As all Knicks fans probably know, there is now considerable discussion that Melo will waive his no-trade and leave after this season. Two benefits to the Knicks are obvious: cap room, and the opportunity to pursue a an athletic, quick small forward along with a pass-first point guard, between free agency with cash to spend, and the draft.
The question I have is simple: do the Knicks actually get anything back for Melo? What might that be? Draft pick? Rotation player? What?
lebron follows after 1 more year in cleveland
Build around Porzingis and Hernangomez.
Hopefully build it right for once.
Only team I can really see giving away assets to get rid of salary are the Lakers for two reasons:
1.) Trying to be somewhat relevant. Melo might only add 3-4 wins, but he's an LA brand name player.
2.) They will only get anything in return if the Knicks would take on Deng or Mozgov (or maybe both). Maybe they give Randle, Clarkson or Dlo as a reward for doing so.
Only reason it makes sense is if they really think PG is serious about LA. They would need to clear some salary (Randle would be getting a likely near-max deal that same offseason).
And that's just my dream scenario. No team is giving up anything of value for a 34 year old washed up expiring. No team is a Carmelo Anthony away from anything in 2017.
It wouldn't be as much as taking on Melo as it is getting rid of horrible contracts to get Paul George (which seems like a realistic goal for LA).
And they aren't getting PG unless they shed one or both of the contracts. And it's risky giving anymore 1st rounders considering how awful the Lakers are. Those are valuable. D-Lo and Randle are valuable, too. Clarkson is too, but not as much and his salary isn't insignificant.
Probably the single biggest mistake of the Phil era. Fisher and Noah are just paychecks.
Yet 0 landed.
That's NOT including an extension for Tarek Black, the salary of their 1st rounder this year/next year, or signing anyone this offseason to anything more than a 1 year deal.
Realistically, they might only be able to offer PG a $10M a year deal if they want to keep all of their young players/picks.
I can guarantee at least one of Randle, Clarkson, or D-lo will not be on the Lakers in 2018-19. Not saying the Knicks get one of them, but some team will.
It's insane. The Bulls arent even good and the Raptors are. I need to see a breakdown of why the Raps get wrecked by Chicago every single time they meet.
One day after he sounded as if his future in New York was in doubt, Anthony revealed Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek told him at Tuesday’s practice that his minutes will decrease, so the coach can get a closer look at their six rookies. With the Knicks at 27-43, out of the playoff race and facing the Jazz Wednesday, Anthony said he’s OK with it.
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Lots of things are off the table if they don't get their pick this year. They're fucked. You can add Paul George to their current team heading into next year and I don't think they'd make the playoffs. They need Ball/Fultz/Jackson in the worst way.
Key to the NBA is roles. Guys who are put in the wrong role are in over their head and people say "he sucks". Put that guy in the right role and he's lauded.
That is Melo's issue. He is miscast as a top player on a good team now. He isnt that. Make him the 3rd best player? He's the toast of the league. Smart GMs will recognize that. Smart GMs wont overpay for that though.
There are numerous reasons why the Knicks are awful on the defensive end, but Melo at the 3 is high on the list. Assuming that Hernangomez will grow into the starting 5 alongside KP, there is an urgent need for a fast, young, athletic 3, or the Knicks just won't ever get much better.
Enough is enough. For God's sakes - we're 1/2 a suck level from being the Cleveland Browns of the NBA.
Enough is enough. For God's sakes - we're 1/2 a suck level from being the Cleveland Browns of the NBA.
But if you think about the Knicks in respect to the Nets and the magic, it could still somehow be worse.
Bad reference for a Giants board but I'd equate the Knicks to the eagles. Poor management, but they still got "their guy".
Integrating the Melo chatter, it really sucks Melo has limited destinations.
Not really sure what assets the Pelicans would have or how salaries would even work but you have Melo play the 3 there (or even come off the bench) it would make things interesting.
