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Giants re-sign Mark Herzlich

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/20/2017 5:11 pm
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Giants re-sign Mark Herzlich
Good Move!  
ZogZerg : 3/20/2017 5:12 pm : link
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Championship!  
Canton : 3/20/2017 5:12 pm : link
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Good  
adamg : 3/20/2017 5:13 pm : link
Looks decent on specials and better in the red zone...
Quality locker room guy, plays on most/all specials  
regulator : 3/20/2017 5:13 pm : link
and GL defense, probably on an economical (minimum) contract.

Fine by me, some continuity is good and he finally has settled into an ideal niche role, rather than being exposed as a sometime-starter and having to play in space as part of the base defense.
Ugh  
Torrag : 3/20/2017 5:16 pm : link
Not this shit again/
RE: Ugh  
dk in TX : 3/20/2017 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13400516 Torrag said:
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Not this shit again/


+1 😁😂
Unreal  
Rflairr : 3/20/2017 5:20 pm : link
How the fuck does this guy stay around
Rumor is he's boffing a Mara cousin or something...  
Torrag : 3/20/2017 5:20 pm : link
...and I believe it.
So basically he fucked his way to the top  
Canton : 3/20/2017 5:23 pm : link
Man whore
My layered reaction  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/20/2017 5:25 pm : link
If he plays specials, I love it.
If he has very minimal snaps on defense, I'm good with it.
If he has any substantial time with the defense... ugh.
RE: Unreal  
crick n NC : 3/20/2017 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13400525 Rflairr said:
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How the fuck does this guy stay around


You're right. It's not like teams need good special team players. You're quite opinionated about football, but seem to lack simple fundamental thinking of the game.
RE: RE: Unreal  
OdellBeckhamJr : 3/20/2017 5:28 pm : link
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How the fuck does this guy stay around



You're right. It's not like teams need good special team players. You're quite opinionated about football, but seem to lack simple fundamental thinking of the game.


There were 2 punt returns for TDs last season that were called back in thanks to Mark Herzlich.
Ring of Honor  
spike : 3/20/2017 5:31 pm : link
BC rep!
He def  
jamesmichaelworm : 3/20/2017 5:32 pm : link
Has pictures of Reese in compromising positions
Nobody can  
XBRONX : 3/20/2017 5:33 pm : link
say Reese is asleep at the wheel today. Herzlich,Geno and Valentino in one day. What a coup.
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crick n NC : 3/20/2017 5:33 pm : link
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How the fuck does this guy stay around



You're right. It's not like teams need good special team players. You're quite opinionated about football, but seem to lack simple fundamental thinking of the game.



There were 2 punt returns for TDs last season that were called back in thanks to Mark Herzlich.


Eli threw interceptions, DRC and Jenkins gave up plays at times etc, what is your point?

Because a player doesn't play perfect they aren't any good?

Are you debating that herzlich is not a good special teams player? What else do you have to support your case, other than some random penalties?
my reaction  
mphbullet36 : 3/20/2017 5:34 pm : link
Great player.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/20/2017 5:38 pm : link
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Hysterical  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2017 5:41 pm : link
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no disrespect to Herzlich  
Andy in Boston : 3/20/2017 5:42 pm : link
he's a warrior (Beating cancer) and has been a solid special teams player; but the love for him and Kerry Wynn is strange in my opinion. Both making over 1.5 million.
Cousin Mark is back!!!  
Bchurch : 3/20/2017 5:44 pm : link
he's like my 4th cousin on my dads side. He has no idea who I am!
very good specials player  
AnnapolisMike : 3/20/2017 5:52 pm : link
emergency LB depth. Gotta imagine there is a chance he will not even make the final roster.
He's also the back up long snapper.  
Red Dog : 3/20/2017 5:54 pm : link
I'm good with keeping him around as a special teamer and defensive reserve.
How is this team getting better????  
Goin Deep : 3/20/2017 5:55 pm : link
Aside from Brandon M. and possibly Ellison, Where is the improvement? We could very well lose Hankins and/or Robinson
Hope for a good draft.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Unreal  
OdellBeckhamJr : 3/20/2017 6:11 pm : link
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How the fuck does this guy stay around



You're right. It's not like teams need good special team players. You're quite opinionated about football, but seem to lack simple fundamental thinking of the game.



There were 2 punt returns for TDs last season that were called back in thanks to Mark Herzlich.



Eli threw interceptions, DRC and Jenkins gave up plays at times etc, what is your point?

Because a player doesn't play perfect they aren't any good?

