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Can a case be made for signing LB Zach Brown ???

YANKEE28 : 3/19/2017 11:11 am
The past several Free Agency periods have proven that owners won't spend a lot of money for 98% of the linebackers (or running backs) in the NFL.

As such, it raises the question of the value of adding a player like Zach Brown.

Brown lit it up at the 2012 Combine, running the forty in 4.44 seconds. He was the 52nd overall pick that year, and played very well in his first 2 seasons with the Titans. His playing time dropped in his 3rd year when he was injured andonly started one game. In his 4th and final year with the Titans, he did start 5 games, but his playing time was dramatically lower than his first 2 years, and he became a Free Agent.

Brown had few offers, and ended up signing a "show me" one year contract with Buffalo for $1,250,000 where he was expected to be a veteran backup. Injuries forced him into the starting lineup, and he had an incredible year with 149 tackles (2nd in the NFL) and made the Pro Bowl. Some websites have implied at the start of Free Agency that Brown would be looking for a Danny Trevathan type contract (4 years $28 million to the Bears last year). Obviously, that hasn't happened, as his recent meeting with the Raiders ended quickly over the significant gap in dollars.

Brown has played on the inside in a 3-4 defense. Is he a fit for the Giants scheme?

Would the signing of a player like Brown push a young player like Goodson to the bench, or force his move to the weak or strong side? How high are the Giants on the future of Goodson?

Would the cost of signing a player like Brown force the Giants to sacrifice the dollars needed to re-sign players like Hankins and Robinson?

Do the Giants know something the fans don't? Is Ishaq Williams-who was on the final roster at seasons end- a player that the fans are not yet talking about? Williams looked incredibly athletic and gifted during training camp and preseason games. He needed experience after being out of football, but there is no question the raw talent is there.

The Giants are in a "win now" with an aging Eli. Would bringing a player like Zach Brown in on a reasonable contract (perhaps 3 years and $14 million) be the best use of the dollars freed up with the long term signing of JPP?

Thoughts?
Zach Brown...  
Goin Deep : 3/19/2017 11:23 am : link
I like It. Been in the back of my mind for a few weeks now.
Would have to lower his asking price though.
From all the reports,  
robbieballs2003 : 3/19/2017 11:26 am : link
It appears the Giants wanted both Hankins and Robinson back but at the right value. It is obvious that the players value themselves higher than the Giants do. It is also obvious that the NFL agrees closer with the Giants than the players becauae they are still out there. So, that at least tells me that the Giants will not hesitate to add a DT and LB no matter who is currently on the roster.

How much do we need to allocate for our rookies? Subtract that number from our available cap space. Then also factor in that we may also being in a vet RB and possibly other players.

I don't think we would necessarily have enough room for Hankins and Brown. I do think we would have enough for Hankins and Robinson as long as Hankins deal was not a one year deal where all of the money would be put toward this year.

At this point I am ready to love on from Hankins. I just think the cap space can be better utilized to help fill out the rest of the roster and be carried over to give us more flexibility next year.

Move not love  
robbieballs2003 : 3/19/2017 11:27 am : link
Lol
I don't think he is a good fit  
ZogZerg : 3/19/2017 11:29 am : link
Folks were very high on Goodson when he was drafted. I think he needs a chance to start to prove himself. I think they need a vet min type back-up.

Also, The Bills D sucked last year. Brown was on the field a lot and had a lot of opportunity to make tackles. I'm leery of guys who pad their stats on crappy teams. Basically, you are paying top dollar for a guy. Instead, you want to do what the Bills did last year with a guy. Just like we did with Robinson last year.
As I said to Anakim in another thread:  
Klaatu : 3/19/2017 11:32 am : link
If the Raiders, who have the need and the cap space, couldn't come to terms with Brown, what makes you think that we can?

As for a contract, look at what a guy like A.J.Klein got - spotrac.com - and Klein hasn't had close to the individual success that Brown has had.

I can see the Giants waiting until after the draft to fill out their LB corps and the rest of their roster with much lower-priced free agents.

Now, unless the Giants buck their 30+ year trend and draft a LB in the 1st round, I expect them to do what they usually do in the draft - wait until Day 3 to look for one.
RE: From all the reports,  
jcn56 : 3/19/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13398884 robbieballs2003 said:
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It appears the Giants wanted both Hankins and Robinson back but at the right value. It is obvious that the players value themselves higher than the Giants do. It is also obvious that the NFL agrees closer with the Giants than the players becauae they are still out there. So, that at least tells me that the Giants will not hesitate to add a DT and LB no matter who is currently on the roster.

