Joe Thomas: Yes or No?

A big YES.

This has been discussed 1000 times already.

We would instantly become strong contenders...

Instantly

But I reserve the right to be happy if they did it.

I hate giving up the second though.

a second round pick is a NO BRAINER. anyone who says no is out of their minds. this would IMMEDIATELY make us a contender....make this trade. sign blount and go into the draft with 1 or 2 minor holes (DT and LBer). draft a LB in round 1...

Then I'd do it.

Josh Johnson. They'll be thrilled to get another QB.

then pull the trigger already. With Big Joe at RT we have one of the better OL's in the division. There isn't anyone in the draft or left in free agency that can come in on day 1 and effectively be the starter.

In comment 13399094 djm said:

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Then I'd do it.

why? with a LEGIT LT we are one of the best teams in football....its about winning a ring...we would have a good chance to do that for the next 2-3 years with an addition of thomas

In a heartbeat

Thomas Pugh Richburg Jerry/Fluker Flowers

Huuuuge upgrade

of addressing other areas via the draft instead of OL. We could definately go BPA in Rd 1.

It seems like the Giants don't want to move Flowers. They invested a high pick and he's only in his 3rd season. If they get Thomas, there is no guarantee that Flowers can play RT. Seems like they only showed interest in lineman that can play RT and that tells me that they don't want to move Flowers.

I am very hesitant to give up this year's second round pick. If it is next year's 2 and even a later round pick this year then I would do it. It is just that there are so many talented players that will be available for our second round pick that could be a cornerstone for our future. The draft isn't about this year. It is about a little this year but more for the upcoming years. DRC will be off the team soon. We could have his replacement ready to go. We could draft oir future OT there. We could get another pass rusher to transition to our next great DE after Vernon and JPP's contracts expire. This draft is loaded throught the first few rounds.

from Thomas' camp?

at 35 years old. Why do people continue to think that Thomas is available at a discount for only a 2nd round pick despite being a few years younger?

Because of a PFT report?

Never going to happen though.

trade a second rounder for him. Last season I was kind of iffy about it but this line really needs the help. If you can get him for that and improve the OL and the offense overall for a second rounder, you do it.

I don't think the Browns trade him for that though. With their additions, they look like they'll have a very nice line to help protect whatever QB they bring in. I doubt they want to break that up this season. And apparently he wants to go to Denver anyway and his agent is trying to make that happen. Of course it's up to the Browns but yeah. If Denver offered a similar package that the Giants offered, I'm sure Cleveland would give him what he wanted by sending him there.

I'd be shocked if the Giants traded for Thomas. I don't see it happening.

For Thomas?

Browns get younger and cheaper. Isn't that the moneyball approach?

In comment 13399122 illmatic said:

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trade a second rounder for him. Last season I was kind of iffy about it but this line really needs the help. If you can get him for that and improve the OL and the offense overall for a second rounder, you do it. I don't think the Browns trade him for that though. With their additions, they look like they'll have a very nice line to help protect whatever QB they bring in. I doubt they want to break that up this season. And apparently he wants to go to Denver anyway and his agent is trying to make that happen. Of course it's up to the Browns but yeah. If Denver offered a similar package that the Giants offered, I'm sure Cleveland would give him what he wanted by sending him there.

I think Cleveland wants to bomb again this year to have a shot at the QB talent in next year's draft. I think the Jets are doing the same.

In comment 13399098 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 13399094 djm said: Quote: Then I'd do it. why? with a LEGIT LT we are one of the best teams in football....its about winning a ring...we would have a good chance to do that for the next 2-3 years with an addition of thomas

You're making it seem like the second round player won't be a good one. Odds are he will be a good one and he's cost controlled for 4 years or so.

I've seen about 35 drafts in my years of being a nyg fan. I can probably lost about 7-8 second rounders that didn't pan out here. The Giants own the second round.

I'd have to consider it but that second rounder isn't chump change.

Yeah, that's a lot...but I'd still do it, to lock down LT with an All-Pro for the rest of the Eli era

In comment 13399089 Saos1n said:

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We would instantly become strong contenders...

We are already strong contenders so you're gonna have to come up with a better argument than that.

It makes it less likely they draft an OL with the 20th pick.

but I don't know about a 2nd.

Granted, it is a late second, but we have been getting impact players in the second rounds recently (Collins, Shepard).

I think that the first three rounds need to be OL, DT, and TE (not in that order though). If Hankins is somehow able to be brought back, I'd be much more comfortable parting with the 2nd rounder and using the 1st rounder on a TE.

If Hankins (or a FA DT) can't come here, I'm not sure I want to part with a 2nd for Thomas.

It really is a close, close call though. I wouldn't think it's a bad move if they traded a second... just not sure it'd be the best.

In comment 13399136 Milton said:

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In comment 13399089 Saos1n said: Quote: We would instantly become strong contenders... We are already strong contenders so you're gonna have to come up with a better argument than that.

Contenders? Sure... strong contenders in a tough NFC with Flowers at LT? I beg to differ...

We'll make the playoffs with our WR and defense as it stands but without significant improvement from Flowers at LT, we don't have much of a shot, IMO... if he improves a lot more than he did between his rookie and sophomore season, I'm excited but I'm not holding out hope...

Cleveland is finally rebuilding with the correct strategy in place.

That includes solidifying a offensive line that will be in place for their next franchise QB.

That offensive line includes Joe Thomas at left tackle.

In comment 13399138 Milton said:

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It makes it less likely they draft an OL with the 20th pick.

Yeah, good thing they won't take one of those OL prospects that look to lockdown LT for the foreseeable future... there aren't any of those prospects this year, IMO

Can't see us investing another 1st round pick in an OL... def not this crop...

