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Francesa killing Beckham for no showing at Wrap Up Breakfast

MookGiants : 3/20/2017 1:20 pm
Says he cancelled on saturday night last minute after getting paid and agreeing to come.

Not a good look for him
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RE: RE: RE: I dont care what the guy does off of the field...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2017 6:00 pm : link
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just show up EVERY game and catch the fucking ball. Stop creating a "circus" like atmosphere with your bullshit.



basically, I agree. Stop the circus, and recognize tons of people are just waiting to turn your every move into a circus. Justified or not



The reality is that HE is the one doing this stuff. People are just reacting to it. If you know that the media has their eye on you then you are even more of an idiot for doing those things.



At what point do people have some responsibility here? Maybe the problem is the people are the ones that stick their noses into the lives of 20 year old kids and come away confused and angry that 20 somethings act like 20 somethings. If he puts his life on twitter, that's one thing. It's quite another to decide to care about it.

Maybe it's the people's fault for gobbling up twitter gossip and sports radio and reacting to things irrationally venomously. Sports fans make these guys way more important than they really are, then get shocked that a stranger doesn't meet their idealized impression of them.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So it wasn't a last second no show  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2017 6:01 pm : link
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And half of BBI is ready to crucify the kid.



36 hours before an event when it's been planned for a couple months absolutely is a last second no show.



Man, you'd be raking it in as a doctor with that terrible policy. Talk about a reach.



yeah, because a doctors appointment has hundreds of people relying on you to be there after they shelled out hundreds of dollars expecting you to be there. When you put out 600 dollars for a ticket and promise your kid he's going to get to meet Beckham and get an autograph, him cancelling 36 hours before absolutely is last minute.

Comparing it to cancelling a doctors appointment is mind numbing.


Yeah, you're really upset for the kids, huh?
Well KWALL paid $600 to see Lebron  
David in LA : 3/20/2017 6:05 pm : link
at least people got a refund and notice ahead of time. BFD if you get your money back.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So it wasn't a last second no show  
therealmf : 3/20/2017 6:07 pm : link
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And half of BBI is ready to crucify the kid.



36 hours before an event when it's been planned for a couple months absolutely is a last second no show.



Man, you'd be raking it in as a doctor with that terrible policy. Talk about a reach.



yeah, because a doctors appointment has hundreds of people relying on you to be there after they shelled out hundreds of dollars expecting you to be there. When you put out 600 dollars for a ticket and promise your kid he's going to get to meet Beckham and get an autograph, him cancelling 36 hours before absolutely is last minute.

Comparing it to cancelling a doctors appointment is mind numbing.


Doctors have policies about how far in advance an appointment must be cancelled not to be charged. Do you know what is customary notice for an event like this? I don't but do you?
In and of itself....It's not really a huge deal  
AnnapolisMike : 3/20/2017 6:11 pm : link
If you step back and look at the larger picture then things like this and all the other silly crap allows people to form an opinion of him and the type of person he is. Some won't care....others will.

He is not going anywhere with regards to the Giants. They will pick up his option next year. But if the sillyness continues...perhaps he is a guy you let go instead of paying him $50M+ guaranteed.

I've seen him stay late well past what should reasonably be expected  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2017 6:13 pm : link
to greet and sign for kids and families, for free, after training camp practices.

But yeah, let's sharpen up those axes and pretend it's all about the kids.

Hopefully more comes out to further blow apart this non story mouthpieced by the king of grudging against sports personalities who don't kiss his ring.
RE: I dont care what the guy does off of the field...  
Mr. Bungle : 3/20/2017 6:17 pm : link
In comment 13400384 EricJ said:
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just show up EVERY game and catch the fucking ball

Well, he doesn't do that, either. Like playoff games.
BigBlueBreakfast I was there  
dlgiants : 3/20/2017 6:51 pm : link
I was at the Breakfast on Sunday
Yea - Beckham cancelled but we got notified a couple of days before the event (Friday night? ) via email which was no big deal for me because it was noted from the start that Beckham would not being part of the autograph session at the end of the show and I was not going to pay the $599.00 for the VIP ticket so I could "meet and greet OBJ and Collins"
Francesa, showed up in the main area walking onto the stage waving at people like he was the Mayor of NY and when it was his time, talked for about 10 minutes off of some written notes about each player that showed up. I no longer have any use for Francesa - thank God for satellite radio

