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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/18/2017 11:50 am
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Happy  
AnnapolisMike : 3/18/2017 12:49 pm : link
I like the focus on the defensive side of the ball. It's where championships are won and lost. What good has a shiny high powered offense done for the Giants when the defense was not good. All that gave us was sub .500 teams. Flip it around and the record was 11-5.

I think the Giants made the offense better and kept the defense good.
Clear Message  
DavidinBMNY : 3/18/2017 12:52 pm : link
The Giants are putting all the chips on the table. They know the Eli Manning Era is winding down and they are maximizing resources accordingly.

I love what they've done.

They've largely kept the defense in tact and they've addressed glaring weakness at WR and TE.

If they draft best player at position of need in the draft in the first few picks, I think that fits. I hope they don't reach in the draft, but I do thing they look a little more closely this year at immediate impact. Although my dark horse RD 1 pick is a CB, just because when DRC can't play, it's noticeably felt.

I like it  
illmatic : 3/18/2017 1:11 pm : link
With the Marshall and Ellison signings, they're setting themselves up for the offense to be better than last year, which everyone knew they needed to do. OL is probably a wash as of right now which isn't comforting at all but at least Fluker has some potentially and they can add more in the draft.

If they can bring back Hankins and add a vet RB, I'll be feeling pretty damn good heading into the draft. Still plenty of needs at that point including TE, OL, CB, DL, LB but they'll be set up pretty nicely.

Peterson/Charles/Blount plus Hankins, if they somehow have the space this year to make that happen, would be pretty awesome. They could use some talent and experience at RB. I like Perkins a lot but I don't know if I want to see a young rookie paired with him unless that rookie is a stud.
Whitworth was the guy I'd like to have landed.  
yatqb : 3/18/2017 1:11 pm : link
He's the one guy who was out there who could have made a huge impact on the OL.

Once he was gone, I think that Reese did all he could do to incrementally improve the team.

I still want Big Hank back...otherwise the defense has a new hole to fill.
liked all signings, except throwing money to the following JAGs  
Floyd_Fan : 3/18/2017 1:15 pm : link
Wynn, Darkwa,Johnson/Geno.
Whitworth  
annexOPR : 3/18/2017 1:18 pm : link
would be nice ... and then we'd be back in the same hole 2 years from now. Flowers is still young, hopefully can be coached up [I'm assuming he's week 1 LT]

I also don't think this teams window is short ... dominant defense with young talent on offense ... gear towards OL/defense and you can still be somewhat competitive even without the "franchise" QB [t helps, obviously]. I don't think this ship sinks when Eli retires, they just need to build an OL similar to Dallas' strategy and keep guys like Collins/Beckham in blue.
Resse  
AcidTest : 3/18/2017 1:21 pm : link
has done very well.

Marshall, Ellison, Fluker, and resigning JPP for a reasonable contract. Also not acceding to Hankins's ridiculous contract demands, or overpaying for FA OL.

Would have liked to sign Robinson, and have no interest in Smith. Jerry sort of meh. Thought we overpaid, but his play did improve last year.
Considering up against the cap this year, not any "quality" FA's esp  
micky : 3/18/2017 1:22 pm : link
positions, I can see it's not their fault on having to make minor acquisitions.

The draft may be same (considering down at #23) as most top teir will be off the board likely then.

Offense may be the same as last season as far as execution and play, but hoping that defense can still carry this team like last season.
Pretty good  
ChicagoMarty : 3/18/2017 1:26 pm : link
given what was out there and how much $ they had to work with.

Marshall and Ellison should make positive impacts on the O.

Dt's are a whole lot easier to obtain than quality OL

But with the way the game has evolved in the NFL I think the Jints are screwed until they replace Eli with a mobile qb. That won't happen imo for another year or two
Bring back Hank or add one more piece on Offense or Defense  
est1986 : 3/18/2017 1:27 pm : link
And im giving it a "A".
Just wish  
old man : 3/18/2017 1:31 pm : link
the JPP deal as it stands was done before the 9th; all things being equal we might have picked up a better than or additional OL to Fluker that was NOT JJerry.
Especially in a weak OL draft.
Just wish  
old man : 3/18/2017 1:32 pm : link
the JPP deal as it stands was done before the 9th; all things being equal we might have picked up a better than or additional OL to Fluker that was NOT JJerry.
Especially in a weak OL draft.
I understand all the moves they've made, but if they lose both Hankins  
Devon : 3/18/2017 1:35 pm : link
and Robinson, they aren't coming out any better than they went in and staying around the same is usually the same as going backwards in the NFL.

