for Reese to hurdle. A multi-year contract is more than 1 year. A 2 year contract qualifies as a multi-year contract. Ross, Nicks, and Prince have all played for 2 years beyond their rookie contracts. Hence, they all could have qualified to have been signed to multi-year contracts.
Diver_Down  
BigBlueShock : 3/17/2017 9:30 pm : link
Are you EVER not a negative, miserable person? Serious question because I've never seen you post a positive thing about this team. Why do you even watch? Don't you have a puppy to kick or something?
RE: Diver_Down  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2017 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13397689 BigBlueShock said:
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Are you EVER not a negative, miserable person? Serious question because I've never seen you post a positive thing about this team. Why do you even watch? Don't you have a puppy to kick or something?


I would appreciate if you would focus your criticism at my post and not myself. Don't confuse my criticism of the GM with my devotion to the team. One is capable for rooting for the team without endorsing the GM.
RE: RE: Diver_Down  
BigBlueShock : 3/17/2017 9:54 pm : link
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Are you EVER not a negative, miserable person? Serious question because I've never seen you post a positive thing about this team. Why do you even watch? Don't you have a puppy to kick or something?



I would appreciate if you would focus your criticism at my post and not myself. Don't confuse my criticism of the GM with my devotion to the team. One is capable for rooting for the team without endorsing the GM.

This was a 11-5 team that has added a big productive WR (team need), a blocking TE (team need), a G/T (team need), hasn't lost anyone of any signifance (Hankins still in limbo) and the draft is still yet to come. Seems a strange time to be killing the GM, though I'm not surprised that you continue to do so. You've made your mind up. Reese sucks. Nothing will ever change your mind so you will continue to litter every single thread with your agenda. Lucky us!
DIVEr down  
djm : 3/17/2017 9:56 pm : link
Should change the handle to double down. Don't stop now there doubles...
Reese is the hottest GM in the league right now.  
est1986 : 3/17/2017 10:35 pm : link
He has had good picks and bad picks like every GM. The good outweighs the bad. Minus Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, a freak David Wilson injury (imagine him in this offense!), and Reuben Randle going full retarded.. Reese is god. Still praying on Flowers to pan out.
RE: Reese is the hottest GM in the league right now.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/17/2017 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13397730 est1986 said:
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He has had good picks and bad picks like every GM. The good outweighs the bad. Minus Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, a freak David Wilson injury (imagine him in this offense!), and Reuben Randle going full retarded.. Reese is god. Still praying on Flowers to pan out.


Easy there killer
RE: Reese is the hottest GM in the league right now.  
The_Boss : 3/17/2017 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13397730 est1986 said:
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He has had good picks and bad picks like every GM. The good outweighs the bad. Minus Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, a freak David Wilson injury (imagine him in this offense!), and Reuben Randle going full retarded.. Reese is god. Still praying on Flowers to pan out.


Reese is god? You do realize why he's had to spend so much in FA in the first place, right? If OBJ hadn't blown up the league in 2014, Reese might not even still be here.
RE: RE: Reese is the hottest GM in the league right now.  
Rory : 3/17/2017 10:58 pm : link
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He has had good picks and bad picks like every GM. The good outweighs the bad. Minus Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, a freak David Wilson injury (imagine him in this offense!), and Reuben Randle going full retarded.. Reese is god. Still praying on Flowers to pan out.



Reese is god? You do realize why he's had to spend so much in FA in the first place, right? If OBJ hadn't blown up the league in 2014, Reese might not even still be here.


Hey bossman , if you can't appreciate what Jerry Reese has done for the NY Giants since becoming the GM , feel free to root for another team.
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The_Boss : 3/17/2017 11:14 pm : link
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He has had good picks and bad picks like every GM. The good outweighs the bad. Minus Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, a freak David Wilson injury (imagine him in this offense!), and Reuben Randle going full retarded.. Reese is god. Still praying on Flowers to pan out.



Reese is god? You do realize why he's had to spend so much in FA in the first place, right? If OBJ hadn't blown up the league in 2014, Reese might not even still be here.



Hey bossman , if you can't appreciate what Jerry Reese has done for the NY Giants since becoming the GM , feel free to root for another team.


