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KWALL2 : 3/19/2017 3:06 pm
So how are you supposed to drop money on NBA tickets for a good matchup?

I just spent $1200 for 2 tickets to Cavs/Clippers(my 10 year old is a Lebron fan). He was fired up to see James with these great seats. I paid for it thinking there was no chance they would sit. They didn't play the night before and this was the FIRST game of a back to back.

Get to the game right before tip off and find out they aren't playing. Stadium was packed with out of town Cavs fans who paid big money and traveled to see Channing Frye get big minutes. Talked with people who drive from SF and ARZ for this game. They didn't know about it until really late too.

It was awful. Prime time game. Big matchup. And they just sit them and worst of all announce it late. Horseshit move by the Cavs especially doing it so late. GS and Spurs doing the same shit.

You can't count on getting what you paid for at NBA games. I won't do it again. We paid for something and they didn't deliver. Great business. I won't be back for another regular season game.

I hear Van Gundy went off about it all night. Good for him.



These guys suck. Coaches and teams suck too for doing it. I hope this hits them next time the TV deal is up.

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I think it's a problem  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/19/2017 8:26 pm : link
but I understand why teams do it.

I think that while the game may not be as physical as in the past in terms of body-on-body contact, these players are so much bigger and more athletic and are putting so much more stress on their bodies than they did in the past-- exploding faster, cutting harder, jumping higher, etc.

I also recommend this video post by this guy Mike Korzemba (only know him from this video) arguing that there is a big problem with a sharp rise in the number of playoff games missed by starters due to injuries and how the schedule needs to be reconsidered to cut down on this big problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9OGqNfi3o - ( New Window )
I was once a big fan  
Ron Johnson 30 : 3/19/2017 9:09 pm : link
Now I never watch and that includes the playoffs
RE: It was my sons xmas gift  
Joey in VA : 3/19/2017 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13399230 KWALL2 said:
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James doesn't come out here often. We got mid court seats down low.

I knew there was a risk but no game the night before made it for me. Also they were playing lakers next. If they were going to site o expected it to be the 2nd game of a nack to back against the weaker team.

What really made it worse was not knowing about it untill the starters were announced. He was crushed. They announced it very late. A lot of people didn't know.

If they keep it up it will impact ticket sales and tv money. Disagree with the comment about people will still buy tickets. No they won't. Not with the same demand.
That sucks man, I'm sorry. Truly that is horrendous for you to do something meaningful for your kid and a rich bunch of whiny shits ruin it because they're too tired to run around for 48 minutes. Pussies.
Damn, that sucks. Sorry to hear that.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/19/2017 9:25 pm : link
I used to be just as big of NBA fan as I am an NFL fan all the way from childhood all the way to about 2008 or 2009. But ever since then, I just haven't been into it for some reason and don't watch it all anymore. Stuff like this isn't helping their case out, either. Like, if they're injured or even just hurt, I could understand it. But "rest?" Really? If the schedule is too long for some of the games' biggest stars, then they should seriously think about shortening the regular season. Otherwise, play. Kind of ridiculous that a perfectly healthy player, face of the game, is sitting just to "rest."
No fan should complain  
LCtheINTMachine : 3/19/2017 9:51 pm : link
The ticket says Clippers and Cavaliers. Says nothing about any particular player. Anyone who attended saw the Cavs play the Clippers on March 20. Certainly an epic and memorable encounter.

The NBA could easily avoid this by not scheduling a back-to-back with a national TV game. The league didn't.

I don't think the fans matter. The league has worldwide TV deals and much better to watch at home anyway. I don't see attendance down so fans are obviously happy with it if they continue to pay outrageous prices for the product.

The only solution I could see is to fine the NBA owners. Good luck with that one.
RE: It was my sons xmas gift  
LCtheINTMachine : 3/19/2017 9:55 pm : link
If they keep it up it will impact ticket sales and tv money. Disagree with the comment about people will still buy tickets. No they won't. Not with the same demand. [/quote]

Sorry the fans will always buy tickets. They are too stupid and clueless about the business not to. I mean why would anyone go to any Lakers or Knicks game this season? Yet look at the attendance for those teams. Fans in LA and NY will always go, no matter how shitty the product is, because the rich people who can afford thousand-dollar tickets will buy them.

