but seems a bit of a replacement level player. Can't really be looked at as a starter to replace Hankins. Have to figure they'd be looking at someone else as the starter.
but seems a bit of a replacement level player. Can't really be looked at as a starter to replace Hankins. Have to figure they'd be looking at someone else as the starter.
But Still, Thomas and Bromley, along with a DT in the draft without question... that would be replacing Hankins... can't see us signing both still and hankins
but seems a bit of a replacement level player. Can't really be looked at as a starter to replace Hankins. Have to figure they'd be looking at someone else as the starter.
But Still, Thomas and Bromley, along with a DT in the draft without question... that would be replacing Hankins... can't see us signing both still and hankins
Right. Thomas and Bromley + draft pick is what I was thinking too.
...I hope they follow Cincy's lead and donate sales of his jersey to pediatric cancer care/research. That's one overpriced shirt I would be proud to buy.
As a bench guy? Ok.
As a potential starter at RT? Yes. Yuk.
I like him at RG. Let him compete with Jerry for the starting job and allow Fluker and Hart to compete at RT. I remember this place when the Giants signed Shaun O'Hara. Everyone was criticizing the move because he wasn't even a full time starter on the lowly Browns.
26 years old. Last year was his first full healthy season.
Might be worth a try-and-see.
Here's something from a Browns blogger.
Then a funny thing happened – the season started. The Browns offensive line was built to run the football, which it did successfully. The Browns run game hit a 50-year high with a 4.89 yards per attempt, which ranked second overall in the league.
However, the pass protection was spotty. The reasons for poor pass protection were many, including that endless rotation of quarterbacks. The quarterbacks that did play often did not throw the ball on time, and would leave the pocket exposing them to sacks and unnecessary hits.
Beyond poor quarterback play was the play of Erving and right tackle Austin Pasztor.
Pasztor struggled all season against athletic defensive linemen who could convert speed to power. Initially he struggled with his sets and initial punch as he was transitioning from guard to tackle to start the season. He did figure out his technique and played well toward the end of the season.
However, it was clear by then that Pasztor was not a longterm solution at tackle and was transitioned back to guard for the final game.
To the credit of Pro Football Focus, they gave an accurate accounting of how the season went for the Browns offensive line. Here is what Pro Football Focus has to say in their post-season ranking:
No offensive line had to deal with as much in terms of the QBs they were blocking for than the Browns, who had rolled through six different passers in seven weeks to begin the season—none of whom demonstrated the kind of playing style that actually makes things easier on his linemen. Despite that, Joe Thomas had another excellent season at LT, and the guard pairing of Joel Bitonio and John Greco also played well. The issue on this line was Cameron Erving, the former first-round pick, playing center in his second season, having struggled massively at guard and tackle as a rookie. He was little, if any, better in the middle, surrendering 30 total QB pressures and being routinely abused as a run blocker. It’s difficult to see much of a future for Erving at this point, and his position is one in need of upgrade.
Moving forward the Browns need to identify a center, which maybe on the roster with Austin Reiter or Anthony Fabiano. Regardless, the Browns need to draft a natural center in the draft between the third and fifth rounds.
Unlike the beginning of the season, Pro Football Focus correctly identified the strengths and weaknesses of the Browns offensive line in their post-season analysis. Further, the Browns troubles as an offensive line would be greatly helped by drafting a quarterback who can adequately play within the pocket.
had a history of interest in the past several years with Canadian players. They currently have Brett Jones on the roster and I could see them adding another Canadian player with Pasztor.
The thought of having Fluker, Hart, Jerry and Pasztor battling for 2 spots on the right side makes sense.
If you think back to the past few years of preseason games, the Giants backup O-line has been nothing short of dreadful. At least with these 4, every one of them has a decent number of NFL starts under their belt.
however, part of the old saying goes, depth is great until you have to use it. I'm still hoping they can find an upgrade at OT somewhere. Get me an OT and a veteran running back and then they can go in any number of directions in the draft and take their shot at winning the whole damn thing this year.