Sorry. Been a NYG fan since conception. That doesn't mean the team, or members of the FO, are immune from being criticized when warranted. The hard truth is Reese's poor job performance from 2008 thru 2012 contributed to the roster's deterioration that resulted in the team missing the playoffs 6 out of 7 seasons, including the train-wreck seasons of 2013, 2014, and 2015. They've seemingly turned a corner, but to waste away the prime years of the best QB in franchise history as he's done is criminal.
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Diver_Down : 3/18/2017 9:24 am : link
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He has had good picks and bad picks like every GM. The good outweighs the bad. Minus Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, a freak David Wilson injury (imagine him in this offense!), and Reuben Randle going full retarded.. Reese is god. Still praying on Flowers to pan out.



Reese is god? You do realize why he's had to spend so much in FA in the first place, right? If OBJ hadn't blown up the league in 2014, Reese might not even still be here.



Hey bossman , if you can't appreciate what Jerry Reese has done for the NY Giants since becoming the GM , feel free to root for another team.



Sorry. Been a NYG fan since conception. That doesn't mean the team, or members of the FO, are immune from being criticized when warranted. The hard truth is Reese's poor job performance from 2008 thru 2012 contributed to the roster's deterioration that resulted in the team missing the playoffs 6 out of 7 seasons, including the train-wreck seasons of 2013, 2014, and 2015. They've seemingly turned a corner, but to waste away the prime years of the best QB in franchise history as he's done is criminal.



Why are you such a clown? You should just change your handle to: The_Cunt


Is it too much of a challenge for you to respond to a post without deferring to profanities? What The_Boss posted above is true. Because we root for our team doesn't mean that we have to agree with all facets of the organization. Someone above referenced that I think "Reese Sucks" which is the lazy narrative for any criticism of Jerry. Is he capable of the job? Sure. Has his past performance warranted the "In Reese We Trust" moniker that is thrown around? Not unless you are a homer.
RE: RE: RE: Reese is the hottest GM in the league right now.  
BigBlueShock : 3/18/2017 9:26 am : link
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He has had good picks and bad picks like every GM. The good outweighs the bad. Minus Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, a freak David Wilson injury (imagine him in this offense!), and Reuben Randle going full retarded.. Reese is god. Still praying on Flowers to pan out.



Reese is god? You do realize why he's had to spend so much in FA in the first place, right? If OBJ hadn't blown up the league in 2014, Reese might not even still be here.



Hey bossman , if you can't appreciate what Jerry Reese has done for the NY Giants since becoming the GM , feel free to root for another team.

He already does. He's an Eagles fan.
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Klaatu : 3/18/2017 9:47 am : link
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He has had good picks and bad picks like every GM. The good outweighs the bad. Minus Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, a freak David Wilson injury (imagine him in this offense!), and Reuben Randle going full retarded.. Reese is god. Still praying on Flowers to pan out.



Reese is god? You do realize why he's had to spend so much in FA in the first place, right? If OBJ hadn't blown up the league in 2014, Reese might not even still be here.



Hey bossman , if you can't appreciate what Jerry Reese has done for the NY Giants since becoming the GM , feel free to root for another team.



Sorry. Been a NYG fan since conception. That doesn't mean the team, or members of the FO, are immune from being criticized when warranted. The hard truth is Reese's poor job performance from 2008 thru 2012 contributed to the roster's deterioration that resulted in the team missing the playoffs 6 out of 7 seasons, including the train-wreck seasons of 2013, 2014, and 2015. They've seemingly turned a corner, but to waste away the prime years of the best QB in franchise history as he's done is criminal.


How anyone who calls himself a Giants fan can look at the 2008, 2009, and 2010 drafts and criticize Reese is beyond me.

In 2008, picking last in each round, the Giants got a starting FS, a starting CB, a complimentary WR, and a starting-caliber MIKE.

In 2009, picking late in each round, the Giants got a #1 WR and a starting LT.

In 2010, the Giants got an elite DE and a starting, run-stuffing DT.

Throw in a bunch of late-rounders who, at the very least, provided depth and special-teams play...add a couple of UDFAs who became major contributors...and let's not forget some very key free agent acquisitions, and it shouldn't be hard to see why the Giants won their second Super Bowl under Reese's tenure in 2011.

Is Reese God? Hardly. He's certainly made his share of mistakes. But he's also been the victim of a tremendous amount of bad luck and an inordinate amount of catastrophic injuries. My guess is that Eli gives him a lot more credit than some alleged fans do. After all, he's got two rings and two Super Bowl MVPs on his resume. Does Aaron Rogers? Does Drew Brees? Can Tony Romo? Can any other QB not named Brady or Roethlisberger make those claims? Nope.

