At least one side of it. Eli,the receivers,Perkins are all useless without protection and blocking. Defense was pretty solid when JPP was out.
Only really cracked when DRC went down. JPP hasn't been great since 2011. Unless he becomes that guy again we overpaid big time.
Geno Smith is going to run an offense that counts on the QB presnap reading the defense and then calling the play? A rapid fire offense? A guy who had problems running basic WC schemes? With this Oline? This one makes me wonder.
RE: Because of the franchise of JPP, we lost out on the best
The Giants didn't have much to begin with, but it seems to me they made the most of their limited resources.
Now they need another good, solid draft (and that includes UDFAs), and I wouldn't be surprised if they rounded things out after the draft with some low-priced free agent signings for depth/insurance.
It also wouldn't hurt if their second and third-year guys stepped up their games a bit.
RE: As I've said- slightly improved today than at the end of the year
But we're haven't closed the gap much on the top 4 teams in the conference. In the end, shouldn't that be the goal? Hopefully the draft is fruitful for us. Before some of you jump on me for posting my opinion, check Raanan's FA piece yesterday on ESPN. He essentially said the exact same thing. I think we are, at the very least, a virtual lock for a WC. A HR draft can elevate us.
You don't think they've closed the gap on Dallas? Seriously? Dallas lost their entire secondary, among other things, including probably Romo. The Giants didn't have to make a single move and that gap has closed simply based on Dallas coming back to the pack with huge losses
But we're haven't closed the gap much on the top 4 teams in the conference. In the end, shouldn't that be the goal? Hopefully the draft is fruitful for us. Before some of you jump on me for posting my opinion, check Raanan's FA piece yesterday on ESPN. He essentially said the exact same thing. I think we are, at the very least, a virtual lock for a WC. A HR draft can elevate us.
You don't think they've closed the gap on Dallas? Seriously? Dallas lost their entire secondary, among other things, including probably Romo. The Giants didn't have to make a single move and that gap has closed simply based on Dallas coming back to the pack with huge losses
Dallas also lost the right side of their OL (Leary to Denver, Free to retirement)
RE: As I've said- slightly improved today than at the end of the year
But we're haven't closed the gap much on the top 4 teams in the conference. In the end, shouldn't that be the goal? Hopefully the draft is fruitful for us. Before some of you jump on me for posting my opinion, check Raanan's FA piece yesterday on ESPN. He essentially said the exact same thing. I think we are, at the very least, a virtual lock for a WC. A HR draft can elevate us.
Dallas lost the right side of their offensive line. Their defense is still below average and they had no cap room to make major additions to improve.
Seattle continues to see its championship window close. They're not far from an overhaul as Wilson eats up more of their cap.
GB and ATL got better with Martellus to the Packers and Poe to Atlanta
Knowing how limited our money was this year, I like where we're going. The OL must improve to not bring us down, but the money paid to below avg. linemen (Remmers?, Kahil?), no way we we should pay that, never mind the Whitworth Zeitler money. Jpp was my #1 priority, and I was banging the table that Brandon would give us a discount.
I'm not ruling out a 1st rd OL. As much as everyone keeps saying it's a terrible draft for OL's, there's 3-5 graded right at 23. I'd love another weapon, but give me protection and holes for the weapons we have.
Have worked the cap as well as can be expected.....draft needs reduced
The one thing I feared was that they would go into the draft saying we need to draft a ?????? Since they got a large WR,a blocking Tight end, a backup QB, Fluker + Khaled Holmes (he could provide interior OL depth) and resigned JPP, we closed up some of the most glaring holes. With the draft being so deep, you want them to be able to take the best players available @ 23 and 55, especially if someone highly ranked happens to fall. I wish I had a list of all the prospects people have said, "will not be there at 23!" because, to be honest, there would be more than 23 on that list...someone will fall to 23 and probably to 55. I really feel at 88, we could get a real good RB if we don't take one earlier. It would be nice to get Hankins and Robinson back but we will see!
has his moment to shine. Hes not just a blocking TE. He can be weapon as well. He just nvr had a shot being rudolphs backup. He has experience as a FB. That can hopefully create a personal of him n adams out there together. Also keeping vereen n having him out there picking up blitzes is huge. I just hope mcadoo n the giants will use the flexibility we should now have instead of being predictable again. N hope he still has trust in Eli. N get back to some 3plus wr sets n let eli do what hes great at. I kno running the football is huge. I am in the camp of Eli still has it n dont want to totally turn into a conservative ground n pound team. We should be able to actually open up some leads for once with our D n Eli putting that final nail in the opponents coffin. As long as we can run n block better. Hopefully that opens things up for Eli to start carving up Ds again.
but it is an alternative fact. Leary started at left guard. Martin is the right guard. Hankins blew Martin up in both games which is why I want to resign Hankins.
