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Giants re-sign Keenan Robinson

Big Rick in FL : 3/20/2017 10:32 pm
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Jerry Reese  
SHO'NUFF : 3/21/2017 1:17 am : link
putting in work
Excellent  
Joey in VA : 3/21/2017 1:20 am : link
Once he started playing a lot of snaps in the sub packages with Collins playing the rover type role things took off. Very very happy he's back.
This Defense is going to destroy people  
JD in NC : 3/21/2017 1:34 am : link
I don't even care about the offense anymore.
Especially with a true FS....This defense will shine!  
George from PA : 3/21/2017 1:55 am : link
We never really played with a true FS. They have gotten hurt early and their replacements just did not have the same range and instincts.
Excellent!  
Steve in South Jersey : 3/21/2017 5:32 am : link
Great news.
Good signing  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/21/2017 6:22 am : link
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Awesome. Loved the guy  
Tuckrule : 3/21/2017 6:29 am : link
Our defense vs backs and tight ends in the passing is largely due to him. Great signing. Hopefully it's long term
He is a nice player, but a definate injury risk  
ZogZerg : 3/21/2017 6:42 am : link
Can he put two healthy seasons together back-to-back? Lets hope so and that the Giants didn't spend too much.
Just need Hankins back  
Big Rick in FL : 3/21/2017 6:44 am : link
& hopefully a vet RB. If that happens we go into the draft in really good shape. If we have a similar draft class as last year we could make a real deep playoff run.
Nice Waking up to this News  
Suburbanites : 3/21/2017 6:52 am : link
I predict they now sign Blount, however I continue to believe they purposely let Hankins go.
whats not to like  
mdthedream : 3/21/2017 7:30 am : link
he covers TE and Rbs out of the backfield. This is a area that killed us for years. He did a great job last year.
RE: I'm suspecting that this trickle of signings means that it's  
Toth029 : 3/21/2017 8:08 am : link
In comment 13400893 yatqb said:
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doubtful that Hank returns. Money's getting tighter by the minute.


I would expect JT Thomas gone.
So since Robinson took on more of a cover role,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2017 8:34 am : link
Is casillas made more expendable? I don't dislike him, but game to game he's inconsistent.
Miight be the best  
Gman11 : 3/21/2017 8:35 am : link
signing of the off season.
RE: So since Robinson took on more of a cover role,  
BillT : 3/21/2017 8:43 am : link
In comment 13401038 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Is casillas made more expendable? I don't dislike him, but game to game he's inconsistent.

It's not Casillas that becomes expendable but Thomas.
I am in the minority...  
Dillon in Va : 3/21/2017 8:52 am : link
I was hoping he moved on. I dont think he was bad last year just over-hyped as a very good or great coverage LB. I thought he was just ok, with some good games.

With that said, I hope he makes a year 2 jump in preformance, like Casillas made in Spags defense. He seemed to pick up the defense quickly in year 1 so hopefully he can add some impact plays while providing solid coverage this year.

Do we know if he was 1 year deal again or a multi year deal?
Another  
AcidTest : 3/21/2017 9:09 am : link
great move by Reese, depending on the numbers.
Great news  
SamdaGiantsFan : 3/21/2017 9:13 am : link
When healthy, he's clearly an athlete at the position. It's always been his health that's held him back though, hoping he can stay on the field a bit
RE: I am in the minority...  
Brown Recluse : 3/21/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13401064 Dillon in Va said:
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I was hoping he moved on. I dont think he was bad last year just over-hyped as a very good or great coverage LB. I thought he was just ok, with some good games.

With that said, I hope he makes a year 2 jump in preformance, like Casillas made in Spags defense. He seemed to pick up the defense quickly in year 1 so hopefully he can add some impact plays while providing solid coverage this year.

Do we know if he was 1 year deal again or a multi year deal?