So, oh, my paws and whiskers! Reese had to spend big in free agency last year to bolster a historically bad defense - a spending spree that was roundly criticized by pundits and fans alike, but which ended up being monumentally successful. A huge feather in his cap, in my opinion.

Criticism is fine when it's constructive. Incessant whining is not, but it's what we've come to expect from the usual suspects.
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drkenneth : 3/18/2017 9:47 am : link
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He has had good picks and bad picks like every GM. The good outweighs the bad. Minus Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, a freak David Wilson injury (imagine him in this offense!), and Reuben Randle going full retarded.. Reese is god. Still praying on Flowers to pan out.



Reese is god? You do realize why he's had to spend so much in FA in the first place, right? If OBJ hadn't blown up the league in 2014, Reese might not even still be here.



Hey bossman , if you can't appreciate what Jerry Reese has done for the NY Giants since becoming the GM , feel free to root for another team.



Sorry. Been a NYG fan since conception. That doesn't mean the team, or members of the FO, are immune from being criticized when warranted. The hard truth is Reese's poor job performance from 2008 thru 2012 contributed to the roster's deterioration that resulted in the team missing the playoffs 6 out of 7 seasons, including the train-wreck seasons of 2013, 2014, and 2015. They've seemingly turned a corner, but to waste away the prime years of the best QB in franchise history as he's done is criminal.



Why are you such a clown? You should just change your handle to: The_Cunt




Is it too much of a challenge for you to respond to a post without deferring to profanities? What The_Boss posted above is true. Because we root for our team doesn't mean that we have to agree with all facets of the organization. Someone above referenced that I think "Reese Sucks" which is the lazy narrative for any criticism of Jerry. Is he capable of the job? Sure. Has his past performance warranted the "In Reese We Trust" moniker that is thrown around? Not unless you are a homer.


Is it too hard not to bitch and moan about everything? Believe it or not, there are posters here that would love to talk about the Giants without The_Boss, Diver Down, and Doomster whining on every fucking thread. WE GET IT: THE OL SUCKS, REESE'S DRAFTS SUCKED for a few years BLAH BLAH BLAH..We get it. Men are trying to talk here.

Since then, he's drafted one of the best players in the NFL on offense (Beckham), traded up for an all pro safety (Collins), and added 3 MORE ALL PROS in Snacks, Vernon, Jenkins + DRC. But yeah, keep whining about the 2013 draft.

Nobody wants to be around the guy who bitches and moans all the time. If you're interested in having a discussion, I'd be more than happy to. But you seem more interested in venting your misery around here.

I'm sure I'm not the only poster who can do without The_Boss doing his "THE OL SUCKS I TOLD YOU SO" shtick, Doomster (who's a borderline troll) and Diver_Down polluting every thread like 15 year old girls.

Man the fuck up.
What Klaatu said.  
drkenneth : 3/18/2017 9:52 am : link
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The simplified truth  
GMen23 : 3/18/2017 10:47 am : link
I am a very happy Giant fan today. The most deserving true blue blood Giant, got paid, and will be on our side for a few more years. Congrats JPP! You are an inspiration to all of us who have fucked up, and fought our way back. A place in the "Ring of Honor" awaits you.
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Rory : 3/18/2017 11:48 am : link
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He has had good picks and bad picks like every GM. The good outweighs the bad. Minus Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, a freak David Wilson injury (imagine him in this offense!), and Reuben Randle going full retarded.. Reese is god. Still praying on Flowers to pan out.



Reese is god? You do realize why he's had to spend so much in FA in the first place, right? If OBJ hadn't blown up the league in 2014, Reese might not even still be here.



Hey bossman , if you can't appreciate what Jerry Reese has done for the NY Giants since becoming the GM , feel free to root for another team.



Sorry. Been a NYG fan since conception. That doesn't mean the team, or members of the FO, are immune from being criticized when warranted. The hard truth is Reese's poor job performance from 2008 thru 2012 contributed to the roster's deterioration that resulted in the team missing the playoffs 6 out of 7 seasons, including the train-wreck seasons of 2013, 2014, and 2015. They've seemingly turned a corner, but to waste away the prime years of the best QB in franchise history as he's done is criminal.