Beckham does have a lot of maturing to do - fast - but he may have a valid excuse for missing the breakfast

Beckham shows up before games and signs for everyone every home Sunday game He does have appreciation for the fan base

Landon Collins left right before they broke up for autographs - he walked - almost ran - straight out of the Hotel We were told he had to catch a flight at the airport

I have been going to these events for 10+ years (they did not have the breakfast for the past 4 years) and they have always been Hectic and the players announced are rarely the players who show up
ODB is who he is  
DieHard : 3/20/2017 6:57 pm : link
Those with a preconceived notion of how he should act, and are waiting/hoping/demanding for that to happen, are wasting their time. But if you take it as a certainty that his attitude will derail the team's chances, just remember: plenty of championship teams have had jerks playing major roles in their success.
Ever think something last minute came up in beckhams personal life  
UConn4523 : 3/20/2017 6:58 pm : link
ever happen to any of you?
Thanks for the insight DLGiants  
David in LA : 3/20/2017 7:01 pm : link
Seems like more people on this board are more outraged than the people that were in attendance.
It would be nice if we could just worry  
Motley Two : 3/20/2017 7:05 pm : link
about what the guy does ON the field and the last time I checked...oh right, he shit the bed in the play offs :(
He s becoming  
joeinpa : 3/20/2017 7:29 pm : link
A PIA for this franciise
OBJ has some off-field stuff  
Cenotaph : 3/20/2017 7:30 pm : link
And it's definitely a shitty move if he agreed to show up to an event like this (and got paid), but backed out last minute. But he might have a reasonable excuse, let's wait and see. If not, a shitty thing to do, but not on the same level as some of the off-field stuff you see. Beckham's issues at least seem to be more the 'young & dumb' type than the criminal or drug or violence types that really speak to a player's character...but not everyone is going to be Eli to the media.
RE: Ever think something last minute came up in beckhams personal life  
Emil : 3/20/2017 7:41 pm : link
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ever happen to any of you?


Could very well be the case. And even though many of us fans think we have a right to know, we actually don't. We may never know exactly why he canceled and we are not entitled to. Only his employer has a right to know.

I'm in total agreement that OBJ has lost the benefit of the doubt, but lets put this in some perspective and realize we all lack context.
RE: BigBlueBreakfast I was there  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/20/2017 7:44 pm : link
In comment 13400631 dlgiants said:
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I was at the Breakfast on Sunday
Yea - Beckham cancelled but we got notified a couple of days before the event (Friday night? ) via email which was no big deal for me because it was noted from the start that Beckham would not being part of the autograph session at the end of the show and I was not going to pay the $599.00 for the VIP ticket so I could "meet and greet OBJ and Collins"
Francesa, showed up in the main area walking onto the stage waving at people like he was the Mayor of NY and when it was his time, talked for about 10 minutes off of some written notes about each player that showed up. I no longer have any use for Francesa - thank God for satellite radio

Beckham does have a lot of maturing to do - fast - but he may have a valid excuse for missing the breakfast

Beckham shows up before games and signs for everyone every home Sunday game He does have appreciation for the fan base

Landon Collins left right before they broke up for autographs - he walked - almost ran - straight out of the Hotel We were told he had to catch a flight at the airport

I have been going to these events for 10+ years (they did not have the breakfast for the past 4 years) and they have always been Hectic and the players announced are rarely the players who show up


Thanks for the information.
Unless, I'm missing something  
David in LA : 3/20/2017 7:46 pm : link
what is this "off field" stuff that he's done in the past, that everyone seems to be mentioning that cost him the benefit of the doubt? Has there been other events where he just said "fuck it, I'm not going."?
People really like to bitch about Beckham  
Deej : 3/20/2017 8:03 pm : link
Guy plays his ass off and cares about winning so much it drives him nuts. I wish we had 53 OBJs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I dont care what the guy does off of the field...  
EricJ : 3/20/2017 8:05 pm : link
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At what point do people have some responsibility here? Maybe the problem is the people are the ones that stick their noses into the lives of 20 year old kids and come away confused and angry that 20 somethings act like 20 somethings. If he puts his life on twitter, that's one thing. It's quite another to decide to care about it.

Maybe it's the people's fault for gobbling up twitter gossip and sports radio and reacting to things irrationally venomously. Sports fans make these guys way more important than they really are, then get shocked that a stranger doesn't meet their idealized impression of them.


