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Dannyc58 : 3/20/2017 8:51 am
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I really  
jamesmichaelworm : 3/20/2017 11:11 am : link
Think we need another corner. We saw how our secondary struggled when they had to bring wade, etc in. We need one more corner and safety to plug in
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bumpsinthenight : 3/20/2017 11:12 am : link
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Offer was made for long-term deal before start of free agency. It was believed to be a solid offer. Hankins' team was thinking much bigger

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RE: RE: I know alot of us  
totowa_gman : 3/20/2017 11:13 am : link
In comment 13399726 djm said:
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really want him back and compare this to Griffen, Coefield and Joesph. That being said, Hankins is not the player they were. I'm glad (it seems) the Giants aren't bending for him. Don't get me wrong I want him back as well but I don't see it the same way I saw the other DTs they let walk.



Hankins is every bit the player Cofield and Joseph were here. IF he isn't it's too close to discern any real difference. Will JO never had 7 sacks here in a season with NYG. Neither did Cofield.

All three are/were solid DTs. Not great but plus players. Will Jo peaked with Minny but he's still pretty close to what he was here.


I wasn't just speaking in terms of sacks, They all seemed to push the middle alittle more, or perhaps that it just seemed that way because of our DEs. I get what you are saying and perhaps I'm being too nostalgic or something. I was refering to Linval JO, I'm assuming you were as well since Will went to the Radiers.
RE: I really  
Saos1n : 3/20/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13399733 jamesmichaelworm said:
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Think we need another corner. We saw how our secondary struggled when they had to bring wade, etc in. We need one more corner and safety to plug in


This draft is littered with them! This likely being dRC's last season in blue, we could really use another cost controlled corner to pair with Apple and Jenkins big contract. I would expect a us to attack the strength of the draft and take CB in the first 3 rounds, along with DL help
Be smart Hankins don't  
GiantTuff1 : 3/20/2017 11:27 am : link
let pride get in the way of what is a solid offer now... And much better than your typical re-establish value deal. I'm shocked he isn't jumping at this.

Money's not suddenly going to grow on trees Hank, in this market it tends to dry the longer you wait.
A long term contract would lower his CAP hit for this year  
rasbutant : 3/20/2017 11:27 am : link
vs. a 1yr deal that all would count this season.
It looks like BBI isn't the only one  
SHO'NUFF : 3/20/2017 11:31 am : link
overrating Hankins...
Every day beyond tomorrow...  
EricJ : 3/20/2017 11:35 am : link
the offer should decrease by 2%. Puts a sense of urgency onto Hankins to make a decision.
Yep  
jeff57 : 3/20/2017 11:40 am : link
It's time to spit or get off the spot.
RE: I know alot of us  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/20/2017 11:50 am : link
In comment 13399694 totowa_gman said:
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really want him back and compare this to Griffen, Coefield and Joesph. That being said, Hankins is not the player they were. I'm glad (it seems) the Giants aren't bending for him. Don't get me wrong I want him back as well but I don't see it the same way I saw the other DTs they let walk.


Hankins is a NT. Jospeh can play both. The. Other two were 3tech guys. Also even though half the people here still don't get it 7 million per year tells me nothing. How long and how much is guanranteed? 5 years at 7 million w 20 guaranteed is a lot different than 5 years and 7 million at 12 guaranteed.

It's why some morons here never understood that Beatty's deal sucked because his 19 million guarantee hurt the cap implications and. His okay and health dipped.

We need to know more.
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jcn56 : 3/20/2017 11:56 am : link
In comment 13399803 LauderdaleMatty said:
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really want him back and compare this to Griffen, Coefield and Joesph. That being said, Hankins is not the player they were. I'm glad (it seems) the Giants aren't bending for him. Don't get me wrong I want him back as well but I don't see it the same way I saw the other DTs they let walk.



Hankins is a NT. Jospeh can play both. The. Other two were 3tech guys. Also even though half the people here still don't get it 7 million per year tells me nothing. How long and how much is guanranteed? 5 years at 7 million w 20 guaranteed is a lot different than 5 years and 7 million at 12 guaranteed.

It's why some morons here never understood that Beatty's deal sucked because his 19 million guarantee hurt the cap implications and. His okay and health dipped.