I am proud not have gone to a Knick game since 2005. Suck on it NBA.
The goal of a team is to win a championship.  
bradshaw44 : 3/19/2017 10:10 pm : link
I don't blame the players or coaches. The league is in the business of entertaining the fans to make money. They need to make some sort of change during the next labor agreement. Basically when the schedule comes out, each player gets X amount of rest days per year and the team has to annalyze the schedule before the season starts and plot each players rest days so the fans know. Easiest way to handle this problem in my view.
RE: As unfortunate as the situation is  
BigBlueShock : 3/19/2017 10:10 pm : link
In comment 13399344 Kulish29 said:
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the NBA is a business. Teams are protecting their most precious assets for when it counts; the post season. Shitty but, it is what it is.

People can rant and rave about how something must be done and, try to convince themselves Silver is going to do something but, the reality is, he wont.

Supposedly the league called the Cavs owner a few minutes after tip off to let him know they were not happy. I'm not saying there is much the league can do about it, but to assume so emphatically that they will do nothing is a bit off, imo. Clearly Silver doesn't like this tactic and he has shown to be a man of forward thinking. Not sure what he can do, again, but I'm sure he will be looking at some things.
They should just shorten the season  
David in LA : 3/19/2017 10:14 pm : link
if star players keep resting randomly.
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Go Terps : 3/19/2017 11:01 pm : link
The fundamental flaw of the NBA has always been that the star players are bigger than the team. It's been marketed and built that way for decades.

It's the one major team sport where that is the case. To me that is a huge flaw in the sport.
NBA is also the one sport where you go see a single player.  
Jim in Hoboken : 3/19/2017 11:19 pm : link
If you purchase tickets ahead of time to see Lebron and instead you get Richard Jefferson, you are going to be pissed.

The root of this is lack of parity in the league, with all these stars wanting to team up together. What do these mega teams care when they are up 15 games in the standings.

The most maddening thing is also the flippant way teams are doing it now, they are not resting one player who's marginally hurt, instead they are resting three of them at a time when they are not hurt but simply to rest them. If that's not a big fuck you to the fans, I don't know what is. And honestly I don't even think even diehard fans would empathize with that logic just so their team has healthier players going into the playoffs.

I supposed they'd try not to do it on their homecourts just so not to anger hometown fans, but maybe someone can look into it. Where did the Warriors and Cavs rest practically half the team, on the road or at home? There should be a rule that the fans get a refund or free ticket to another game whenver this happens, that will put a stop to this practice.
RE: NBA is also the one sport where you go see a single player.  
Sgrcts : 3/20/2017 12:45 am : link
In comment 13399467 Jim in Hoboken said:
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If you purchase tickets ahead of time to see Lebron and instead you get Richard Jefferson, you are going to be pissed.

The root of this is lack of parity in the league, with all these stars wanting to team up together. What do these mega teams care when they are up 15 games in the standings.

The most maddening thing is also the flippant way teams are doing it now, they are not resting one player who's marginally hurt, instead they are resting three of them at a time when they are not hurt but simply to rest them. If that's not a big fuck you to the fans, I don't know what is. And honestly I don't even think even diehard fans would empathize with that logic just so their team has healthier players going into the playoffs.

I supposed they'd try not to do it on their homecourts just so not to anger hometown fans, but maybe someone can look into it. Where did the Warriors and Cavs rest practically half the team, on the road or at home? There should be a rule that the fans get a refund or free ticket to another game whenver this happens, that will put a stop to this practice.



Who are these mega teams up 15 games you speak of?
jcn  
KWALL2 : 3/20/2017 1:02 am : link
This is a newer trend. It started with the Spurs. Now we have a few teams doing it. It hasn't hurt yet? OK. But it certainly will if it continues.

There were a lot of people pissed off. The bitching is just getting started. You are right that it "doesn't seem to be happening less often" but that sure as hell does not mean it won't hurt the league down the road. This BS is growing.

