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The state of the OL.....

Doomster : 3/19/2017 1:51 pm
Here it is, 2017.....even though we won a SB in 2011, that OL was old and in trouble.....6 years later, it still hasn't been rebuilt.....what we have is a patchwork line with hopefuls.....hoping that miraculously Flowers learns to block....hoping that Pugh can stay healthy....hoping that it was an injury and not ability, that was Richburg's problem last year.....and the right side of the line is still a mess....

Yes, there wasn't much out there in free agency.....they were either old, or had medical baggage and still managed to get paid, too high, which shows how desperate the NFL is for linemen....

So once again Eli has to make due with an OL that is a huge question mark.....if we go into the season with this group( I seriously doubt we can draft an OLman that can step in like a vet, without growing pains)....the only thing that can save this OL, is a blocking TE AND a blocking FB, and another offensive weapon.....

This offense has to score.....Cruz did not pan out and Reese did not have a viable backup plan for that situation....If Marshall can stay healthy, and still have something left in the tank, he will help the passing game and the running game......

Shepard, had some huge drops last season, but he was a rookie......he has to take that next step, and make those catches that he dropped.....

OBj, is still somewhat of a head case......he has to show more concentration out there.....as good as he was last season, he could have been better.....it's a matter of maturity.....I think he looks back at the GB game, and hopefully uses that as a stepping stone for the upcoming season.....

We also need Perkins to be the #1 back, but he is not built for that...yes Vereen can come in, but we need another back, either with blazing speed, or a pile mover.....

Can only hope Ellison is that Blocking TE, that can put up numbers in the receiving department......

Would be nice if we could draft a blocking FB at the end of the draft.......

I don't know who will be that weapon after OBJ, SS, or Marshall.....Vereen just does not seem to be in sync with Eli, like he was with Brady....part of that is Eli's fault....hitting guys in stride with short passes is not his forte.....drafting a stud at TE or RB or even WR, can make this offense scary, even with this OL....we need playmakers on offense....

But Eli has to have the option to run this year, with a FB and blocking TE.....this will give us our play action plays back again.....if we can convert third and short, consistently, play action will be added again, to Eli's options......

So, we deal with the OL that we are dealt....weapons can offset the deficiency in the OL, if the defense has to worry about more than just OBj.....
Vereen had the best catch %, most yards, most receptions, and  
Devon : 3/19/2017 2:08 pm : link
most TDs (receiving) in his career in 2015. Guess who was and wasn't his QB then?

People need to stop thinking that one SB was what Vereen was on a week to week basis.
Good summary  
eric2425ny : 3/19/2017 2:11 pm : link
I agree with pretty much all of this. It would be great if we could get a Hynoski style fullback in late rounds or undrafted to take pressure off this line. It also seems like we are due to finally hit on a mid round offensive lineman that can maybe start as a backup and work their way into the starting lineup partway through the season. While we have a lot of offensive needs, we have to be careful about not neglecting the D. I feel like sometimes it's like Reese either goes all one direction or another and we never end up with a good balance. A playmaking linebacker would be a justified early round pick, and we need CB depth as well. We are an injury away from Deayon getting meaningful time pre-draft which is a little scary.
BBI  
AnnapolisMike : 3/19/2017 2:12 pm : link
Bitching and
Blathering
Interactive

Coming off an 11-5 season with a OL that has an average age of 25 years old. It's not the Dallas line of last season. It does not need to be. It just needs to be better than last season and to avoid injuries.

How about positives

Defensive line check
Secondary check
Wide receivers check
QB check

This is not a OL in decline... It is an OL with the potential to be good. If last year's D was for real... That is all needs to be.





RE: Vereen had the best catch %, most yards, most receptions, and  
eric2425ny : 3/19/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13398996 Devon said:
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most TDs (receiving) in his career in 2015. Guess who was and wasn't his QB then?

People need to stop thinking that one SB was what Vereen was on a week to week basis.