I see him as a good coverage LB but not a great tackler. I like him in that coverage role. This defense needs a true thumper in the middle. I'm hoping that player is Goodson this season, and he can build off of plays like this

https://gfycat.com/FinishedAdorableChrysomelid
I preferred he move on as well  
JonC : 3/21/2017 9:50 am : link
NYG continues to sign LBs who are closer to backup level in terms of talent. While KR runs well and provides some plays at times, he often over-runs running plays, misses tackles, and isn't really ideal for the role.

Same goes for Casillas, and JT Thomas.
KR is better than zero  
JonC : 3/21/2017 9:50 am : link
but his warts are annoying.
Thomas is the guy they should move on from.  
arcarsenal : 3/21/2017 9:53 am : link
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All three  
JonC : 3/21/2017 9:55 am : link
but their LB choices continue to suffer.
We'll see how the draft unfolds.  
Brown Recluse : 3/21/2017 10:06 am : link
I don't think there were was much in the way of linebacker talent in the free agency pool. Robinson was about as good as it was going to get, given the lack of money and more pressing needs.
Casillas doesn't do much for me either.  
arcarsenal : 3/21/2017 10:08 am : link
And could potentially be usurped by Goodson.

I do think Robinson has value and is a good piece to have on passing downs. He has a non-redundant role here, IMO.
But I do agree with the overall point....  
arcarsenal : 3/21/2017 10:09 am : link
We haven't had an impact LBer here in quite some time. It would be nice to have a real playmaker at that position again.

Add that, and this is probably the best defense in football.
RE: I preferred he move on as well  
giants#1 : 3/21/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13401161 JonC said:
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NYG continues to sign LBs who are closer to backup level in terms of talent. While KR runs well and provides some plays at times, he often over-runs running plays, misses tackles, and isn't really ideal for the role.

Same goes for Casillas, and JT Thomas.


I agree, but KR is better than Casillas. I'd be surprised if they go LB early in the draft, but hopefully they can find a mid-round prospect with some speed/coverage ability that can bump Casillas off the roster (short term) and start at WLB longer term.
Casillas, Robinson, Goodson and Kennard works for me  
djm : 3/21/2017 10:13 am : link
would love a rangy pissed off pass-rushing LB in this draft. Or a DL passrusher. Add that and in this defense could be disgustingly good in 2017.

I can't help but believe we have something special in the works here. Tell me this team stays relatively healthy and I will guarantee 10 wins--in their sleep.
RE: Casillas doesn't do much for me either.  
giants#1 : 3/21/2017 10:15 am : link
In comment 13401194 arcarsenal said:
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And could potentially be usurped by Goodson.

I do think Robinson has value and is a good piece to have on passing downs. He has a non-redundant role here, IMO.


KR and Casillas actually saw a lot of playing time together last season. In base packages one of them was off the field, but nickel would either be both of them or one of them with Kennard. And dime I believe was usually KR at LB.
RE: Casillas, Robinson, Goodson and Kennard works for me  
giants#1 : 3/21/2017 10:16 am : link
In comment 13401198 djm said:
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would love a rangy pissed off pass-rushing LB in this draft. Or a DL passrusher. Add that and in this defense could be disgustingly good in 2017.

I can't help but believe we have something special in the works here. Tell me this team stays relatively healthy and I will guarantee 10 wins--in their sleep.


If asshat reports regarding the offer to Hankins are true (1-2 year deal), then I'd expect them to be looking for a penetrating DT in the 1st 3 rounds.

Robinson played pretty well for us least year, we should be happy  
PatersonPlank : 3/21/2017 10:36 am : link
he's back. He definitely can cover.
We're getting  
PEEJ : 3/21/2017 10:38 am : link
the band back together :)
RE: We're getting  
blueblood : 3/21/2017 10:42 am : link
In comment 13401238 PEEJ said:
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the band back together :)


Ive been saying this since yesterday !!!

