I'm I not getting something here? Saw it last night (I know late to the party) and it took all my effort to not fall asleep during it. That pacing is brutal and wtf with the unresolved issues that they devoted 2 hours to drawing out?
What exactly is the story they are telling here? That the kid is a self-absorbed ass who is more interested in getting laid than his father dying? That the Uncle is a miserable socially inept wracked with guilt guy who likes to fight? I understand that we are all flawed to some degree and that this is a family with a huge ton of grief but did it really take 2 hours to tell that and then leave everyone hanging?
Wha Fuchy?
Me no Happy now!
asshole alert
Wha Fuchy?
Me no Happy now!
That's right, you're simply more emotionally, intellectually, and spiritually evolved than society at large. It must be tough being so in touch with yourself that you can't get in touch with the unwashed masses. Hey, you should make a movie about *that*!
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You seem to be bothered by "unresolved issues". How often I. Real life to things get tied up in a nice, neat little bow? Felt very true to life IMO. There are few 100% happy endings. Oftentimes things just get a little better, as they did by the end of the movie.
Also think you're misreading and/or simplifying the characters motivations.
I can appreciate a movie that remains unresolved, and I get how both helped each other a bit towards normalcy. To me, it just felt like a few snapshots of a story that could be more completely told and still have the unresolved aspect to it
Yeah,mo guess I can't argue that. I just liked it for what it was. Thought there were some great scenes, like when the kid was standing by the freezer, or the joke he made when they found the truck after being so cold. It just felt very "real" to me. I liked the way they told the story. I kinda got the vibe that it was WAY too much to be told in two hours, and I liked the ending. The kid got the boat and a hand to keep the business going, and (hopefully) Affleck's character was ready to start building towards a more involved life.
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no car chase? No booby shots? No Paint By Numbers obvious sense of injustice and violent cycle of revenge?
Wha Fuchy?
Me no Happy now!
That's right, you're simply more emotionally, intellectually, and spiritually evolved than society at large. It must be tough being so in touch with yourself that you can't get in touch with the unwashed masses. Hey, you should make a movie about *that*!
And he only needed 6 posts (three of them in a row) to get that point of his higher enlightenment across to the rest of us poor illiterates
I WISH I had the skill and talents to do just that. Sadly, its a very hard fuching type of movie to make!
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the genius of the script was that they
1. avoided obvious verbal exposition, and also totally avoided
2. obvious, easy Hollywood plot turns.
In addition, they avoided
3. drawing moral conclusions, preaching and grandstanding.
Just one set of lives, transferred onto a screen, the hardest type of movie to make and a very fulfilling type.''
Casey Affleck for best actor for what give me a break.
Casey Affleck for best actor for what give me a break.
It was absolutely an ending. Obviously just not one you liked. Exactly how would you have ended it? Affleck moves to Manchester, becomes the kids guardian, and starts having beers after work with his ex wife's new husband? Maybe he can babysit their kids. Maybe that would be some serious, Oscar-worthy emotional growth.
Seriously, how would you have ended it?
Then Affleck could've punched her, too. He could've turned into the Bahhhhston guy from the Dunkin Donuts commercial from SNL. Domestic violence, shitty coffee. Benny Hill music. I smell BIG box office numbahs...
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When he runs into the ex-wife while she is walking the baby she admits that it was actually her who mistakenly started the fire
Then Affleck could've punched her, too. He could've turned into the Bahhhhston guy from the Dunkin Donuts commercial from SNL. Domestic violence, shitty coffee. Benny Hill music. I smell BIG box office numbahs...
LMAO..No i honestly did not mean it that way. Maybe a humanizing effort of him by forgiving her
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When he runs into the ex-wife while she is walking the baby she admits that it was actually her who mistakenly started the fire
Then Affleck could've punched her, too. He could've turned into the Bahhhhston guy from the Dunkin Donuts commercial from SNL. Domestic violence, shitty coffee. Benny Hill music. I smell BIG box office numbahs...