Adding a rich man's Bear Pascoe and current day Marshall isn't enough to offset those losses, if they happen, given how the defense will likely have to carry them again with how terrible their OT play is likely to be (and I'm not saying they should have broken the bank for any of the OL on the market; there was no one worth it... they got dealt the wrong hand for the wrong time on that front).

They're in a spot where they now need to really nail it in the draft, either adding a big defensive piece or somehow finding OL help that can immediately contribute.
Compared to our division  
mack809f : 3/18/2017 1:35 pm : link
I'd say we did fine. The Cowboys had significant losses at DB and OL, Redskins are a mess, only the Eagles did OK.
As I've said- slightly improved today than at the end of the year  
The_Boss : 3/18/2017 1:46 pm : link
But we're haven't closed the gap much on the top 4 teams in the conference. In the end, shouldn't that be the goal? Hopefully the draft is fruitful for us. Before some of you jump on me for posting my opinion, check Raanan's FA piece yesterday on ESPN. He essentially said the exact same thing. I think we are, at the very least, a virtual lock for a WC. A HR draft can elevate us.
Marshall - A Just what we needed  
Ira : 3/18/2017 1:57 pm : link
Ellison - B- Solid but overpaid
JPP - B Concerned about his injury history
Fluker - C His last two years have been poor
2 backup qb's - B Whichever one wins will be ok in that role.
Still hoping we sign Keenan Robinson and Zach Brown  
Anakim : 3/18/2017 2:05 pm : link
I think Hankins is a pipe dream
Ellison  
annexOPR : 3/18/2017 2:13 pm : link
will be a fan favorite. His blocking is going to be a huge addition to this offense.
Good, outside of not getting more help  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/18/2017 2:13 pm : link
for the OLine. Also help we can retain at least one of Robinson or Hankins, since it seems like no one is intent in giving Hankins some huge contract.
Very pleased with what Reese has done  
BillT : 3/18/2017 2:14 pm : link
This is a really good haul for the money they had. Folks tend not to count "signing your own" as a FA pickup but it is. JPP is as good a signing as most anyone had this year. Adding other pieces as well and this is a very good effort. And they may not be done.
help = hope.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/18/2017 2:14 pm : link
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It's been a great offseason so far  
David in LA : 3/18/2017 2:16 pm : link
We got Marshall on a below market deal. I am ok with the Ellison deal, and ecstatic that we got JPP back long term.
RE: Still hoping we sign Keenan Robinson and Zach Brown  
Klaatu : 3/18/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13398158 Anakim said:
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I think Hankins is a pipe dream


If the Raiders, who have a ton of cap space coupled with a huge need at LB, couldn't come to terms with Brown, what makes you think the Giants can?

As for Robinson, I have no idea what he's looking for, but I'd be very hesitant to give him a long-term deal because of his injury history.

I can certainly see the Giants waiting until after the draft to sign a lower-priced free agent LB (or two).

Hankins? His reported demands are nothing short of ridiculous.
RE: Still hoping we sign Keenan Robinson and Zach Brown  
dpinzow : 3/18/2017 2:23 pm : link
In comment 13398158 Anakim said:
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I think Hankins is a pipe dream


Not if Dontari Poe got only a year at $7.5M

Poe > Hankins
JPP and Marshall  
KWALL2 : 3/18/2017 2:31 pm : link
Great moves with these 2. Marshall has at least 2 years left of good ball.

The bad: Contract for Ellison, the OL isnt better, & RB depth blows.

Marshall and JPP playing like studs fixing just about everything.

I like it  
WillVAB : 3/18/2017 2:35 pm : link
Good value signings at positions of need with a ton of upside.
looking good so far.....  
George from PA : 3/18/2017 2:37 pm : link
The draft is the key to any off-season but

Marshall is such a prefect fit.

JPP signed for more but $$$ are nuts but deal is better then the tag.

I feel Fluker in a new environment can prove worthy.....we still need another tackle.

