what is this "off field" stuff that he's done in the past, that everyone seems to be mentioning that cost him the benefit of the doubt? Has there been other events where he just said "fuck it, I'm not going."?
At what point do people have some responsibility here? Maybe the problem is the people are the ones that stick their noses into the lives of 20 year old kids and come away confused and angry that 20 somethings act like 20 somethings. If he puts his life on twitter, that's one thing. It's quite another to decide to care about it.
Maybe it's the people's fault for gobbling up twitter gossip and sports radio and reacting to things irrationally venomously. Sports fans make these guys way more important than they really are, then get shocked that a stranger doesn't meet their idealized impression of them.
I understand your point but this is the world we live in right now. He and his mother and agent have to understand that. This is no different than preparing for an opponent on the field. You understand what you are dealing with and you adjust do that you can defeat your opponent. The same with dealing with the public and the media. You just don't give them something to talk about. There are a thousand other guys in the NFL who apparently don't have this problem. So, it is not just because he is a young guy, etc. Why is it that other players are not getting caught up in this stuff? Did someone put a gun to his head to tweet a picture of himself and the rest of the NYG WRs on a yacht in FL with Beiber? No, he did that. Reporters were not following him.
Guy plays his ass off and cares about winning so much it drives him nuts. I wish we had 53 OBJs.
but he punched a hole in a wall, we mist trade him...
he dances to much we must trade him..
he listens to rap music we must trade him..
his hair is blonde we must trade him...
he is making money from endorsements and being on tv and going to clubs, we must trade him...
he was on a boat in miami, we must trade him...
teammates say he is the hardest worker on the team, bbi says it cant be true because he is a cancer who is lazy and only cares about himself and nobody else
RE: unless he had some real problem or family issue if course, but if
This is not a good thing. Not only was he paid in advance, but he was part of a VIP package that fans had to pay extra for just to get his autograph. What do you tell all the people that paid extra for those tickets?
This is not a good thing. Not only was he paid in advance, but he was part of a VIP package that fans had to pay extra for just to get his autograph. What do you tell all the people that paid extra for those tickets?
Unless something legit (like an emergency, family issue, etc) then no excuse. He had plenty of time to give cancellation notice nor signed up to be on hand.
Seems like this isn't a first for him in doing something like this. Bad image
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I dont care what the guy does off of the field...
At what point do people have some responsibility here? Maybe the problem is the people are the ones that stick their noses into the lives of 20 year old kids and come away confused and angry that 20 somethings act like 20 somethings. If he puts his life on twitter, that's one thing. It's quite another to decide to care about it.
Maybe it's the people's fault for gobbling up twitter gossip and sports radio and reacting to things irrationally venomously. Sports fans make these guys way more important than they really are, then get shocked that a stranger doesn't meet their idealized impression of them.
I understand your point but this is the world we live in right now. He and his mother and agent have to understand that. This is no different than preparing for an opponent on the field. You understand what you are dealing with and you adjust do that you can defeat your opponent. The same with dealing with the public and the media. You just don't give them something to talk about. There are a thousand other guys in the NFL who apparently don't have this problem. So, it is not just because he is a young guy, etc. Why is it that other players are not getting caught up in this stuff? Did someone put a gun to his head to tweet a picture of himself and the rest of the NYG WRs on a yacht in FL with Beiber? No, he did that. Reporters were not following him.
other players do things we'd find objectionable, but we don't care what less famous players do. It's only the ones we put on a pedestal that we get upset about. It's not like anyone puts a gun to our heads and forces us to moralize and shake fists. "Don't do anything for us to talk about, because we can't help ourselves and we'll lose our minds and spit venom and judgement at you like you owe us something." Its not a good look.
this isn't a big deal. Add this in to everything else he's been doing...there could be something brewing here that NYG won't want to deal with.
I hope I am wrong...I really do.
yes..and when it comes to re upping his contract..these kind of things along with other things taken in consideration..might give enough to Giants to give second thought..JS
Francesa only has the team's franchise QB on every week and just about any other member of the Giants organization he wants on any time from the owner on down.
