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Davis Webb third round....

Thinblueline : 3/17/2017 4:38 pm
I have a gut feeling we draft this kid... Gives us a couple years to coach him up.... I like Maholmes too but think he will go earlier than we'd be willing to draft him...
I've got a fever.....  
Reb8thVA : 3/17/2017 4:40 pm : link
and the only thing that is gonna satisfy that fever is more cowbell.
I don't think he'll be there in the third round  
Rflairr : 3/17/2017 4:48 pm : link
Phil Simms said on Boomer's show, he likes him the best out all QBs in this draft
like him alot  
Andy in Boston : 3/17/2017 4:50 pm : link
He could last to the 4th.
His issues can be corrected.
I really like him...good arm, smart, very hard worker.  
yatqb : 3/17/2017 4:53 pm : link
Just what you want in a developmental QB.
At this point  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/17/2017 4:54 pm : link
You would need to trade up into the early 2nd round for him.

He is getting serious buzz after the combine.

I actually like him 2nd in the class behind Trubitsky- way ahead of Watson and Kizer.
If  
AcidTest : 3/17/2017 4:55 pm : link
we want Webb, we'll have to take him at #55. Some scouts think he has a stronger arm that Goff, and his work ethic and intangibles are incredible. By the time we reach #55, Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, and Kizer will all be gone. That by itself increases Webb's draft status.

Mahomes is still my dark horse pick for #23. He has an incredible arm, is mobile, and has a sturdy frame that can absorb hits. But he also has a "gunslinger" mentality, terrible footwork, and a "hero" mentality that makes it hard for him to give up on plays. He is a classic "high ceiling" "low floor" player.
Mahomes always seems to run when his first option is covered.  
yatqb : 3/17/2017 4:57 pm : link
I wonder how well he can process information. Great arm, but incredibly unorthodox release points.
RE: Mahomes always seems to run when his first option is covered.  
AcidTest : 3/17/2017 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13397383 yatqb said:
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I wonder how well he can process information. Great arm, but incredibly unorthodox release points.


Agreed. As I have said, I wouldn't take him at #23, but I could see the Giants doing so. Signing JPP increases the stability of the team, and Mahomes may remind McAdoo of a young Favre or Rodgers.
I like him  
mavric : 3/17/2017 5:19 pm : link
and have said so repeatedly. I would love for the Giants to get him in the 4th, but not sure he'll last that long.
He is the player I like as well.....  
Dry Lightning : 3/17/2017 6:30 pm : link
The player I think they draft will be Josh Dobbs.
Once the contract numbers come in for Geno Smith and Josh Johnson...  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/17/2017 6:43 pm : link
...we'll have a much better idea of how likely the Giants are to draft a QB before Day 3. Or on Day 3, for that matter, unless the value is compelling.

Personally, I think the likelihood is pretty close to zero no matter how small the guaranteed money for the backups is.
Great arm but I hate his character  
BurberryManning : 3/17/2017 7:09 pm : link
Webb committed to Colorado as a grad transfer and then waited until after the signing period and Spring practice before reneging on his commitment and bailing for Cal. During that period he was actively recruiting players for Colorado, telling the coaching staff that he was 100% committed to CU, and the coaching staff were structuring their plans around him. So by backing out at the very last minute, apparently because he feared competition from Sefo Luifau, he screwed over the coaching staff in structuring an offense around him, precluded them from focusing on other QB options, and deserted players that he steered towards the school.

Grad transfers are not bound by the same commitments as incoming freshman, thus Webb more or less had a call option; Colorado was legally bound to honor their offer to him but he wasn't bound to honor his commitment even past the signing period. I can understand an 18 year old jerking college coaches around up until Signing Day in February but it's rather lame for a 23 year old to ditch a staff in May or June when they they bent over backwards to accommodate him.

Great arm but I'm not too high on the character.