Are you debating that herzlich is not a good special teams player? What else do you have to support your case, other than some random penalties?


He actually had a few other penalties, the ones I mentioned were his most egregious ones. He's also not even a decent backup at LBer. Why are you so defensive? Maybe you should go outside for a walk?
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AcidTest : 3/20/2017 6:19 pm : link
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How the fuck does this guy stay around



You're right. It's not like teams need good special team players. You're quite opinionated about football, but seem to lack simple fundamental thinking of the game.



There were 2 punt returns for TDs last season that were called back in thanks to Mark Herzlich.



Eli threw interceptions, DRC and Jenkins gave up plays at times etc, what is your point?

Because a player doesn't play perfect they aren't any good?

Are you debating that herzlich is not a good special teams player? What else do you have to support your case, other than some random penalties?



He actually had a few other penalties, the ones I mentioned were his most egregious ones. He's also not even a decent backup at LBer. Why are you so defensive? Maybe you should go outside for a walk?


Why are people getting so worked up? He's here for ST, assuming he even makes the team. I wouldn't be surprised if none of Herzlich, Geno, or Valentino are on the 53.

And I did just go for a walk. Fresh air would do some people here a lot of good.
RE: How is this team getting better????  
Klaatu : 3/20/2017 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13400587 Goin Deep said:
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Aside from Brandon M. and possibly Ellison, Where is the improvement? We could very well lose Hankins and/or Robinson
Hope for a good draft.


Just because Herzlich plays ST doesnt mean he is good at it  
est1986 : 3/20/2017 7:01 pm : link
It was time to move on a long time ago, this move is a suprise IMO.
He must have went to his coach's seminar...  
GloryDayz : 3/20/2017 7:07 pm : link
"How to suck & NEVER get fired", keynote speaker, Tom Quinn.
Glad he's back.  
BigBlue in Keys : 3/20/2017 7:08 pm : link
Besides good ST and depth the guy is a leader. Need a few guys like that to show the younger guys how it's done.
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Rflairr : 3/20/2017 7:51 pm : link
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How the fuck does this guy stay around



You're right. It's not like teams need good special team players. You're quite opinionated about football, but seem to lack simple fundamental thinking of the game.


Oh shut the hell up and open your eyes. The guy stinks. And he's average on special teams as well.
RE: RE: RE: Unreal  
David in LA : 3/20/2017 7:54 pm : link
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How the fuck does this guy stay around



You're right. It's not like teams need good special team players. You're quite opinionated about football, but seem to lack simple fundamental thinking of the game.



Oh shut the hell up and open your eyes. The guy stinks. And he's average on special teams as well.


He's a below average starter. Are you some sort of savant on special teams play? Herzlich is a guy that's become so overrated that he's actually now underrated.
I love and respect his story  
Matt M. : 3/20/2017 8:01 pm : link
But, at this point, it is ridiculous that they are re-signing him. A team with the hopes of contending and holes to fill does not have the luxury of keeping a guy like him any longer. There are other guys who can contribute on ST and play another position.
And please note that saying he shouldn't be re-signed  
Matt M. : 3/20/2017 8:04 pm : link
is not saying ST are not important and not a sign of misunderstanding the need for ST. They now have Harris who is essentially being retained for a few downed punts even though he was less than mediocre on both KR and PR and made rookie mistakes in his decisions and now Herzlich who is a good ST coverage guy. Neither is particularly good at their actual roster position and this is a team with other needs. These are valuable roster spots right now.
RE: How is this team getting better????  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/20/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13400587 Goin Deep said:
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Aside from Brandon M. and possibly Ellison, Where is the improvement? We could very well lose Hankins and/or Robinson
Hope for a good draft.


Aside from Marshall and Ellison? You mean the two guys that filled glaring holes on the offense?

Aside from that?

Yeah, I guess aside from that they didn't improve anything.
LOL..  
arcarsenal : 3/20/2017 8:23 pm : link
Some of you guys act like if we sign anyone other than above average starters, Reese is a fuck up.

You have to sign depth players and guys who play ST's, too. It's part of football. Every team has these guys.
Yeah I don't see the hate  
Cenotaph : 3/20/2017 8:53 pm : link
Solid vet depth guys go for more than $1-1.5M often. Guys like Herz & Wynn are definitely useful pieces to have around. You can't have a roster of 53 starters, plus we're in the offseason - no guarantee who makes the roster (so concerns over who may be cut for who else are premature). ST players are a need to, especially when talking about your #6 WR or LB or #5 CB or DE, etc. It's not like Herz is preventing any other move by his price or presence on roster. And obv the coaches/front office like him.
RE: LOL..  
Matt M. : 3/20/2017 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13400697 arcarsenal said:
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Some of you guys act like if we sign anyone other than above average starters, Reese is a fuck up.

