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When people say this draft is weak for OL help,

yatqb : 3/19/2017 2:42 pm
one thing they ignore is that, aside from Ramczyk, the best offensive linemen seem likely to go off the board near where we pick in the 1st two rounds. Guys like Lamp, Robinson and Bolles in Round 1, Dawkins, Roderick Johnson, Dorian Johnson and Moton in the 2nd, and Holden in the 3rd. I'd suggest that if Reese wants to draft for the OL, this isn't a bad draft to do so. There may be a dearth of top LT talent, but there are several OG and RT prospects that might be there when we pick.
When 23 is on the clock  
The_Boss : 3/19/2017 2:49 pm : link
Based on many mock drafts, Lamp is likely still available. Dottino thinks he's the best OL in the entire draft. Any conversation of BPA would almost certainly have to include him.
Agreed  
RAIN : 3/19/2017 3:02 pm : link
Where we pick the value and grades seem to line up. I'm not super psyched about the talent level.. with the exception of Lampe in 1.

The second round seems to be a good place or OL. Thing is, because draft isn't top heavy.. their mAy be a run on the position before we pick. Moton is a guy I think can really help. He reminds me of Kareem McKenzie with his combo of smarts and size.

In the end, we need to find play makers. Charleton, Lampe, McCaffrey, Njoku and some of the Db's all inhabit a higher tier for me than Bolles and Ramcyzk.
While it is unlikely  
YANKEE28 : 3/19/2017 3:03 pm : link
that any O linemen will go in the top half of Round 1, it is VERY likely that 8 (and as many as 10) O linemen will be off the board by the end of Round 2.
That is part of the reason  
Reb8thVA : 3/19/2017 3:06 pm : link
I think there wasn't a real sense of urgency to address the OL in FA. Once they internally made the decision they would go with Flowers at LT for one more year, they could be patient because there was a good number of RT and G prospects in this draft
Agreed...almost all the guys I listed above are likely to be gone  
yatqb : 3/19/2017 3:09 pm : link
by the end of round 2.
My experience has been . . . .  
TC : 3/19/2017 3:17 pm : link
that it's difficult to gauge much from pre-draft evaluations of OL in particular. And this is true even for the clubs themselves. The NFL is littered with much ballyhooed 1st round OL picks who wind up busts or underperforming. (Did anyone sayd D. J. Fluker? ;-) Conversely, there are solid NFL starters found in all rounds.

I don't buy the "You gotta take one in the top 10, 20 or whatever." It just hasn't proven to be true.
Reb, the one thing that puzzled me related to your hypothesis  
yatqb : 3/19/2017 3:19 pm : link
is that they signed Fluker, and re-signed Jerry, two guys who can only play on the right side.
The more you read  
ryanmkeane : 3/19/2017 3:32 pm : link
about draft depth at positions and Giants overall interest, Ol seems very likely in round 2. Top talent appears at CB, LB, or ER for round 1.
Snee was 2nd pick of 2nd round in Eli's class  
GMen23 : 3/19/2017 4:39 pm : link
Jerry did well on that one.
I would love another edge rusher, 4thCB, impact LB, but I want offense (we were 30th fellas).
A McCaffrey, Cook, or OJ Howard could easily change my mind. But the weakest unit is the OL. If we go Guard or Right Tackle in RD 1, I'm fine with it.
It's a deep draft at RB and TE to come back and get one in the 2nd or 3rd.
I think  
PaulN : 3/19/2017 7:41 pm : link
Tom had just a little more to do then Jerry when it comes to the Giants adding Snee, just a little.
The desperation money  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/19/2017 7:58 pm : link
thrown at OL in FA makes me wonder if the "value" OL for pick 23 will be off the board a bit earlier than expected.

It wouldn't shock me if names like Billed, Ramczyk and Lamp are gone.

It feels like any OL might be a reach.