PS- Colorado was a top 15 team without Webb while Cal continued to struggle.
RE: Great arm but I hate his character  
AcidTest : 3/17/2017 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13397532 BurberryManning said:
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Webb committed to Colorado as a grad transfer and then waited until after the signing period and Spring practice before reneging on his commitment and bailing for Cal. During that period he was actively recruiting players for Colorado, telling the coaching staff that he was 100% committed to CU, and the coaching staff were structuring their plans around him. So by backing out at the very last minute, apparently because he feared competition from Sefo Luifau, he screwed over the coaching staff in structuring an offense around him, precluded them from focusing on other QB options, and deserted players that he steered towards the school.

Grad transfers are not bound by the same commitments as incoming freshman, thus Webb more or less had a call option; Colorado was legally bound to honor their offer to him but he wasn't bound to honor his commitment even past the signing period. I can understand an 18 year old jerking college coaches around up until Signing Day in February but it's rather lame for a 23 year old to ditch a staff in May or June when they they bent over backwards to accommodate him.

Great arm but I'm not too high on the character.

PS- Colorado was a top 15 team without Webb while Cal continued to struggle.


I didn't know that, which does speak negatively about him. Informative posts like this help make BBI worthwhile. My only response is that teams don't seem to care. They should, but they don't.
Geno  
Archer : 3/17/2017 7:39 pm : link
Now that we have Geno forget Webb
Read/heard he's moving up rapidly  
The_Boss : 3/17/2017 7:42 pm : link
Some think he's a late first possibly. I doubt he lasts until 55.
QB MPH  
Archer : 3/17/2017 7:45 pm : link
From Walter Football
Quote:

Pat Mahomes: 60 mph
Davis Webb: 59 mph
DeShone Kizer: 56 mph
Jerod Evans: 55 mph
Mitchell Trubisky: 55 mph
Brad Kaaya: 53 mph
Nathan Peterman: 53 mph
Deshaun Watson: 49 mph


Really not impressed with Mahomes accuracy.  
Giant John : 3/17/2017 8:29 pm : link
I think he has a problem.
Guys  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/17/2017 8:35 pm : link
If the Giants are seriously going to take a QB to groom in the 1st a la Rodgers it is not going to be Pat Mahomes. Think about what you are saying.
Hard for me to figure out who it would be in that situation, though.  
yatqb : 3/17/2017 9:07 pm : link
Watson? Kizer? Gotta figure that Trubisky will be first to go. I think he has the most potential.
RE: Hard for me to figure out who it would be in that situation, though.  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/17/2017 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13397657 yatqb said:
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Watson? Kizer? Gotta figure that Trubisky will be first to go. I think he has the most potential.


As do I. It is hard to get a qb in the 20's in the draft.

They are usually nowhere near pro ready which means you might as well wait until round 3 or 4 to grab the guy you are gonna have to groom anyway.
That makes sense if all things are equal...  
yatqb : 3/17/2017 10:05 pm : link
i.e., if the arm, smarts, character and leadership are similar.
RE: If  
Ned In Atlanta : 3/17/2017 11:23 pm : link
In comment 13397379 AcidTest said:
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we want Webb, we'll have to take him at #55. Some scouts think he has a stronger arm that Goff, and his work ethic and intangibles are incredible. By the time we reach #55, Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, and Kizer will all be gone. That by itself increases Webb's draft status.

Mahomes is still my dark horse pick for #23. He has an incredible arm, is mobile, and has a sturdy frame that can absorb hits. But he also has a "gunslinger" mentality, terrible footwork, and a "hero" mentality that makes it hard for him to give up on plays. He is a classic "high ceiling" "low floor" player.



I respect your opinion on these guys. From reading your posts I get the sense that you must watch a lot of college football because you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about a lot of players. I am all for a forward thinking draft strategy. With that being said, if reports are true and Eli has 2-3 years left, seems hard to imagine spending a pick on a qb that will essentially take the helm in his contract year when we have dire needs at OL, LB and TE
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