Keep it up and it will impact the bottom line. My story wasn't an isolated incident. There were so many pissed off people in that stadium. I talked with people who traveled and made special arrangements for this game. That won't happen again for many.

People paid a premium for this matchup. They did not deliver what the customer paid for.

They can't just piss on the customers and expect they will continue to step up with their wallet. It won't happen. Buying trends in sports change. It has in baseball, right? In boxing too. And it sure as hell can here with the NBA.
Sorry about this KWALL  
StingerProf : 3/20/2017 2:36 am : link
Shitty. Just shitty.

Silver lining: your son will never forget the night you took him to the game. Regardless who played or who won.
That sucks  
JOrthman : 3/20/2017 3:06 am : link
I used to be a huge NBA fan, as big of or bigger then I am of the NFL. However, I got sick of some of the players on my team (Lakers) and I got suck of the NBA flopping so haven't followed anywhere near what I did back in the day.
An NBA player can rest 6 games  
hitdog42 : 3/20/2017 6:44 am : link
To equate to an NFL player missing 1 to rest for the playoffs.

The schedule has some teams playing 6 games in 8 days.

Wimps- such wimps-

And yes I think it's unfortunate for fans to pay to see lebron in prime time and not get that... but some of the commentary in here just echos the bias people have against the NBA. They prefer to watch bad college basketball games because there is a fun tournament and lot of school pride .

The NBA is doing just fine
Hitdog  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2017 7:26 am : link
People want to be entertained, period. Some want to see the best players in the world, others just want to enjoy an exciting game regardless of level of play. NBA games are absolutely lifeless in the regular season and stars sitting makes it even worse. Every NBA game I've been to has been dead, every college game I've been to has been full of energy.

End of the day people want to feel their money was well spent.
The fact that the stars sit as much as they do..  
Sean : 3/20/2017 7:34 am : link
confirms the NBA season means absolutely nothing.
RE: An NBA player can rest 6 games  
BigBlueShock : 3/20/2017 7:50 am : link
In comment 13399524 hitdog42 said:
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To equate to an NFL player missing 1 to rest for the playoffs.

The schedule has some teams playing 6 games in 8 days.

Wimps- such wimps-

And yes I think it's unfortunate for fans to pay to see lebron in prime time and not get that... but some of the commentary in here just echos the bias people have against the NBA. They prefer to watch bad college basketball games because there is a fun tournament and lot of school pride .

The NBA is doing just fine

If someone were to pay $1200 to watch a QB of a team that they know will likely be resting players in the last two weeks then that's on them. The NBA situation is completely different. This stuff is happening throughout the season, so how can a fan possibly know when? It's a ridiculous comparison in your fight to stick up for the NBA. You don't think fans would be pissed if they bought tickets to a Giants game in November and the team sat 3/5 of the starters, and ALL of the superstars? And it's worse in the NBA to begin with, since it's such a star players league.

What a weird time to throw around the "you just hate the NBA" nonsense. If there were ever a time you'd think we'd all agree...nope.
Have to go to a playoff  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/20/2017 8:02 am : link
Game. Only way u dont get fucked for sure
I haven't watched a game his year.

Seriously how
Many teams have a chance to win it all. The only reason most people will go is to see someone like LeBron or Curry. It's like going to a top shelf restaurant and getting Spam

No rules against it but teams want older players who are stars
Those guys need rest. Just be happy they don't
Aggressively test for TRT and HGH. Half the NBA would be suspended

again  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/20/2017 8:53 am : link
this style of NBA play puts huge stress on these players-- it's likely the same issue as all the non-contact injuries in the NFL. These guys are faster and stronger and more explosive and it has an effect on their joints and ligaments.

Plus, it doesn't make sense for teams to completely burn out their players that they will need for lengthy playoffs when they know they are making the playoffs.

Fix the schedule, NBA. I'd say reduce it, but it's all about $ so that will never happen.
As long as they are playing back to back games  
AnnapolisMike : 3/20/2017 9:01 am : link
You are going to see this. Can't fault the coaches. Don't buy tickets to see a team that is in the middle of a tough road trip.
yeah I get why they do it  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2017 9:05 am : link
but fans just shouldn't buy tickets in advance anymore, that might push for some change.