LMAO..No i honestly did not mean it that way. Maybe a humanizing effort of him by forgiving her
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a more humanizing aspect of him by the effort of forgiving her
I would have hated that. They story wasn't about her and it would have turned the narrative over unnecessarily. Not every movie needs a twist. I though MBTS was excellent and Affleck put on a powerful performance. The scene in the police station and the ending with his ex were brilliant.
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When he runs into the ex-wife while she is walking the baby she admits that it was actually her who mistakenly started the fire
I would have hated that. They story wasn't about her and it would have turned the narrative over unnecessarily. Not every movie needs a twist. I though MBTS was excellent and Affleck put on a powerful performance. The scene in the police station and the ending with his ex were brilliant.
The two best scenes of the movie with the party/fire scene close behind
You got something there:
1. Remember the flashback scene? Happy family, all alive, but wife is in bed, middle of day, shut down also, but in a different way, possible personality disorder, without any obvious major problems at hand.
2. Firefighter at scene "wife got out/survived because she was on couch"
(couch was near fireplace where fire started)
Afflec character at station
"I was on couch, could not sleep, added wood to heat house, wife upstairs, I walked to deli two miles to get beer, since I was tweaking"
(so...if wife went downstairs...who left fire, lit fire? )
Was this obvious and I am dumb? I have not heard anyone mention it.
It said that their relationship would continue to be solid but imperfect, unlike my client whose mother died, after which his father sent him to his spinster aunts, supposedly for a weekend, only to leave him there for several years with no explanation or expressions of love.
You got something there:
1. Remember the flashback scene? Happy family, all alive, but wife is in bed, middle of day, shut down also, but in a different way, possible personality disorder, without any obvious major problems at hand.
2. Firefighter at scene "wife got out/survived because she was on couch"
(couch was near fireplace where fire started)
Afflec character at station
"I was on couch, could not sleep, added wood to heat house, wife upstairs, I walked to deli two miles to get beer, since I was tweaking"
(so...if wife went downstairs...who left fire, lit fire? )
Was this obvious and I am dumb? I have not heard anyone mention it.
Was it his wife who left the range burners on? Maybe a bit of foreshadowing
First floor has kitchen, living and one bathroom.
Two bedrooms upstairs.
How is she on the couch and lives?
Afflec character is equally slayed by grief either way, his fault or not directly his fault, does not diminish his grief , its not a morality play.
Also- she is HAWT!
then walked two miles each way to beat down his tweaking with some beer from the deli
then walked two miles each way to beat down his tweaking with some beer from the deli
Earlier in the movie he wakes up and the house is a bit smoky, he goes into the kitchen and two burners were left on that he shuts off. But I can't remember if that was him or his brother who this happened to
basement party area
first floor is fireplace, living, bath and kitch
second floor is bath, kids room and parents room.
how is she on couch as fire starts?
you can see the homes small footprint during fire scene
for me, the foreshadow moment was the 'happy flashback scene', something slightly off there, also, her frustration with the party situation, its subtle, after all we are used to a slightly easier narrative, so we overlook it
How do you find redemption after what happened to Lee? I think that was the point, sometimes there is no redeeming. A sad but beautiful film.
Patience!
And the kitchen fire occurred in the brother's house, when Lee fell asleep while heating spaghetti sauce.
Horse's ass.
but what did you think of the film BMAC? I am wondering actually
How do you find redemption after what happened to Lee? I think that was the point, sometimes there is no redeeming. A sad but beautiful film.
One of the better breakdowns of it along with what Jrud wrote. Yeah now that yo mention it is was the brother where the range was left on
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You seem to be bothered by "unresolved issues". How often I. Real life to things get tied up in a nice, neat little bow? Felt very true to life IMO. There are few 100% happy endings. Oftentimes things just get a little better, as they did by the end of the movie.
Also think you're misreading and/or simplifying the characters motivations.
I can appreciate a movie that remains unresolved, and I get how both helped each other a bit towards normalcy. To me, it just felt like a few snapshots of a story that could be more completely told and still have the unresolved aspect to it
Look, I don't need everything to be all roses. But, I watch TV and movies to escape reality for a couple of hours. I found the ending the most depressing part, because there was no sliver of a silver lining.
