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NFT: Mets vs. Tigers- Does Harvey get his groove back?

DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 9:43 am
Marc Carig & #10004; @MarcCarig
Lagares CF
Cecchini 2B
Conforto RF
Flores SS
Smith 1B
Plawecki C
Tebow LF
Reynolds 3B
Mazzilli DH

Harvey RHP
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arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 10:22 am : link
Yeah, it's going to be another tight race between the two teams. I just thought the article was garbage.

I am worried about the bullpen. Blanton would have been a really nice add but what's done is done. Just gotta hope our arms stay healthy this year
Mets have their  
pjcas18 : 3/22/2017 10:42 am : link
opening day lineup out there (sans SP) today.

Fascinating  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 10:56 am : link
read on Jay Bruce
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I think we're actually on TV today!  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 11:02 am : link
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RE: Fascinating  
Shecky : 3/22/2017 11:02 am : link
In comment 13402425 DanMetroMan said:
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read on Jay Bruce Link - ( New Window )

That's more a commentary on the Reds lack of belief of the use of analytics previously, than a commentary on Bruce's use of analytics.
2 random questions  
bhill410 : 3/22/2017 12:32 pm : link
Does anyone know if tom szapuki returned to pitching after he was pulled early in camp? And does anyone know how long conforto would have to remain in Vegas to get another year of control?
Looks like everyone wants to cash in on Tim Tebow  
Canton : 3/22/2017 1:07 pm : link
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If you like free food and watching Tim Tebow attempt to play baseball, the Greenville Drive may have the perfect promotion for you.

On Tuesday, the Boston Red Sox Class A affiliate tweeted that when Tebow's new team -- the Columbia Fireflies (the Mets' Class A affiliate) -- comes to town June 13-15, fans in attendance could win free Burger King Whoppers if the 29-year-old strikes out three times in a game during the series.
RE: 2 random questions  
pjcas18 : 3/22/2017 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13402637 bhill410 said:
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Does anyone know if tom szapuki returned to pitching after he was pulled early in camp? And does anyone know how long conforto would have to remain in Vegas to get another year of control?


Yes to #1, no idea to #2, I assumed once the clock starts ticking like I think it has for Conforto, going back to the minors doesn't stop it.
Gave up a run but got a DP...  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 1:16 pm : link
Bases clear, 2 outs.

Matz hit 97 on the gun before.
K's Ozuna looking  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 1:18 pm : link
97 again
Granderson just hit a BOMB.  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 1:27 pm : link
3-1
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DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 1:39 pm : link
As expected @Roseboom_36 expected to open the season with @LasVegas51s
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RE: K's Ozuna looking  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13402723 arcarsenal said:
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97 again


TV gun is hot per Carig. Still hit 95
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DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 1:52 pm : link
Marc Carig ✔ @MarcCarig
Matt den Dekker, Mets killer, with a two-run double. Homered twice last time here.
Bad outing for Matz.  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 1:54 pm : link
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Got it on in time to see Bruce  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:09 pm : link
hit a BOMB. Wheeler in. Can't believe how long it's been since I've seen him actually pitch. He's at 93-94 right now.
Wheeler looks healthy  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:23 pm : link
which of course is the far and away most important thing for him. FB touched 95 a few times and his breaking stuff has some bite to it. Results-wise, reminds me of when he first came up. Trouble putting guys away with 2 strikes, and also trouble throwing strikes.

Swinging bunt for a hit, 4 pitch walk, wild pitch, sac fly by Ozuna, hit Dietrich with a pitch (who made no attempt to move).
Wheeler  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 3:24 pm : link
belongs in extended (Harvey probably does too). If I were in charge I'd break camp with Lugo/Gsellman as the 4/5
If Lugo does well tonight against the US WBC team  
spike : 3/22/2017 3:27 pm : link
They need to seriously consider starting him
In Queens
RE: Wheeler  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13402953 DanMetroMan said:
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belongs in extended (Harvey probably does too). If I were in charge I'd break camp with Lugo/Gsellman as the 4/5


I really don't want to see either one pitching in 45 degree weather in april in Flushing.
Have to love Ron Darling  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:44 pm : link
he just commented that Wheeler is pitching right now with better stuff than Darling EVER had. So the question is, can he become a Pitcher?