Mark a game down that you want to go to and try to get tickets day of. Not ideal, but it keeps you from having to blow money on something.
fans like the nba  
hitdog42 : 3/20/2017 9:18 am : link
so they buy the tickets. it is pretty simple.

does it suck for Kwall? yes absolutely. do i feel bad? yes absolutely. I would be pissed as well.

that doesn't mean this is some indictment on the toughness of NBA players... or the product
The NBA sucks  
Mr. Bungle : 3/20/2017 9:33 am : link
all the time.
Rather spend money on a college game  
Vin R : 3/20/2017 9:52 am : link
The NBA just doesn't do it for me anymore
RE: Rather spend money on a college game  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2017 10:03 am : link
In comment 13399641 Vin R said:
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The NBA just doesn't do it for me anymore


Same, though its been that way for a while for me. I'm not a basketball purist, I'm fine not seeing the best players in the world play since they are a bunch of insufferable whiny cunts with few exceptions.

College ball just has the drama the NBA doesn't and the atmosphere can't be topped.
That absolutely sucks KWALL...  
BillKo : 3/20/2017 10:14 am : link
..and what also absolutely sucks is paying $600 a piece for a single game.

I could never economically justify that.
I'm with hitdog  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2017 11:52 am : link
watching the awful level of play in college during March Madness might be "fun" to some but I don't get it. The older I've gotten, the less I care about college sports and the joke that is the NCAA.

College Pride definitely makes for a better atmosphere, but that only goes so far. The NBA product is infinitely more interesting to watch for me.
I'll never quite understand  
MookGiants : 3/20/2017 11:54 am : link
how people love to watch something where 95% of the time you know who is going to be in the finals before the season even starts.

To me that makes a grand total of basically 7 games the entire year worth watching.
I've definitely been  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/20/2017 11:54 am : link
watching the tourney though. I don't think it's totally crap. The results tend to be close because of how often these teams choke, makes for exciting results.
One and done  
Deej : 3/20/2017 11:56 am : link
has really impacted my interest in NCAA. The good teams from 20 years ago would slaughter the current crop, where the best players are all freshmen, and the upper classmen are necessarily lesser talents.
If LeBron James is chasing "Jordan's ghost"  
EddieNYG : 3/20/2017 11:56 am : link
This doesn't look good. Jordan never sat out a game to "rest".
RE: I'm with hitdog  
Sean : 3/20/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13399806 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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watching the awful level of play in college during March Madness might be "fun" to some but I don't get it. The older I've gotten, the less I care about college sports and the joke that is the NCAA.

College Pride definitely makes for a better atmosphere, but that only goes so far. The NBA product is infinitely more interesting to watch for me.


I agree, but only for a week in June.
RE: I'll never quite understand  
BillKo : 3/20/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13399807 MookGiants said:
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how people love to watch something where 95% of the time you know who is going to be in the finals before the season even starts.

To me that makes a grand total of basically 7 games the entire year worth watching.


...and that's what I end up watching, if at all. The Finals.
The other point is  
LCtheINTMachine : 3/20/2017 1:38 pm : link
it makes sense to rest players in glamorous matchups.

Warriors played the Wolves and Spurs back to back. Try and get the win against the worse team and rest for the tougher game - although they lost both.

Cavs playing Clips and Lakers. May as well ensure the win over the Lakers by letting the King reign and rest against the Clips. Makes perfect sense, especially in the analytics era that is driving the decision-making.
RE: If LeBron James is chasing  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/20/2017 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13399817 EddieNYG said:
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This doesn't look good. Jordan never sat out a game to "rest".


Jordan also sat out two seasons to go play minor league baseball.

It's a different game now.
Even worse considering the game is officiated differently  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/20/2017 1:46 pm : link
and alot of stuff that was allowed in the past isn't allowed now. Weak.
I would imagine  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/20/2017 1:48 pm : link
today's game is more taxing on the athletes (especially with their year-round training) than the more physical "bodied" games of the past.
Well I guess they'd never give up money...  
MetsAreBack : 3/21/2017 8:44 am : link

But based on a 30 team league i'd cut the regular season from 82 to 76 games. Right now you play your division 4x, West 2x, and other divisions in the east sometimes 3 and sometimes 4. Just make it 3x against non division opponents. Schedule makers limit back-to-backs to 6-8 range over a season.