I really think he's closer to a third star than a missing championship piece.
i jist hope melo expands his list, cleveland and the clipperd have zero draft picks
Where was this 20 games ago? Would've been nice.
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and Hahn said Melo's telling people he's out of here.
Where was this 20 games ago? Would've been nice.
He'd starve.
It all starts with Dolan.
Still pissed that the Pistons took Darko instead of Melo?
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Still pissed that the Pistons took Darko instead of Melo?
I can't see you just changing teams that easily....oh wait.
could you imagine him with the new york media? frank and berman would have a field day, you know he would rip the offense and phil every chance he got because his son wouldnt have the ball enough...
kind if feel that is the last thing this organization neefs
yeah i know it is a good problem to have...
unless the knicks feel he is head and shoulders above the other 2 i would have no problem them passing on ball
Unless they can an unprotected 1st from either of them, I would prefer they just buy him out in the off-season. I think his trade value is very low, but his basketball value could be valuable to the right team. Either way its time to end it.
Also, Ball's father wouldn't bother me one bit.
I love Jackson (not that I don't like Ball) but totally agree on the father.
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/843631222098219008
Impressive scoring in that clip. Everything I have seen from Jackson has been incredibly impressive. In a "normal" year, he would be a consensus number 1 pick. I would love him on the Knicks but honestly I just want a good guard- especially point guard. As a fan, I have been starved for guard play from the Knicks. Not the smartest way to build a team, just fan thinking.
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who really doesn't have any plus NBA skills at this point. Now, he might develop some, and if he does he could really by something. Otherwise, I think he's a very good energy guy who will play good defense and occasionally post a big offensive game. Good pick, not a great pick.
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/843631222098219008
Impressive scoring in that clip. Everything I have seen from Jackson has been incredibly impressive. In a "normal" year, he would be a consensus number 1 pick. I would love him on the Knicks but honestly I just want a good guard- especially point guard. As a fan, I have been starved for guard play from the Knicks. Not the smartest way to build a team, just fan thinking.
I like Jackson but I dont think he'd be a consensus #1 in a "normal year". Looking back 15 drafts, he def doesnt get taken over Simmons, KAT, Davis, Wall, Griffin, Rose, Oden, Doward, Lebron, Yao -- i.e. at least 10 of the last 15 #1s.
I dont think the tippy top of this draft is special although Im warmed to Fultz at least being a Wall-level prospect. The specialness of this draft as far as I can tell is where the Knicks pick -- we're likely at 5-6-7 to get a player who would go 2-3 in most drafts. And thereafter -- getting a Fox or Monk as you creep up on #10 overall is crazy good value.
He is a very advanced handle for a 6'8" guy. He also isn't as bad of a shooter as people were claiming when he came in. Shooting a decent percentage from 3 and can hit pull up Js. Probably the best defensive prospect of the top 7 (maybe the only one that's considered above average at this point).
I don't think he has some crazy start potential but I think he can be an Iggy-type pseudo-PG, 2nd/3rd banana.
After the top 4 guys (Ball, Fultz, Jackson, Tatum) I am taking Fox.
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in the minority view but I'm not yet sold on Fox. Not saying he can't be good. Just think there are a few non-PG's I'd pass on Fox for.
After the top 4 guys (Ball, Fultz, Jackson, Tatum) I am taking Fox.
Not me. Not even close. Fox is rail thinwith very little touch on his jumper which doesn't give me much hope in regard to his 3 point shooting (23%!!!) but with that touch I don't think that's ever going to change. Really reminds me of Jennings. I'd go Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith, Markkanen, Isaac, then Fox.
Obviously not trying to say Jackson is going to become Kawhi, but from scouting reports there are many similar attributes. Jackson probably has a more advanced handle/shot coming out of school. Kawhi Leonard is a special case. I think work ethic wise, there may not be many athletes in the world at his level. But I think Jackson brings a similar intensity, at least on defense.
