My apologies if this has been discussed already. I did a search and didn't find any current threads on this. JPP is the only 1st Round pick with Jerry Reese as the GM to be signed to a second, long term contract.
Here are the first round picks in the Reese era:
2007 - CB Aaron Ross
2008 - S Kenny Phillips
2009 - WR Hakeem Nicks
2010 - DE Jason Pierre-Paul
2011 - CB Prince Amukamara
2012 - RB David Wilson
2013 - OL Justin Pugh
2014 - WR Odell Beckham Jr
2015 - OL Ereck Flowers
2016 - CB Eli Apple
Injuries shortened the career's of Phillips, Nicks and Wilson. Ross and Prince didn't quite live up to expectations so they weren't re-signed for performance reasons. Pugh, Beckham, Flowers and Apple are still on their rookie contracts.
So Jason Pierre-Paul is the only 1st Round pick to be signed to a second long term contract in the Reese era.
Next up to hit free agency is OL Justin Pugh. Will he be the second first round pick to get a long term, second contract?
2010 - DE Jason Pierre-Paul
2009 - WR Hakeem Nicks
2013 - OL Justin Pugh
2016 - CB Eli Apple
2008 - S Kenny Phillips
2011 - CB Prince Amukamara
2007 - CB Aaron Ross
2015 - OL Ereck Flowers
2012 - RB David Wilson
Of course things can change with Odell, JPP, Pugh, Apple and Flowers. But Odell will get his and so will Pugh if he stays healthy this year. Time will tell with Apple and Flowers who are 21 and 22 years old.
Terrell Thomas had actually agreed on an extension but it had a team option that the Giants declined after he tore his ACL for the second year in a row. The Giants were also in talks with Steve Smith about a contract extension at the time of his injury.
Yeah, the Giants picked up his 5th year option, most likely to see if he could stay healthy, but he still couldn't.
Out of 250 or so players drafted every year, about 30-35 will re-sign with the team that drafted them after their rookie contracts have expired.
The rest will either be long out of football or they will have moved on along the way to another team, and then another, and then another, until no one wants them anymore.
The vast majority of drafted players will never rise above replacement level. That is, they remain on the roster of the team that drafted them for two or three years as a backup and special teams player. They may have the chance to start a few games because of someone else's injury. Then they are replaced by more recent draft picks and undrafted free agents, and the cycle starts all over again.
Don't buy into the pre-draft hype about all these players from the Kipers and Mayocks and all these other geniuses. Despite what you are hearing in the days and weeks leading up to the draft, most of the guys taken next month will do little or nothing significant in pro football and in about three years you'll barely remember them.
2008 - S Kenny Phillips (nearly no ints in college nearly none in nfl, still useful piece, but not a first round great value either)
2009 - WR Hakeem Nicks (short term very useful)
2010 - DE Jason Pierre-Paul (great draft pick)
2011 - CB Prince Amukamara (useful piece for a while, but not great value as a first rounder)
2012 - RB David Wilson (head scratcher at the time)
2013 - OL Justin Pugh (will get second contract, but as a tackle! ;-0 )
2014 - WR Odell Beckham Jr (keep da kid)
2015 - OL Ereck Flowers (as a guard or ORT IF the kid hunkers down bigly)
2016 - CB Eli Apple (good solid pick)
As the last pick in the 1st Round of the 2008 draft, he represented tremendous value.
solid pick, not great.
Of BBI can't at least agree on this, I'm not sure what I'm doing here.
I would argue that looking at that list that Reese is as close to amazing as it gets when it comes to 1st round picks and that most of you who are complaining have zero concept of the actual rate of success in selecting 1st rounders.
Now....you want to bash Reese for his picks in rounds 3-6 and I will lead the party. He is abominable in those rounds.
Conventional wisdom: It was a bad year if you were looking for a surefire shutdown corner or generally elite prospect. On the other hand, if you just needed a serviceable corner, there were plenty to choose from. The consensus top three prospects at the position were all from smaller programs: Troy, Tennessee State, and South Florida (which has been successful recently but was almost entirely unknown in 2008). If you needed a safety instead of a corner, you were better off looking elsewhere, as not many had the makeup of high picks.