You have to sign depth players and guys who play ST's, too. It's part of football. Every team has these guys.
Yes, it is. But, re-signing the same guys who don't improve from year to year doesn't exactly send a strong message either.
RE: Rumor is he's boffing a Mara cousin or something...  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/21/2017 5:00 am : link
Torrag said:
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...and I believe it.

Unfortunately, a post like that - even in jest - has a way of echoing around the Internet. Considering the horrors Mark and Danielle Herzlich have both overcome in their young lives (especially Danielle), maybe we should stick to his deficiencies as a football player.

Yes, Mark Herzlich is close with several members of the Mara family. Yes, his tenure and job security seem disproportionate to his contributions on the field. There are plenty of valid reasons to hope the Giants gave him nothing more than a one-year qualifying deal this time.

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BillKo : 3/21/2017 8:44 am : link
In comment 13400732 Matt M. said:
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Some of you guys act like if we sign anyone other than above average starters, Reese is a fuck up.

You have to sign depth players and guys who play ST's, too. It's part of football. Every team has these guys.

Yes, it is. But, re-signing the same guys who don't improve from year to year doesn't exactly send a strong message either.


Doesn't he still have to make the team? Won't there be competition in camp?

And doesn't this signal that the Giants actually value him as a special teams player?
As long as the sole purpose of the contract is to bring him into camp  
Bob in Newburgh : 3/21/2017 9:00 am : link
and there are no de facto guarantees, okay with it.

This is not a core player. He may be good on specials coverage teams, but I have not seen the plays to indicate he is a foundation player.

Hopefully, he is beaten out and we finally move on. News to Giants management - team speed is a critical element to being good.
If he is at vet min, then only 600k or so counts against the cap  
Scyber : 3/21/2017 9:41 am : link
since he is a 4+ year vet. Not a bad deal for a ST contributor.
Couldn't care less.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/21/2017 9:48 am : link
Firstly, he has to make the team..Secondly, he's still a viable STer and last resort LB depth who won't really hurt you..Thirdly, if he makes the team, who would he be robbing of a roster spot that would be an upgrade over him?
RE: Unreal  
Ron Johnson 30 : 3/21/2017 9:52 am : link
In comment 13400525 Rflairr said:
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How the fuck does this guy stay around


He adds a lot of value?
Most fans don't understand  
Ron Johnson 30 : 3/21/2017 9:56 am : link
What goes in to making up a roster
Did he get a SB?  
MotownGIANTS : 3/21/2017 10:05 am : link
If so WHY????
It's the Mara's team  
Torrag : 3/21/2017 10:32 am : link
If they want to hang onto a guy that's socially involved with their family and has an inspirational story for a small contract they can do so. Just don't get all holier than thou that it's about his ability as a football player. He isn't good in any role including special teams and provides no long term upside. This is about a person they like to have around, not what happens on gameday.
RE: Most fans don't understand  
BillKo : 3/21/2017 10:58 am : link
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What goes in to making up a roster


Yep.

You just can't stash prospects and cross your fingers that they can play specials.

You actually need some guys willing to do it, and be effective at it.
RE: It's the Mara's team  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/21/2017 11:20 am : link
Torrag said:
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If they want to hang onto a guy that's socially involved with their family and has an inspirational story for a small contract they can do so. Just don't get all holier than thou that it's about his ability as a football player. He isn't good in any role including special teams and provides no long term upside. This is about a person they like to have around, not what happens on gameday.

Has the organization touted Herzlich's ability that much? The entire post about the signing on Giants.com yesterday consisted of a twitter link:
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The Giants have re-signed LB Mark Herzlich who has been with the team since 2011:
The #Giants have re-signed veteran linebacker Mark Herzlich.
pic.twitter.com/eAZj5Tkt8a
I haven't seen the team pretend that he is anything more than he is. And I don't think he's much, plus the concussions are starting to accumulate.
RE: He must have went to his coach's seminar...  
mvftw : 3/21/2017 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13400651 GloryDayz said:
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"How to suck & NEVER get fired", keynote speaker, Tom Quinn.


Perfect...
Why?  
NNJ Tom : 3/21/2017 3:50 pm : link
Maybe its the mohawk?
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