Why are you such a clown? You should just change your handle to: The_Cunt




Is it too much of a challenge for you to respond to a post without deferring to profanities? What The_Boss posted above is true. Because we root for our team doesn't mean that we have to agree with all facets of the organization. Someone above referenced that I think "Reese Sucks" which is the lazy narrative for any criticism of Jerry. Is he capable of the job? Sure. Has his past performance warranted the "In Reese We Trust" moniker that is thrown around? Not unless you are a homer.



Is it too hard not to bitch and moan about everything? Believe it or not, there are posters here that would love to talk about the Giants without The_Boss, Diver Down, and Doomster whining on every fucking thread. WE GET IT: THE OL SUCKS, REESE'S DRAFTS SUCKED for a few years BLAH BLAH BLAH..We get it. Men are trying to talk here.

Since then, he's drafted one of the best players in the NFL on offense (Beckham), traded up for an all pro safety (Collins), and added 3 MORE ALL PROS in Snacks, Vernon, Jenkins + DRC. But yeah, keep whining about the 2013 draft.

Nobody wants to be around the guy who bitches and moans all the time. If you're interested in having a discussion, I'd be more than happy to. But you seem more interested in venting your misery around here.

I'm sure I'm not the only poster who can do without The_Boss doing his "THE OL SUCKS I TOLD YOU SO" shtick, Doomster (who's a borderline troll) and Diver_Down polluting every thread like 15 year old girls.

Man the fuck up.


Could not have said that better myself

If you're a tue blue fan you take the good with the bad

earned it by getting the two rings for this franchise

An Reese is close to assembling another winning team

There will be a day they are both gone and the Giants will be truly re-building
Lots of bitches in this thread  
The_Boss : 3/18/2017 12:54 pm : link
Who get upset when someone has the stones to criticize the NYG. If you can't handle the truth go find someplace else where being a pu**y is accepted Internet behavior. Kenny can be your leader.
Big picture: If this franchise is able to win another SB in  
drkenneth : 3/18/2017 12:54 pm : link
2-3 years, nobody will give a shit that we had lousy years 2013-2015, which is a blip on the radar for this franchise....Eli goes into the HOF on roller skates and it will put a ribbon on the most successful period in franchise history. It's called seeing the big picture.
RE: Lots of bitches in this thread  
Klaatu : 3/18/2017 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13398084 The_Boss said:
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Who get upset when someone has the stones to criticize the NYG. If you can't handle the truth go find someplace else where being a pu**y is accepted Internet behavior. Kenny can be your leader.


As I wrote earlier, there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Please call me when you're ready to provide some.
RE: RE: Lots of bitches in this thread  
The_Boss : 3/18/2017 1:15 pm : link
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Who get upset when someone has the stones to criticize the NYG. If you can't handle the truth go find someplace else where being a pu**y is accepted Internet behavior. Kenny can be your leader.



As I wrote earlier, there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Please call me when you're ready to provide some.


What further needs to be said? One poster called JR a god and I (accurately) said why we had to spend a boatload of cap $$ to improve the team. If Reese drafted better from 2008 thru 2012, chances are we'd have a strong enough roster to the point where we needed to import impact players from other rosters to the extent Reese had to. I'm not sure how anyone can dispute that. At the same time, by me stating that, how do posters have the nerve to call me a cunt? Let's try to have a semblance of respect around here. Jesus.
RE: RE: RE: Lots of bitches in this thread  
The_Boss : 3/18/2017 1:17 pm : link
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Who get upset when someone has the stones to criticize the NYG. If you can't handle the truth go find someplace else where being a pu**y is accepted Internet behavior. Kenny can be your leader.



As I wrote earlier, there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Please call me when you're ready to provide some.



What further needs to be said? One poster called JR a god and I (accurately) said why we had to spend a boatload of cap $$ to improve the team. If Reese drafted better from 2008 thru 2012, chances are we'd have a strong enough roster to the point where we needed to import impact players from other rosters to the extent Reese had to. I'm not sure how anyone can dispute that. At the same time, by me stating that, how do posters have the nerve to call me a cunt? Let's try to have a semblance of respect around here. Jesus.


** where we wouldn't need to import... **
RE: RE: RE: Lots of bitches in this thread  
Klaatu : 3/18/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13398106 The_Boss said:
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Who get upset when someone has the stones to criticize the NYG. If you can't handle the truth go find someplace else where being a pu**y is accepted Internet behavior. Kenny can be your leader.



As I wrote earlier, there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Please call me when you're ready to provide some.



