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NFT: Mets vs. Tigers- Does Harvey get his groove back?

DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 9:43 am
Marc Carig & #10004; @MarcCarig
Lagares CF
Cecchini 2B
Conforto RF
Flores SS
Smith 1B
Plawecki C
Tebow LF
Reynolds 3B
Mazzilli DH

Harvey RHP
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Very interesting  
DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 9:29 am : link
move by the White Sox. They locked up Tim Anderson for 6 years 25 million. It's a gamble given how unproven he is but potentially a major bargain.
Harsh article  
Metnut : 3/21/2017 9:40 am : link
here on the Mets handling of Conforto and the OF.


https://theringer.com/2017-mlb-preview-new-york-mets-outfield-logjam-michael-conforto-jay-bruce-8364747de3b#.8jp5zcqlu - ( New Window )
RE: Very interesting  
Shecky : 3/21/2017 10:32 am : link
In comment 13401111 DanMetroMan said:
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move by the White Sox. They locked up Tim Anderson for 6 years 25 million. It's a gamble given how unproven he is but potentially a major bargain.


Wish this organization was more of a believer in that philosophy.
Given how lost Conforto looked at the plate last season...  
Torrag : 3/21/2017 10:34 am : link
...it's dumb to kill the organization for starting him in LV given the roster constraints in the current situation. We all know what it is.
RE: Harsh article  
Shecky : 3/21/2017 10:38 am : link
In comment 13401130 Metnut said:
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here on the Mets handling of Conforto and the OF.
https://theringer.com/2017-mlb-preview-new-york-mets-outfield-logjam-michael-conforto-jay-bruce-8364747de3b#.8jp5zcqlu - ( New Window )


It's the cool thing to bash right now. Yet these would be the same people blasting the team if he struggled. Bottom line is it will help, not hinder him to go to Vegas in a relaxed atmosphere with no pressure to work on the small parts of his game. Ensuring he's ready, whenever that is. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
RE: RE: Very interesting  
DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 10:42 am : link
In comment 13401223 Shecky said:
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In comment 13401111 DanMetroMan said:


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move by the White Sox. They locked up Tim Anderson for 6 years 25 million. It's a gamble given how unproven he is but potentially a major bargain.



Wish this organization was more of a believer in that philosophy.


Agreed 100%. Bet on your young talent.
RE: RE: Harsh article  
Metnut : 3/21/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13401237 Shecky said:
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In comment 13401130 Metnut said:


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here on the Mets handling of Conforto and the OF.
https://theringer.com/2017-mlb-preview-new-york-mets-outfield-logjam-michael-conforto-jay-bruce-8364747de3b#.8jp5zcqlu - ( New Window )



It's the cool thing to bash right now. Yet these would be the same people blasting the team if he struggled. Bottom line is it will help, not hinder him to go to Vegas in a relaxed atmosphere with no pressure to work on the small parts of his game. Ensuring he's ready, whenever that is. Hopefully sooner rather than later.


Fair enough.

I don't agree and think Conforto should be up here day one, but I see the other side of the thinking. Hopefully either Bruce plays better than expected or Conforto is promoted quickly and plays well.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 11:04 am : link
big on Conforto but one could argue his spring wasn't good enough to win the job all things considered (meaning he had to overcome being behind Bruce). Yeah .356 is pretty but 1 walk, 10 k's over 45 ab's
RE: I'm  
Shecky : 3/21/2017 11:21 am : link
In comment 13401278 DanMetroMan said:
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big on Conforto but one could argue his spring wasn't good enough to win the job all things considered (meaning he had to overcome being behind Bruce). Yeah .356 is pretty but 1 walk, 10 k's over 45 ab's


His first week he was smoking hot. But even then he wasn't swinging "well". He's hitting about 270 since - hasn't blown anyone away. Still flaws.
RE: RE: I'm  
DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 11:25 am : link
In comment 13401299 Shecky said:
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In comment 13401278 DanMetroMan said:


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big on Conforto but one could argue his spring wasn't good enough to win the job all things considered (meaning he had to overcome being behind Bruce). Yeah .356 is pretty but 1 walk, 10 k's over 45 ab's



His first week he was smoking hot. But even then he wasn't swinging "well". He's hitting about 270 since - hasn't blown anyone away. Still flaws.


He's become far too pull happy. If anything some "blocked" time in LV might relax him a bit vs. trying to shock the world and beat out Bruce.
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DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 11:44 am : link
Sobering Wright piece from Kernan. Described the pain when throwing as "shooting pain" and basically acknowledged he likely will not be "pain free" in the shoulder even if the rehab works.
Love seeing stuff like this  
pjcas18 : 3/21/2017 11:44 am : link
keeps the guy loose and helps build chemistry.

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Josh Smoker‏Verified account @Josh_Smoker 17h17 hours ago

Word to the wise. Don't Park in deGrom's spot, @KevinKaz4


PJ  
DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 11:58 am : link
that's exactly why I found the complaints about the players being told no dressing up as woman as part of hazing going forward. Aren't there more original ways to do team building than POTENTIALLY insult woman/transgender people? Dressing as a woman is lame/played out.
Some cool Bruce stuff...  
ZGiants98 : 3/21/2017 8:49 pm : link
Bruce is one of the Mets’ most willing recipients of this data, along with Cespedes, Long said. So that Long can spend his time focusing on hitting mechanics, he leans on Roessler to examine hitting data with players.