One of the reasons Reese had money to spend last year is that he didn't piss away big bucks on average talent. I think he continued down that route again. The available OL free agents were way overpaid either in salary or length of contract. And, for the most part, thry were not a major upgrade over Fluker except the old man who got the 3 year deal.
Also, TEs coming out of college generally don't block. And that was a major deficiency on the roster last year. They corrected the problem and sre now in s position to draft one of these matchup college TEs in a mid round. Marshall is a huge upgrade over Cruz and when you factor in his blocking, not many college WRs bring to the table what he does and a 2 year deal.
With not a lot of money to spend, and I don't think they restructured anybody, they're going into the draft without critical needs - at least those that could have been fixed by free agency in a responsible way. I also expect a premium pick to be used on the OL since that is still the big weakness. All in all I think they did ok considering the money situation and what was available
but it is an alternative fact. Leary started at left guard. Martin is the right guard. Hankins blew Martin up in both games which is why I want to resign Hankins.
They also have lost their whole starting secondary from last year.
I think JR has always been pretty good at knowing when to hold 'em and knowing when to fold 'em. Knowing when to walk away and knowing when to run. He never counts his money, when he's sitting at the table...
Ok, enough of that.
Yeah, I think getting JPP was terrific. I think TE was a huge problem for the offense and I'm interested to see how Ellison contributes to the team. I like the Flukker signing but don't expect too much from it. I love the Marshall get and think the deal JR signed him to was just right. There wasn't any one FA out there that I thought was critical for the Giants to sign beside JPP. Would love to keep Big Hank (but not for $10M per) and thought BM would be a terrific addition.
So, yeah, feeling pretty good.
I will say though, my concerns with JR have been his production in the draft. So let's not get too excited just yet.
RE: As I've said- slightly improved today than at the end of the year
But we're haven't closed the gap much on the top 4 teams in the conference. In the end, shouldn't that be the goal? Hopefully the draft is fruitful for us. Before some of you jump on me for posting my opinion, check Raanan's FA piece yesterday on ESPN. He essentially said the exact same thing. I think we are, at the very least, a virtual lock for a WC. A HR draft can elevate us.
This is such a worthless chalk post.
We haven't closed the gap? Who are the top 4 teams?
A draft can elevate us? No shit, that's the driving force behind the good teams year to year.
Tagging JPP and getting him signed to a long term deal is huge.
Brandon Marshall is a very good signing especially for the price. He will help take pressure off of OBJ & Shep.
Ellison is a solid signing. Can play FB, HB, TE, specials.
I know I'm in the minority but I love the Fluker signing. I wish it was for Joh Jerrys contract though. I have a feeling he will do well and then we won't be able to sign him next year.
Jerry re-signing is ok. He is at least a starter if we can't upgrade in the draft.
Johnson, Wynn, Tye and Darkwa are all cheap depth.
Begin back DeOssie is very good. Pro bowler.
Hankins and Robinson may leave which sucks but I am still hopeful we bring one of them back.
Looking forward to the draft. Maybe we get a new TE or LB in round 1??!
Still some potential moves out there to be made...
and let Bromley and/or perhaps a draft choice "hold the fort" and really fixed the OL. As someone said earlier Whitworth was the only real solid OT available. That said, I like Hankins, and if they can bring him back for a decent price, great.
Marshall. I like the Marshall signing if he's not a locker room problem. He's a legit #2 WR (DESPERATELY NEEDED) who's going to make teams pay for doubling OBJ.
Fluker upgrades the run-blocking on the right side of the OL (also DESPERATELY NEEDED), but unless the bulb finally goes on for him, it doesn't upgrade the pass protection.
Who the hell knows what the damn OL will look like this year? Different, yes. Better? Not necessarily. Maybe they have some luck finding some help in the draft.
John Jerry - the guy already knows the system which likely puts him ahead of any available FA replacements -- probably cheaper, too. Hopefully he finally becomes a backup.
