I haven't posted here in a loong time (10+yrs) but been faithfully lurking! I guess whats been on my mind grapes are what the Giants are planning to do with the the OL. My guess is to install Fluker at RT. Although having two tackles who haven't instilled us with much confidence in their pass blocking abilities they both can push the pile. With that said will we become run first team? Plus that may help keep the def. honest rather then them having their ears pinned back ready to kill Eli.
Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, and then the winner of Fluker and Hart at RT.
I think it's WYSIWYG, namely Flowers at LT to start the season. Fluker said he was brought in to play RG IIRC. I think the Giants will just look for OL depth on day three, maybe a developmental tackle.
I think adding a good RB in the draft will help propel the O as much as a good OL would.
We go in with the best WR's in all of football and the board decides we should become a run team. This, in spite of the fact, that we don't have a good running back and the the guys up front can't run block.
I will be Pugh doesn't make 1/2 of the season. Flowers and Jerry are awful. Richenberg sub average. Fluker a guy who has never put it together and Hart little talent.
We are and will remain a passing team. The best we can hope for is enough running ability to keep teams from playing 4 and 5 in the box the way The Browns showed the league the way it can be done.
So if they play 5 or 6 in the box with deep cover 2 safety's then MAYBE we can get a running game. But that's created by the 3 WR's not our crappy line.
We go in with the best WR's in all of football and the board decides we should become a run team. This, in spite of the fact, that we don't have a good running back and the the guys up front can't run block.
I will be Pugh doesn't make 1/2 of the season. Flowers and Jerry are awful. Richenberg sub average. Fluker a guy who has never put it together and Hart little talent.
We are and will remain a passing team. The best we can hope for is enough running ability to keep teams from playing 4 and 5 in the box the way The Browns showed the league the way it can be done.
So if they play 5 or 6 in the box with deep cover 2 safety's then MAYBE we can get a running game. But that's created by the 3 WR's not our crappy line.
I love the positive insight. The irony is that 24 hours ago you condemned me for my negative posts. Do as I say, not as I do. Got it.
Thoughts on bringing in Mangold?
...our offensive line can play at a mediocre/middling level this season.
We have no outright stars... no blue chip players... just a very average group that we're hoping will play middle-of-pack NFL caliber blocking.
The Giants are so sold on Jerry that he could now potentially start at RG for 6 years here. Having a G who can't run block is a killer, especially when you primarily run between the tackles, and more specifically, right up the gut. The way we attack, we need a "man mover" at RG and it's frustrating we don't see that.
So the public blame goes to Eli while he currently has Ereck Flowers and the best of D.J. Fluker, Bobby Hart and a potential rookie protecting the edges. That is easily the worst set of pass blocking OTs in the league paired with a pocket passer. not a recipe for success.
now - with Fluker's contract details I'd say it looks like he's being paid like a back-up so I'm hopeful we can pick up a starting OT in the draft. But being down to hoping for a rookie starter is not comforting.
Per PFT, the Giants were interested at the deadline last year and CLE wanted a 2.
That deal could never happen until JPP got done.
The Giants are so sold on Jerry that he could now potentially start at RG for 6 years here. Having a G who can't run block is a killer, especially when you primarily run between the tackles, and more specifically, right up the gut. The way we attack, we need a "man mover" at RG and it's frustrating we don't see that.
So the public blame goes to Eli while he currently has Ereck Flowers and the best of D.J. Fluker, Bobby Hart and a potential rookie protecting the edges. That is easily the worst set of pass blocking OTs in the league paired with a pocket passer. not a recipe for success.
now - with Fluker's contract details I'd say it looks like he's being paid like a back-up so I'm hopeful we can pick up a starting OT in the draft. But being down to hoping for a rookie starter is not comforting.
This just about sums it up. As an aside, I'm not putting a whole lotta stock in Eli is "finally" showing his age. Hard to be very efficient with the ball downfield when you've got one eye on your left tackle. Ugh.
Well said!
Well said!
I believe you mean with a lot of luck -- there's just not a sterling class this year
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He is going to battle it out with Jerry - Hart will be RT unless another lineman appears
Thoughts on bringing in Mangold?
I don't thin so
Now if the Giants pick up a two way TE in the draft - that I can see helping too
I think that could work.
Then next spring we assess what Flowers is and make a decision on Pugh/Richburg's long term viability on the OL.
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We may be able to get one O-Line prospect in this draft who has a chance to start from the get-go - the operative word being "may." If you're expecting more than that, you're most likely to be disappointed.
I believe you mean with a lot of luck -- there's just not a sterling class this year
With A LOT of luck, Ereck Flowers gets his sh*t together and is no longer the worst LT in the league.
With A LOT of luck, Justin Pugh stays healthy and plays well in all 16 games.
With A LOT of luck, Weston Richburg bounces back from a sub-par year.
With A LOT of luck, John Jerry goes to the bench, regardless of his contract.
With A LOT of luck, D.J. Fluker makes people say, "Wow! Was that D.J. Fluker who made that block? He's freakin' awesome!"
With A LOT of luck, the Giants will draft an OL prospect on Day 3 that they'll actually be able to develop successfully.
By the way -- Hart trains with Richburg and Jerry - and gets high marks for it --- Hart may well surprise a few people here in this third year
With A LOT of luck, Ereck Flowers gets his sh*t together and is no longer the worst LT in the league.
With A LOT of luck, Justin Pugh stays healthy and plays well in all 16 games.
With A LOT of luck, Weston Richburg bounces back from a sub-par year.
With A LOT of luck, John Jerry goes to the bench, regardless of his contract.
With A LOT of luck, D.J. Fluker makes people say, "Wow! Was that D.J. Fluker who made that block? He's freakin' awesome!"