Just a hunch.
Bolles  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/19/2017 7:59 pm : link
not Billed. :P
Weak may not be the best term  
TheShade : 3/19/2017 10:15 pm : link
I would say this draft is rather unimpressive for O-Line help. There isn't that Elite tackle or guard who would be taken in the top 15 picks. No surefire LT like last year with Stanley or Tunsil. No surprising O-Line picks like Decker or Conklin. Seems like all the top notch O-Line talent stayed in school.
RE: I think  
yatqb : 3/19/2017 10:33 pm : link
In comment 13399298 PaulN said:
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Tom had just a little more to do then Jerry when it comes to the Giants adding Snee, just a little.


Not true, Paul. Ernie and Reese wanted Snee, and asked Tom if it was OK to take him. TC called his wife to see if it was OK with her, and once she said yes, the team took Snee.
I think this draft is strong for OL players at #23 where the Giants  
PatersonPlank : 3/19/2017 10:36 pm : link
pick. Maybe there is no top 10-15 pick, but I bet 4 OL players go between 16-32. I'd love to get Robinson/Lamp/Ram/Bolles. Plug them in the right side and go.
'off the board near where we pick in the 1st two rounds'...  
Torrag : 3/19/2017 11:31 pm : link
...the problem is the players slated to be in play won't provide an immediate panacea to our woes at LT. Which is what most of us are referring to when discussing it. Solidifying RT or RG will certainly help our O-line. How much is the question if Flowers struggles as badly as he did in 2016. The answer is probably not enough. So it's a frustrating situation, to say the least.
Trust?  
grizz299 : 3/20/2017 9:55 am : link
At a certain point you have to assume that they've seen something in Flowers that we're missing.
And then, you have to surrender to the notion that they see him every day and they're much more capable than a crew of bloggers.
A couple things  
JonC : 3/20/2017 10:04 am : link
One is the unlikelihood an OL picked at #23 will contribute much, let alone start. Two, there's only red chips available at the position, which reinforces the "don't force the pick for need" opinion. It's a conundrum, when you consider the draft should be about the future moreso than now, etc.

Jon, it seems to me that all the guys who will likely be there at 23  
yatqb : 3/20/2017 11:35 am : link
are red prospects...guys like Charlton, McDowell, Cunningham, Engram, Melifonwu, McKinley, Moreau, McCaffrey...the list goes on and on. Even Njoku has warts.

I'm guessing, like you may be, that Reese/Ross will go for a high AA/high productivity guy like Cunningham or Njoku, or for a CB who slips to us (Humphrey, Moreau?) as that has been their inclination in years past. But guys like Lamp and Bolles have similar athleticism for their positions, imo.
RE: When 23 is on the clock  
jeff57 : 3/20/2017 11:39 am : link
In comment 13399034 The_Boss said:
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Based on many mock drafts, Lamp is likely still available. Dottino thinks he's the best OL in the entire draft. Any conversation of BPA would almost certainly have to include him.

Agree. I like him a lot.
Is Dottino  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/20/2017 11:47 am : link
some kind of talent evaluator - or just a beat reporter?
yat  
JonC : 3/20/2017 11:49 am : link
I do think they'll choose a playmaker, hopefully a CB a bit later given the excellent depth in the draft.
Jon, holding off on a CB makes sense, although at some point there's  
yatqb : 3/20/2017 11:57 am : link
gonna be a big run on them. But yeah, Reese sure likes his playmakers. Heck, if Mike Williams or Ross fell to us I suspect Reese would be salivating.
RE: yat  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/20/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13399801 JonC said:
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I do think they'll choose a playmaker, hopefully a CB a bit later given the excellent depth in the draft.


I want to see an ER drafted as well and there are at least a few pretty good ones which will be seemingly available at 23.
gidie  
JonC : 3/20/2017 12:12 pm : link
Problem at ER is none are 4-3 DE types, and the regime has been less than successful in picking and developing edge rushers at the OLB spots.
RE: gidie  
Klaatu : 3/20/2017 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13399864 JonC said:
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Problem at ER is none are 4-3 DE types, and the regime has been less than successful in picking and developing edge rushers at the OLB spots.


I hope that doesn't stop them from trying, though. If the reported interest in Leonard Floyd last year was not a smokescreen, then the reported interest in Zach Cunningham probably isn't, either. You never know.

Still, I figure JR & Co. will be looking for an offensive playmaker in round one: WR, TE, RB. Lord knows we could use one.
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