How much do we need to allocate for our rookies? Subtract that number from our available cap space. Then also factor in that we may also being in a vet RB and possibly other players.

I don't think we would necessarily have enough room for Hankins and Brown. I do think we would have enough for Hankins and Robinson as long as Hankins deal was not a one year deal where all of the money would be put toward this year.

At this point I am ready to love on from Hankins. I just think the cap space can be better utilized to help fill out the rest of the roster and be carried over to give us more flexibility next year.


Not entirely sure on the numbers, but JPP supposedly cleared up $10M for this season. We were at just under $3M before, and need $4M for the rookie cap. So we've still got about $9M or so to play with, which would let us return Hankins and Robinson if we were so inclined.

I doubt Hankins makes a return here, though. I'd love for it to happen, but I think he'll find the market for his services no different next winter if he does so, because a good season will be discounted for being on a strong DL, and a bad season would just set him back. His only hopes to a big deal would be to go elsewhere and hope he produces.

I don't know what the hold up is with Robinson, though. Can't imagine he's looking for much money, and I don't think he's got many options. It might be possible that the Giants just don't want him back for whatever reason.
I'd be hesitant to sign Robinson to a long-term deal...  
Klaatu : 3/19/2017 11:38 am : link
Given his injury history. Maybe that's why there's been no movement in that direction. Maybe JR is haunted by the Ghost of Jon Beason.
$9M or so to play with, which would let us return Hankins and Robinson  
Torrag : 3/19/2017 11:44 am : link
Not according to reports of Hankins asking price which range between $8-10 million per.

Giants may be waiting to closer to camp  
superspynyg : 3/19/2017 11:57 am : link
to see if they can get Robinson on a 1 year deal. That would be ideal.

My other option is Cunningham from Vanderbilt. He could be awesome in this defense.
last year who is your most improved player  
Bluesbreaker : 3/19/2017 12:03 pm : link
it was long before the draft even free agency I took
Landon Collins just based on his production as a rookie
that was asked to do a lot .
this season one guy I am leaning to is BJ Goodson MLB
just watching his pre-draft tape he just looks natural
at diagnosing and shedding blockers I could see him
being given the job to lose and having a solid year .
I thought Goodson=>MLB  
Floyd_Fan : 3/19/2017 12:42 pm : link
and Zack Brown=>WLB. no?
also, isn't  
Floyd_Fan : 3/19/2017 12:45 pm : link
Zack Brown @5M > JT @3M + Wynn @2M ??

Reese seems to be paying non-impact guys.
RE: also, isn't  
jcn56 : 3/19/2017 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13398946 Floyd_Fan said:
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Zack Brown @5M > JT @3M + Wynn @2M ??

Reese seems to be paying non-impact guys.


Don't know what the deal is with JT, whether he's healthy, sticking around, or anything else just yet.

Wynn is a warm body, but at a position where we need him. Until you get a replacement he's on the roster.
Nothing special.  
Red Dog : 3/19/2017 1:59 pm : link
Zach Brown is nothing special. He's an average NFL player. Wasn't even a starter on Rex's effed-up D in Buffalo until injuries hit.

I watch the Bills a lot because my wife is from western New York and is a Bills fan. So I've had plenty of opportunity to see Brown play.

I would much rather give the Goodson kid a shot in the middle than shell out the money for Brown. It makes a lot more sense to use the money saved to help re-sign Hankins and Robinson and keep what the GIANTS have relatively in-tact.

unless there's some "red flag" about him  
micky : 3/19/2017 3:17 pm : link
There's no reason (aside from being over priced) to sign him on here. Imo, he'd make the LB corpse better
Just re-sign Robinson  
djm : 3/19/2017 3:52 pm : link
.. won't sign both and Robinson can cover. Goodson, Robinson and kennard is fine. Add in a draft pick that can move. We're good.
RE: $9M or so to play with, which would let us return Hankins and Robinson  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/19/2017 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13398902 Torrag said:
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Not according to reports of Hankins asking price which range between $8-10 million per.

For one thing, he hasn't gotten that, so his asking price gets a little less relevant with each passing day. For another, even if the Giants did meet that offer, that would probably not be the Y1 cap value anyway.
RE: unless there's some  
ktinsc : 3/19/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13399057 micky said:
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There's no reason (aside from being over priced) to sign him on here. Imo, he'd make the LB corpse better


I don't think linebackervplay was THAT bad last year.
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