Yep, he's just mad he can't get Beckham on there.
Francesa is known to hold a grudge. Didn't he bar Shockey from his show after the tight end canceled a weekly appearance because he had to pick up his mother from the airport?
this isn't a big deal. Add this in to everything else he's been doing...there could be something brewing here that NYG won't want to deal with.
I hope I am wrong...I really do.
yes..and when it comes to re upping his contract..these kind of things along with other things taken in consideration..might give enough to Giants to give second thought..JS
Yeah, I'm sure when it's time to talk contract, the Giants will say "You've been our best player every year since you were drafted, but you keep canceling your public appearances last minute. So why don't you go and sign with the Cowboys or something?"
this isn't a big deal. Add this in to everything else he's been doing...there could be something brewing here that NYG won't want to deal with.
I hope I am wrong...I really do.
yes..and when it comes to re upping his contract..these kind of things along with other things taken in consideration..might give enough to Giants to give second thought..JS
Yeah, I'm sure when it's time to talk contract, the Giants will say "You've been our best player every year since you were drafted, but you keep canceling your public appearances last minute. So why don't you go and sign with the Cowboys or something?"
Remember I'm sure they take everything in "as a whole"..js.. you and seem not understanding in my post..
In comment 13400680 Deej said:
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Guy plays his ass off and cares about winning so much it drives him nuts. I wish we had 53 OBJs.
but he punched a hole in a wall, we mist trade him...
he dances to much we must trade him..
he listens to rap music we must trade him..
his hair is blonde we must trade him...
he is making money from endorsements and being on tv and going to clubs, we must trade him...
he was on a boat in miami, we must trade him...
teammates say he is the hardest worker on the team, bbi says it cant be true because he is a cancer who is lazy and only cares about himself and nobody else
Can you provide a quote or a reference to someone referring to Beckham as "lazy"?
Moreover, consider less each individual incident (for which, with the exception of spearing Josh Norman's head, I agree excessive opprobrium is unwarranted) and recognize the overall body of work.
Certainly not time to trade him (unless the offer was bonkers - multiple 1st/2nds) but if you can't admit there are at least some mild warning signs, then we'll never not talk past each other.
Again, please provide reference to someone referring to him as ""lazy".
In comment 13400680 Deej said:
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Guy plays his ass off and cares about winning so much it drives him nuts. I wish we had 53 OBJs.
but he punched a hole in a wall, we mist trade him...
he dances to much we must trade him..
he listens to rap music we must trade him..
his hair is blonde we must trade him...
he is making money from endorsements and being on tv and going to clubs, we must trade him...
he was on a boat in miami, we must trade him...
teammates say he is the hardest worker on the team, bbi says it cant be true because he is a cancer who is lazy and only cares about himself and nobody else
Can you provide a quote or a reference to someone referring to Beckham as "lazy"?
Moreover, consider less each individual incident (for which, with the exception of spearing Josh Norman's head, I agree excessive opprobrium is unwarranted) and recognize the overall body of work.
Certainly not time to trade him (unless the offer was bonkers - multiple 1st/2nds) but if you can't admit there are at least some mild warning signs, then we'll never not talk past each other.
Again, please provide reference to someone referring to him as ""lazy".
just look at this thread, there is somrone insinuating he doesnt work hard and ifnit was him he would be working hard at his craft 24/7...
Pauln said he doesnt work hard and is more worried about public persona..
and i agree the norman thing was a big black cloud that he still has not gotten over yet, but what has he done off the field that has been so bad?
arrested? nope
drug suspension? nope
failed drig tests? nope
if his worst thing is going to miami on his off day then i think most of it you can get over...
also everything he does is magnified, no matter what he does it is spun in the wrong direction..
at the pro bowl evwryone said how great he was with fans and the media, yet new yoek talking heads said who cares he did it for the cameras and it means nothing
In comment 13400680 Deej said:
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Guy plays his ass off and cares about winning so much it drives him nuts. I wish we had 53 OBJs.
but he punched a hole in a wall, we mist trade him...
he dances to much we must trade him..
he listens to rap music we must trade him..
his hair is blonde we must trade him...
he is making money from endorsements and being on tv and going to clubs, we must trade him...
he was on a boat in miami, we must trade him...
teammates say he is the hardest worker on the team, bbi says it cant be true because he is a cancer who is lazy and only cares about himself and nobody else
Can you provide a quote or a reference to someone referring to Beckham as "lazy"?
