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NFT: Mets vs. Tigers- Does Harvey get his groove back?

DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 9:43 am
Marc Carig & #10004; @MarcCarig
Lagares CF
Cecchini 2B
Conforto RF
Flores SS
Smith 1B
Plawecki C
Tebow LF
Reynolds 3B
Mazzilli DH

Harvey RHP
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I don't think he gets it back  
CMicks3110 : 3/20/2017 9:59 am : link
Just my opinion
Happy to  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 10:04 am : link
see Flores get the start at SS.
..  
Named Later : 3/20/2017 10:06 am : link
I suppose we'll be hearing about Familia's suspension pretty soon. The Commish didn't exactly cover himself in glory, it stinks the way he handled this whole thing. Use Familia to aggrandize the WBC.....then suspend him for the start of the regular season.
Hopefully he's still able to deliver the high hard one  
The_Boss : 3/20/2017 10:09 am : link
and not to just Adrianna Lima.
RE: ..  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 10:12 am : link
In comment 13399659 Named Later said:
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I suppose we'll be hearing about Familia's suspension pretty soon. The Commish didn't exactly cover himself in glory, it stinks the way he handled this whole thing. Use Familia to aggrandize the WBC.....then suspend him for the start of the regular season.


Agreed 100%
Why all the anger at the commish  
Shecky : 3/20/2017 11:17 am : link
No one truly believes that the Mets haven't been given a HINT about the Familia situation??
RE: Why all the anger at the commish  
feelflows : 3/20/2017 11:19 am : link
In comment 13399744 Shecky said:
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No one truly believes that the Mets haven't been given a HINT about the Familia situation??


I think the sentiment is that they let him pitch the WBC because it's an important tournament for MLB..and then they will suspend him. Almost like they are using him.

BUT.. I'm pretty sure he could've opted out of playing the WBC. Maybe he struck a deal with MLB to play it for a reduced sentence.
No TV today.  
arcarsenal : 3/20/2017 11:20 am : link
Yay.
He prob wants to play in WBC  
spike : 3/20/2017 11:21 am : link
As a source of national pride
Interesting data-driven article  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 12:17 pm : link
on fangraphs looking at how Harvey might fair if his velocity doesn't go up from where it is now (i.e., if he sits at 92mph with his fb with occasional bursts a little higher). Short summary is that we need to hope he gets at least most of his FB back at some point.


http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/imagining-the-new-matt-harvey/ - ( New Window )
Tebow to open the season in Columbia  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:18 pm : link
per Sandy
RE: Tebow to open the season in Columbia  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13399975 DanMetroMan said:
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per Sandy


Do you think he sticks it out and plays out the entire minor league season?
RE: RE: Tebow to open the season in Columbia  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13399981 Metnut said:
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In comment 13399975 DanMetroMan said:


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per Sandy



Do you think he sticks it out and plays out the entire minor league season?


Columbia is no joke so it's possible he's so bad they come up with an escape plan. That said odds are they would likely pass him around to teams like Brooklyn to milk every penny if possible.
Harvey hit 94  
CMicks3110 : 3/20/2017 1:22 pm : link
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I'm more wondering whether  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 1:23 pm : link
he just quits and does something else if it goes terrible. If he stuck it out for one or more full seasons, I'd have more respect for him.

Ehalt says Harvey sitting at 93/94 today.
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:24 pm : link
Marc Carig‏Verified account @MarcCarig 3m3 minutes ago
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Harvey 93-94 in first inning. Two hits thus fsr. So, more of the same.
The Matt Harvey watch  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 1:28 pm : link
Matt Ehalt
19 pitches for Harvey in first. Two singles. Was at 93-94 on the pitches they showed. Allowed soft contact. One K.
You can def get by at 93-94  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 1:30 pm : link
He probably can't blow by as many hitters as he was used to, just have to pitch smarter
RE: I'm more wondering whether  
spike : 3/20/2017 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13399990 Metnut said:
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he just quits and does something else if it goes terrible. If he stuck it out for one or more full seasons, I'd have more respect for him.

Ehalt says Harvey sitting at 93/94 today.


Tebow will probably go write a book about it and do public speaking, and go back to college football analysis. There is no money in minor league baseball and he ain't cracking a major league lineup, except maybe in September as a favor.
RE: I'm more wondering whether  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13399990 Metnut said:
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he just quits and does something else if it goes terrible. If he stuck it out for one or more full seasons, I'd have more respect for him.

Ehalt says Harvey sitting at 93/94 today.