I am perfectly find with the new blocking TE



I think we should have fixed the OL  
shelovesnycsports : 3/18/2017 2:40 pm : link
At least one side of it. Eli,the receivers,Perkins are all useless without protection and blocking. Defense was pretty solid when JPP was out.
Only really cracked when DRC went down. JPP hasn't been great since 2011. Unless he becomes that guy again we overpaid big time.

Geno Smith is going to run an offense that counts on the QB presnap reading the defense and then calling the play? A rapid fire offense? A guy who had problems running basic WC schemes? With this Oline? This one makes me wonder.

RE: Because of the franchise of JPP, we lost out on the best  
djm : 3/18/2017 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13398030 Ira said:
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available ol. I like the Marshall signing. That's about it.


This is gonna be one of the more annoying and likely false narratives of this offseason.
You do what you can with what you have.  
Klaatu : 3/18/2017 2:49 pm : link
The Giants didn't have much to begin with, but it seems to me they made the most of their limited resources.

Now they need another good, solid draft (and that includes UDFAs), and I wouldn't be surprised if they rounded things out after the draft with some low-priced free agent signings for depth/insurance.

It also wouldn't hurt if their second and third-year guys stepped up their games a bit.
RE: As I've said- slightly improved today than at the end of the year  
BigBlueShock : 3/18/2017 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13398144 The_Boss said:
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But we're haven't closed the gap much on the top 4 teams in the conference. In the end, shouldn't that be the goal? Hopefully the draft is fruitful for us. Before some of you jump on me for posting my opinion, check Raanan's FA piece yesterday on ESPN. He essentially said the exact same thing. I think we are, at the very least, a virtual lock for a WC. A HR draft can elevate us.

You don't think they've closed the gap on Dallas? Seriously? Dallas lost their entire secondary, among other things, including probably Romo. The Giants didn't have to make a single move and that gap has closed simply based on Dallas coming back to the pack with huge losses
...  
annexOPR : 3/18/2017 3:02 pm : link
on top of the fact they swept Dallas ... so sick of how "good" the cowboys are made out to be

RE: RE: As I've said- slightly improved today than at the end of the year  
dpinzow : 3/18/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13398207 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13398144 The_Boss said:


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But we're haven't closed the gap much on the top 4 teams in the conference. In the end, shouldn't that be the goal? Hopefully the draft is fruitful for us. Before some of you jump on me for posting my opinion, check Raanan's FA piece yesterday on ESPN. He essentially said the exact same thing. I think we are, at the very least, a virtual lock for a WC. A HR draft can elevate us.


You don't think they've closed the gap on Dallas? Seriously? Dallas lost their entire secondary, among other things, including probably Romo. The Giants didn't have to make a single move and that gap has closed simply based on Dallas coming back to the pack with huge losses


Dallas also lost the right side of their OL (Leary to Denver, Free to retirement)
RE: As I've said- slightly improved today than at the end of the year  
dpinzow : 3/18/2017 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13398144 The_Boss said:
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But we're haven't closed the gap much on the top 4 teams in the conference. In the end, shouldn't that be the goal? Hopefully the draft is fruitful for us. Before some of you jump on me for posting my opinion, check Raanan's FA piece yesterday on ESPN. He essentially said the exact same thing. I think we are, at the very least, a virtual lock for a WC. A HR draft can elevate us.


Dallas lost the right side of their offensive line. Their defense is still below average and they had no cap room to make major additions to improve.

Seattle continues to see its championship window close. They're not far from an overhaul as Wilson eats up more of their cap.