Moreover, consider less each individual incident (for which, with the exception of spearing Josh Norman's head, I agree excessive opprobrium is unwarranted) and recognize the overall body of work.
Certainly not time to trade him (unless the offer was bonkers - multiple 1st/2nds) but if you can't admit there are at least some mild warning signs, then we'll never not talk past each other.
Again, please provide reference to someone referring to him as ""lazy".
just look at this thread, there is somrone insinuating he doesnt work hard and ifnit was him he would be working hard at his craft 24/7...
Pauln said he doesnt work hard and is more worried about public persona..
and i agree the norman thing was a big black cloud that he still has not gotten over yet, but what has he done off the field that has been so bad?
arrested? nope
drug suspension? nope
failed drig tests? nope
if his worst thing is going to miami on his off day then i think most of it you can get over...
also everything he does is magnified, no matter what he does it is spun in the wrong direction..
at the pro bowl evwryone said how great he was with fans and the media, yet new yoek talking heads said who cares he did it for the cameras and it means nothing
He canceled out of this Travel Agency's Breakfast Friday, emails were sent to those who bought the packages & full refunds were offered Friday.
The cancellation & refund offer was on the Travel Agency's site Saturday
And I am most certain that he the appearance fee was rescinded as I'm sure all that is covered on the appearance contract
From what I gathered, the Breakfast was enjoyed by the attendees with the exception of Francesa who was butt hurt & took it personally
I just don't see all the pearl clutching over this, it happens.
And yes I do agree that he has some growing up to do but when I was his age, I did not always make mature decisions.
All he owes me as a fan is his play on the field
And by all accounts he works/practices hard, his teammates like him & he's not a cancer in the locker room
Thanks for posting. Seems that this was Mike being butthurt which was my original thought on the matter. I like Mike for what he is, but man, he will hold a grudge and take it to his deathbed.
so if someone refuses to give him an onterview that lerson becomes public enemy number 1 until that player apologizes to him and grants him an interview...
my guess beckham saw francesa was hosting and decided against going because he didnt want to give francesa the time of day, whoch is petty but i cant blame him...
if a guy is ripping me everday on the radio why am i gng to give him an interview?
is when he says the Giants just let Shockey do his own thing and didn't reign him in and now they are doing the same thing with BEckham. First off, he doesn't know wtf the Giants did or didn't do with Shockey and to sit here and say that Shockey didn't reach his potential based on the way he acted off the field is unfair. Shockey, like most TEs didn't dominate for ten years because he got banged up and took an absolute beating. That's a fact. Could Shockey have dedicated himself more to the game or his craft? Maybe, but from all accounts and visuals Shockey was always in ridiculous shape and condition. Ok he was a hot headed nut but he was never out of shape. And to now proclaim that the Giants are making the same mistakes with Beckham is just horseshit. Mike makes it seem like the Giants are where great talents go to underachieve. This isn't the 2009 Raiders. The Giants foster winning football. The evidence supports that. And really, what can the Giants do with Beckham? Mike is just butt hurt and blasting the Giants because it fits in to his agenda. It's misinformed crap. I like Mike but to take the Giants to task because Bechkham is an emotional diva WR is unfair. And to conjure up Shockey as evidence is even worse. What about all the great emotional players in NYG lore that the Giants nurtured? Should we ignore guys like Jacobs or Strahan or Armstead? Those guys were emotional fireplugs here. Giants did ok there.
or Kerry COllins. Or Christian Peter. The list is practically endless of guys that came to the Giants with a dark cloud hanging over them or some shrouded concerns over them and they didn't nothing but flourish here. Mike can eat a dick. He's wrong on this one. If you're going to blast the org at least weigh the facts.