We need to know more.


Beatty's deal paid him in a way that made him roughly the 12th overall OLT by salary. Considering he was a middle of the pack type guy, that made him slightly overpaid.

The problem wasn't so much paying Beatty, it was the lack of alternatives. The FA market for OLTs has been a bust for some time now, and that's party because a lot of the recently (past 4-5 years) drafted OLTs haven't been much to write home about.
Prediction  
area junc : 3/20/2017 11:57 am : link
5 years, $35M, $12.5M guaranteed.

Pretty much the standard "good player" contract we've given out over the years.

Hank has to realize, he is a part time player and thats a good offer for what we are asking of him.
Should have gone after Poe  
ghost718 : 3/20/2017 11:58 am : link
If this is what the Giants want inside,A Moose and a Buffalo.

Rather than put up with this
Poe and Hankins are the same type of player.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2017 12:07 pm : link
They are run stuffing nose tackles that don't rush much. Except Poe is slightly older, and has back injury concerns along with the Falcons putting a 500k "get your weight under control" clause in his contract. No real difference between them. Both are even two years removed from very good seasons.
Poe is more talented than Hankins  
ghost718 : 3/20/2017 12:10 pm : link
and I wasn't even that big a fan of his when he came out.Stronger and lighter on his feet
He had back surgery two years ago, and his numbers  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2017 12:13 pm : link
Look quite affected by it.
Love to See The Big Fella Back  
Suburbanites : 3/20/2017 12:17 pm : link
But they already have 3 huge contracts on the defensive line. Even with an increased cap you have to spread the money around. They spent a 3rd round pick on Bromley who's only 24 but is heading into his fourth season. He seems to be more of that 3 technique pass rushing DT that fits better. Obviously they'd need to draft someone else too but they can do that later in the draft. I get the sense the Giants want to move in a different direction here and have been low balling him. The problem is in spite of being a pretty good player a market still hasn't emerged for Hankins.
this...  
Torrag : 3/20/2017 12:22 pm : link
Seems like a fair nudge in public
jcn56 : 10:46 am
Shit or get off the pot


And this is not for public consumption. This is the Giants saying we've been patient. You're done shopping our offer. If a mega offer was out there you'd have it by now. It's time we continue to build our roster. We want you here so make your decision or we're moving on to X,Y, Z players.
Ralph Vacchianosays they’re unlikely to offer him anything more...  
Torrag : 3/20/2017 12:23 pm : link
...as usual no clue.
The story I am hearing  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/20/2017 12:26 pm : link
(and what I posted yesterday) is that Hankins and his agent went into FA with a lot of bravado expecting the mega deal to be waiting.

Unfortunately for Hankins, the offers didn't come in. Giants sensing this put a standing 1 or 2 year deal on the table. This cements what I posted yesterday. I guess the front office isn't willing to be held hostage by a decent player who regressed a little from his best year.
Well, if he was gonna get a better offer, he'd probably already have  
Heisenberg : 3/20/2017 12:34 pm : link
it by now.
RE: The story I am hearing  
est1986 : 3/20/2017 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13399905 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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(and what I posted yesterday) is that Hankins and his agent went into FA with a lot of bravado expecting the mega deal to be waiting.

Unfortunately for Hankins, the offers didn't come in. Giants sensing this put a standing 1 or 2 year deal on the table. This cements what I posted yesterday. I guess the front office isn't willing to be held hostage by a decent player who regressed a little from his best year.


Hearing anything else on AP? Have there been any talks between them at all?
Hank needs to realize ...  
Torrag : 3/20/2017 12:38 pm : link
...his big 2014 campaign was a while ago with a serious injury interposed. He wasn't dominant last season. That was Snacks. Who got about $9M per while starting every game since his rookie season and was named All Pro for 2016.
We have a good thing going here in the defense  
spike : 3/20/2017 12:51 pm : link
Hank do you want in or be stuck with some loser organization like the Bills or Jets or the Skins.

Joesph might be the better player right now  
Greg from LI : 3/20/2017 12:59 pm : link
But the Linval Joseph who hit free agency several years ago was not a better player than Hankins is at the moment.