When they spot something in the numbers, they decide whether to approach a player with it because, as Long put it, some are not ready to digest that much information.

“We’ve pointed out just a few things to Jay, and he’s said he wants it all,” Long said.

“I appreciate information,” Bruce said. “I may not agree with it, but I at least want to know.”

All this data has helped Bruce get a more vivid sense of what type of hitter he is and how best to maximize his skills. Bruce, who is left-handed, knows he is a power hitter — he has averaged 27 home runs a year over nine seasons — and the data overwhelmingly shows that balls in the air to the pull side are the best option for him.

“And that’s what I do the most,” Bruce said. “So why wouldn’t I work on pulling the ball in the air with efficiency?”

And consider this: Since Bruce’s debut season in 2008, only David Ortiz (41.1 percent) turned more fly balls hit to the pull side into home runs than did Bruce (40.4 percent), according to FanGraphs.com. Those results happen to run counter to the hitting instruction Bruce said he received when he was younger.

He said coaches told him to hit the ball to left field, which would perhaps lead to a higher average. But advanced metrics helped Bruce understand that was not his strength.

“You have to recognize what your strong swing is,” Bruce said. “Listen, I’m not going up there trying to yank the ball into the seats. I’m trying to stay in the big part of the field. But my best swing is to right-center. So what balls can I hit to right-center?”

To do that, Bruce looks at heat maps that show how hard he hits the ball, a statistic known as exit velocity, based on the area of the strike zone the pitch is in. He studies what pitches he has most often chased out of the strike zone. He also evaluates the path of his bat, known as launch angle, to see if he is producing the right amount of lift.

“There’s absolutely nothing for you on the ground to the pull side,” he said. “That’s just death to the baseball. So what balls am I hitting there?”

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Terry will never be my favorite manager...  
ZGiants98 : 3/21/2017 8:50 pm : link
but JFC am I happy we have Warthen, Long, and Sandy.
LOL..  
arcarsenal : 3/21/2017 9:37 pm : link
Anyone read this garbage article by Davidoff?
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RE: Love seeing stuff like this  
GF1080 : 3/21/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13401360 pjcas18 said:
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keeps the guy loose and helps build chemistry.



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Josh Smoker‏Verified account @Josh_Smoker 17h17 hours ago

Word to the wise. Don't Park in deGrom's spot, @KevinKaz4





Dumb stuff. Why would he park there originally?
RE: LOL..  
ZGiants98 : 3/21/2017 11:11 pm : link
In comment 13402072 arcarsenal said:
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Anyone read this garbage article by Davidoff? Link - ( New Window )


Trash. Bryce Harper is hitting in spring training and some interesting bullpen pieces have emerged like Blanton? LOL

Just about everything has gone right for the Mets this spring outside of maybe Harvey's slow start and we seemed to have a ton of injury questions heading in. Duda is healthy and mashing. Walker is the best he's felt in a decade. deGrom is popping 97. Matz looks 100%. Cespedes is just as locked in as Harper has been. Almost everyone is hitting including Conforto and TDA. Familia might actually be suspended for LESS than 30 games. pfftt...
Cuts  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 9:16 am : link
Rowen, Taijeron, Cecchini, Reynolds, Goeddel


Reynolds is a mild surprise. Thought he might make the team. Paul Sewald's chances creeping up. Nice. #Mets
RE: RE: LOL..  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13402136 ZGiants98 said:
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Anyone read this garbage article by Davidoff? Link - ( New Window )



Trash. Bryce Harper is hitting in spring training and some interesting bullpen pieces have emerged like Blanton? LOL

Just about everything has gone right for the Mets this spring outside of maybe Harvey's slow start and we seemed to have a ton of injury questions heading in. Duda is healthy and mashing. Walker is the best he's felt in a decade. deGrom is popping 97. Matz looks 100%. Cespedes is just as locked in as Harper has been. Almost everyone is hitting including Conforto and TDA. Familia might actually be suspended for LESS than 30 games. pfftt...


The best part is that he never actually mentions the Mets or explains why things are falling apart. He just outlines the absolute best case scenario from front to back for the Nationals. Terrible writing.
RE: Cuts  
Shecky : 3/22/2017 10:15 am : link
In comment 13402282 DanMetroMan said:
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Rowen, Taijeron, Cecchini, Reynolds, Goeddel


Reynolds is a mild surprise. Thought he might make the team. Paul Sewald's chances creeping up. Nice. #Mets


Surprised by Rowen, disappointed in Goeddel this spring. Safe to say they'd take a do over with Ynoa this winter.
Health  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 10:15 am : link
will dictate the NL East. Both teams are very talented. I think the Nationals are "better" on paper by a nose but it's very close. I'm still concerned with the Mets bullpen (not that the Nats pen looks incredible). Just wish we would have added 1 more decent arm (Blanton was cheap and gettable for one).
Goeddel  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 10:16 am : link
might be done. Not being cruel but his velocity this spring has been sub-MLB levels. Looks like they will carry 3 lefties
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arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 10:22 am : link
Yeah, it's going to be another tight race between the two teams. I just thought the article was garbage.