GB and ATL got better with Martellus to the Packers and Poe to Atlanta
Wait till the draft  
LCtheINTMachine : 3/18/2017 3:36 pm : link
That's when Jerry does his best work. I got a good feeling he'll surprise us with a major stud.
It keeps getting better.  
GMen23 : 3/18/2017 3:38 pm : link
Knowing how limited our money was this year, I like where we're going. The OL must improve to not bring us down, but the money paid to below avg. linemen (Remmers?, Kahil?), no way we we should pay that, never mind the Whitworth Zeitler money. Jpp was my #1 priority, and I was banging the table that Brandon would give us a discount.
I'm not ruling out a 1st rd OL. As much as everyone keeps saying it's a terrible draft for OL's, there's 3-5 graded right at 23. I'd love another weapon, but give me protection and holes for the weapons we have.
Have worked the cap as well as can be expected.....draft needs reduced  
edavisiii : 3/18/2017 4:08 pm : link
The one thing I feared was that they would go into the draft saying we need to draft a ?????? Since they got a large WR,a blocking Tight end, a backup QB, Fluker + Khaled Holmes (he could provide interior OL depth) and resigned JPP, we closed up some of the most glaring holes. With the draft being so deep, you want them to be able to take the best players available @ 23 and 55, especially if someone highly ranked happens to fall. I wish I had a list of all the prospects people have said, "will not be there at 23!" because, to be honest, there would be more than 23 on that list...someone will fall to 23 and probably to 55. I really feel at 88, we could get a real good RB if we don't take one earlier. It would be nice to get Hankins and Robinson back but we will see!
Ellison  
Gazo827 : 3/18/2017 4:09 pm : link
has his moment to shine. Hes not just a blocking TE. He can be weapon as well. He just nvr had a shot being rudolphs backup. He has experience as a FB. That can hopefully create a personal of him n adams out there together. Also keeping vereen n having him out there picking up blitzes is huge. I just hope mcadoo n the giants will use the flexibility we should now have instead of being predictable again. N hope he still has trust in Eli. N get back to some 3plus wr sets n let eli do what hes great at. I kno running the football is huge. I am in the camp of Eli still has it n dont want to totally turn into a conservative ground n pound team. We should be able to actually open up some leads for once with our D n Eli putting that final nail in the opponents coffin. As long as we can run n block better. Hopefully that opens things up for Eli to start carving up Ds again.
" looking good Billy Ray"  
gtt350 : 3/18/2017 4:14 pm : link
" feeling good Louis"
"Dallas lost the right side of their offensive line" is catchy,  
WillieYoung : 3/18/2017 5:15 pm : link
but it is an alternative fact. Leary started at left guard. Martin is the right guard. Hankins blew Martin up in both games which is why I want to resign Hankins.
Not Bad at All  
Samiam : 3/18/2017 5:26 pm : link
One of the reasons Reese had money to spend last year is that he didn't piss away big bucks on average talent. I think he continued down that route again. The available OL free agents were way overpaid either in salary or length of contract. And, for the most part, thry were not a major upgrade over Fluker except the old man who got the 3 year deal.

Also, TEs coming out of college generally don't block. And that was a major deficiency on the roster last year. They corrected the problem and sre now in s position to draft one of these matchup college TEs in a mid round. Marshall is a huge upgrade over Cruz and when you factor in his blocking, not many college WRs bring to the table what he does and a 2 year deal.

With not a lot of money to spend, and I don't think they restructured anybody, they're going into the draft without critical needs - at least those that could have been fixed by free agency in a responsible way. I also expect a premium pick to be used on the OL since that is still the big weakness. All in all I think they did ok considering the money situation and what was available
well said Sam  
gtt350 : 3/18/2017 5:44 pm : link
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RE:  
montanagiant : 3/18/2017 5:48 pm : link
In comment 13398377 WillieYoung said:
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but it is an alternative fact. Leary started at left guard. Martin is the right guard. Hankins blew Martin up in both games which is why I want to resign Hankins.

They also have lost their whole starting secondary from last year.
Feeling good...  
trueblueinpw : 3/18/2017 5:52 pm : link
I think JR has always been pretty good at knowing when to hold 'em and knowing when to fold 'em. Knowing when to walk away and knowing when to run. He never counts his money, when he's sitting at the table...

Ok, enough of that.

Yeah, I think getting JPP was terrific. I think TE was a huge problem for the offense and I'm interested to see how Ellison contributes to the team. I like the Flukker signing but don't expect too much from it. I love the Marshall get and think the deal JR signed him to was just right. There wasn't any one FA out there that I thought was critical for the Giants to sign beside JPP. Would love to keep Big Hank (but not for $10M per) and thought BM would be a terrific addition.

So, yeah, feeling pretty good.

I will say though, my concerns with JR have been his production in the draft. So let's not get too excited just yet.
RE: As I've said- slightly improved today than at the end of the year  
WillVAB : 3/18/2017 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13398144 The_Boss said:
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But we're haven't closed the gap much on the top 4 teams in the conference. In the end, shouldn't that be the goal? Hopefully the draft is fruitful for us. Before some of you jump on me for posting my opinion, check Raanan's FA piece yesterday on ESPN. He essentially said the exact same thing. I think we are, at the very least, a virtual lock for a WC. A HR draft can elevate us.