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You seem to be bothered by "unresolved issues". How often I. Real life to things get tied up in a nice, neat little bow? Felt very true to life IMO. There are few 100% happy endings. Oftentimes things just get a little better, as they did by the end of the movie.
Also think you're misreading and/or simplifying the characters motivations.
I can appreciate a movie that remains unresolved, and I get how both helped each other a bit towards normalcy. To me, it just felt like a few snapshots of a story that could be more completely told and still have the unresolved aspect to it
Yeah,mo guess I can't argue that. I just liked it for what it was. Thought there were some great scenes, like when the kid was standing by the freezer, or the joke he made when they found the truck after being so cold. It just felt very "real" to me. I liked the way they told the story. I kinda got the vibe that it was WAY too much to be told in two hours, and I liked the ending. The kid got the boat and a hand to keep the business going, and (hopefully) Affleck's character was ready to start building towards a more involved life.
The one part I did like was how they illustrated the kids coping mechanism with his father's death. Where that part lost me though was how everyone looked at it as being normal and ok
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When he runs into the ex-wife while she is walking the baby she admits that it was actually her who mistakenly started the fire
Then Affleck could've punched her, too. He could've turned into the Bahhhhston guy from the Dunkin Donuts commercial from SNL. Domestic violence, shitty coffee. Benny Hill music. I smell BIG box office numbahs...
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When he runs into the ex-wife while she is walking the baby she admits that it was actually her who mistakenly started the fire
Then Affleck could've punched her, too. He could've turned into the Bahhhhston guy from the Dunkin Donuts commercial from SNL. Domestic violence, shitty coffee. Benny Hill music. I smell BIG box office numbahs...
She didn't admit to starting the fire. She apologized for saying terrible things to him.
I know, I was stating that would have been an interesting twist to the movie
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You seem to be bothered by "unresolved issues". How often I. Real life to things get tied up in a nice, neat little bow? Felt very true to life IMO. There are few 100% happy endings. Oftentimes things just get a little better, as they did by the end of the movie.
Also think you're misreading and/or simplifying the characters motivations.
I can appreciate a movie that remains unresolved, and I get how both helped each other a bit towards normalcy. To me, it just felt like a few snapshots of a story that could be more completely told and still have the unresolved aspect to it
Yeah,mo guess I can't argue that. I just liked it for what it was. Thought there were some great scenes, like when the kid was standing by the freezer, or the joke he made when they found the truck after being so cold. It just felt very "real" to me. I liked the way they told the story. I kinda got the vibe that it was WAY too much to be told in two hours, and I liked the ending. The kid got the boat and a hand to keep the business going, and (hopefully) Affleck's character was ready to start building towards a more involved life.
The one part I did like was how they illustrated the kids coping mechanism with his father's death. Where that part lost me though was how everyone looked at it as being normal and ok
Was that a coping mechanism, or was he just a selfish prick of a kid?
I think coping because the deal with it bothering him about his Dad being pout on ice until the thaw
She's a tremendous actor. I loved her in Blue Valentine.
Moreover, it deals with some fundamental and tragic aspects of the human condition. Loss, despair, disappointment, frailty.
For those that think the ending is not tidy enough...well, that's life. I will say that I felt that there was growth in the characters and while perhaps the ending was not "happy," there was a feeling that they reached the best "terms" they were capable of. And the fact that the movie ended how it started...with Uncle and nephew spending time on the water...gives hope for the future. Especially after all the tragedy of the intervening years.
As for the fire...some of you have it wrong. The children slept upstairs. He and the wife slept on the 1st floor. The game room was in the basement. When he talks to the police he explains that he went upstairs to check on the kids, then went back downstairs to start a fire because the central air bothered his wife's sinuses. The kids died because they were upstairs. She lived because she was on the main floor. The only one that was on the couch was him.
Great movie. It's not Star Wars or Batman and that is a disappointment to some, but surely not to all, and definitely not to me.
Were y'all drunk when you watched this film?