I think we may actually  
MotownGIANTS : 3/21/2017 10:52 am : link
pick that Vandy LB .... then go OL in the 2nd rd and Butts in the 3rd (may have to give up our 4th to do it)
Good player  
ChicagoMarty : 3/21/2017 11:21 am : link
Stay healthy!
We're getting the band back together  
Beer Man : 3/21/2017 11:29 am : link
RE: I think we may actually  
Suburbanites : 3/21/2017 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13401258 MotownGIANTS said:
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pick that Vandy LB .... then go OL in the 2nd rd and Butts in the 3rd (may have to give up our 4th to do it)


Sign me up for this please. I've been saying for weeks I don't see a big difference between the OT's who currently have 2nd round projections like Moton and Garcia and those who have 1st round like Robinson, Bolles and Ramcyk. The Giants would get better value waiting a round to get their much needed OT. As for TE, Butt will be there because of his injury but other good options like Leggett, Shaheen or Engram may also be there.

If ever there's a year for the Giants to draft a linebacker in the first round I believe this is it.
RE: RE: I think we may actually  
djm : 3/21/2017 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13401410 Suburbanites said:
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In comment 13401258 MotownGIANTS said:


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pick that Vandy LB .... then go OL in the 2nd rd and Butts in the 3rd (may have to give up our 4th to do it)



Sign me up for this please. I've been saying for weeks I don't see a big difference between the OT's who currently have 2nd round projections like Moton and Garcia and those who have 1st round like Robinson, Bolles and Ramcyk. The Giants would get better value waiting a round to get their much needed OT. As for TE, Butt will be there because of his injury but other good options like Leggett, Shaheen or Engram may also be there.

If ever there's a year for the Giants to draft a linebacker in the first round I believe this is it.


I believe Reese has been seen scouting the Vandy LB. May have even been mentioned on this thread. Not sure where I saw that.
Years of bad drafting  
DelZotto : 3/21/2017 3:15 pm : link
Forces them to sign mediocre talent time and time again. It's this year or Armageddon for the next three or four years while we drag ourselves our from Cap Hell.

RE: Years of bad drafting  
Klaatu : 3/21/2017 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13401682 DelZotto said:
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Forces them to sign mediocre talent time and time again. It's this year or Armageddon for the next three or four years while we drag ourselves our from Cap Hell.


Yeah, 'cause Vernon, Harrsion, and Jenkins were the very definition of mediocre talent.
RE: Years of bad drafting  
djm : 3/21/2017 5:05 pm : link
In comment 13401682 DelZotto said:
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Forces them to sign mediocre talent time and time again. It's this year or Armageddon for the next three or four years while we drag ourselves our from Cap Hell.


We're gonna have a good to very good to possibly great team on our hands the next 2-3-4 years. You can have your cap space. I'll take winning football.
RE: Years of bad drafting  
jcn56 : 3/21/2017 5:49 pm : link
In comment 13401682 DelZotto said:
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Forces them to sign mediocre talent time and time again. It's this year or Armageddon for the next three or four years while we drag ourselves our from Cap Hell.


Why is it going to be Armageddon? The majority of the defense is young and under contract. The cap goes up every year. With a couple of restructures you get the offensive FAs under contract easily next year.

Where's the panic coming from?
RE: RE: Years of bad drafting  
Craigg619 : 3/21/2017 5:57 pm : link
In comment 13401890 djm said:
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In comment 13401682 DelZotto said:


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Forces them to sign mediocre talent time and time again. It's this year or Armageddon for the next three or four years while we drag ourselves our from Cap Hell.




We're gonna have a good to very good to possibly great team on our hands the next 2-3-4 years. You can have your cap space. I'll take winning football.


Agreed. Why in gods green earth do fans worry about cap space so much? Let the team worry about that stuff and let's just enjoy the product on the field and winning.

The constant complaining about the cap is new these last few years and good lord it's annoying.
This is a pretty good team  
Go Terps : 3/21/2017 6:01 pm : link
I don't agree with some of the moves over the last couple seasons but overall the roster is enough to contend.