Better inning for Wheeler despite one more BB.
Wheeler  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 3:46 pm : link
isn't ready to give a consistent 5-6-7 innings and the pen sans Familia will be heavily taxed every time he can't go 5-6. Let him figure it out in Florida.
TDA swing so much more compact  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:52 pm : link
hopefully he makes the type of impact we all expected.
Mr Wheeler getting hit hard  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 4:06 pm : link
here in his 3rd inning. 3 runs on 2 Hr's
After  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 4:28 pm : link
today no chance Wheeler is in the rotation to open the season.
Based on the cuts today...  
ZGiants98 : 3/22/2017 11:37 pm : link
TJ Rivera and Ty Kelly look like locks for the last two bench spots and the pen will have three of the following five:

Josh Edgin
Josh Smoker
Seth Lugo
Rafael Montero
Paul Sewald

Is it even possible to go any other way? I guess if Familia didnt get suspended at all it would only be two.
No way  
spike : 3/22/2017 11:53 pm : link
Lugo is going to the pen, so either AAA or ML rotation
RE: Based on the cuts today...  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:09 am : link
In comment 13403510 ZGiants98 said:
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TJ Rivera and Ty Kelly look like locks for the last two bench spots and the pen will have three of the following five:

Josh Edgin
Josh Smoker
Seth Lugo
Rafael Montero
Paul Sewald

Is it even possible to go any other way? I guess if Familia didnt get suspended at all it would only be two.


Collins noted the lack of AA/AAA SP options (Ynoa decision even more curious). I'd be pretty blown away if Lugo is in the MLB pen opening day. Sure seems like it's Edgin, Smoker and one of Montero or Sewald.
Would it be the worst thing  
Metnut : 3/23/2017 9:18 am : link
in the world to use Lugo out of the pen (especially with Familia likely suspended)? Mets/Collins would need to be cognizant of not overusing him on back-to-back days, but he could be a nice option to pitch 2-3 innings a few times a week. He'd still be able to make a spot start if needed.

I guess it depends on his warmup routine and whether he'd be able to make the adjustment.
RE: Would it be the worst thing  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:28 am : link
In comment 13403625 Metnut said:
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in the world to use Lugo out of the pen (especially with Familia likely suspended)? Mets/Collins would need to be cognizant of not overusing him on back-to-back days, but he could be a nice option to pitch 2-3 innings a few times a week. He'd still be able to make a spot start if needed.

I guess it depends on his warmup routine and whether he'd be able to make the adjustment.


Not at all a fan of such a move.

1. Collins can't be expected to baby Lugo. You can't expect a manager trying to win games also monitor "special" rules for certain guys. If Lugo is pitching well he's going to be heavily used (just like any other reliever). No way you can constrict TC "no back to backs" etc.

2. Lugo due to previous back issues has never pitched more than 137 innings in a season. Good luck getting him to "normal" starters innings if he's in the pen while Familia is out

3. Lugo still needs work. He's far from a finished product. For all of his positives he still walked 21 in 63 big league innings

4. You can't just take a 2 inning guy and expect him to randomly be able to give you "spot starts". 2 inning guys are warming up even in games they don't appear in. If he's a 2 inning guy, that's his role for the season (unless you are then sending him down to stretch out).
Fans  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:31 am : link
get on managers for overusing relievers but outside of using your top guys in blowouts etc it's really silly. Managers use the best guys they have, they are trying to win games. Outside of end of the year innings caps stuff like not being able to use Lugo in back to backs, or 3-4 times in a given week (+ maybe 1-2 warm ups that you don't get into the game). It is an unfair expectation of a manager. You give him X tools, he uses them the to the best of his ability to win games.
Didn't the Yankees  
Metnut : 3/23/2017 9:32 am : link
always have Ramiro Mendoza as a sort of swing bullpen man who could make spot starts? Darren Oliver might've had a similar role for the Mets at some point?

Maybe the game is different today and maybe Lugo's back makes this an unrealistic option but I'd like to see our best players make the opening day roster if possible.
Look  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:33 am : link
like we can cross off Nimmo for opening day. Ty Kelly lives again.
I guess #2 and #3 (from Dan's post)  
Metnut : 3/23/2017 9:35 am : link
are still maybe compelling arguments to not use him in the pen.
Lugo's back surgery lasted 10 hours wow.  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:37 am : link
After a solid start to his career in his first season in the Mets' organization, Lugo quickly reached a wall. While working out in the winter, he felt what he thought was a back spasm while performing an ab-strengthening exercise. After several MRIs, Lugo was diagnosed with Spondylolisthesis ó which occurs after a displacement of a vertebra in the spine.

To mend it, he had to undergo a lumbar fusion and a surgery that lasted nearly 10 hours, he says. Though doctors had warned him that there was a chance he might not pitch again, only as he approached the procedure did he realize the severity of what he was about to endure.

"Whoa. Hold on, I don't know if I want to do this," Lugo says of his thoughts as he sat with doctors before the surgery. "They kind of just reassured me it was a precaution they have to tell everyone. But that was the only time it really hit me that, whoa, this is a lot more serious than I thought."