Blocking TE/FB -- HELL YES, please. Let's see them run more than one formation. But it still doesn't address that Tye sucks and Adams isn't a solid starter yet. They MUST upgrade the TE position in the draft and it's a great year to do so.
JPP -- JPP is a good player who wanted to be paid like a great player, but he hasn't been that since he was surrounded by other great DLs. With his age, injury history, and production (not to mention a history of jack-assedry) I don't think he's worth the contract he got. But there were no better options available for a team that is in win-now mode. Problem is, even if he plays 16 games and logs 10+ sacks, the Giants STILL need another pass-rusher to go with him and Vernon. The two of them alone just don't get to the QB enough.
Josh Johnson. Fine. Hope he never gets a snap.
Geno Smith. Hate it. Locker room douche. Hope he never gets a snap. Don't get it.
If they draft a QB, one of these guys will get cut.
would be nice ... and then we'd be back in the same hole 2 years from now. Flowers is still young, hopefully can be coached up [I'm assuming he's week 1 LT]
I also don't think this teams window is short ... dominant defense with young talent on offense ... gear towards OL/defense and you can still be somewhat competitive even without the "franchise" QB [t helps, obviously]. I don't think this ship sinks when Eli retires, they just need to build an OL similar to Dallas' strategy and keep guys like Collins/Beckham in blue.
signing Whitworth would have given us an extension in time to find a younger player and develop him and by that time Eli would be most likely finished..
given the little room he had cap wise . I still don't
like the O-line unless they decide to make another move
to add another starter . Going with Flowers at LT ?
Jerry and Hart/Fluker .
I fine with Marshal huge need blocking TE will help .
don't like the RB situation need a TE that can run the
seam . Most likely an edge rusher and MLB .
If the Raiders, who have a ton of cap space coupled with a huge need at LB, couldn't come to terms with Brown, what makes you think the Giants can?
As for Robinson, I have no idea what he's looking for, but I'd be very hesitant to give him a long-term deal because of his injury history.
I can certainly see the Giants waiting until after the draft to sign a lower-priced free agent LB (or two).
Hankins? His reported demands are nothing short of ridiculous.
Not if Dontari Poe got only a year at $7.5M
Poe > Hankins
The bad: Contract for Ellison, the OL isnt better, & RB depth blows.
Marshall and JPP playing like studs fixing just about everything.
Marshall is such a prefect fit.
JPP signed for more but $$$ are nuts but deal is better then the tag.
I feel Fluker in a new environment can prove worthy.....we still need another tackle.
I am perfectly find with the new blocking TE
Only really cracked when DRC went down. JPP hasn't been great since 2011. Unless he becomes that guy again we overpaid big time.
Geno Smith is going to run an offense that counts on the QB presnap reading the defense and then calling the play? A rapid fire offense? A guy who had problems running basic WC schemes? With this Oline? This one makes me wonder.
This is gonna be one of the more annoying and likely false narratives of this offseason.
Now they need another good, solid draft (and that includes UDFAs), and I wouldn't be surprised if they rounded things out after the draft with some low-priced free agent signings for depth/insurance.
It also wouldn't hurt if their second and third-year guys stepped up their games a bit.
You don't think they've closed the gap on Dallas? Seriously? Dallas lost their entire secondary, among other things, including probably Romo. The Giants didn't have to make a single move and that gap has closed simply based on Dallas coming back to the pack with huge losses
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But we're haven't closed the gap much on the top 4 teams in the conference. In the end, shouldn't that be the goal? Hopefully the draft is fruitful for us. Before some of you jump on me for posting my opinion, check Raanan's FA piece yesterday on ESPN. He essentially said the exact same thing. I think we are, at the very least, a virtual lock for a WC. A HR draft can elevate us.
You don't think they've closed the gap on Dallas? Seriously? Dallas lost their entire secondary, among other things, including probably Romo. The Giants didn't have to make a single move and that gap has closed simply based on Dallas coming back to the pack with huge losses
Dallas also lost the right side of their OL (Leary to Denver, Free to retirement)
Dallas lost the right side of their offensive line. Their defense is still below average and they had no cap room to make major additions to improve.
Seattle continues to see its championship window close. They're not far from an overhaul as Wilson eats up more of their cap.