If I'm drafting Jackson I'm playing him at the point in the next few summer leagues and for stretches in regular season games. I think he really has that good of a handle. He can work out of PnRs. Always finds the open man.
I don't like the red flags on Smith. KNee injury. Attitude concerns. He might be a superior talent but I don't like those things.
I'd be cool with Isaac because his ceiling is really high. I am not a Markkanen fan.
I like Willy's potential but if I'm Phil Jackson, Hernangomez is not factoring into my plans in this draft. Fit with KP is what matters.
Not me. Not even close. Fox is rail thinwith very little touch on his jumper which doesn't give me much hope in regard to his 3 point shooting (23%!!!) but with that touch I don't think that's ever going to change. Really reminds me of Jennings. I'd go Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith, Markkanen, Isaac, then Fox.
The jumper is a legit concern, but you can't seriously talk about Fox' weight when you've been hyping up Isaac at the same time.
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Not me. Not even close. Fox is rail thinwith very little touch on his jumper which doesn't give me much hope in regard to his 3 point shooting (23%!!!) but with that touch I don't think that's ever going to change. Really reminds me of Jennings. I'd go Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith, Markkanen, Isaac, then Fox.
The jumper is a legit concern, but you can't seriously talk about Fox' weight when you've been hyping up Isaac at the same time.
Have you watched either of the two play? Fox goes flying when pushed. Can't even finish with contact. Plays like that on defense too. Isaac is a much more physical player. It's like KP vs like Brandon Ingram. KPs physicality makes him much more successful at his current weight than Ingram at the same stage.
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I can't see you just changing teams that easily....oh wait.
Warriors or Knicks? hmm..
Well that's not true either. Makes me think YOU'VE never seen him play.
His ability to stick onto an opponent like velcro is still evident whether the opposing guard is working around an off-ball screen or driving to the paint. While his tenacity is an incredibly fun thing to watch, it’s more impressive to know that he’s able to do this while only averaging 3 fouls per 40 minutes. That average actually stands as one of the lowest among SEC point guards.
Fox’s knack of being an aggressive defender without getting in regular foul trouble has a lot to do with body control and great footwork. Those two traits are evident in the play below as Fox is able to stick to the Louisville cutter from the perimeter to the paint for the opposition gets called for a travel.
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Granted I haven't see a lot of FSU games, and when I do he's on the bench more than he's playing thanks to Hamilton's style. I just don't see the dynamic movement skills to get excited about.
Fox scares me as well, especially his reluctance to shoot. I would be fine taking him around 10. Taking him top 5 or around 5 would scare me.
Matt Jones of Kentucky sports radio (big time U.K. homer) says he fears for whoever is going to take him in the draft.
He has defensive upside, but U.K. Hasn't but shutting down opposing PGs to say the least.
Granted I haven't see a lot of FSU games, and when I do he's on the bench more than he's playing thanks to Hamilton's style. I just don't see the dynamic movement skills to get excited about.
Strongly disagree. Really impressive handle for a guy that height. Runs the court like a gazelle. Granted these are just highlights but it gives you an idea of his skillset. I could see KP/Isaac being a fantastic duo protecting the rim. How often do you see a 6'10 kid block a shot, grab the loose ball and take it up the court on a fast break?
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For me he's behind the big 5 and Monk.
Don't want to worry about future salary at this point, but if you think about the Hawks and Dennis Schroeder, is schroeder really taking you places that say Corey Joseph can't? He's going to be making $25M a year.
I know the Knicks have a PG problem for a while now, but I'm not reaching to take a guy who might become a slightly above average starting PG vs taking Tatum (who could be a danny granger type) or Isaac (who might deservedly earn the "unicorn" label).
For me he's behind the big 5 and Monk.
I'm a defender of Monk, but not for the Knicks. You'll need a big PG that can guard 2s, and those don't really exist. Monk doesn't really make sense for any team in the top 5 outside of Philly, where he is a match made in heaven.
