really want him back and compare this to Griffen, Coefield and Joesph. That being said, Hankins is not the player they were. I'm glad (it seems) the Giants aren't bending for him. Don't get me wrong I want him back as well but I don't see it the same way I saw the other DTs they let walk.
Hankins is every bit the player Cofield and Joseph were here. IF he isn't it's too close to discern any real difference. Will JO never had 7 sacks here in a season with NYG. Neither did Cofield.
All three are/were solid DTs. Not great but plus players. Will Jo peaked with Minny but he's still pretty close to what he was here.
I wasn't just speaking in terms of sacks, They all seemed to push the middle alittle more, or perhaps that it just seemed that way because of our DEs. I get what you are saying and perhaps I'm being too nostalgic or something. I was refering to Linval JO, I'm assuming you were as well since Will went to the Radiers.
Think we need another corner. We saw how our secondary struggled when they had to bring wade, etc in. We need one more corner and safety to plug in
This draft is littered with them! This likely being dRC's last season in blue, we could really use another cost controlled corner to pair with Apple and Jenkins big contract. I would expect a us to attack the strength of the draft and take CB in the first 3 rounds, along with DL help
let pride get in the way of what is a solid offer now... And much better than your typical re-establish value deal. I'm shocked he isn't jumping at this.
Money's not suddenly going to grow on trees Hank, in this market it tends to dry the longer you wait.
A long term contract would lower his CAP hit for this year
really want him back and compare this to Griffen, Coefield and Joesph. That being said, Hankins is not the player they were. I'm glad (it seems) the Giants aren't bending for him. Don't get me wrong I want him back as well but I don't see it the same way I saw the other DTs they let walk.
Hankins is a NT. Jospeh can play both. The. Other two were 3tech guys. Also even though half the people here still don't get it 7 million per year tells me nothing. How long and how much is guanranteed? 5 years at 7 million w 20 guaranteed is a lot different than 5 years and 7 million at 12 guaranteed.
It's why some morons here never understood that Beatty's deal sucked because his 19 million guarantee hurt the cap implications and. His okay and health dipped.
really want him back and compare this to Griffen, Coefield and Joesph. That being said, Hankins is not the player they were. I'm glad (it seems) the Giants aren't bending for him. Don't get me wrong I want him back as well but I don't see it the same way I saw the other DTs they let walk.
Hankins is a NT. Jospeh can play both. The. Other two were 3tech guys. Also even though half the people here still don't get it 7 million per year tells me nothing. How long and how much is guanranteed? 5 years at 7 million w 20 guaranteed is a lot different than 5 years and 7 million at 12 guaranteed.
It's why some morons here never understood that Beatty's deal sucked because his 19 million guarantee hurt the cap implications and. His okay and health dipped.
We need to know more.
Beatty's deal paid him in a way that made him roughly the 12th overall OLT by salary. Considering he was a middle of the pack type guy, that made him slightly overpaid.
The problem wasn't so much paying Beatty, it was the lack of alternatives. The FA market for OLTs has been a bust for some time now, and that's party because a lot of the recently (past 4-5 years) drafted OLTs haven't been much to write home about.
They are run stuffing nose tackles that don't rush much. Except Poe is slightly older, and has back injury concerns along with the Falcons putting a 500k "get your weight under control" clause in his contract. No real difference between them. Both are even two years removed from very good seasons.
But they already have 3 huge contracts on the defensive line. Even with an increased cap you have to spread the money around. They spent a 3rd round pick on Bromley who's only 24 but is heading into his fourth season. He seems to be more of that 3 technique pass rushing DT that fits better. Obviously they'd need to draft someone else too but they can do that later in the draft. I get the sense the Giants want to move in a different direction here and have been low balling him. The problem is in spite of being a pretty good player a market still hasn't emerged for Hankins.
Seems like a fair nudge in public
jcn56 : 10:46 am
Shit or get off the pot
And this is not for public consumption. This is the Giants saying we've been patient. You're done shopping our offer. If a mega offer was out there you'd have it by now. It's time we continue to build our roster. We want you here so make your decision or we're moving on to X,Y, Z players.
Ralph Vacchianosays theyre unlikely to offer him anything more...
(and what I posted yesterday) is that Hankins and his agent went into FA with a lot of bravado expecting the mega deal to be waiting.
Unfortunately for Hankins, the offers didn't come in. Giants sensing this put a standing 1 or 2 year deal on the table. This cements what I posted yesterday. I guess the front office isn't willing to be held hostage by a decent player who regressed a little from his best year.