I understand your point but this is the world we live in right now. He and his mother and agent have to understand that. This is no different than preparing for an opponent on the field. You understand what you are dealing with and you adjust do that you can defeat your opponent. The same with dealing with the public and the media. You just don't give them something to talk about. There are a thousand other guys in the NFL who apparently don't have this problem. So, it is not just because he is a young guy, etc. Why is it that other players are not getting caught up in this stuff? Did someone put a gun to his head to tweet a picture of himself and the rest of the NYG WRs on a yacht in FL with Beiber? No, he did that. Reporters were not following him.
RE: RE: Here's the audio  
Deej : 3/20/2017 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13400296 nygiants16 said:
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Saturday night cancellation according to Francesa,Out of 700 Giants fans,30 cancelled. Francesa - ( New Window )



so he is lying since an email was sent out friday


The Giants need to protect their player here and demand an apology from WFAN and Francesa.
Giants fans can be a strange lot.  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/20/2017 8:14 pm : link
So quick to shit all over their own guys. To the point where it almost feels like they relish the opportunity to do so.

Don't appreciate Beckham

Don't appreciate JPP.

Don't appreciate Eli.

None of those three are players you easily replace.

...and Francesca is a loudmouthed fat jackass that loves to stir the pot.
RE: People really like to bitch about Beckham  
nygiants16 : 3/20/2017 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13400680 Deej said:
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Guy plays his ass off and cares about winning so much it drives him nuts. I wish we had 53 OBJs.


but he punched a hole in a wall, we mist trade him...

he dances to much we must trade him..

he listens to rap music we must trade him..

his hair is blonde we must trade him...

he is making money from endorsements and being on tv and going to clubs, we must trade him...

he was on a boat in miami, we must trade him...

teammates say he is the hardest worker on the team, bbi says it cant be true because he is a cancer who is lazy and only cares about himself and nobody else
RE: unless he had some real problem or family issue if course, but if  
batman11 : 3/20/2017 8:42 pm : link
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thats the case he should at least notify the organizers or have the Giants do it.


Maybe he was with Derrick Rose. Another unprofessional idiot!
Don't sugar coat this for OBJ  
Matt M. : 3/20/2017 8:54 pm : link
This is not a good thing. Not only was he paid in advance, but he was part of a VIP package that fans had to pay extra for just to get his autograph. What do you tell all the people that paid extra for those tickets?
RE: Don't sugar coat this for OBJ  
David in LA : 3/20/2017 9:02 pm : link
In comment 13400730 Matt M. said:
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This is not a good thing. Not only was he paid in advance, but he was part of a VIP package that fans had to pay extra for just to get his autograph. What do you tell all the people that paid extra for those tickets?


Easy. We will give you a full refund.
He should live up to an obligation  
micky : 3/20/2017 9:55 pm : link
Unless something legit (like an emergency, family issue, etc) then no excuse. He had plenty of time to give cancellation notice nor signed up to be on hand.

Seems like this isn't a first for him in doing something like this. Bad image
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I dont care what the guy does off of the field...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2017 10:04 pm : link
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At what point do people have some responsibility here? Maybe the problem is the people are the ones that stick their noses into the lives of 20 year old kids and come away confused and angry that 20 somethings act like 20 somethings. If he puts his life on twitter, that's one thing. It's quite another to decide to care about it.

Maybe it's the people's fault for gobbling up twitter gossip and sports radio and reacting to things irrationally venomously. Sports fans make these guys way more important than they really are, then get shocked that a stranger doesn't meet their idealized impression of them.



I understand your point but this is the world we live in right now. He and his mother and agent have to understand that. This is no different than preparing for an opponent on the field. You understand what you are dealing with and you adjust do that you can defeat your opponent. The same with dealing with the public and the media. You just don't give them something to talk about. There are a thousand other guys in the NFL who apparently don't have this problem. So, it is not just because he is a young guy, etc. Why is it that other players are not getting caught up in this stuff? Did someone put a gun to his head to tweet a picture of himself and the rest of the NYG WRs on a yacht in FL with Beiber? No, he did that. Reporters were not following him.
other players do things we'd find objectionable, but we don't care what less famous players do. It's only the ones we put on a pedestal that we get upset about. It's not like anyone puts a gun to our heads and forces us to moralize and shake fists. "Don't do anything for us to talk about, because we can't help ourselves and we'll lose our minds and spit venom and judgement at you like you owe us something." Its not a good look.
RE: By itself  
micky : 3/20/2017 10:05 pm : link
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this isn't a big deal. Add this in to everything else he's been doing...there could be something brewing here that NYG won't want to deal with.