First round needs to go back to best of 5. I cant remember the last great 7 game first round series. Maybe there's 1 every 5 years. If there is its usually two mediocre teams in the East that lose in 5 in the next round anyway.

Have one or two wild card play-in games in both conferences to get some of that first round interest back - 7 plays 10 and 8 plays 9 in both conferences. One game sudden death on the higher seeds court.
A few schedule model would work for me  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/21/2017 9:06 am : link
All include getting rid of divisions. Which at this point are meaningless. The main concern is we need to get rid of the back to back

I also feel like the NBA will go to 32 teams seattle and (cinci,vegas, kansas city, pitt, another cali etc.)

For 30 team league: 2 conferences 72 games
3x own conference
2x other conference

5 game first round

My favorite: 1 table play everyone twice. 58 games and in a 32 league team 62 games

I dont even watch the NBA anymore...  
EricJ : 3/21/2017 9:11 am : link
for this reason and others. So, yeah I am making a statement with my wallet. Dont go to games, dont watch the TV of their ads... nothing.

Also...(no real disrespect to KWALL), but no player is worth that kind of money to see play.

Season ticket holders should just dump the season seats next year and just buy tickets to games on a one off basis. Maybe target the game after your star player sits.

I see a sports market crash at some point. When our economy gets in real bad shape and people just dont have the disposable income, then watch teams fold, salaries drop, etc etc. Hockey will be the first to go and it is a shame because those guys give 100% every night and most of them play for the love of the sport.
RE: I dont even watch the NBA anymore...  
MetsAreBack : 3/21/2017 9:43 am : link
In comment 13401084 EricJ said:
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Hockey will be the first to go and it is a shame because those guys give 100% every night and most of them play for the love of the sport.



Sorry but this is just plain wrong. Hockey (for some damn reason) hasnt had the exponential revenue growth the other sports have had, is not dependent on the huge TV deals, and is not paying guys $25 million a year to pitch every 5-6 days.

Second, half the league sits in Canada which has already gone through its currency crisis. A U.S. recession would strengthen the looney and provide the league relative strength versus the 3 other sports.

No, without question, the first sport "to go" as the bubble bursts is baseball. I make a nice living but for the life of me cannot understand how they are able to get people to pay so much money for regular season baseball tickets, and the TV deals make absolutely no sense. Its like the networks are too lazy to put stuff on over the summer with better bottom line.
Baseball will never  
steve in ky : 3/21/2017 9:58 am : link
really go away. There will always be a line of guys who want to play a game for a living, and another line of people willing to watch them.

Teams may fail, salaries and ticket prices may be adjusted but the game won't go away.

Well hockey isnt going away either ... obviously  
MetsAreBack : 3/21/2017 11:45 am : link
none of the 4 sports are "going away"

Its just a question of which bubble will burst the loudest, and my educated guess is baseball.
Was watching NBA highlights on YouTube last night  
Vin R : 3/21/2017 11:49 am : link
Kept clicking on videos from the 90's and early 2000's..


Ugh I miss it
Magin Johnson last 3 seasons, games played:  
Stan in LA : 3/21/2017 12:04 pm : link
77, 79, 79.

Jordan: 82, 82, 82.

Wilt: 82, 82, 82.

Stockton: 82, 82 82

Yeah, today players need rest because...

Just because.



'Magic'  
Stan in LA : 3/21/2017 12:04 pm : link
.
The other point is  
LCtheINTMachine : 3/21/2017 3:29 pm : link
no one complains that the Lakers are sitting players as they try to tank for LaVar Ball. The more you think about it it's a mess.
KWALL  
Rich in L.A. : 3/21/2017 7:01 pm : link
That completely sucks. And I feel your pain. Plunked down serious bucks two years ago to see Kobe in his final go-round as a Christmas present to my two sons. At the ARENA it was announced he was sitting it out, even though the Lakers hadn't played for a few days. Just a complete downer.
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