Well, if he was gonna get a better offer, he'd probably already have
(and what I posted yesterday) is that Hankins and his agent went into FA with a lot of bravado expecting the mega deal to be waiting.
Unfortunately for Hankins, the offers didn't come in. Giants sensing this put a standing 1 or 2 year deal on the table. This cements what I posted yesterday. I guess the front office isn't willing to be held hostage by a decent player who regressed a little from his best year.
Hearing anything else on AP? Have there been any talks between them at all?
...his big 2014 campaign was a while ago with a serious injury interposed. He wasn't dominant last season. That was Snacks. Who got about $9M per while starting every game since his rookie season and was named All Pro for 2016.
But the Linval Joseph who hit free agency several years ago was not a better player than Hankins is at the moment.
People really let the last two seasons color their view of the player Joseph was during his years with the Giants and even his first season in Minnesota, when he was considered to be a disappointment.
Hankins wouldn't be the first guy to misjudge the market...
He's a good player. I liked him prior to the draft and I like him now, but he's not exactly a "difference-maker" so he shouldn't expect to get paid like one.
It's easy for me to say it, but I think he should accept the Giants' offer and take it from there. He's still young enough to get another substantial payday if he can prove he's worth it.
Can't help but think this and the rumor about Odrick
...are related to let Hamkins know Giants are getting ready to move-on even if they don't have other appointments set up - yet. Same reporter being leaked a rumor surrounding Giants d-like interests. Also wouldn't surprise me if Hank signs in the next 24-48 hours.
Nothing profound in that statement. But he and Snacks tamed the Cowboy running game and neutralized that vaunted OL.
I have seen nothing impressive in Bromley in 3 years. Thomas? We made him our first Sept waiver pick up. PUPed him, I think. And saw nothing that stood out from him all year.
There isn't an equally talented offensive linemen or LB to spend the money on, other wise maybe I would. But Hank back at $6-7 million I'm fine with.
Good point and I agree. Same situation of Donald Penn setting up visit last year with Giants, then re-signing with Raiders before visit could happen. I too, feel Hankins will be signed rather shortly.
(and what I posted yesterday) is that Hankins and his agent went into FA with a lot of bravado expecting the mega deal to be waiting.
Unfortunately for Hankins, the offers didn't come in. Giants sensing this put a standing 1 or 2 year deal on the table. This cements what I posted yesterday. I guess the front office isn't willing to be held hostage by a decent player who regressed a little from his best year.
Hearing anything else on AP? Have there been any talks between them at all?
The Giants and AP agent have kept in contact during the FA period. How close they are in $$ and years is the issue in what will likely be AP's last contract.
If you're looking for a power back that can grind out tough yards
(and what I posted yesterday) is that Hankins and his agent went into FA with a lot of bravado expecting the mega deal to be waiting.
Unfortunately for Hankins, the offers didn't come in. Giants sensing this put a standing 1 or 2 year deal on the table. This cements what I posted yesterday. I guess the front office isn't willing to be held hostage by a decent player who regressed a little from his best year.
Hearing anything else on AP? Have there been any talks between them at all?
The Giants and AP agent have kept in contact during the FA period. How close they are in $$ and years is the issue in what will likely be AP's last contract.
Who is overrating him? He's a good DT. Maybe even a very good DT. Just because many here want the Giants to keep Hankins doesn't mean we think he's a special player. He's a good player and he's in his prime. I'd love to see him return at a reasonable rate. Good DTs are NOT from the dime a dozen variety no matter wtf anyone here insists on saying. Good players are hard to find.
If they lose Hank it shouldn't devastate anyone here but we are better off keeping him unless we stumble into a good DT from day one in the mid rounds of this draft. Good luck with that.
was much better than Hankins when he left...that's why he got the deal that he got and Hankins is still waiting.
That's a leap. It could just be that when Jo hit FA there was a team out there that had a lot of money and a big need for a good young DT. Based on all the metrics Jo was not much better than HAnkins at this same point in time. Maybe a little better. Maybe. Willy JO just happened to have a suitor. HE was also a guy that had a super bowl ring. That never hurts.
But a lot of his success is attributed to the fact that he is surrounded by good-great players.
Which would appear to be the opinion of the NFL GMs considering no one has budged on his $10M demands and his market appears to be drying up completely.