I hope I am wrong...I really do.


yes..and when it comes to re upping his contract..these kind of things along with other things taken in consideration..might give enough to Giants to give second thought..JS
...  
christian : 3/20/2017 10:15 pm : link
Being bad for the team and being inconsiderate aren't the same.
RE: Yea I'm sure  
Bramton1 : 3/20/2017 11:17 pm : link
In comment 13400124 Chris684 said:
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that's the reason why!

Francesa only has the team's franchise QB on every week and just about any other member of the Giants organization he wants on any time from the owner on down.

Yep, he's just mad he can't get Beckham on there.


Francesa is known to hold a grudge. Didn't he bar Shockey from his show after the tight end canceled a weekly appearance because he had to pick up his mother from the airport?
RE: RE: By itself  
Bramton1 : 3/20/2017 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13400832 micky said:
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this isn't a big deal. Add this in to everything else he's been doing...there could be something brewing here that NYG won't want to deal with.

I hope I am wrong...I really do.



yes..and when it comes to re upping his contract..these kind of things along with other things taken in consideration..might give enough to Giants to give second thought..JS


Yeah, I'm sure when it's time to talk contract, the Giants will say "You've been our best player every year since you were drafted, but you keep canceling your public appearances last minute. So why don't you go and sign with the Cowboys or something?"
Do you what  
uconngiant : 3/21/2017 1:03 am : link
You say you're going to do, especially if you make a commitment to be there. Maturity is something OBJ needs to work on
He's got priorities  
feelflows : 3/21/2017 7:03 am : link
http://pagesix.com/2017/03/18/stars-flock-to-la-opening-of-tao/

Why fulfill a commitment with fans when you could be hanging with celebs??

RE: RE: RE: By itself  
micky : 3/21/2017 7:13 am : link
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this isn't a big deal. Add this in to everything else he's been doing...there could be something brewing here that NYG won't want to deal with.

I hope I am wrong...I really do.



yes..and when it comes to re upping his contract..these kind of things along with other things taken in consideration..might give enough to Giants to give second thought..JS



Yeah, I'm sure when it's time to talk contract, the Giants will say "You've been our best player every year since you were drafted, but you keep canceling your public appearances last minute. So why don't you go and sign with the Cowboys or something?"


Remember I'm sure they take everything in "as a whole"..js.. you and seem not understanding in my post..
If this was Dez Bryant, Desean Jackson, or  
jlukes : 3/21/2017 7:59 am : link
Josh Norman, we would all be killing them.

Beckham is an ass for pulling a now show
But this is  
feelflows : 3/21/2017 8:10 am : link
TAO Los Angeles! A grand OPENING. He's waited his whole life to go to that. Have a heart!!!!
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Overseer : 3/21/2017 8:18 am : link
In comment 13400701 nygiants16 said:
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Guy plays his ass off and cares about winning so much it drives him nuts. I wish we had 53 OBJs.

but he punched a hole in a wall, we mist trade him...

he dances to much we must trade him..

he listens to rap music we must trade him..

his hair is blonde we must trade him...

he is making money from endorsements and being on tv and going to clubs, we must trade him...

he was on a boat in miami, we must trade him...

teammates say he is the hardest worker on the team, bbi says it cant be true because he is a cancer who is lazy and only cares about himself and nobody else

Can you provide a quote or a reference to someone referring to Beckham as "lazy"?

Moreover, consider less each individual incident (for which, with the exception of spearing Josh Norman's head, I agree excessive opprobrium is unwarranted) and recognize the overall body of work.

Certainly not time to trade him (unless the offer was bonkers - multiple 1st/2nds) but if you can't admit there are at least some mild warning signs, then we'll never not talk past each other.