It's important to remember that they had relative good luck in terms of health in 2016. It's not crazy to expect depth to play more of a role in 2017. I would really have liked to come out of this offseason with another top shelf corner to do two things:

- provide excellent CB depth in 2017
- provide a seamless transition from DRC if/when he leaves after 2017

I'd expect the defense to not be as strong this year, and the offense to be better.
People worry about the cap because it matters  
Go Terps : 3/21/2017 6:03 pm : link
the cap is why we have to make decisions between players/positions instead of just being able to stockpile.

Why wouldn't you care about the cap?
Of course you worry about the cap - you worry that money is  
jcn56 : 3/21/2017 6:11 pm : link
spent wisely, not overpaying for talent and obtaining talent that fills needs and represents value.

We have spent a lot of money, some of that to retain our own, some of it to go out and get good players who addressed need. So far, I'm failing to see what the concern is about the acquisitions.

The only thing you can say is that we didn't sign a FA OL - but for the second year in a row, there was little availability of talent that represented both need and value. Going out and signing Whitworth at 35, or paying Osemele the highest amount ever given to a guard wasn't going to magically do wonders for the team.
RE: Of course you worry about the cap - you worry that money is  
Go Terps : 3/21/2017 6:27 pm : link
In comment 13401934 jcn56 said:
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spent wisely, not overpaying for talent and obtaining talent that fills needs and represents value.

We have spent a lot of money, some of that to retain our own, some of it to go out and get good players who addressed need. So far, I'm failing to see what the concern is about the acquisitions.

The only thing you can say is that we didn't sign a FA OL - but for the second year in a row, there was little availability of talent that represented both need and value. Going out and signing Whitworth at 35, or paying Osemele the highest amount ever given to a guard wasn't going to magically do wonders for the team.


Osemele makes a lot of money, no doubt. His cap hit in 2017 will be $13.2 million.

But Vernon's in 2017 is $16 million. $17 million in 2018. $19.5 million in 2019. JPP's is only $7.25 million in 2017. But in 2018 & 2019 it is $17.5 million and $19.5 million.

Starting in 2018 we will be spending $34.5 million on JPP and Vernon. That's 20% of the entire cap if we assume a bump to $175 million in 2018.

Will that do wonders for the team?
RE: RE: Of course you worry about the cap - you worry that money is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/21/2017 6:32 pm : link
In comment 13401943 Go Terps said:
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In comment 13401934 jcn56 said:


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spent wisely, not overpaying for talent and obtaining talent that fills needs and represents value.

We have spent a lot of money, some of that to retain our own, some of it to go out and get good players who addressed need. So far, I'm failing to see what the concern is about the acquisitions.

The only thing you can say is that we didn't sign a FA OL - but for the second year in a row, there was little availability of talent that represented both need and value. Going out and signing Whitworth at 35, or paying Osemele the highest amount ever given to a guard wasn't going to magically do wonders for the team.



Osemele makes a lot of money, no doubt. His cap hit in 2017 will be $13.2 million.

But Vernon's in 2017 is $16 million. $17 million in 2018. $19.5 million in 2019. JPP's is only $7.25 million in 2017. But in 2018 & 2019 it is $17.5 million and $19.5 million.

Starting in 2018 we will be spending $34.5 million on JPP and Vernon. That's 20% of the entire cap if we assume a bump to $175 million in 2018.

Will that do wonders for the team?


It puts them in contention for a championship.

Those numbers aren't etched in stone, anyway. As we've seen, contract structure in the nfl are flexible things, and the Giants have the benefit of a very good brain managing the cap.
Ten Ton  
Go Terps : 3/21/2017 6:36 pm : link
I think this team may have a shot, but I'm skeptical about how much of that shot is tied to paying two good players great money.
RE: People worry about the cap because it matters  
Craigg619 : 3/21/2017 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13401930 Go Terps said:
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the cap is why we have to make decisions between players/positions instead of just being able to stockpile.

Why wouldn't you care about the cap?


Umm because I don't work for the team? Why would any fan know more about managing the cap then the Giants front office does? You guys worry about so much how do u enjoy the game?
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