If I'm the Knicks I'm not even worrying about monk unless they finish the season like 10-2 and pick around 8-9.
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He'll never be big enough to be the 4 with his body type, and at the 3 he's probably a 7 on the athletic scale compared to other NBA SF's.
For me he's behind the big 5 and Monk.
I'm a defender of Monk, but not for the Knicks. You'll need a big PG that can guard 2s, and those don't really exist. Monk doesn't really make sense for any team in the top 5 outside of Philly, where he is a match made in heaven.
If I'm the Knicks I'm not even worrying about monk unless they finish the season like 10-2 and pick around 8-9.
We agree here. I am not a Monk fan at all. If he had better PG skills I might be more inclined to like him.
Wait is that possible?
I thought anyone who finished out of the top 3 is guaranteed at least where they finished in the standings. I thought it's only those who finish bottom 3 run the risk of picking lower than where they end up (and only 4th at worst).
Correct me if I'm wrong, probably an.
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. With our luck, though, we might finish 5th and still pick 8th.
Wait is that possible?
I thought anyone who finished out of the top 3 is guaranteed at least where they finished in the standings. I thought it's only those who finish bottom 3 run the risk of picking lower than where they end up (and only 4th at worst).
Correct me if I'm wrong, probably an.
Top 3 of the draft is based off the lottery. 4th and down is based on record of the teams not in the top 3. Essentially, the lottery is only for the top 3 selections.
But thats only possible if 3 teams that finish with a better record than the Knicks all "win" the lottery and pick top 3 right?
He's regressed in the sense that after his rookie year everyone was expecting prime-Dirk offense with prime-KG defense and that didn't happen.
He's doing just as well as Dirk did year 2.
I still think that narrative came majorly from the first few weeks after he came back from the injury where he just was not the same considering how great he looked at the beginning of the season. I think he just wasn't playing healthy.
As for the lottery, i do believe the 5 to 8 scenario only plays out under the circumstances you mentioned.
“We’ll limit those guys throughout the game, but at the end of the game, those main guys play the final eight minutes to get us a win,’’ Hornacek said.
Reading some of Hornacek's quotes in this article, you can tell he's selling out to keep his job. He wanted very little to do with the triangle when he arrived, and now he sounds like Tex Winter.
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He found his 3 shot, imo. Much easier to crash the boards when you're a rookie just finding your way as opposed to being, before injury, a very good distance shooter getting a larger share of the offense.
Among the top 5, he's probably the one Phil will fall in love with.
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Hornacek said he will limit minutes for veterans such as Anthony and Rose in the final 12 games, but wants them playing down the stretch of close contests. The Knicks would be seeded sixth in the NBA Draft lottery if the season ended today, and some part of the fan base hopes more losses result in a better seed.
“We’ll limit those guys throughout the game, but at the end of the game, those main guys play the final eight minutes to get us a win,’’ Hornacek said.
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I really do wonder what the quotes from obvious tanking coaches sound like. I'd bet its similar. It's a lot more palatable for the league if you lie about tanking. What should he do -- stand up there and say he wont play his best players because he wants to lose?
Lets judge him by what he does in close games, not what he says he will do. And just in case, hope we dont have close games.
Tatum is also a better athlete and defender.
Also, aside from injuries, how exactly Parker "not turned out great"? This year it started to become a conversation of whether him or Wiggins is actually better (Wiggins is better, but it certainly could be debated).
I'd agree he doesn't fit on the Bucks in Kidd's positionless, switch everything style of play, but no one really heralded him as a defensive stalwart coming into the league. In fact, it was quite the opposite.
"I'm speaking for myself and not Phil but Luke Kennard is exactly the kind of 2 guard the triangle needs to succeed"- Charley Rosen
Even for an AD fan, I don't think there is a player under 25 I'd even consider taking over GF. Not even for injury reasons. He's a PG that provides rim protection. That's mind boggling in a Lebron James type way.