GB and ATL got better with Martellus to the Packers and Poe to Atlanta
I'm not ruling out a 1st rd OL. As much as everyone keeps saying it's a terrible draft for OL's, there's 3-5 graded right at 23. I'd love another weapon, but give me protection and holes for the weapons we have.
Also, TEs coming out of college generally don't block. And that was a major deficiency on the roster last year. They corrected the problem and sre now in s position to draft one of these matchup college TEs in a mid round. Marshall is a huge upgrade over Cruz and when you factor in his blocking, not many college WRs bring to the table what he does and a 2 year deal.
With not a lot of money to spend, and I don't think they restructured anybody, they're going into the draft without critical needs - at least those that could have been fixed by free agency in a responsible way. I also expect a premium pick to be used on the OL since that is still the big weakness. All in all I think they did ok considering the money situation and what was available
They also have lost their whole starting secondary from last year.
Ok, enough of that.
Yeah, I think getting JPP was terrific. I think TE was a huge problem for the offense and I'm interested to see how Ellison contributes to the team. I like the Flukker signing but don't expect too much from it. I love the Marshall get and think the deal JR signed him to was just right. There wasn't any one FA out there that I thought was critical for the Giants to sign beside JPP. Would love to keep Big Hank (but not for $10M per) and thought BM would be a terrific addition.
So, yeah, feeling pretty good.
I will say though, my concerns with JR have been his production in the draft. So let's not get too excited just yet.
This is such a worthless chalk post.
We haven't closed the gap? Who are the top 4 teams?
A draft can elevate us? No shit, that's the driving force behind the good teams year to year.
Brandon Marshall is a very good signing especially for the price. He will help take pressure off of OBJ & Shep.
Ellison is a solid signing. Can play FB, HB, TE, specials.
I know I'm in the minority but I love the Fluker signing. I wish it was for Joh Jerrys contract though. I have a feeling he will do well and then we won't be able to sign him next year.
Jerry re-signing is ok. He is at least a starter if we can't upgrade in the draft.
Johnson, Wynn, Tye and Darkwa are all cheap depth.
Begin back DeOssie is very good. Pro bowler.
Hankins and Robinson may leave which sucks but I am still hopeful we bring one of them back.
Looking forward to the draft. Maybe we get a new TE or LB in round 1??!
Marshall. I like the Marshall signing if he's not a locker room problem. He's a legit #2 WR (DESPERATELY NEEDED) who's going to make teams pay for doubling OBJ.
Fluker upgrades the run-blocking on the right side of the OL (also DESPERATELY NEEDED), but unless the bulb finally goes on for him, it doesn't upgrade the pass protection.
Who the hell knows what the damn OL will look like this year? Different, yes. Better? Not necessarily. Maybe they have some luck finding some help in the draft.
John Jerry - the guy already knows the system which likely puts him ahead of any available FA replacements -- probably cheaper, too. Hopefully he finally becomes a backup.
Blocking TE/FB -- HELL YES, please. Let's see them run more than one formation. But it still doesn't address that Tye sucks and Adams isn't a solid starter yet. They MUST upgrade the TE position in the draft and it's a great year to do so.
JPP -- JPP is a good player who wanted to be paid like a great player, but he hasn't been that since he was surrounded by other great DLs. With his age, injury history, and production (not to mention a history of jack-assedry) I don't think he's worth the contract he got. But there were no better options available for a team that is in win-now mode. Problem is, even if he plays 16 games and logs 10+ sacks, the Giants STILL need another pass-rusher to go with him and Vernon. The two of them alone just don't get to the QB enough.
Josh Johnson. Fine. Hope he never gets a snap.
Geno Smith. Hate it. Locker room douche. Hope he never gets a snap. Don't get it.
If they draft a QB, one of these guys will get cut.
I also don't think this teams window is short ... dominant defense with young talent on offense ... gear towards OL/defense and you can still be somewhat competitive even without the "franchise" QB [t helps, obviously]. I don't think this ship sinks when Eli retires, they just need to build an OL similar to Dallas' strategy and keep guys like Collins/Beckham in blue.
signing Whitworth would have given us an extension in time to find a younger player and develop him and by that time Eli would be most likely finished..
like the O-line unless they decide to make another move
to add another starter . Going with Flowers at LT ?
Jerry and Hart/Fluker .
I fine with Marshal huge need blocking TE will help .
don't like the RB situation need a TE that can run the
seam . Most likely an edge rusher and MLB .