What further needs to be said? One poster called JR a god and I (accurately) said why we had to spend a boatload of cap $$ to improve the team. If Reese drafted better from 2008 thru 2012, chances are we'd have a strong enough roster to the point where we needed to import impact players from other rosters to the extent Reese had to. I'm not sure how anyone can dispute that. At the same time, by me stating that, how do posters have the nerve to call me a cunt? Let's try to have a semblance of respect around here. Jesus.


I did dispute it, and I did so rather nicely. You just chose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your narrative.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Reese is the hottest GM in the league right now.  
The_Boss : 3/18/2017 1:21 pm : link
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He has had good picks and bad picks like every GM. The good outweighs the bad. Minus Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, a freak David Wilson injury (imagine him in this offense!), and Reuben Randle going full retarded.. Reese is god. Still praying on Flowers to pan out.



Reese is god? You do realize why he's had to spend so much in FA in the first place, right? If OBJ hadn't blown up the league in 2014, Reese might not even still be here.



Hey bossman , if you can't appreciate what Jerry Reese has done for the NY Giants since becoming the GM , feel free to root for another team.


He already does. He's an Eagles fan.


Fake news.
Funny you all still think this. Upon my registering, I was labeled a Philly fan because I had nerve to suggest the Eagles were better than the NYG. Well, they swept us in 2015.

What most of you have failed to learn is two fold:
1. I am a NYG fan
2. I am ALWAYS right regarding the NYG and this has been demonstrated time and time again on this site.
RE: Lots of bitches in this thread  
drkenneth : 3/18/2017 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13398084 The_Boss said:
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Who get upset when someone has the stones to criticize the NYG. If you can't handle the truth go find someplace else where being a pu**y is accepted Internet behavior. Kenny can be your leader.



Klaatu +2

@Boss:

You're a one trick pony. You offer nothing of value to the forum. You repeat yourself over and over, and don't even attempt to take in all the information. As Klaatu pointed out (and several other posters have called you out on multiple threads for your BS), you clearly have an ax to grind, or are a troll (I've seen posts you are an Eagle fan?)
Luke :14:11, King James Bible:  
Klaatu : 3/18/2017 1:26 pm : link
"For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."
This is cute. Not troll-like at all.  
drkenneth : 3/18/2017 1:27 pm : link
"2. I am ALWAYS right regarding the NYG and this has been demonstrated"
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The_Boss : 3/18/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13398117 drkenneth said:
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Who get upset when someone has the stones to criticize the NYG. If you can't handle the truth go find someplace else where being a pu**y is accepted Internet behavior. Kenny can be your leader.




Klaatu +2

@Boss:

You're a one trick pony. You offer nothing of value to the forum. You repeat yourself over and over, and don't even attempt to take in all the information. As Klaatu pointed out (and several other posters have called you out on multiple threads for your BS), you clearly have an ax to grind, or are a troll (I've seen posts you are an Eagle fan?)


I offer nothing of value? Hypocrisy in its finest form. In a perfect world, I'd never stoop to your level of (atrocious) posting, but since you are compelled to attack every (100% accurate) post I opine here, I'm left very little choice but to defend my heightened level of intelligence.
RE: This is cute. Not troll-like at all.  
The_Boss : 3/18/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13398123 drkenneth said:
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"2. I am ALWAYS right regarding the NYG and this has been demonstrated"


Exhibit A
Lol no Reese isnt god really, what i means is..  
est1986 : 3/18/2017 1:56 pm : link
In Reese We Trust is all
RE: Lol no Reese isnt god really, what i means is..  
The_Boss : 3/18/2017 2:03 pm : link
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In Reese We Trust is all


He's been better since 2013. I'm not debating that. Almost every unit is stronger today. And we finally saw the fruit of his efforts realized in 2016. People don't seem to recall just how devoid of talent this roster was.
RE: RE: Lol no Reese isnt god really, what i means is..  
est1986 : 3/18/2017 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13398155 The_Boss said:
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In Reese We Trust is all



He's been better since 2013. I'm not debating that. Almost every unit is stronger today. And we finally saw the fruit of his efforts realized in 2016. People don't seem to recall just how devoid of talent this roster was.


This roster, IMO, is the best its been since the GMEN of the mid to late 80s. And IMO Reese is one of the best if not the very best GM in all of football, at least as of lately. And yes this roster is night and day from 2013 no doubt. It took a few more years than expected to fix and there is still work to be done as there will always be but im beyond impressed with what we have on paper right now.
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