Jumper isn't there yet and his vision/being able to see plays develop isn't at an elite level yet, but man it doesn't even need to be for him to be a surefire HoFer. Don't intend to talk in potential/future speak, but I don't know what is holding him back from becoming a top 20 all time player one day.
Just get guys that defend their position and hit 3s (Brogdon, Middleton). And the rings will come.
When I see guys like Bacon, Swanigan, etc. Projected as 2nd rounders I just know to wait closer to the draft to see how it sorts out.
I was listening to Barstool's NBA podcast and Tyler Withers (I think thats his last name) said he's a modern day Zach Randolph. Haven't heard anything that makes more sense regarding the draft this year. He'll give you those double doubles and toughness but also that extra range/passing thats expected of bigs nowadays.
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is a projected 2nd rounder? Jeez. 6'9 elite rebounder with 3 point range. I get that he's not a top notch athlete but 2nd round? Do me up #MillsapLight
When I see guys like Bacon, Swanigan, etc. Projected as 2nd rounders I just know to wait closer to the draft to see how it sorts out.
I was listening to Barstool's NBA podcast and Tyler Withers (I think thats his last name) said he's a modern day Zach Randolph. Haven't heard anything that makes more sense regarding the draft this year. He'll give you those double doubles and toughness but also that extra range/passing thats expected of bigs nowadays.
makes sense. Just seems too good to be true as a 2nd rounder. 19, 13 and 3 with 43% from 3, won't even be 20 until next month. 2nd round? No brainer.
As an Indiana fan I'd take Swanigan 11 times out of 10 over Thomas Bryant.
"I'm speaking for myself and not Phil but Luke Kennard is exactly the kind of 2 guard the triangle needs to succeed"- Charley Rosen
didnt we hear that last time and no one knew he was high on kp, even woj said phil doesnt like anyone and is going to trade out...
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excited to hear Phil high on some guy projected in the teens-20's that fits the triangle.
"I'm speaking for myself and not Phil but Luke Kennard is exactly the kind of 2 guard the triangle needs to succeed"- Charley Rosen
didnt we hear that last time and no one knew he was high on kp, even woj said phil doesnt like anyone and is going to trade out...
Lyles was the guy Phil "supposedly" was eyeing.
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excited to hear Phil high on some guy projected in the teens-20's that fits the triangle.
"I'm speaking for myself and not Phil but Luke Kennard is exactly the kind of 2 guard the triangle needs to succeed"- Charley Rosen
didnt we hear that last time and no one knew he was high on kp, even woj said phil doesnt like anyone and is going to trade out...
Lyles was the guy Phil "supposedly" was eyeing.
thats who it was i couldnt remember the players name that we all hated
Melli is an Italian-born power forward who has spent the last six seasons playing at the top level of European basketball, first at EA7 Milano and now for Brose Bamberg. He’s grown up through the last few seasons, from bit player in 2011-2012 into a very solid starting four. Having lost former Pitt Panther Brad Wanamaker over the summer, Brose has struggled so far this season. But even though they’re 2-6 in Euroleague play, Melli has done a great job of helping to shoulder some of the load as his team adjusts. He’s currently averaging 12 points, eight rebounds, and two assists per game in Euroleague play, and he’s often a focal point of the Brose offense, even if he doesn’t score a lot. Perhaps more importantly, though, this season has let Melli showcase why at 25-years old, he could be primed for a jump to the NBA.
Louis Olinde https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Olinde
And Daniel Theis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Theis
All are considered potential NBA talent by David Pink
That is my recollection.
Malik Monk, SG, Kentucky: Prepare the Garden for more than a few 40-point nights, while giving the Knicks the perimeter defender they’ve lacked since ... Gerald Wilkins?
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Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona: They can just use all their old DeMarcus Cousins sets beyond the 3-point line, and Isaac can help mask some of Markkanen’s defensive limitations against fours.