This guy is 26, can supposedly play both guard and tackle, has a decent amount of NFL starting experience, and is still a FA in a league that is starved for offensive lineman to the point that guys like Reilly Reiff were signed to 50 million plus deals. Clearly he is not good, watch him against JPP last year. JPP is obviously a good player, but this is gotta be one of his top 5 games against... Pasztor. Not the guy we need protecting a 36 year old pocket QB. Let's not just sign guys for the sake of signing someone. A late round pick has more potential and is way cheaper than this guy. Link - ( New Window )
Who Still?
But Still, Thomas and Bromley, along with a DT in the draft without question... that would be replacing Hankins... can't see us signing both still and hankins
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but seems a bit of a replacement level player. Can't really be looked at as a starter to replace Hankins. Have to figure they'd be looking at someone else as the starter.
But Still, Thomas and Bromley, along with a DT in the draft without question... that would be replacing Hankins... can't see us signing both still and hankins
Right. Thomas and Bromley + draft pick is what I was thinking too.
As a bench guy? Ok.
As a potential starter at RT? Yes. Yuk.
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Yuk!
As a bench guy? Ok.
As a potential starter at RT? Yes. Yuk.
I like him at RG. Let him compete with Jerry for the starting job and allow Fluker and Hart to compete at RT. I remember this place when the Giants signed Shaun O'Hara. Everyone was criticizing the move because he wasn't even a full time starter on the lowly Browns.
Might be worth a try-and-see.
Here's something from a Browns blogger.
Then a funny thing happened – the season started. The Browns offensive line was built to run the football, which it did successfully. The Browns run game hit a 50-year high with a 4.89 yards per attempt, which ranked second overall in the league.
However, the pass protection was spotty. The reasons for poor pass protection were many, including that endless rotation of quarterbacks. The quarterbacks that did play often did not throw the ball on time, and would leave the pocket exposing them to sacks and unnecessary hits.
Beyond poor quarterback play was the play of Erving and right tackle Austin Pasztor.
Pasztor struggled all season against athletic defensive linemen who could convert speed to power. Initially he struggled with his sets and initial punch as he was transitioning from guard to tackle to start the season. He did figure out his technique and played well toward the end of the season.
However, it was clear by then that Pasztor was not a longterm solution at tackle and was transitioned back to guard for the final game.
To the credit of Pro Football Focus, they gave an accurate accounting of how the season went for the Browns offensive line. Here is what Pro Football Focus has to say in their post-season ranking:
No offensive line had to deal with as much in terms of the QBs they were blocking for than the Browns, who had rolled through six different passers in seven weeks to begin the season—none of whom demonstrated the kind of playing style that actually makes things easier on his linemen. Despite that, Joe Thomas had another excellent season at LT, and the guard pairing of Joel Bitonio and John Greco also played well. The issue on this line was Cameron Erving, the former first-round pick, playing center in his second season, having struggled massively at guard and tackle as a rookie. He was little, if any, better in the middle, surrendering 30 total QB pressures and being routinely abused as a run blocker. It’s difficult to see much of a future for Erving at this point, and his position is one in need of upgrade.
Moving forward the Browns need to identify a center, which maybe on the roster with Austin Reiter or Anthony Fabiano. Regardless, the Browns need to draft a natural center in the draft between the third and fifth rounds.
Unlike the beginning of the season, Pro Football Focus correctly identified the strengths and weaknesses of the Browns offensive line in their post-season analysis. Further, the Browns troubles as an offensive line would be greatly helped by drafting a quarterback who can adequately play within the pocket.
http://dawgpounddaily.com/2017/01/12/cleveland-browns-offensive-line-4/
The thought of having Fluker, Hart, Jerry and Pasztor battling for 2 spots on the right side makes sense.
If you think back to the past few years of preseason games, the Giants backup O-line has been nothing short of dreadful. At least with these 4, every one of them has a decent number of NFL starts under their belt.
I like the idea of more real competition.
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