I am worried about the bullpen. Blanton would have been a really nice add but what's done is done. Just gotta hope our arms stay healthy this year
Mets have their  
pjcas18 : 3/22/2017 10:42 am : link
opening day lineup out there (sans SP) today.

Fascinating  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 10:56 am : link
read on Jay Bruce
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I think we're actually on TV today!  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 11:02 am : link
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RE: Fascinating  
Shecky : 3/22/2017 11:02 am : link
In comment 13402425 DanMetroMan said:
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read on Jay Bruce Link - ( New Window )

That's more a commentary on the Reds lack of belief of the use of analytics previously, than a commentary on Bruce's use of analytics.
2 random questions  
bhill410 : 3/22/2017 12:32 pm : link
Does anyone know if tom szapuki returned to pitching after he was pulled early in camp? And does anyone know how long conforto would have to remain in Vegas to get another year of control?
Looks like everyone wants to cash in on Tim Tebow  
Canton : 3/22/2017 1:07 pm : link
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If you like free food and watching Tim Tebow attempt to play baseball, the Greenville Drive may have the perfect promotion for you.

On Tuesday, the Boston Red Sox Class A affiliate tweeted that when Tebow's new team -- the Columbia Fireflies (the Mets' Class A affiliate) -- comes to town June 13-15, fans in attendance could win free Burger King Whoppers if the 29-year-old strikes out three times in a game during the series.
RE: 2 random questions  
pjcas18 : 3/22/2017 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13402637 bhill410 said:
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Does anyone know if tom szapuki returned to pitching after he was pulled early in camp? And does anyone know how long conforto would have to remain in Vegas to get another year of control?


Yes to #1, no idea to #2, I assumed once the clock starts ticking like I think it has for Conforto, going back to the minors doesn't stop it.
Gave up a run but got a DP...  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 1:16 pm : link
Bases clear, 2 outs.

Matz hit 97 on the gun before.
K's Ozuna looking  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 1:18 pm : link
97 again
Granderson just hit a BOMB.  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 1:27 pm : link
3-1
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DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 1:39 pm : link
As expected @Roseboom_36 expected to open the season with @LasVegas51s
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RE: K's Ozuna looking  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13402723 arcarsenal said:
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97 again


TV gun is hot per Carig. Still hit 95
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DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 1:52 pm : link
Marc Carig ✔ @MarcCarig
Matt den Dekker, Mets killer, with a two-run double. Homered twice last time here.
Bad outing for Matz.  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 1:54 pm : link
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Got it on in time to see Bruce  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:09 pm : link
hit a BOMB. Wheeler in. Can't believe how long it's been since I've seen him actually pitch. He's at 93-94 right now.
Wheeler looks healthy  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:23 pm : link
which of course is the far and away most important thing for him. FB touched 95 a few times and his breaking stuff has some bite to it. Results-wise, reminds me of when he first came up. Trouble putting guys away with 2 strikes, and also trouble throwing strikes.

Swinging bunt for a hit, 4 pitch walk, wild pitch, sac fly by Ozuna, hit Dietrich with a pitch (who made no attempt to move).
Wheeler  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 3:24 pm : link
belongs in extended (Harvey probably does too). If I were in charge I'd break camp with Lugo/Gsellman as the 4/5
If Lugo does well tonight against the US WBC team  
spike : 3/22/2017 3:27 pm : link
They need to seriously consider starting him
In Queens
RE: Wheeler  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13402953 DanMetroMan said:
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belongs in extended (Harvey probably does too). If I were in charge I'd break camp with Lugo/Gsellman as the 4/5


I really don't want to see either one pitching in 45 degree weather in april in Flushing.
Have to love Ron Darling  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:44 pm : link
he just commented that Wheeler is pitching right now with better stuff than Darling EVER had. So the question is, can he become a Pitcher?

Better inning for Wheeler despite one more BB.
Wheeler  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 3:46 pm : link
isn't ready to give a consistent 5-6-7 innings and the pen sans Familia will be heavily taxed every time he can't go 5-6. Let him figure it out in Florida.
TDA swing so much more compact  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 3:52 pm : link
hopefully he makes the type of impact we all expected.
Mr Wheeler getting hit hard  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/22/2017 4:06 pm : link
here in his 3rd inning. 3 runs on 2 Hr's
After  
DanMetroMan : 3/22/2017 4:28 pm : link
today no chance Wheeler is in the rotation to open the season.
Based on the cuts today...  
ZGiants98 : 3/22/2017 11:37 pm : link
TJ Rivera and Ty Kelly look like locks for the last two bench spots and the pen will have three of the following five:

Josh Edgin
Josh Smoker
Seth Lugo
Rafael Montero
Paul Sewald

Is it even possible to go any other way? I guess if Familia didnt get suspended at all it would only be two.
No way  
spike : 3/22/2017 11:53 pm : link
Lugo is going to the pen, so either AAA or ML rotation
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