I do want to see Bechham display maturity just for the sake of posterity. At the very least you want your star players to be as good as possible off the field. It can't hurt. I am not absolving Beckham at all but it's unfair to kill the Giants. They can't control players off the field. They can only foster a stable and mature environment. I hate when Mike goes on these tangents and kills the Giants.
Mike showing he cares while at the table with food
Lol, this has the most posts on an active BBI thread?
Yeah, what the hell is a wrap up breakfast anyway? The name alone sounds lame enough to not want to attend. Don't tell anyone I tried to win free tickets on here. Francesa doesn't like him? Oh boy, my opinion is totally changed.
At what point do people have some responsibility here? Maybe the problem is the people are the ones that stick their noses into the lives of 20 year old kids and come away confused and angry that 20 somethings act like 20 somethings. If he puts his life on twitter, that's one thing. It's quite another to decide to care about it.
Maybe it's the people's fault for gobbling up twitter gossip and sports radio and reacting to things irrationally venomously. Sports fans make these guys way more important than they really are, then get shocked that a stranger doesn't meet their idealized impression of them.
I understand your point but this is the world we live in right now. He and his mother and agent have to understand that. This is no different than preparing for an opponent on the field. You understand what you are dealing with and you adjust do that you can defeat your opponent. The same with dealing with the public and the media. You just don't give them something to talk about. There are a thousand other guys in the NFL who apparently don't have this problem. So, it is not just because he is a young guy, etc. Why is it that other players are not getting caught up in this stuff? Did someone put a gun to his head to tweet a picture of himself and the rest of the NYG WRs on a yacht in FL with Beiber? No, he did that. Reporters were not following him.
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Saturday night cancellation according to Francesa,Out of 700 Giants fans,30 cancelled. Francesa - ( New Window )
so he is lying since an email was sent out friday
The Giants need to protect their player here and demand an apology from WFAN and Francesa.
Don't appreciate Beckham
Don't appreciate JPP.
Don't appreciate Eli.
None of those three are players you easily replace.
...and Francesca is a loudmouthed fat jackass that loves to stir the pot.
but he punched a hole in a wall, we mist trade him...
he dances to much we must trade him..
he listens to rap music we must trade him..
his hair is blonde we must trade him...
he is making money from endorsements and being on tv and going to clubs, we must trade him...
he was on a boat in miami, we must trade him...
teammates say he is the hardest worker on the team, bbi says it cant be true because he is a cancer who is lazy and only cares about himself and nobody else
Maybe he was with Derrick Rose. Another unprofessional idiot!
Easy. We will give you a full refund.
Seems like this isn't a first for him in doing something like this. Bad image
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At what point do people have some responsibility here? Maybe the problem is the people are the ones that stick their noses into the lives of 20 year old kids and come away confused and angry that 20 somethings act like 20 somethings. If he puts his life on twitter, that's one thing. It's quite another to decide to care about it.
Maybe it's the people's fault for gobbling up twitter gossip and sports radio and reacting to things irrationally venomously. Sports fans make these guys way more important than they really are, then get shocked that a stranger doesn't meet their idealized impression of them.
I understand your point but this is the world we live in right now. He and his mother and agent have to understand that. This is no different than preparing for an opponent on the field. You understand what you are dealing with and you adjust do that you can defeat your opponent. The same with dealing with the public and the media. You just don't give them something to talk about. There are a thousand other guys in the NFL who apparently don't have this problem. So, it is not just because he is a young guy, etc. Why is it that other players are not getting caught up in this stuff? Did someone put a gun to his head to tweet a picture of himself and the rest of the NYG WRs on a yacht in FL with Beiber? No, he did that. Reporters were not following him.