The injury took out his entire 2012 season. For three months he could barely move at all, resigned to bed rest.
Id almost Lugo  
Metnut : 3/23/2017 9:37 am : link
rather go to AA than AAA. Didn't he say that he wasn't able to throw his secondary stuff in Vegas due to the air composition there and only started throwing after getting called up to the Mets? Can't see how Vegas AAA will help his development.
RE: Didn't the Yankees  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:43 am : link
In comment 13403634 Metnut said:
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always have Ramiro Mendoza as a sort of swing bullpen man who could make spot starts? Darren Oliver might've had a similar role for the Mets at some point?

Maybe the game is different today and maybe Lugo's back makes this an unrealistic option but I'd like to see our best players make the opening day roster if possible.


Ramiro Mendoza in 1997 made 15 starts. He opened the season in the Yankees rotation and made 11 of these starts out of his first 17 appearances. He was essentially a SP who also made a few relief appearances that season. Because he began the season as a SP it was easy to have him make a few multi inning relief appearances. 1998 was much of the same. Opened the season in the Yankees rotation first 13 appearances, 11 starts
RE: Id almost Lugo  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:44 am : link
In comment 13403643 Metnut said:
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rather go to AA than AAA. Didn't he say that he wasn't able to throw his secondary stuff in Vegas due to the air composition there and only started throwing after getting called up to the Mets? Can't see how Vegas AAA will help his development.


His own mother said he lost his CB at one point last season. I absolutely despise LV but it hasn't exactly retarded the development of our young SP. If you are good you will survive.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:46 am : link
a final note on Mendoza. 1998 his first 13 appearances he averaged 5.5 innings per appearance (11 starts). 1997 first 17 appearances 11 starts, 4.4 innings per appearance. Moving guys from the rotation to the bullpen as the season drags on is pretty common, moving guys in-season from the BP to rotation without being sent down is very unusual nowadays.
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 9:47 am : link
like best case for Nimmo is about a week away from being in games.
Ty Kelly is a fine 25th man  
spike : 3/23/2017 12:19 pm : link
He plays If and Of and he can draw a walk to lengthen an inning
Fangraphs on the Mets RF situation  
Metnut : 3/23/2017 12:34 pm : link
"I will admit to having fact-checked my colleague who handles the Mets depth chart because, on its face, giving this much time to Jay Bruce when you have Michael Conforto is a little bewildering. Now maybe itís as simple as the Mets figuring they should see what Bruce can offer before making any irreversible roster move. Maybe itís as simple as Terry Collins liking how 33 homers and 99 RBI look on Bruceís baseball card. Maybe itís as simple as Bruceís wRC+ in 2016 being better than Confortoís.

Yet it seems like an honest accounting of the situation would tell you not to put too much stock in Bruceís good 2016 first half compared to his broader body of work. There are plenty of worlds in which Bruce has a better year than Conforto, but Conforto is a young player on the rise who projects better than Bruce this year. And thatís before you get to the matter of defense, where the numbers and the eye test tell you Conforto brings more to the table. Itís a rough tool, but if you just prorate our ZiPS/Steamer blend over 600 PA, Conforto beats him at the plate and outpaces him by more than two wins of value."
Speaking of FG (timely from Dave Cameron)  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 12:37 pm : link
The Tone: Given the Metsí ďpredicamentĒ of having more than 5 quality options for the starting rotation out of spring training do you think, assuming Gsellman is the 5th starter, it is both viable and a good idea to have Seth Lugo serve as a multi-inning reliever/piggyback starter for the first part of the season as opposed to just staying stretched out and burning innings in AAA waiting for someone to go down? Heís looked good in the WBC, and that fastball and super-spin curve should play up in shorter outings (which I think was borne out in his peripherals in relief last year).
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Dave Cameron: Iíd probably keep him stretched out to start, even if that means he hangs out in AAA for a bit. The odds of that staff staying healthy all year is basically 0%.
If  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 12:40 pm : link
this wasn't a joke, Bill Simmons comes off as such a tool
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Lol nice dan,  
Metnut : 3/23/2017 12:40 pm : link
basically the same exact question I posted this morning.

Hopefully Harvey can keep on improving so we head to opening day with 5 nice starters.
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DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 5:13 pm : link
Per TC-So Gsellman is in the rotation, Harvey is in the rotation and Nimmo will open on the DL #Mets
Admittedly  
DanMetroMan : 3/23/2017 5:14 pm : link
TC simply raved about Gsellman and said the WBC wouldn't impact the Mets rotation so he didn't flat out say Gsellman made it but.... he also said Nimmo "isn't close". DL is my guess.
For those that missed it today  
Shecky : 3/23/2017 8:25 pm : link
Cabrera getting tossed today was hysterical. But him and Walker definitely broke up the monotony and got a little bit more respect from their teammates today.
Loved how Droobs took his sweet time walking off the field.  
arcarsenal : 3/23/2017 8:31 pm : link
LOL
Angel Hernandez  
PhiPsi125 : 3/23/2017 9:23 pm : link
Still a dick of an umpire. There aren't many, if any, umpires I have a problem with. But that guy is a special one.
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