People really let the last two seasons color their view of the player Joseph was during his years with the Giants and even his first season in Minnesota, when he was considered to be a disappointment.
Hankins wouldn't be the first guy to misjudge the market...  
Klaatu : 3/20/2017 1:00 pm : link
Or overestimate his own worth.

He's a good player. I liked him prior to the draft and I like him now, but he's not exactly a "difference-maker" so he shouldn't expect to get paid like one.

It's easy for me to say it, but I think he should accept the Giants' offer and take it from there. He's still young enough to get another substantial payday if he can prove he's worth it.
Can't help but think this and the rumor about Odrick  
Capital Rs : 3/20/2017 1:03 pm : link
...are related to let Hamkins know Giants are getting ready to move-on even if they don't have other appointments set up - yet. Same reporter being leaked a rumor surrounding Giants d-like interests. Also wouldn't surprise me if Hank signs in the next 24-48 hours.
#! Deterrent to Division Champ is Dallas  
GMen23 : 3/20/2017 1:06 pm : link
Nothing profound in that statement. But he and Snacks tamed the Cowboy running game and neutralized that vaunted OL.

I have seen nothing impressive in Bromley in 3 years. Thomas? We made him our first Sept waiver pick up. PUPed him, I think. And saw nothing that stood out from him all year.

There isn't an equally talented offensive linemen or LB to spend the money on, other wise maybe I would. But Hank back at $6-7 million I'm fine with.
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jayg5 : 3/20/2017 1:08 pm : link
Good point and I agree. Same situation of Donald Penn setting up visit last year with Giants, then re-signing with Raiders before visit could happen. I too, feel Hankins will be signed rather shortly.
time for Hankins to shit or get off the pot  
Victor in CT : 3/20/2017 1:17 pm : link
considering he had a $0/$8 million bid offer, $7 mill/yr is pretty damn good
RE: RE: The story I am hearing  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/20/2017 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13399917 est1986 said:
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(and what I posted yesterday) is that Hankins and his agent went into FA with a lot of bravado expecting the mega deal to be waiting.

Unfortunately for Hankins, the offers didn't come in. Giants sensing this put a standing 1 or 2 year deal on the table. This cements what I posted yesterday. I guess the front office isn't willing to be held hostage by a decent player who regressed a little from his best year.



Hearing anything else on AP? Have there been any talks between them at all?


The Giants and AP agent have kept in contact during the FA period. How close they are in $$ and years is the issue in what will likely be AP's last contract.
If you're looking for a power back that can grind out tough yards  
Brown Recluse : 3/20/2017 1:34 pm : link
in the short term of maybe a year or two, you probably couldn't do any better than AP - regardless of his age.
Joseph  
blue42 : 3/20/2017 1:47 pm : link
was much better than Hankins when he left...that's why he got the deal that he got and Hankins is still waiting.
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est1986 : 3/20/2017 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13399987 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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In comment 13399905 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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(and what I posted yesterday) is that Hankins and his agent went into FA with a lot of bravado expecting the mega deal to be waiting.

Unfortunately for Hankins, the offers didn't come in. Giants sensing this put a standing 1 or 2 year deal on the table. This cements what I posted yesterday. I guess the front office isn't willing to be held hostage by a decent player who regressed a little from his best year.



Hearing anything else on AP? Have there been any talks between them at all?



The Giants and AP agent have kept in contact during the FA period. How close they are in $$ and years is the issue in what will likely be AP's last contract.


Thanks.
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Gatorade Dunk : 3/20/2017 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13399705 I Love Clams Casino said:
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Well that'd be dumb of you considering he's broken more stories than any NFL writer these last few years. Including Schefter.



He's a liar -

Eli NEVER said it - Story - ( New Window )

Based on what? Your close personal relationship with Eli?

Get back to me when any Manning ever leaves a dollar on the table.
RE: It looks like BBI isn't the only one  
djm : 3/20/2017 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13399763 SHO'NUFF said:
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overrating Hankins...


Who is overrating him? He's a good DT. Maybe even a very good DT. Just because many here want the Giants to keep Hankins doesn't mean we think he's a special player. He's a good player and he's in his prime. I'd love to see him return at a reasonable rate. Good DTs are NOT from the dime a dozen variety no matter wtf anyone here insists on saying. Good players are hard to find.