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DeAaron Fox, PG, Kentucky: There’s just no way Tom Thibodeau misses a chance to add the best defender at the point in this draft. What does this mean for Kris Dunn?
"I'm speaking for myself and not Phil but Luke Kennard is exactly the kind of 2 guard the triangle needs to succeed"- Charley Rosen
This scenario scares the shit out of me. Honestly having Phil do anything this offseason is scary. Hopefully there's a breakup in April and Dolan gives a blank check to a top GM.
They can fire phil the minute the draft ends. Not really against him handling the pick to be honest.
He's not a PG. He's a small 2 so no.
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He's not a PG. He's a small 2 so no.
i understand that but the triangle works the best with moving the ball, he would be off the ball a lot even playing the point..
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He's not a PG. He's a small 2 so no.
i understand that but the triangle works the best with moving the ball, he would be off the ball a lot even playing the point..
The triangle isn't going to dictate what we pick. I would hope not. Grant wasn't the most triangle-PG ever to say the least, didn't stop phil from taking him.
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He's not a PG. He's a small 2 so no.
i understand that but the triangle works the best with moving the ball, he would be off the ball a lot even playing the point..
Correction: All that we know is that the triangle works best when you have one of the top two shooting guards of all time.
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He's not a PG. He's a small 2 so no.
i understand that but the triangle works the best with moving the ball, he would be off the ball a lot even playing the point..
The triangle isn't going to dictate what we pick. I would hope not. Grant wasn't the most triangle-PG ever to say the least, didn't stop phil from taking him.
i am not saying it should and i am not even saying i want monk, i was just thinking he could be a better fit for the knicks opposed to other teams...
remember westbrook was not considered a point guard coming out either..
To be clear, it is really 5 "picks" including players picked for us in pre-arranged trades. KP, Willy (trade), Cleanthony, Brother of Giannis, and Labeyrie (trade).
I basically dont evaluate the last two as guys picked in the 50s. This is way beyond crapshoot territory even in ok draft years.
What is notable is that only Cleanthony played NCAA. Seems like Phil maybe trusts his European scouting more than his US scouting. Something to watch for this year with our #2s. And even the French PG in the 1st.
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Phil got 2 All Rookie team players and the other was intriguing enough to package in a trade, not up in arms about Phil picks. But we need a new GM for a clear rebuilding direction stance.
To be clear, it is really 5 "picks" including players picked for us in pre-arranged trades. KP, Willy (trade), Cleanthony, Brother of Giannis, and Labeyrie (trade).
I basically dont evaluate the last two as guys picked in the 50s. This is way beyond crapshoot territory even in ok draft years.
What is notable is that only Cleanthony played NCAA. Seems like Phil maybe trusts his European scouting more than his US scouting. Something to watch for this year with our #2s. And even the French PG in the 1st.
Forgot phil was here for the Cleanthony pick. But yeah, with 50s picks I'm not expecting anything.
Just not afraid that Phil would fuck up our pick or anything.
1 of these is not the zame as the others :)
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playing next to Lebron, Simmons, GF, etc.
1 of these is not the zame as the others :)
Well its more like 2 are not the same as 1, but I meant more he fits next to a non-guard Point who can run the offense, wasn't trying to suggest how good each one of those guys are. You can throw in Jokic or Jimmy butler for the sake of argument as well.
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1 of these is not the zame as the others :)
Well its more like 2 are not the same as 1, but I meant more he fits next to a non-guard Point who can run the offense, wasn't trying to suggest how good each one of those guys are. You can throw in Jokic or Jimmy butler for the sake of argument as well.
i know just messing
And 2) there is something crazy going on in the NBA this season were some elite guards have absolutely juiced stats. Like the Sosa-McGwire race, except not steroids-fueled. GF's 23-8.4-5.4 with high steals, blocks, and FG% is really impreesive. But Westbrook is averaging 31-10-10 plus. Harden 29-8-11, dragging an under-talented Rockets team to a 3 seed. Thomas is averaging 29 and 6 with fantastic shooting splits.