I don't think anyone views him as a bad player. It just seems like he isn't the right fit for our team, which is what I believe Doomster was referring to. And remember, our D was awful in 2015 so we were constantly playing from behind, which led to a lot of check downs to Vereen. My main issue is how much we are giving him per year in this dime a dozen RB situation in the league aside from a few guys like Bell and the clown from the Cowboys. He is making 3.1 million plus the 500k roster bonus he just got. Seems like we could draft a guy with more upside to play that role and save that cash for next year when we have a ton of guys to resign.
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AcidTest : 3/19/2017 2:17 pm : link
don't think anyone was thrilled with the OL last season. But Eli is completely immobile. He basically needs a perfect pocket on every deep drop. McAdoo said as much when a reporter asked him about the OL.
RE: RE: Vereen had the best catch %, most yards, most receptions, and  
Devon : 3/19/2017 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13399004 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 13398996 Devon said:


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most TDs (receiving) in his career in 2015. Guess who was and wasn't his QB then?

People need to stop thinking that one SB was what Vereen was on a week to week basis.



I don't think anyone views him as a bad player. It just seems like he isn't the right fit for our team, which is what I believe Doomster was referring to. And remember, our D was awful in 2015 so we were constantly playing from behind, which led to a lot of check downs to Vereen. My main issue is how much we are giving him per year in this dime a dozen RB situation in the league aside from a few guys like Bell and the clown from the Cowboys. He is making 3.1 million plus the 500k roster bonus he just got. Seems like we could draft a guy with more upside to play that role and save that cash for next year when we have a ton of guys to resign.


Except Vereen absolutely was a necessary part of the offense in 2015 -- we flat out saw it in 2016 how badly they missed having that option and threat on the field. This offense, more than most, needs a third down back like him to get by. Also, the Giants didn't play catch-up, frequently down by a lot, in 2015 either; how do think they blew so many leads late and painfully in games? Games were generally close for them.

My only point was that he's not what some people selectively remember him as being in NE and that any claim that he's never connected with Eli or is held back by Eli is hot garbage.
Mason,  
Doomster : 3/19/2017 2:25 pm : link
go outside, and take a deep breath.......
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MOOPS : 3/19/2017 2:41 pm : link
Mason,  
Doomster : 3/19/2017 2:47 pm : link
I have no problem with Devon disagreeing with moi....that's what boards are for....

Idiots like you that disagree with a post and just use name calling as your defense, is sad....

Disagree with my post? Then take it apart, piece by piece....stop being childish with the name calling.....as for me knowing nothing about football, apparently you have a reading problem.....may I suggest starting with "Dick and Jane"?
Such a fresh take. Thanks!  
drkenneth : 3/19/2017 2:58 pm : link
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I concur with Doomster  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/19/2017 2:58 pm : link
attack the post and not the poster - if you make personal attacks you may be escorted out of the sandbox
How bout' Doomy stops posting the same thought...  
drkenneth : 3/19/2017 3:00 pm : link
Over and over and over and over.
I'd like to ...  
Mike From Brielle : 3/19/2017 3:10 pm : link
re-sign Hankins, Robinson, and Will Johnson (if he hasn't signed with somebody else by now and is healthy).
Geno/JJ  
annexOPR : 3/19/2017 3:10 pm : link
Signs of Giants wanting a more mobile option post Eli?

I know I do (not them)
I dont see  
Glover : 3/19/2017 3:51 pm : link
the Giants going with a FB very often, or at all. I think they stay in 11 personnel with 3 WRs, maybe go into 12 personnel sometimes. I think that Elllison was way overpaid; he's a blocking TE with some receiving skills. I dont see him having more than 20 catches. Hopefully he can be a factor in the red zone. Eli's not really good throwing to RBs, so that sucks for Vereen, and Perkins, and any other RB who might be good catching passes out of the backfield.
You are right, the plan for the Giants is to HOPE Flowers can block this year. I wouldnt count on it, not at L or R tackle, I think he could be a mauling guard, but man, what he showed last season was horrible. Fluker will be in the mix for both tackle spots, as will Pugh. Hopefully Jerry is a backup.
RE: I concur with Doomster  
Rory : 3/19/2017 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13399038 gidiefor said:
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attack the post and not the poster - if you make personal attacks you may be escorted out of the sandbox


isn't the post just an extension of the poster.
What position have they spent more resources on than OL past 4 years?  
Eric on Li : 3/19/2017 5:43 pm : link
2 of the last 4 first round picks are OL, plus Richburg in the 2nd. In 2012 they spent $40M on Will Beatty and in 2014 they spent $17M on Geoff Schwartz. Both signings ended up being unmitigated injury disasters that put a lot more pressure on the 3 draft picks, who've each had to deal with a lot of shuffling in their young careers. It's certainly fair to say the rebuild has had far more lows than highs, but it's also completely overdramatic to think the position has been ignored or act like they haven't also had to deal with some bad luck.