Again, please provide reference to someone referring to him as ""lazy".
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nygiants16 : 3/21/2017 8:30 am : link
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Guy plays his ass off and cares about winning so much it drives him nuts. I wish we had 53 OBJs.

but he punched a hole in a wall, we mist trade him...

he dances to much we must trade him..

he listens to rap music we must trade him..

his hair is blonde we must trade him...

he is making money from endorsements and being on tv and going to clubs, we must trade him...

he was on a boat in miami, we must trade him...

teammates say he is the hardest worker on the team, bbi says it cant be true because he is a cancer who is lazy and only cares about himself and nobody else


Can you provide a quote or a reference to someone referring to Beckham as "lazy"?

Moreover, consider less each individual incident (for which, with the exception of spearing Josh Norman's head, I agree excessive opprobrium is unwarranted) and recognize the overall body of work.

Certainly not time to trade him (unless the offer was bonkers - multiple 1st/2nds) but if you can't admit there are at least some mild warning signs, then we'll never not talk past each other.

Again, please provide reference to someone referring to him as ""lazy".


just look at this thread, there is somrone insinuating he doesnt work hard and ifnit was him he would be working hard at his craft 24/7...

Pauln said he doesnt work hard and is more worried about public persona..

and i agree the norman thing was a big black cloud that he still has not gotten over yet, but what has he done off the field that has been so bad?

arrested? nope

drug suspension? nope

failed drig tests? nope

if his worst thing is going to miami on his off day then i think most of it you can get over...

also everything he does is magnified, no matter what he does it is spun in the wrong direction..

at the pro bowl evwryone said how great he was with fans and the media, yet new yoek talking heads said who cares he did it for the cameras and it means nothing
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nygiants16 : 3/21/2017 8:31 am : link
In comment 13401024 Overseer said:
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Guy plays his ass off and cares about winning so much it drives him nuts. I wish we had 53 OBJs.

but he punched a hole in a wall, we mist trade him...

he dances to much we must trade him..

he listens to rap music we must trade him..

his hair is blonde we must trade him...

he is making money from endorsements and being on tv and going to clubs, we must trade him...

he was on a boat in miami, we must trade him...

teammates say he is the hardest worker on the team, bbi says it cant be true because he is a cancer who is lazy and only cares about himself and nobody else


Can you provide a quote or a reference to someone referring to Beckham as "lazy"?

Moreover, consider less each individual incident (for which, with the exception of spearing Josh Norman's head, I agree excessive opprobrium is unwarranted) and recognize the overall body of work.

Certainly not time to trade him (unless the offer was bonkers - multiple 1st/2nds) but if you can't admit there are at least some mild warning signs, then we'll never not talk past each other.

Again, please provide reference to someone referring to him as ""lazy".


just look at this thread, there is somrone insinuating he doesnt work hard and ifnit was him he would be working hard at his craft 24/7...

Pauln said he doesnt work hard and is more worried about public persona..

and i agree the norman thing was a big black cloud that he still has not gotten over yet, but what has he done off the field that has been so bad?

arrested? nope

drug suspension? nope

failed drig tests? nope

if his worst thing is going to miami on his off day then i think most of it you can get over...

also everything he does is magnified, no matter what he does it is spun in the wrong direction..

at the pro bowl evwryone said how great he was with fans and the media, yet new yoek talking heads said who cares he did it for the cameras and it means nothing
RE: RE: He should kill him for that.  
Beezer : 3/21/2017 8:32 am : link
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OBJ is a diva the Giants should trade.



Makes sense. Trade your best player for being an eccentric.


It's "eccentric" to fuck people over?

OK.
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nygiants16 : 3/21/2017 8:34 am : link
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OBJ is a diva the Giants should trade.



Makes sense. Trade your best player for being an eccentric.



It's "eccentric" to fuck people over?

OK.


fuck people over? fans were told 2 days in advance and they gotva full refund if they purchased the vip package...

someone who was there said landon collins badically ran out of the place after a couple of autographs...

The TAO opening in LA was Thursday night  
LedHeded : 3/21/2017 8:42 am : link
He canceled out of this Travel Agency's Breakfast Friday, emails were sent to those who bought the packages & full refunds were offered Friday.

The cancellation & refund offer was on the Travel Agency's site Saturday

And I am most certain that he the appearance fee was rescinded as I'm sure all that is covered on the appearance contract

From what I gathered, the Breakfast was enjoyed by the attendees with the exception of Francesa who was butt hurt & took it personally

I just don't see all the pearl clutching over this, it happens.

And yes I do agree that he has some growing up to do but when I was his age, I did not always make mature decisions.