Columbia is going to be a real challenge. I mean for context Kevin Kaczmarski was a 9th round pick in 2015, hit .355 in Kingsport and "only" hit .268 in Columbia. Of players that played at least 50 games they had 6 players hit over .260, 6 players with an OPS above .700 (and that group includes Thompson (4th round in 2015), Siena (14th round in 2015), Kaczmarski (9th round in 2015), Garcia (4th round in 2014), Mazeika 8th round in 2015 and Jeff Diehl (23rd rounder in 2011 (he only hit .234 but hit 9 homers with a decent walk rate to boost his OPS)
Couple things with Harvey  
Shecky : 3/20/2017 1:35 pm : link
1) his velocity will increase with time
2) he came out of school at 93-95, so this isn't uncharted territory for him
3) worst case scenario is this is an eye opening experience for the pitchers top to bottom in the franchise - and a focus on pitching over throwing becomes more important.
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:37 pm : link
Matt Ehalt‏ @MattEhalt 16s16 seconds ago
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Harvey yields a homer to left on 86-mph offering to James McCann.
Harvey  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:39 pm : link
giving up very hard contact this inning per Carig
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:40 pm : link
Chris McCosky‏ @cmccosky 3m3 minutes ago
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Tigers have hit Matt Harvey hard so far. James McCann pulled a hanging slider out onto the berm in LF. 1-0 Tigers. Moya just missed an HR
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:41 pm : link
Marc Carig‏Verified account @MarcCarig 17s17 seconds ago
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Matt Harvey, velo still low 90s, gives up a ground rule double. In left field, Tim Tebow couldn't chase it down.
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harvey should do extended ST with Wheeler  
spike : 3/20/2017 1:41 pm : link
in Florida, and let Lugo start the season in Queens
Spring Training  
TyreeHelmet : 3/20/2017 1:43 pm : link
Went to the Mets/ Cards game on Saturday in Jupiter. First experience attending a spring training game. Awesome atmosphere and highly recommend it. Will definitely go again next year.
Harvey  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:43 pm : link
2 innings 4 hits (HR/2b) 0 walks 3 k's
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:45 pm : link
James Wagner‏Verified account @ByJamesWagner 8s9 seconds ago
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Harvey through two innings: 40 pitches, three strikeouts, four hits allowed including a homer, 92-94 mph.
Sounds like  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 1:45 pm : link
that he's not locating or his stuff is hittable. Maybe both.
There's little evidence  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 1:54 pm : link
so far to support the idea that Harvey can still pitch good at a velocity this low. It's possible that he learns how eventually but doesn't look to be there right now.

I think the Mets will take a long look at Lugo when he's back in camp.
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 1:59 pm : link
Marc Carig ✔ @MarcCarig
So, Harvey retires the Tigers in order. Humped up against Castellanos, fastball to 95 and 96.
Matt Harvey velo watch  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 2:00 pm : link
Matt Ehalt 1m
Perfect third. Through 53.

Marc Carig
Board shows a 96 after that Harvey heater.
I  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 2:00 pm : link
personally don't give a shit about Tebow but Columbia is a good spot to not have him block anyone. He's not playing over Lindsay and outside of Cespedes I can't come up with another OF where I'd be furious he took time from them.
mets beat writers excitedly tweeting (i'm just guessing)  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 2:01 pm : link
Mike Puma 2m
Harvey just went 95, 96, 95 with his last 3 pitches.
RE: I  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13400084 DanMetroMan said:
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personally don't give a shit about Tebow but Columbia is a good spot to not have him block anyone. He's not playing over Lindsay and outside of Cespedes I can't come up with another OF where I'd be furious he took time from them.


First person (Lindsay) that came to mind. Tebow, if he has any talent at all, will be exposed here.
right on cue  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 2:05 pm : link
Columbia Fireflies
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lol  
sshin05 : 3/20/2017 2:07 pm : link
Amazin' Avenue 6m
LetsGlow rhymes with Tebow. The t-shirts basically print themselves.
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13400089 sshin05 said:
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In comment 13400084 DanMetroMan said:


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personally don't give a shit about Tebow but Columbia is a good spot to not have him block anyone. He's not playing over Lindsay and outside of Cespedes I can't come up with another OF where I'd be furious he took time from them.



First person (Lindsay) that came to mind. Tebow, if he has any talent at all, will be exposed here.


Lindsay is playing every day, not even the Mets could screw that up. Cespedes could potentially skip BK but I can't really come up with 3 OF's who are legit prospects who played in Kingsport/BK last year who Tebow would be blocking. JM Medina is sort of interesting but likely in BK. If you are "anti-Tebow" it's the best possible spot for him in my view.
RE: mets beat writers excitedly tweeting (i'm just guessing)  
Metnut : 3/20/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13400085 sshin05 said:
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Mike Puma 2m
Harvey just went 95, 96, 95 with his last 3 pitches.


Well that's a whole different ballgame right there! Nice!
The  
DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 2:20 pm : link
Mets are extremely thin in minor league OF prospects


Nimmo, Becerra, R. Cespedes, Lindsay would be "the 4". Anyone beyond that would likely be a specialist type like Champ Stuart.
I wouldn't obsess over Harvey's velo  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2017 2:22 pm : link
Two surgeries later, the 97-98mph Harvey may be gone. And that would hardly be the end of the world.
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DanMetroMan : 3/20/2017 2:33 pm : link
vey: 4 1/3 innings, 7 hits, 3 runs all earned, 0 walks, 4 strikeouts and a homer. Runner on first is on him.
Very happy to see a 96 today...  
ZGiants98 : 3/20/2017 3:38 pm : link
If reports are true and medically he wont be fully recovered until May, I think we have to be happy with that.
Most positive sign this week  
Shecky : 3/20/2017 3:56 pm : link
This goes for Harvey as much as the others. This past week was a focus on off speed pitches and command. The hardest hit balls were not off prime fastballs. But instead the secondary pitches. Which were forced more than normal this week. So there is today's "glass half full".
95-96 for Matt is a win  
Torrag : 3/20/2017 5:03 pm : link
anyway you cut it.
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ZGiants98 : 3/20/2017 8:35 pm : link
Kristie Ackert ✔ @Ackert_NYDN
Harvey looked good Monday, #Mets cautiously optimistic.
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ZGiants98 : 3/20/2017 10:07 pm : link
MLB Pipeline ✔ @MLBPipeline
#Mets prospect T.J. Rivera swats a solo HR in his first AB to give Puerto Rico the lead in #WBC2017 semis.
Per  
DanMetroMan : 3/21/2017 9:11 am : link
MMO a Mets scout says Conforto "definitely" going to LV
RE: Per  
Shecky : 3/21/2017 9:22 am : link
In comment 13401085 DanMetroMan said:
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MMO a Mets scout says Conforto "definitely" going to LV

Been the very obvious plan from day one. Just wonder how written that is in stone with Nimmo being more questionable?
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