Highest pick: Leodis McKelvin, Troy, 11th overall to the Bills.
Best player: A very muddled picture with no clear winner. The contenders include Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Aqib Talib, Brandon Flowers, and Brandon Carr, plus Thomas DeCoud and maybe Tyvon Branch at safety. I would rate Flowers as the best choice among that grouping, but a good argument could probably get me to go a different direction. The FO game charting stats would probably pick a different guy each year, with DRC as the top guy in 2013.
Biggest bust: Kenny Phillips is the highest-drafted defensive back no longer playing, but he was a good player at times before persistent injury issues knocked him out of the league. Instead, take your pick of a number of second- and third-round picks, including small school (Arkansas State) safety Tyrell Johnson to the Vikings, Packers cornerback Patrick Lee, and Patriots corner Terrence Wheatley in the second round, plus Chevis Jackson to the Falcons, Reggie Smith to the 49ers, and safety DaJuan Morgan to the Chiefs in the third. Personally, I will also have a soft spot for Tom Zbikowski -- not a pure bust but a player who was overhyped from the time he was a five-star high school recruit. While playing, he attributed his two best seasons to out of control drinking.
Best value: Carr in the fifth round to the Chiefs is the clear winner here. Seventh-rounder Cary Williams eventually turned into a player, though not Carr's equal and not for the Titans team that drafted him. Branch was a fourth-rounder for the Raiders.
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Remember, we had a need at safety, and still had a fairly good set up to USE or take advantage of any good safety.
Kenny was a reliable safety valve and solid tackler, which is, to be fair, very important.
But to garner the word 'great' you need to put the INT fear into the QB and that's not that type of safeties game.
tremendous value? please. no.
Tyrell Johnson? The same Tyrell Johnson who was drafted 11 spots later than Phillips and had two whole interceptions in his entire career? Don't make me laugh.
You get a potential top ten pick at #19 and that doesn't represent tremendous value? Yeah...sure.
In addition, 'starting' means shit if you don't have anyone else at the position.
Yes, you can -easily- find a 'starting free safety' at first round #32 if the next best safety on your team sucks. Very easily if you include all dbacks in your safety search.
I said "solid" and 'good not great'.
Pick one. Great? Puh-lease.
Yeah...sure.
In addition, Wilson, playing behind a line that LACKED big guards, and being a tiny lil' fella', was considered a head scratcher at the time by many on BBI., injury risk. not priority in order.
Each time you respond, it goes up a notch. At least, you have given up your profanities.
College does not equal the NFL.
Perceived value on draft day is important ...but only in measuring the market and means very little once the player starts, IF they start, playing NFL games.
Value is measured long, long after the fact.
Its not Madden.
in addition, some here wanted big guards that year (Wilson) for a reason, and that reason, as I stated above and then, played into why small RB wilson got injured.
you build from the lines, the center/nose, outward.
2007. He was Reese's pick.
(Also, perhaps versus other long-term GMs?)
Thomas wrecked his knee in college so he was a bit of a risk .
I think Kenny Phillips had arthritic issues pre-draft .
David Wilson a surprise pick had some crazy ability but
guys like Bobby Wagner Alshon Jeffery Cordy Glenn Kelechi Osemele Mitchell Schwartz Janoris Jenkins to name a few then we took Randle in the 2nd that draft was loaded with
talent at least we finally got the draft philosophy turned
around in 2013 .
Randle was advertised as pro-ready and a great selection.
Janoris Jenkins was objectively a bad football player for his whole career until last season. The Giants were derided for giving him money.
Reese has hit on nearly all his first round picks. They all had very good reasons for not being re-signed. Being able to get it right with your first rounders is an undersold ability. Everyone thinks it's easy and would rather give him a hard time about his mid-round record, but a GM that can't hit on his 1st and 2nd rounders is a franchise-crippling situation.