The #1 issue with the OL each of the last few seasons has been injuries - Pugh ('16), Beatty ('15) and Schwartz ('14 & '15) - and any team that loses their better offensive lineman is going to have struggles. The Beatty injury in the 2015 offseason was especially devastating because he was coming off a solid year in 2014 where he started every game and forced Flowers into starting at LT from day 1, which is a tough task for any rookie let alone a 20 year old with raw technique.

The offseason isn't over yet and they're likely to continue trying to find upgrades. Fluker was a good signing, Jerry is fine as a depth player and they'll likely continue adding where they see value fits (draft, low cost FA, maybe even trades). Hindsight is 20/20 and the results from those 4 years could have been a lot better, but finding great players of any sort is always easier said than done. It's not like they passed up drafting Tyron Smith, Trent Williams, Taylor Lewan, Jack Conklin, Brandon Scherff, Ronnie Stanley etc. Hopefully this is the year they have some good luck in the draft and keeping the starters healthy.
Why isn't Paul Perkins built to be our #1 RB?  
Klaatu : 3/19/2017 7:10 pm : link
He's the same size as Tiki Barber and Brian Westbrook.
RE: What position have they spent more resources on than OL past 4 years?  
drkenneth : 3/19/2017 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13399205 Eric on Li said:
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2 of the last 4 first round picks are OL, plus Richburg in the 2nd. In 2012 they spent $40M on Will Beatty and in 2014 they spent $17M on Geoff Schwartz. Both signings ended up being unmitigated injury disasters that put a lot more pressure on the 3 draft picks, who've each had to deal with a lot of shuffling in their young careers. It's certainly fair to say the rebuild has had far more lows than highs, but it's also completely overdramatic to think the position has been ignored or act like they haven't also had to deal with some bad luck.

The #1 issue with the OL each of the last few seasons has been injuries - Pugh ('16), Beatty ('15) and Schwartz ('14 & '15) - and any team that loses their better offensive lineman is going to have struggles. The Beatty injury in the 2015 offseason was especially devastating because he was coming off a solid year in 2014 where he started every game and forced Flowers into starting at LT from day 1, which is a tough task for any rookie let alone a 20 year old with raw technique.

The offseason isn't over yet and they're likely to continue trying to find upgrades. Fluker was a good signing, Jerry is fine as a depth player and they'll likely continue adding where they see value fits (draft, low cost FA, maybe even trades). Hindsight is 20/20 and the results from those 4 years could have been a lot better, but finding great players of any sort is always easier said than done. It's not like they passed up drafting Tyron Smith, Trent Williams, Taylor Lewan, Jack Conklin, Brandon Scherff, Ronnie Stanley etc. Hopefully this is the year they have some good luck in the draft and keeping the starters healthy.


Great post. Sums up the OL situation very nicely. Well done.
The only great OL the Giants have passed on was Zack Martin  
drkenneth : 3/19/2017 7:26 pm : link
for Beckham.
RE: How bout' Doomy stops posting the same thought...  
Diver_Down : 3/19/2017 7:42 pm : link
In comment 13399039 drkenneth said:
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Over and over and over and over.


The same could be said of you. At least, you have given up your profanities.
'The state of the OL'...  
Torrag : 3/19/2017 11:39 pm : link
...it's not good enough...yet.
RE: The only great OL the Giants have passed on was Zack Martin  
adamg : 3/20/2017 12:28 am : link
In comment 13399287 drkenneth said:
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for Beckham.


Jerry going for those small, injury-prone playmakers in the first...

Typical Jerry. If only we had Zack Martin, Shad would have put of Zeke numbers and Eli would have had plenty of time to hit Rueben Randle down the sideline...

You have to love the complete shift in BBI narrative in 1 year though  
adamg : 3/20/2017 12:31 am : link
I remember our O line was serviceable last year, coming off of a season where we're top 10 in points-for.

I imagine if we happen to work on not dropping touchdown passes that would have more of an impact on our O than preparing to draft Forrest Lamp in the 1st.
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