Seems like something is going on that is inflating elite guard numbers, and I'd be interested to learn what it is. Coincidence? How games are being officiated? I have a theory -- the NBA is going thru a talent crisis which is being disguised by the fact that it doesnt extend to the top level of talent (although I think the league will feel empty is LeBron retired). There arent 300 rotation worthy players or anything close to it. The problem is exacerbated by players playing fewer minutes and starters, pushing scrubs into bigger roles. And the recent trend of super teams is exposing it more.
And 2) there is something crazy going on in the NBA this season were some elite guards have absolutely juiced stats. Like the Sosa-McGwire race, except not steroids-fueled. GF's 23-8.4-5.4 with high steals, blocks, and FG% is really impreesive. But Westbrook is averaging 31-10-10 plus. Harden 29-8-11, dragging an under-talented Rockets team to a 3 seed. Thomas is averaging 29 and 6 with fantastic shooting splits.
Seems like something is going on that is inflating elite guard numbers, and I'd be interested to learn what it is. Coincidence? How games are being officiated? I have a theory -- the NBA is going thru a talent crisis which is being disguised by the fact that it doesnt extend to the top level of talent (although I think the league will feel empty is LeBron retired). There arent 300 rotation worthy players or anything close to it. The problem is exacerbated by players playing fewer minutes and starters, pushing scrubs into bigger roles. And the recent trend of super teams is exposing it more.
Thats a damn good theory, don't disagree. I've noticed the juice stats across the board, not just the PG position.
I mean look no further than the Wolves. They have (had) 3 20-point scorers (and pretty efficient ones at that) and that didn't really translate.
Another theory could be there are more 3 point attempts than every before, and that means defenders running around more chasing off shooters beyond the arc, which leads to overall energy expenditure, making it hard to play defense later in games and throughout the season.
Also, whats the number of possessions compared to years past? Everyones been trying to emulate the Warriors, so more faster paced teams = more stats in general.
I wonder if all the stats are adjusted according to pace, this year just doesn't stand out that much more compared to other years in recent history.
Also, comparing to Giannis to those other stats inflated PGs: I don't think any of them even sniff Giannis's defensive impact (at least the ones you listed).
It would be interesting to see how he is defended in the playoffs. But if you throw on a bigger defender onto him, then you have to see how Middleton is guarded. Last night, Allen Crabbe was guarding Middleton, but Middleton constantly just posted him up. And while Crabbe was doing a good job of trying to keep him off his spot, he conceded a few inches (and Crabbe has good size for a 2 guard) and there just wasn't anything he could really do.
After rotating bigger guys onto Giannis, I wonder how much you can actually prevent before guys like Middleton and Brogdon have favorable matchups/mismatches.
I'm not a big Snell guy, but he also has good size for a wing and can get his shot off pretty easily when smaller defenders are on him (shooting 40% from 3).
I concede there is a clear big 5, after that I like Monk the most.
Realistically, I like Smith the most after Fultz/Ball/Jackson, but I just know Phil will scoff at the notion of picking him.
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I concede there is a clear big 5, after that I like Monk the most.
Realistically, I like Smith the most after Fultz/Ball/Jackson, but I just know Phil will scoff at the notion of picking him. Monk's high school tape - ( New Window )
Idk, Jamaal Murray was playing literally the same exact role last year and he doesn't look anymore like a playmaking guard than he was at UK.
There was a game where Fox didn't play this year and Monk had like 2 assists.
Just to be clear, I'd take Monk over Murray, but the fact that he's averaging almost as many TOs as assists for not being a lead guard is extremely concerning if you are expecting him to be a 1 in the NBA.
Is Juwan Evans coming out? Can he make it to our second round pick?