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John Jerry salary numbers

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/21/2017 9:03 am
2017 - $925,000

2018 - $3,050,000

2019 - $3,050,000
Josh Johnson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/21/2017 9:05 am : link
2017: $900,000

2018: $915,000
This is where the cap throws me  
jcn56 : 3/21/2017 9:07 am : link
I know only the top 53 count, and that there's some relief at some salary level for established vets. Do their salary numbers equal their cap hits at this point, or through some creative accounting, are they less?

At any rate, Jerry fits the mold of 'not so great, but you get what you pay for'.
JPP  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/21/2017 9:07 am : link
2017: $1,250,000
2018: $11,250,000
2019: $13,250,000
2020: $11,250,000
How much guaranteed is Jerry's contract  
superspynyg : 3/21/2017 9:12 am : link
Again?
RE: This is where the cap throws me  
section125 : 3/21/2017 9:13 am : link
In comment 13401078 jcn56 said:
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I know only the top 53 count, and that there's some relief at some salary level for established vets. Do their salary numbers equal their cap hits at this point, or through some creative accounting, are they less?

At any rate, Jerry fits the mold of 'not so great, but you get what you pay for'.


Vets signed to vet mimimums with a bonus less than $80k(?) get relief - like a 20% reduction against the cap or something of that order.
The creative accounting is having a lower base salary up front and then averaging the signing bonus over the length of the contract pushing the higher non-guaranteed salary toward the end of the contract, therefore making the player less of a cap hit up front while making it possible to cut him when the high base salary kicks in toward the end of the contract. (whew)
So Jerry gets a bonus check up front, then lives of the base salary thereafter.
Jerry is  
Pete in MD : 3/21/2017 9:14 am : link
easily cuttable after year 1. He has a cap hit of $4.125M in 2018 with potential dead money of $1.6M.
RE: How much guaranteed is Jerry's contract  
Pete in MD : 3/21/2017 9:15 am : link
In comment 13401086 superspynyg said:
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Again?

$3,325,000 guaranteed
RE: How much guaranteed is Jerry's contract  
EddieNYG : 3/21/2017 9:16 am : link
In comment 13401086 superspynyg said:
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Again?


Jerry's guaranteed = $4.25M

Jerry has cap hits of $4,125,000 in 2018 and 2019

2018 Dead Money = $1,600,000
2019 Dead Money =$800,000
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Forgive me for my ignorance but what has Jerry done  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 3/21/2017 9:22 am : link
to earn any kind of a guaranteed contract? I'm a bit flabbergasted by this.
Very odd.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/21/2017 9:25 am : link
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RE: Forgive me for my ignorance but what has Jerry done  
section125 : 3/21/2017 9:26 am : link
In comment 13401101 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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to earn any kind of a guaranteed contract? I'm a bit flabbergasted by this.


Started virtually every game since he got here? He's not All Pro, but he shows up, plays and doesn't miss games.
So basically a one year deal  
jlukes : 3/21/2017 9:26 am : link
makes sense
RE: This is where the cap throws me  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/21/2017 9:29 am : link
jcn56 said:
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I know only the top 53 count, and that there's some relief at some salary level for established vets. Do their salary numbers equal their cap hits at this point, or through some creative accounting, are they less?

Just to be clear about cap relief, the Minimum Salary Benefit applies only to vets with at least four years of service who sign one-year contracts for the applicable minimum salary, with minimal bonus/incentives (up to $80K this year, $90K in 2018-2020).

For cap purposes, the MSB effectively reduces the hit for the player's salary - and only his salary - to the current minimum salary for a third-year player, which is $615K in 2017. Therefore, the value of the benefit increases along with the player's seniority. For a player in his fifth, sixth or seventh year, the amount of relief is $160K ($775K-$615K). In his eleventh year, the benefit is worth $385K ($1MM-$615K).

Bonuses and incentives are not eligible for relief.
RE: Forgive me for my ignorance but what has Jerry done  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/21/2017 9:31 am : link
In comment 13401101 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
[quote] to earn any kind of a guaranteed contract? I'm a bit flabbergasted by this. [/quot

Actually for a vet e his starting experience it's not that bad. He just shouldn't be a starter on the Giants. Put him on Dallas' OL and he'd be. After surrounded by studs where he wouldn't be asked nearly as much. He's just a below average starter. He's a quality back up who is starting. Hate the issue. His pay isn't insane.

If he's here after 2018 Reese needs to be fired.
RE: Jerry is  
Tuckrule : 3/21/2017 9:31 am : link
In comment 13401092 Pete in MD said:
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easily cuttable after year 1. He has a cap hit of $4.125M in 2018 with potential dead money of $1.6M.


I read it the same. Jerry is basically a one year deal
RE: RE: Jerry is  
section125 : 3/21/2017 9:33 am : link
In comment 13401118 Tuckrule said:
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In comment 13401092 Pete in MD said:


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easily cuttable after year 1. He has a cap hit of $4.125M in 2018 with potential dead money of $1.6M.



I read it the same. Jerry is basically a one year deal


....but not such an unreasonable deal if they need him in year two and three. Saves needing to find a OG next year and his number is known.
RE: RE: Jerry is  
rasbutant : 3/21/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13401118 Tuckrule said:
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In comment 13401092 Pete in MD said:


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easily cuttable after year 1. He has a cap hit of $4.125M in 2018 with potential dead money of $1.6M.



