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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/17/2017 2:53 pm
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/17/2017 3:45 pm : link
are quotes from Jerry Reese, Jason Pierre-Paul, and Josh Johnson.
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What will be his actual  
superspynyg : 3/17/2017 4:18 pm : link
cap number this year?
RE: What will be his actual  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/17/2017 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13397288 superspynyg said:
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cap number this year?


I think we need more details first.
This is turning out to be a very good offseason  
BillT : 3/17/2017 4:52 pm : link
JPP, Marshall, Elliot, Fluker. And we still have cap money and at least a chance to bring back Hankins. Not too shabby.
Would like to see Robinson brought back now......  
Simms11 : 3/17/2017 6:40 pm : link
I think Hank might have to come back on a 1 year prove it deal for half of what he's looking for.
Come back stronger.  
area junc : 3/18/2017 9:37 am : link
Say what you will but the Giants have done a nice job just keeping the team together. As John Jerry said - familiar faces. Building camaraderie. It was a good 1st year for McAdoo but it was the 1st year. Let him come back stronger.

That will be the battle cry - 1 of the youngest teams in the NFL, a team trending up, and just keeping it together and letting it grow organically. Like how you could see the Seahawks becoming good years before they peaked.

With JPP and Darian Thompson back we'll field a top notch D with an improved O benefiting from camaraderie and internal growth.

Another strong draft (Njoku?), some timely UFA pick-ups. Keep sawing wood.

In my best German accent: "Ve're getting stronger."
area junc  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2017 11:04 am : link
I want Hankins back.

I don't get why we keep drafting DT's high and then let them walk in their second contract.

Feels like treading water.
The Hankins thing is so weird  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2017 11:15 am : link
I'd still like to know who his agent is. Hearing he wants 10m is crazy. It's impossible to justify.
every down vs. part time player  
area junc : 3/18/2017 12:13 pm : link
I'd like him back too but I said during the year, my evaluation is he's a solid starter, nothing more. He's a lot closer to JAG than a $10M player.

I do think he could be a dominant 34 NT if a team lets him balloon up to 360 and eat whatever he wants. We want him under 325 here. For that reason I do think the Redskins make a lot of sense. They had great success with Griffin and Cofield and Hankins has more value to them as a monster run stuffing NT, than he does us as a somewhat ineffective pass rushing 3T.

For us, he's a part-time player. We take our DTs off the field on passing downs. The contract we gave Snacks (also a part time player) is the max we'd ever give a DT. He got a little over $9M per year and Hankins isn't in the same universe as a player.

I guessed then - 5 years, $35M, $12M guaranteed for Hank. I'd still do that deal but it sounds like Hank is selling himself as an every down player.
RE: area junc  
jcn56 : 3/18/2017 12:15 pm : link
In comment 13397975 Eric from BBI said:
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I want Hankins back.

I don't get why we keep drafting DT's high and then let them walk in their second contract.

Feels like treading water.


I read this a lot - but when you're doing well, isn't treading water in the parity era an accomplishment?

The salary cap prevents you from retaining everyone. If you can add a DT every three years and lose one every 4, you're not so much treading water as you are maintaining position in a system that is built to move talent from one team to another as frequently as possible.
jcn56  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2017 12:19 pm : link
Well we end up having to keep replacing the DT's we let go both in terms of high draft picks and now mega contracts (Damon Harrison).
I'll tell you what too  
area junc : 3/18/2017 12:20 pm : link
I actually liked what I saw from Robert Thomas. I have no idea who the hell this guy is or where he came from but he looked like a real 3T. Got some good quick pressure a few times and held up well vs. the run.

Maybe the Giants wildly disagree, but he's on the books for $540K and to my eye, did fine filling in for Hankins and was a better pass rusher.
RE: jcn56  
jcn56 : 3/18/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13398055 Eric from BBI said:
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Well we end up having to keep replacing the DT's we let go both in terms of high draft picks and now mega contracts (Damon Harrison).


That's to be expected though. It's not as simple as upgrading the parts of the team that underperform every year, you're going to lose a certain number of players you'd like to keep due to salary cap driven attrition.

It happens to everyone, and it's the way the system works. I don't particularly care for it, but the NFL has been like that for quite some time.

That's what makes Belichick's run so impressive, that he keeps losing people (and in some cases, beats the system to the punch by trading them away) and he continues to plug in players and not miss a beat.
RE: I'll tell you what too  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2017 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13398057 area junc said:
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I actually liked what I saw from Robert Thomas. I have no idea who the hell this guy is or where he came from but he looked like a real 3T. Got some good quick pressure a few times and held up well vs. the run.

Maybe the Giants wildly disagree, but he's on the books for $540K and to my eye, did fine filling in for Hankins and was a better pass rusher.


There was one game where he played just a handful of snaps and made like 2-3 plays where I said, "wow."
RE: RE: I'll tell you what too  
Klaatu : 3/18/2017 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13398153 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13398057 area junc said:


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I actually liked what I saw from Robert Thomas. I have no idea who the hell this guy is or where he came from but he looked like a real 3T. Got some good quick pressure a few times and held up well vs. the run.

Maybe the Giants wildly disagree, but he's on the books for $540K and to my eye, did fine filling in for Hankins and was a better pass rusher.



There was one game where he played just a handful of snaps and made like 2-3 plays where I said, "wow."


He had five whole tackles on the year (three solo), and never more than one in a game. No sacks.

I know that doesn't tell the whole story, but, come on.
It's not as if the giants didnt have interest in hankins  
hitdog42 : 3/18/2017 2:43 pm : link
But at the time the focus was jpp. Not sure if getting jpp done changes the offer.
If you look at the money  
larryflower37 : 3/18/2017 4:59 pm : link
Spent on the starters on the D-line already it is a hard to pay Hankins 8-10 mil per.
I like Hankins a lot but it's unreasonable to keep him unless he takes 4-5 mil per.
Thomas had at least 1 sack that i remember  
area junc : 3/18/2017 6:11 pm : link
but youre right klaatu tackle stats arent the best way to judge a DT
From a cap perspective, you have to let Hankins walk  
AcesUp : 3/18/2017 6:56 pm : link
Vernon and Snacks just signed monster deals, JPP has a fresh one...you can't tie up another one in Hankins. These things will escalate in unison, we're going to have a lot of our resources tied up in these guys. I agree with the treading water thing, but we knocked it out of the park with Snacks. If we get a solid rotation guy in there to replace Hankins, I don't see much of a drop off there. IMO, we made a nice pick in Hankins and delegated his resources to a far superior player in Harrison.
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