Seems like a fair nudge in public
jcn56 : 10:46 am
Shit or get off the pot
And this is not for public consumption. This is the Giants saying we've been patient. You're done shopping our offer. If a mega offer was out there you'd have it by now. It's time we continue to build our roster. We want you here so make your decision or we're moving on to X,Y, Z players.
if it wasn't for public consumption the team would not have given this statement to a favored reporter. The GM picks up the phone and calls the agent. You are being told exactly what the team wants you to be told.
opposite: his LACK OF success while being surrounded by 3 All Pros on the DLine. He should've made more noise.
Look at what Malik Jackson did on that DEN DL with Ware, Von Miller and Derek Wolfe? Hankins should've been more disruptive because he was 1on1 the whole year. He really didn't do anything besides hold the line, and you don't pay big $$$ for that.
If the Giants are offering $7M per year and he isn't taking it, he's an idiot or he's getting really bad advice from his agent.
them for wanting an answer. I wouldn't have gave him this long. If he doesn't take the offer by tomorrow I'd bring in Odrick, Tyson Jackson, and Tyson Alualu for visits.
them for wanting an answer. I wouldn't have gave him this long. If he doesn't take the offer by tomorrow I'd bring in Odrick, Tyson Jackson, and Tyson Alualu for visits.
I have always been a fan of Alualu. He would be a solid stopgap if Hankins moved on.
I am sure that Hankins and his agent know about this
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really want him back and compare this to Griffen, Coefield and Joesph. That being said, Hankins is not the player they were. I'm glad (it seems) the Giants aren't bending for him. Don't get me wrong I want him back as well but I don't see it the same way I saw the other DTs they let walk.
Hankins is every bit the player Cofield and Joseph were here. IF he isn't it's too close to discern any real difference. Will JO never had 7 sacks here in a season with NYG. Neither did Cofield.
All three are/were solid DTs. Not great but plus players. Will Jo peaked with Minny but he's still pretty close to what he was here.
I wasn't just speaking in terms of sacks, They all seemed to push the middle alittle more, or perhaps that it just seemed that way because of our DEs. I get what you are saying and perhaps I'm being too nostalgic or something. I was refering to Linval JO, I'm assuming you were as well since Will went to the Radiers.
This draft is littered with them! This likely being dRC's last season in blue, we could really use another cost controlled corner to pair with Apple and Jenkins big contract. I would expect a us to attack the strength of the draft and take CB in the first 3 rounds, along with DL help
Money's not suddenly going to grow on trees Hank, in this market it tends to dry the longer you wait.
Hankins is a NT. Jospeh can play both. The. Other two were 3tech guys. Also even though half the people here still don't get it 7 million per year tells me nothing. How long and how much is guanranteed? 5 years at 7 million w 20 guaranteed is a lot different than 5 years and 7 million at 12 guaranteed.
It's why some morons here never understood that Beatty's deal sucked because his 19 million guarantee hurt the cap implications and. His okay and health dipped.
We need to know more.
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really want him back and compare this to Griffen, Coefield and Joesph. That being said, Hankins is not the player they were. I'm glad (it seems) the Giants aren't bending for him. Don't get me wrong I want him back as well but I don't see it the same way I saw the other DTs they let walk.
Hankins is a NT. Jospeh can play both. The. Other two were 3tech guys. Also even though half the people here still don't get it 7 million per year tells me nothing. How long and how much is guanranteed? 5 years at 7 million w 20 guaranteed is a lot different than 5 years and 7 million at 12 guaranteed.
It's why some morons here never understood that Beatty's deal sucked because his 19 million guarantee hurt the cap implications and. His okay and health dipped.
We need to know more.
Beatty's deal paid him in a way that made him roughly the 12th overall OLT by salary. Considering he was a middle of the pack type guy, that made him slightly overpaid.
The problem wasn't so much paying Beatty, it was the lack of alternatives. The FA market for OLTs has been a bust for some time now, and that's party because a lot of the recently (past 4-5 years) drafted OLTs haven't been much to write home about.
Pretty much the standard "good player" contract we've given out over the years.
Hank has to realize, he is a part time player and thats a good offer for what we are asking of him.
Rather than put up with this
jcn56 : 10:46 am
Shit or get off the pot
And this is not for public consumption. This is the Giants saying we've been patient. You're done shopping our offer. If a mega offer was out there you'd have it by now. It's time we continue to build our roster. We want you here so make your decision or we're moving on to X,Y, Z players.
Unfortunately for Hankins, the offers didn't come in. Giants sensing this put a standing 1 or 2 year deal on the table. This cements what I posted yesterday. I guess the front office isn't willing to be held hostage by a decent player who regressed a little from his best year.