This is such a worthless chalk post.

We haven't closed the gap? Who are the top 4 teams?

A draft can elevate us? No shit, that's the driving force behind the good teams year to year.
I like the offseason so far  
Rjanyg : 3/18/2017 9:29 pm : link
Tagging JPP and getting him signed to a long term deal is huge.

Brandon Marshall is a very good signing especially for the price. He will help take pressure off of OBJ & Shep.

Ellison is a solid signing. Can play FB, HB, TE, specials.

I know I'm in the minority but I love the Fluker signing. I wish it was for Joh Jerrys contract though. I have a feeling he will do well and then we won't be able to sign him next year.

Jerry re-signing is ok. He is at least a starter if we can't upgrade in the draft.

Johnson, Wynn, Tye and Darkwa are all cheap depth.

Begin back DeOssie is very good. Pro bowler.

Hankins and Robinson may leave which sucks but I am still hopeful we bring one of them back.

Looking forward to the draft. Maybe we get a new TE or LB in round 1??!

Still some potential moves out there to be made...  
Torrag : 3/18/2017 11:24 pm : link
...both before and after the draft that can improve this roster. DT and WILL backer come to mind.
I think they probably should have not worried about Hankins  
David B. : 3/19/2017 12:45 am : link
and let Bromley and/or perhaps a draft choice "hold the fort" and really fixed the OL. As someone said earlier Whitworth was the only real solid OT available. That said, I like Hankins, and if they can bring him back for a decent price, great.

Marshall. I like the Marshall signing if he's not a locker room problem. He's a legit #2 WR (DESPERATELY NEEDED) who's going to make teams pay for doubling OBJ.

Fluker upgrades the run-blocking on the right side of the OL (also DESPERATELY NEEDED), but unless the bulb finally goes on for him, it doesn't upgrade the pass protection.

Who the hell knows what the damn OL will look like this year? Different, yes. Better? Not necessarily. Maybe they have some luck finding some help in the draft.

John Jerry - the guy already knows the system which likely puts him ahead of any available FA replacements -- probably cheaper, too. Hopefully he finally becomes a backup.

Blocking TE/FB -- HELL YES, please. Let's see them run more than one formation. But it still doesn't address that Tye sucks and Adams isn't a solid starter yet. They MUST upgrade the TE position in the draft and it's a great year to do so.

JPP -- JPP is a good player who wanted to be paid like a great player, but he hasn't been that since he was surrounded by other great DLs. With his age, injury history, and production (not to mention a history of jack-assedry) I don't think he's worth the contract he got. But there were no better options available for a team that is in win-now mode. Problem is, even if he plays 16 games and logs 10+ sacks, the Giants STILL need another pass-rusher to go with him and Vernon. The two of them alone just don't get to the QB enough.

Josh Johnson. Fine. Hope he never gets a snap.

Geno Smith. Hate it. Locker room douche. Hope he never gets a snap. Don't get it.

If they draft a QB, one of these guys will get cut.

RE: Whitworth  
Jersey55 : 3/19/2017 11:01 am : link
In comment 13398108 annexOPR said:
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would be nice ... and then we'd be back in the same hole 2 years from now. Flowers is still young, hopefully can be coached up [I'm assuming he's week 1 LT]

I also don't think this teams window is short ... dominant defense with young talent on offense ... gear towards OL/defense and you can still be somewhat competitive even without the "franchise" QB [t helps, obviously]. I don't think this ship sinks when Eli retires, they just need to build an OL similar to Dallas' strategy and keep guys like Collins/Beckham in blue.


signing Whitworth would have given us an extension in time to find a younger player and develop him and by that time Eli would be most likely finished..
I think Reece has done ok  
Bluesbreaker : 3/19/2017 11:15 am : link
given the little room he had cap wise . I still don't
like the O-line unless they decide to make another move
to add another starter . Going with Flowers at LT ?
Jerry and Hart/Fluker .
I fine with Marshal huge need blocking TE will help .
don't like the RB situation need a TE that can run the
seam . Most likely an edge rusher and MLB .
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