If they lose Hank it shouldn't devastate anyone here but we are better off keeping him unless we stumble into a good DT from day one in the mid rounds of this draft. Good luck with that.
DJM, to be fair  
David in LA : 3/20/2017 2:24 pm : link
there were prominent notions from posters that we franchise Hankins.
RE: Joseph  
djm : 3/20/2017 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13400056 blue42 said:
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was much better than Hankins when he left...that's why he got the deal that he got and Hankins is still waiting.


That's a leap. It could just be that when Jo hit FA there was a team out there that had a lot of money and a big need for a good young DT. Based on all the metrics Jo was not much better than HAnkins at this same point in time. Maybe a little better. Maybe. Willy JO just happened to have a suitor. HE was also a guy that had a super bowl ring. That never hurts.
RE: DJM, to be fair  
djm : 3/20/2017 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13400173 David in LA said:
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there were prominent notions from posters that we franchise Hankins.


yeah, that would have been crazy.
Hankins is a nice player, yes...  
Slade : 3/20/2017 3:03 pm : link
But a lot of his success is attributed to the fact that he is surrounded by good-great players.
RE: Hankins is a nice player, yes...  
Matt in SGS : 3/20/2017 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13400273 Slade said:
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But a lot of his success is attributed to the fact that he is surrounded by good-great players.


Which would appear to be the opinion of the NFL GMs considering no one has budged on his $10M demands and his market appears to be drying up completely.
RE: Hankins is a nice player, yes...  
est1986 : 3/20/2017 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13400273 Slade said:
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But a lot of his success is attributed to the fact that he is surrounded by good-great players.


Agreed.
I would love to have Hankins back  
shelovesnycsports : 3/20/2017 3:26 pm : link
on a one year show me deal. A pissed off Hankins is a good thing.
RE: this...  
HomerJones45 : 3/20/2017 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13399896 Torrag said:
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Seems like a fair nudge in public
jcn56 : 10:46 am
Shit or get off the pot

And this is not for public consumption. This is the Giants saying we've been patient. You're done shopping our offer. If a mega offer was out there you'd have it by now. It's time we continue to build our roster. We want you here so make your decision or we're moving on to X,Y, Z players.
if it wasn't for public consumption the team would not have given this statement to a favored reporter. The GM picks up the phone and calls the agent. You are being told exactly what the team wants you to be told.
Slade I think it's the exact  
area junc : 3/20/2017 3:40 pm : link
opposite: his LACK OF success while being surrounded by 3 All Pros on the DLine. He should've made more noise.

Look at what Malik Jackson did on that DEN DL with Ware, Von Miller and Derek Wolfe? Hankins should've been more disruptive because he was 1on1 the whole year. He really didn't do anything besides hold the line, and you don't pay big $$$ for that.

If the Giants are offering $7M per year and he isn't taking it, he's an idiot or he's getting really bad advice from his agent.
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I Love Clams Casino : 3/20/2017 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13400164 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Well that'd be dumb of you considering he's broken more stories than any NFL writer these last few years. Including Schefter.



He's a liar -

Eli NEVER said it - Story - ( New Window )


Based on what? Your close personal relationship with Eli?

Get back to me when any Manning ever leaves a dollar on the table.


Based on the fact that Eli said he never said it. You don't remember this?
'You are being told exactly what the team wants you to be told'...  
Torrag : 3/20/2017 4:58 pm : link
The Giants aren't interested in fan appeasement. It's a message to ...Hankins...not us.

You're overthinking it. Which is probably not something you're accused of very often.
I Dont blame  
Peppers : 3/20/2017 5:00 pm : link
them for wanting an answer. I wouldn't have gave him this long. If he doesn't take the offer by tomorrow I'd bring in Odrick, Tyson Jackson, and Tyson Alualu for visits.
RE: I Dont blame  
Jay on the Island : 3/20/2017 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13400489 Peppers said:
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them for wanting an answer. I wouldn't have gave him this long. If he doesn't take the offer by tomorrow I'd bring in Odrick, Tyson Jackson, and Tyson Alualu for visits.

I have always been a fan of Alualu. He would be a solid stopgap if Hankins moved on.
I am sure that Hankins and his agent know about this  
YANKEE28 : 3/20/2017 6:59 pm : link
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