In comment 13399141 Saos1n said:

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In comment 13399136 Milton said: Quote: In comment 13399089 Saos1n said: Quote: We would instantly become strong contenders... We are already strong contenders so you're gonna have to come up with a better argument than that. Contenders? Sure... strong contenders in a tough NFC with Flowers at LT? I beg to differ...

The Giants beat Dallas twice last year and were dominating the Packers in Green Bay before the roof caved in on them. They are as strong as any team in the NFC. Ultimately it comes down to health/injuries, which is true of all teams that would consider themselves strong contenders.

Instantly upgrades our OL, which in turn upgrades the running game, which also helps protect Eli, which also.....well you get the point. Thomas makes our OL very good, more importantly, he makes it very good, right now. Which is something we probably aren't going to find in the draft and there are definately no game changers @LT left on the free agent market. The one mantra I have been hearing on this board over the past week is the Giants front office wants to win right now. Well, the signing of Thomas would give us a damn good chance of doing just that. The move protects Eli (most likely) for the rest of his career with us. It also allows us to go with a game changing rookie in round 1 instead of an O-linemen that would need development. There are just too many positives not to do this, the only question remaining is will Cleveland let Thomas go for a 2nd ?

he can be a elite LT. The Giants hopefully get 2 starters and 2 quality back ups from this years draft, so the picks are too precious to give up for an aging player.

In comment 13399148 Milton said:

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In comment 13399141 Saos1n said: Quote: In comment 13399136 Milton said: Quote: In comment 13399089 Saos1n said: Quote: We would instantly become strong contenders... We are already strong contenders so you're gonna have to come up with a better argument than that. Contenders? Sure... strong contenders in a tough NFC with Flowers at LT? I beg to differ... The Giants beat Dallas twice last year and were dominating the Packers in Green Bay before the roof caved in on them. They are as strong as any team in the NFC. Ultimately it comes down to health/injuries, which is true of all teams that would consider themselves strong contenders.

Again, can we make the playoffs and try to contend, sure, but the following numbers are not going to take a Lombardi Trophy home...

26th in points per game...
29th in rushing yards per game...
3.5 yards per rushing attempt...

If you believe it, well, ok... we just differ on opinion...

Joe Thomas, which won't happen, protecting eli's blind side would do wonders for this offense and team... longer sustaining drives with a more balanced approach on offense and keeping our defense on the sideline for long stretches would make us a MUCH stronger contender... if you disagree, so be it...

In comment 13399151 SterlingArcher said:

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he can be a elite LT. The Giants hopefully get 2 starters and 2 quality back ups from this years draft, so the picks are too precious to give up for an aging player.

I hope you're right

In comment 13399146 Saos1n said:

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Can't see us investing another 1st round pick in an OL... def not this crop...

I think Cam Robinson or Ryan Ramczyk are certainly worth the 23rd pick and maybe Bolles and Lamp as well. I'm sure some even rank Bolles and Lamp ahead of Robinson and Ramczyk. And some have all four going before the Giants pick.

But that seems far-fetched.

In comment 13399159 Milton said:

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In comment 13399146 Saos1n said: Quote: Can't see us investing another 1st round pick in an OL... def not this crop... I think Cam Robinson or Ryan Ramczyk are certainly worth the 23rd pick and maybe Bolles and Lamp as well. I'm sure some even rank Bolles and Lamp ahead of Robinson and Ramczyk. And some have all four going before the Giants pick.

I just don't believe they fix what we are in need of... again, I am pulling for Flowers to turn it around and become the cornerstone LT that Reese drafted him to be, but I can't see it happening... if that is indeed the case, then we are in need of that franchise LT and I don't see that in this draft...

I like RR more than any of the others but I'm hesitant to trust him with reports surfacing about his desire to play... and heart is something you can't measure at the combine... add in his hip issues and there too many red flags for me...

For an all pro hall of famer hmmm I don't know. Maybe we should ask Eli about this.

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In comment 13399177 3r76jp said:

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For an all pro hall of famer hmmm I don't know. Maybe we should ask Eli about this.

Anthony Munoz is an All Pro Hall of Famer and he won't cost a 2nd round pick.

Thomas salary for 2017 is $8.8M plus a $2.5M roster bonus, plus a $200K workout bonus. The team would have to restructure a number of contracts (or make cuts) to fit Thomas under the salary cap.

In comment 13399188 Milton said:

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In comment 13399177 3r76jp said: Quote: For an all pro hall of famer hmmm I don't know. Maybe we should ask Eli about this. Anthony Munoz is an All Pro Hall of Famer and he won't cost a 2nd round pick.

Weak

We are currently about $11 million under the cap with the re-signing of Pierre-Paul.

In comment 13399220 Beer Man said:

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Thomas salary for 2017 is $8.8M plus a $2.5M roster bonus, plus a $200K workout bonus. The team would have to restructure a number of contracts (or make cuts) to fit Thomas under the salary cap.

And they easily could... JT Thomas, D Harris, OV

In comment 13399225 Saos1n said:

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In comment 13399188 Milton said: Quote: In comment 13399177 3r76jp said: Quote: For an all pro hall of famer hmmm I don't know. Maybe we should ask Eli about this. Anthony Munoz is an All Pro Hall of Famer and he won't cost a 2nd round pick. Weak

He is still very strong. He doesn't have the movement skills he once had, but I wouldn't call him "weak".

time to move on

Why must we endlessly discuss Thomas? The Giants aren't trading a 2nd rounder.

why on earth would hey do that?

and help him move his things to NY on my back for a second round pick. Never going to happen, though.

No

this topic is deader than Seabiscuit