I read it the same. Jerry is basically a one year deal


If he is only here for 1 year then they will have paid him 3.35 mil for 1 year. 1.75 + 1.6

So if you look at it that way, the final two years cost 3.05 mil each with no G.
I wouldn't exactly call it a one-year deal.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/21/2017 9:45 am : link
I guess you can look at it as a one-year deal for $4.25MM. Alternatively, you could say the Giants are paying somewhere between $500K and $1MM for an option on John Jerry's services in 2018 and 2019, with an exercise price a little over $3MM/year.

RE: This is where the cap throws me  
giants#1 : 3/21/2017 9:47 am : link
In comment 13401078 jcn56 said:
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I know only the top 53 count, and that there's some relief at some salary level for established vets. Do their salary numbers equal their cap hits at this point, or through some creative accounting, are they less?

At any rate, Jerry fits the mold of 'not so great, but you get what you pay for'.


I think only the top 51 count against the cap at this point. Once the season starts, everyone counts including those on IR.

The numbers on this thread are (mostly) just the base salaries of the players, not their cap hits which:
1) Include bonuses (for Jerry)
2) May be less than the base if the bonus is small
RE: I wouldn't exactly call it a one-year deal.  
giants#1 : 3/21/2017 9:50 am : link
In comment 13401151 Big Blue Blogger said:
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I guess you can look at it as a one-year deal for $4.25MM. Alternatively, you could say the Giants are paying somewhere between $500K and $1MM for an option on John Jerry's services in 2018 and 2019, with an exercise price a little over $3MM/year.


Based on the OTC breakdown, tt's basically a 1 year/$3.35M deal with 'incentives' for a 2nd/3rd year. Or 2nd/3rd year 'options'.
Looking more closely, it seems one year could cost as little as $1.85M  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/21/2017 9:51 am : link
That's the fully guaranteed amount. It's not clear whether the higher $4.25MM guarantee is just for injury.
RE: Looking more closely, it seems one year could cost as little as $1.85M  
giants#1 : 3/21/2017 9:58 am : link
In comment 13401167 Big Blue Blogger said:
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That's the fully guaranteed amount. It's not clear whether the higher $4.25MM guarantee is just for injury.


I think OTC has the wrong signing bonus number in the "description" of the contract, but the correct SB in the table. Spotrac has his SB = $2.4M and $3.325M fully guaranteed (SB + 2017 base).
Here's a breakdown...  
Dan Duggan : 3/21/2017 9:59 am : link
of the contracts for Marshall, Ellison and Jerry:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/03/inside_look_at_contracts_of_giants_signings_brando.html
RE: Here's a breakdown...  
Dan Duggan : 3/21/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13401179 Dan Duggan said:
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of the contracts for Marshall, Ellison and Jerry:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/03/inside_look_at_contracts_of_giants_signings_brando.html


Here's the link
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RE: Here's a breakdown...  
giants#1 : 3/21/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13401179 Dan Duggan said:
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of the contracts for Marshall, Ellison and Jerry:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/03/inside_look_at_contracts_of_giants_signings_brando.html


When you say "Marshall's contract also contains up to a $500,000 bonus for unspecified totals of receptions and receiving yards in each season"

I assume that just means it's not publicly announced? Wouldn't the totals have to be specified in the contract?
RE: RE: Here's a breakdown...  
Dan Duggan : 3/21/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13401184 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13401179 Dan Duggan said:


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of the contracts for Marshall, Ellison and Jerry:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/03/inside_look_at_contracts_of_giants_signings_brando.html



When you say "Marshall's contract also contains up to a $500,000 bonus for unspecified totals of receptions and receiving yards in each season"

I assume that just means it's not publicly announced? Wouldn't the totals have to be specified in the contract?


Yes, that is correct. What I saw didn't contain the specific numbers, but I didn't have the full contract in hand.
RE: Forgive me for my ignorance but what has Jerry done  
djm : 3/21/2017 10:54 am : link
In comment 13401101 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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to earn any kind of a guaranteed contract? I'm a bit flabbergasted by this.


HE's started for two straight years and he isn't the worst guard in the league. In other words, you could do worse.
John Jerry fucking blows...  
SHO'NUFF : 3/21/2017 11:52 am : link
but in combination with Marshall Newhouse, that right side was an unmitigated disaster...and Reese was fine with it going into 2016. That's a fireable offense in my book. I don't care what he did on the defensive side last year.

At least getting rid of Newhouse solves half the problem. I wasn't thrilled with Jerry's return, especially with those numbers, but I can live with him coming off the bench.
I love how many peopl  
Cenotaph : 3/21/2017 12:17 pm : link
on BBI are OL experts. Look Jerry isn't a great OG, no one thinks that. But there is value in a guy who comes to play every week, and who is at least competent in his play. Yes, Jerry has weaknesses and isn't an All-Pro - but at the price, and with who's still out there, who were the Giant's getting to play RG?
cap numbers are rough for a guy who is marginal at best  
Victor in CT : 3/21/2017 1:27 pm : link
see attached.

sorry I can't copy it in ledgibly, but suffice it to say that they are headed to cap trouble in 2018 and 2019 with this, JPP, and other backdated contracts.
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