With A LOT of luck, the Giants will draft an OL prospect on Day 3 that they'll actually be able to develop successfully.
lol - now that's my buddy Klaatu, moving from a little to A LOT to the 6th [[[[[[ Power! ]]]]]]]
Giants will take OL and hope they get lucky. Maybe they should take the best OT prospect available every round...lol
At that point, your OL would consist of:
3-1st rd picks(Flowers/Fluker/Pugh)
2-2nd rd picks (Richburg/Dawkins)
1- 7th (Hart)
Def Tackle in Round 3 (if Hankins walks)
agree Klatuu and were just not that lucky ....
And let's not forget the fact that the coaching was abismal. Good coaches make adjustments at the half. Really good coaches make adjustments in between series. Our coaches? Our coaches were the only team in my memory to run the same personnel set in every game of the season for nearly every play all season long. That just isn't done in the NFL except by our team. I think Lombardi did something similar from time to time, but, well, yeah, it worked back in his day. McAdoo got the Giants to the playoffs and he had a whale of a rookie campaign as HC/NYG. But the jury is still out on whether or not he's a legit NFL coach. Remember, Spags was running the D and the part of the team that McAdoo was supposed to be good at running was in the very bottom of the NFL. Even with a franchise QB and one of the best WRs in the game, McAdoo had this offense at the bottom of the entire NFL. Think about that...even with Eli and OBJ, the Giants offense was worse than all but two other NFL squads. Every single player on offense, except maybe Jerry and Shep took a step back last season. The horrible season for the Giants offense has to fall to someone and not just the offensive line.
In a perfect world, you're spot on. The problem is that there aren't enough bodies and in this environment a career backup like Jerry is forced to start. I suspect they'll address OL in the draft and will continue to look after the first round of veteran cuts.
Giants fans have a unique ability to frame everything as "worst in the league" man, it's incredible.
Giants fans have a unique ability to frame everything as "worst in the league" man, it's incredible.
Because it's as opposed to a little luck, and it should be taken in toto with the rest of the bullet points.
What's incredible to me is the propensity of some here to speak in generalities.
I agree with this and I think it's often overlooked. The line sucked this past season, without a doubt. There were some mitigating factors - injury and the skill positions didn't help.
Just like the running game saw a boost once Perkins was up to speed, the addition of another receiving threat will do wonders by not requiring the OL to hold blocks forever. Get a little healthy, another season in Solari's system - maybe some are underselling their potential to improve without new personnel.
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from a subpar (and allegedly injured) year when we've already seen him play really well before?
Giants fans have a unique ability to frame everything as "worst in the league" man, it's incredible.
Because it's as opposed to a little luck, and it should be taken in toto with the rest of the bullet points.
What's incredible to me is the propensity of some here to speak in generalities.
It's more widespread than you're giving credit for. Generalities absolutely apply here. Anything that's wrong with this team is quite often stated as factually the worst the situation in the league.
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We may be able to get one O-Line prospect in this draft who has a chance to start from the get-go - the operative word being "may." If you're expecting more than that, you're most likely to be disappointed.
I believe you mean with a lot of luck -- there's just not a sterling class this year
I agree with this and I think it's often overlooked. The line sucked this past season, without a doubt. There were some mitigating factors - injury and the skill positions didn't help.
Just like the running game saw a boost once Perkins was up to speed, the addition of another receiving threat will do wonders by not requiring the OL to hold blocks forever. Get a little healthy, another season in Solari's system - maybe some are underselling their potential to improve without new personnel.
Ellison and BM should help a lot. And I'm not just thinking about their catching the ball and making plays I'm thinking about their blocking. Our Ends were pathetic at blocking. Also thinking that we go RB and TE in the draft. A lot of folks think we are looking to grab a can't miss pass blocking LT who can start as a rookie and will be available at 23. Umm, talk about a black Unicorn! On the other hand, RB is a position where rookies can step in right away and maybe also pass catching TE.
I expect Pugh and Richburg to have big seasons and hopefully Solari can turn Fluker around.
Even with a hopefully improved set of pass catchers, if the offense is going to appreciably improve, the ball likely needs to be held a longer and there needs to be a little more route complexity -- and pass pro is going to need to hold up better/longer for that to happen.
Even with a hopefully improved set of pass catchers, if the offense is going to appreciably improve, the ball likely needs to be held a longer and there needs to be a little more route complexity -- and pass pro is going to need to hold up better/longer for that to happen.
Right but typically Flowers (and Hart) couldn't hold blocks for more than a split second.
It's close to impossible to ask for an offense that gets the ball out any quicker than what this team/QB did and Flowers was still absolute garbage in giving up pressure (the RT crew not too far behind).
It's close to impossible to ask for an offense that gets the ball out any quicker than what this team/QB did and Flowers was still absolute garbage in giving up pressure (the RT crew not too far behind).
To back that point up, Flowers and Hart gave up over 100 QB pressures. Flowers was responsible for 59 of those. The total attributed to Flowers and Hart doesn't even include the QB pressures that Newhouse yielded.
The Giants are so sold on Jerry that he could now potentially start at RG for 6 years here. Having a G who can't run block is a killer, especially when you primarily run between the tackles, and more specifically, right up the gut. The way we attack, we need a "man mover" at RG and it's frustrating we don't see that.
So the public blame goes to Eli while he currently has Ereck Flowers and the best of D.J. Fluker, Bobby Hart and a potential rookie protecting the edges. That is easily the worst set of pass blocking OTs in the league paired with a pocket passer. not a recipe for success.
now - with Fluker's contract details I'd say it looks like he's being paid like a back-up so I'm hopeful we can pick up a starting OT in the draft. But being down to hoping for a rookie starter is not comforting.
Beatty had a game w 4 holds and the Reach around sack was pathic at level few starting LTs ever sink to