All he owes me as a fan is his play on the field

And by all accounts he works/practices hard, his teammates like him & he's not a cancer in the locker room









RE: The TAO opening in LA was Thursday night  
UConn4523 : 3/21/2017 8:45 am : link
In comment 13401052 LedHeded said:
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He canceled out of this Travel Agency's Breakfast Friday, emails were sent to those who bought the packages & full refunds were offered Friday.

The cancellation & refund offer was on the Travel Agency's site Saturday

And I am most certain that he the appearance fee was rescinded as I'm sure all that is covered on the appearance contract

From what I gathered, the Breakfast was enjoyed by the attendees with the exception of Francesa who was butt hurt & took it personally

I just don't see all the pearl clutching over this, it happens.

And yes I do agree that he has some growing up to do but when I was his age, I did not always make mature decisions.

All he owes me as a fan is his play on the field

And by all accounts he works/practices hard, his teammates like him & he's not a cancer in the locker room










Thanks for posting. Seems that this was Mike being butthurt which was my original thought on the matter. I like Mike for what he is, but man, he will hold a grudge and take it to his deathbed.
Francesa tbinks he is the end all be all  
nygiants16 : 3/21/2017 9:16 am : link
so if someone refuses to give him an onterview that lerson becomes public enemy number 1 until that player apologizes to him and grants him an interview...

my guess beckham saw francesa was hosting and decided against going because he didnt want to give francesa the time of day, whoch is petty but i cant blame him...

if a guy is ripping me everday on the radio why am i gng to give him an interview?
What I can't tolerate with Francesa  
djm : 3/21/2017 10:33 am : link
is when he says the Giants just let Shockey do his own thing and didn't reign him in and now they are doing the same thing with BEckham. First off, he doesn't know wtf the Giants did or didn't do with Shockey and to sit here and say that Shockey didn't reach his potential based on the way he acted off the field is unfair. Shockey, like most TEs didn't dominate for ten years because he got banged up and took an absolute beating. That's a fact. Could Shockey have dedicated himself more to the game or his craft? Maybe, but from all accounts and visuals Shockey was always in ridiculous shape and condition. Ok he was a hot headed nut but he was never out of shape. And to now proclaim that the Giants are making the same mistakes with Beckham is just horseshit. Mike makes it seem like the Giants are where great talents go to underachieve. This isn't the 2009 Raiders. The Giants foster winning football. The evidence supports that. And really, what can the Giants do with Beckham? Mike is just butt hurt and blasting the Giants because it fits in to his agenda. It's misinformed crap. I like Mike but to take the Giants to task because Bechkham is an emotional diva WR is unfair. And to conjure up Shockey as evidence is even worse. What about all the great emotional players in NYG lore that the Giants nurtured? Should we ignore guys like Jacobs or Strahan or Armstead? Those guys were emotional fireplugs here. Giants did ok there.
what about Ahmad Brashaw  
djm : 3/21/2017 10:36 am : link
or Kerry COllins. Or Christian Peter. The list is practically endless of guys that came to the Giants with a dark cloud hanging over them or some shrouded concerns over them and they didn't nothing but flourish here. Mike can eat a dick. He's wrong on this one. If you're going to blast the org at least weigh the facts.
and like I said earlier  
djm : 3/21/2017 10:44 am : link
I do want to see Bechham display maturity just for the sake of posterity. At the very least you want your star players to be as good as possible off the field. It can't hurt. I am not absolving Beckham at all but it's unfair to kill the Giants. They can't control players off the field. They can only foster a stable and mature environment. I hate when Mike goes on these tangents and kills the Giants.
Mike showing he cares while at the table with food  
Vin R : 3/21/2017 11:17 am : link
RE: RE: Things that can be true at the same time:  
81_Great_Dane : 3/21/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13400467 therealmf said:
Quote:
You forgot this one.

Fans can over react to a player cancelling an appointment without knowing the reason why.
Yes I did! Also true.
Bahaha.. haha  
Route 9 : 3/21/2017 9:23 pm : link
Lol, this has the most posts on an active BBI thread?

Yeah, what the hell is a wrap up breakfast anyway? The name alone sounds lame enough to not want to attend. Don't tell anyone I tried to win free tickets on here. Francesa doesn't like him? Oh boy, my opinion is totally changed.
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