Unfortunately for Hankins, the offers didn't come in. Giants sensing this put a standing 1 or 2 year deal on the table. This cements what I posted yesterday. I guess the front office isn't willing to be held hostage by a decent player who regressed a little from his best year.
Hearing anything else on AP? Have there been any talks between them at all?
People really let the last two seasons color their view of the player Joseph was during his years with the Giants and even his first season in Minnesota, when he was considered to be a disappointment.
He's a good player. I liked him prior to the draft and I like him now, but he's not exactly a "difference-maker" so he shouldn't expect to get paid like one.
It's easy for me to say it, but I think he should accept the Giants' offer and take it from there. He's still young enough to get another substantial payday if he can prove he's worth it.
I have seen nothing impressive in Bromley in 3 years. Thomas? We made him our first Sept waiver pick up. PUPed him, I think. And saw nothing that stood out from him all year.
There isn't an equally talented offensive linemen or LB to spend the money on, other wise maybe I would. But Hank back at $6-7 million I'm fine with.
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(and what I posted yesterday) is that Hankins and his agent went into FA with a lot of bravado expecting the mega deal to be waiting.
Unfortunately for Hankins, the offers didn't come in. Giants sensing this put a standing 1 or 2 year deal on the table. This cements what I posted yesterday. I guess the front office isn't willing to be held hostage by a decent player who regressed a little from his best year.
Hearing anything else on AP? Have there been any talks between them at all?
The Giants and AP agent have kept in contact during the FA period. How close they are in $$ and years is the issue in what will likely be AP's last contract.
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(and what I posted yesterday) is that Hankins and his agent went into FA with a lot of bravado expecting the mega deal to be waiting.
Unfortunately for Hankins, the offers didn't come in. Giants sensing this put a standing 1 or 2 year deal on the table. This cements what I posted yesterday. I guess the front office isn't willing to be held hostage by a decent player who regressed a little from his best year.
Hearing anything else on AP? Have there been any talks between them at all?
The Giants and AP agent have kept in contact during the FA period. How close they are in $$ and years is the issue in what will likely be AP's last contract.
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Well that'd be dumb of you considering he's broken more stories than any NFL writer these last few years. Including Schefter.
He's a liar -
Eli NEVER said it - Story - ( New Window )
Based on what? Your close personal relationship with Eli?
Get back to me when any Manning ever leaves a dollar on the table.
Who is overrating him? He's a good DT. Maybe even a very good DT. Just because many here want the Giants to keep Hankins doesn't mean we think he's a special player. He's a good player and he's in his prime. I'd love to see him return at a reasonable rate. Good DTs are NOT from the dime a dozen variety no matter wtf anyone here insists on saying. Good players are hard to find.
If they lose Hank it shouldn't devastate anyone here but we are better off keeping him unless we stumble into a good DT from day one in the mid rounds of this draft. Good luck with that.
That's a leap. It could just be that when Jo hit FA there was a team out there that had a lot of money and a big need for a good young DT. Based on all the metrics Jo was not much better than HAnkins at this same point in time. Maybe a little better. Maybe. Willy JO just happened to have a suitor. HE was also a guy that had a super bowl ring. That never hurts.
yeah, that would have been crazy.
Which would appear to be the opinion of the NFL GMs considering no one has budged on his $10M demands and his market appears to be drying up completely.
Agreed.
jcn56 : 10:46 am
Shit or get off the pot
And this is not for public consumption. This is the Giants saying we've been patient. You're done shopping our offer. If a mega offer was out there you'd have it by now. It's time we continue to build our roster. We want you here so make your decision or we're moving on to X,Y, Z players.
Look at what Malik Jackson did on that DEN DL with Ware, Von Miller and Derek Wolfe? Hankins should've been more disruptive because he was 1on1 the whole year. He really didn't do anything besides hold the line, and you don't pay big $$$ for that.
If the Giants are offering $7M per year and he isn't taking it, he's an idiot or he's getting really bad advice from his agent.
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Well that'd be dumb of you considering he's broken more stories than any NFL writer these last few years. Including Schefter.
He's a liar -
Eli NEVER said it - Story - ( New Window )
Based on what? Your close personal relationship with Eli?
Get back to me when any Manning ever leaves a dollar on the table.
Based on the fact that Eli said he never said it. You don't remember this?
You're overthinking it. Which is probably not something you're accused of very often.
I have always been a fan of Alualu. He would be a solid stopgap if Hankins moved on.
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Interesting. Was told DT Bennie Logan had a very sizable extension offer on table from #Eagles during the season and turned it down. Whoops.