I hope I am wrong...I really do.
yes..and when it comes to re upping his contract..these kind of things along with other things taken in consideration..might give enough to Giants to give second thought..JS
Francesa only has the team's franchise QB on every week and just about any other member of the Giants organization he wants on any time from the owner on down.
Yep, he's just mad he can't get Beckham on there.
Francesa is known to hold a grudge. Didn't he bar Shockey from his show after the tight end canceled a weekly appearance because he had to pick up his mother from the airport?
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this isn't a big deal. Add this in to everything else he's been doing...there could be something brewing here that NYG won't want to deal with.
I hope I am wrong...I really do.
yes..and when it comes to re upping his contract..these kind of things along with other things taken in consideration..might give enough to Giants to give second thought..JS
Yeah, I'm sure when it's time to talk contract, the Giants will say "You've been our best player every year since you were drafted, but you keep canceling your public appearances last minute. So why don't you go and sign with the Cowboys or something?"
Why fulfill a commitment with fans when you could be hanging with celebs??
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In comment 13400176 Sy'56 said:
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this isn't a big deal. Add this in to everything else he's been doing...there could be something brewing here that NYG won't want to deal with.
I hope I am wrong...I really do.
yes..and when it comes to re upping his contract..these kind of things along with other things taken in consideration..might give enough to Giants to give second thought..JS
Yeah, I'm sure when it's time to talk contract, the Giants will say "You've been our best player every year since you were drafted, but you keep canceling your public appearances last minute. So why don't you go and sign with the Cowboys or something?"
Remember I'm sure they take everything in "as a whole"..js.. you and seem not understanding in my post..
Beckham is an ass for pulling a now show
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Guy plays his ass off and cares about winning so much it drives him nuts. I wish we had 53 OBJs.
but he punched a hole in a wall, we mist trade him...
he dances to much we must trade him..
he listens to rap music we must trade him..
his hair is blonde we must trade him...
he is making money from endorsements and being on tv and going to clubs, we must trade him...
he was on a boat in miami, we must trade him...
teammates say he is the hardest worker on the team, bbi says it cant be true because he is a cancer who is lazy and only cares about himself and nobody else
Can you provide a quote or a reference to someone referring to Beckham as "lazy"?
Moreover, consider less each individual incident (for which, with the exception of spearing Josh Norman's head, I agree excessive opprobrium is unwarranted) and recognize the overall body of work.
Certainly not time to trade him (unless the offer was bonkers - multiple 1st/2nds) but if you can't admit there are at least some mild warning signs, then we'll never not talk past each other.
Again, please provide reference to someone referring to him as ""lazy".
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In comment 13400680 Deej said:
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Guy plays his ass off and cares about winning so much it drives him nuts. I wish we had 53 OBJs.
but he punched a hole in a wall, we mist trade him...
he dances to much we must trade him..
he listens to rap music we must trade him..
his hair is blonde we must trade him...
he is making money from endorsements and being on tv and going to clubs, we must trade him...
he was on a boat in miami, we must trade him...
teammates say he is the hardest worker on the team, bbi says it cant be true because he is a cancer who is lazy and only cares about himself and nobody else
Can you provide a quote or a reference to someone referring to Beckham as "lazy"?
Moreover, consider less each individual incident (for which, with the exception of spearing Josh Norman's head, I agree excessive opprobrium is unwarranted) and recognize the overall body of work.
Certainly not time to trade him (unless the offer was bonkers - multiple 1st/2nds) but if you can't admit there are at least some mild warning signs, then we'll never not talk past each other.
Again, please provide reference to someone referring to him as ""lazy".
just look at this thread, there is somrone insinuating he doesnt work hard and ifnit was him he would be working hard at his craft 24/7...
Pauln said he doesnt work hard and is more worried about public persona..
and i agree the norman thing was a big black cloud that he still has not gotten over yet, but what has he done off the field that has been so bad?
arrested? nope
drug suspension? nope
failed drig tests? nope
if his worst thing is going to miami on his off day then i think most of it you can get over...
also everything he does is magnified, no matter what he does it is spun in the wrong direction..
at the pro bowl evwryone said how great he was with fans and the media, yet new yoek talking heads said who cares he did it for the cameras and it means nothing
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In comment 13400680 Deej said:
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Guy plays his ass off and cares about winning so much it drives him nuts. I wish we had 53 OBJs.
but he punched a hole in a wall, we mist trade him...
he dances to much we must trade him..
he listens to rap music we must trade him..
his hair is blonde we must trade him...
he is making money from endorsements and being on tv and going to clubs, we must trade him...
he was on a boat in miami, we must trade him...
teammates say he is the hardest worker on the team, bbi says it cant be true because he is a cancer who is lazy and only cares about himself and nobody else
Can you provide a quote or a reference to someone referring to Beckham as "lazy"?
Moreover, consider less each individual incident (for which, with the exception of spearing Josh Norman's head, I agree excessive opprobrium is unwarranted) and recognize the overall body of work.
Certainly not time to trade him (unless the offer was bonkers - multiple 1st/2nds) but if you can't admit there are at least some mild warning signs, then we'll never not talk past each other.
Again, please provide reference to someone referring to him as ""lazy".
just look at this thread, there is somrone insinuating he doesnt work hard and ifnit was him he would be working hard at his craft 24/7...
Pauln said he doesnt work hard and is more worried about public persona..
and i agree the norman thing was a big black cloud that he still has not gotten over yet, but what has he done off the field that has been so bad?
arrested? nope
drug suspension? nope
failed drig tests? nope
if his worst thing is going to miami on his off day then i think most of it you can get over...
also everything he does is magnified, no matter what he does it is spun in the wrong direction..
at the pro bowl evwryone said how great he was with fans and the media, yet new yoek talking heads said who cares he did it for the cameras and it means nothing
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OBJ is a diva the Giants should trade.
Makes sense. Trade your best player for being an eccentric.
It's "eccentric" to fuck people over?
OK.
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OBJ is a diva the Giants should trade.
Makes sense. Trade your best player for being an eccentric.
It's "eccentric" to fuck people over?
OK.
fuck people over? fans were told 2 days in advance and they gotva full refund if they purchased the vip package...
someone who was there said landon collins badically ran out of the place after a couple of autographs...
The cancellation & refund offer was on the Travel Agency's site Saturday
And I am most certain that he the appearance fee was rescinded as I'm sure all that is covered on the appearance contract
From what I gathered, the Breakfast was enjoyed by the attendees with the exception of Francesa who was butt hurt & took it personally
I just don't see all the pearl clutching over this, it happens.
And yes I do agree that he has some growing up to do but when I was his age, I did not always make mature decisions.
All he owes me as a fan is his play on the field
And by all accounts he works/practices hard, his teammates like him & he's not a cancer in the locker room
The cancellation & refund offer was on the Travel Agency's site Saturday
And I am most certain that he the appearance fee was rescinded as I'm sure all that is covered on the appearance contract
From what I gathered, the Breakfast was enjoyed by the attendees with the exception of Francesa who was butt hurt & took it personally
I just don't see all the pearl clutching over this, it happens.
And yes I do agree that he has some growing up to do but when I was his age, I did not always make mature decisions.
All he owes me as a fan is his play on the field
And by all accounts he works/practices hard, his teammates like him & he's not a cancer in the locker room
Thanks for posting. Seems that this was Mike being butthurt which was my original thought on the matter. I like Mike for what he is, but man, he will hold a grudge and take it to his deathbed.
my guess beckham saw francesa was hosting and decided against going because he didnt want to give francesa the time of day, whoch is petty but i cant blame him...
if a guy is ripping me everday on the radio why am i gng to give him an interview?
Fans can over react to a player cancelling an appointment without knowing the reason why.
Yeah, what the hell is a wrap up breakfast anyway? The name alone sounds lame enough to not want to attend. Don't tell anyone I tried to win free tickets on here. Francesa doesn't like him? Oh boy, my opinion is totally changed.