As all Knicks fans probably know, there is now considerable discussion that Melo will waive his no-trade and leave after this season. Two benefits to the Knicks are obvious: cap room, and the opportunity to pursue a an athletic, quick small forward along with a pass-first point guard, between free agency with cash to spend, and the draft.
The question I have is simple: do the Knicks actually get anything back for Melo? What might that be? Draft pick? Rotation player? What?
yeah i know it is a good problem to have...
unless the knicks feel he is head and shoulders above the other 2 i would have no problem them passing on ball
Unless they can an unprotected 1st from either of them, I would prefer they just buy him out in the off-season. I think his trade value is very low, but his basketball value could be valuable to the right team. Either way its time to end it.
Also, Ball's father wouldn't bother me one bit.
I love Jackson (not that I don't like Ball) but totally agree on the father.
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Impressive scoring in that clip. Everything I have seen from Jackson has been incredibly impressive. In a "normal" year, he would be a consensus number 1 pick. I would love him on the Knicks but honestly I just want a good guard- especially point guard. As a fan, I have been starved for guard play from the Knicks. Not the smartest way to build a team, just fan thinking.
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who really doesn't have any plus NBA skills at this point. Now, he might develop some, and if he does he could really by something. Otherwise, I think he's a very good energy guy who will play good defense and occasionally post a big offensive game. Good pick, not a great pick.
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/843631222098219008
Impressive scoring in that clip. Everything I have seen from Jackson has been incredibly impressive. In a "normal" year, he would be a consensus number 1 pick. I would love him on the Knicks but honestly I just want a good guard- especially point guard. As a fan, I have been starved for guard play from the Knicks. Not the smartest way to build a team, just fan thinking.
I like Jackson but I dont think he'd be a consensus #1 in a "normal year". Looking back 15 drafts, he def doesnt get taken over Simmons, KAT, Davis, Wall, Griffin, Rose, Oden, Doward, Lebron, Yao -- i.e. at least 10 of the last 15 #1s.
I dont think the tippy top of this draft is special although Im warmed to Fultz at least being a Wall-level prospect. The specialness of this draft as far as I can tell is where the Knicks pick -- we're likely at 5-6-7 to get a player who would go 2-3 in most drafts. And thereafter -- getting a Fox or Monk as you creep up on #10 overall is crazy good value.
He is a very advanced handle for a 6'8" guy. He also isn't as bad of a shooter as people were claiming when he came in. Shooting a decent percentage from 3 and can hit pull up Js. Probably the best defensive prospect of the top 7 (maybe the only one that's considered above average at this point).
I don't think he has some crazy start potential but I think he can be an Iggy-type pseudo-PG, 2nd/3rd banana.
After the top 4 guys (Ball, Fultz, Jackson, Tatum) I am taking Fox.
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in the minority view but I'm not yet sold on Fox. Not saying he can't be good. Just think there are a few non-PG's I'd pass on Fox for.
After the top 4 guys (Ball, Fultz, Jackson, Tatum) I am taking Fox.
Not me. Not even close. Fox is rail thinwith very little touch on his jumper which doesn't give me much hope in regard to his 3 point shooting (23%!!!) but with that touch I don't think that's ever going to change. Really reminds me of Jennings. I'd go Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith, Markkanen, Isaac, then Fox.
Obviously not trying to say Jackson is going to become Kawhi, but from scouting reports there are many similar attributes. Jackson probably has a more advanced handle/shot coming out of school. Kawhi Leonard is a special case. I think work ethic wise, there may not be many athletes in the world at his level. But I think Jackson brings a similar intensity, at least on defense.
If I'm drafting Jackson I'm playing him at the point in the next few summer leagues and for stretches in regular season games. I think he really has that good of a handle. He can work out of PnRs. Always finds the open man.
I don't like the red flags on Smith. KNee injury. Attitude concerns. He might be a superior talent but I don't like those things.
I'd be cool with Isaac because his ceiling is really high. I am not a Markkanen fan.
I like Willy's potential but if I'm Phil Jackson, Hernangomez is not factoring into my plans in this draft. Fit with KP is what matters.
Not me. Not even close. Fox is rail thinwith very little touch on his jumper which doesn't give me much hope in regard to his 3 point shooting (23%!!!) but with that touch I don't think that's ever going to change. Really reminds me of Jennings. I'd go Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith, Markkanen, Isaac, then Fox.
The jumper is a legit concern, but you can't seriously talk about Fox' weight when you've been hyping up Isaac at the same time.
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Not me. Not even close. Fox is rail thinwith very little touch on his jumper which doesn't give me much hope in regard to his 3 point shooting (23%!!!) but with that touch I don't think that's ever going to change. Really reminds me of Jennings. I'd go Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith, Markkanen, Isaac, then Fox.
The jumper is a legit concern, but you can't seriously talk about Fox' weight when you've been hyping up Isaac at the same time.
Have you watched either of the two play? Fox goes flying when pushed. Can't even finish with contact. Plays like that on defense too. Isaac is a much more physical player. It's like KP vs like Brandon Ingram. KPs physicality makes him much more successful at his current weight than Ingram at the same stage.
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When Melo is no longer there
I can't see you just changing teams that easily....oh wait.
Warriors or Knicks? hmm..
Well that's not true either. Makes me think YOU'VE never seen him play.
His ability to stick onto an opponent like velcro is still evident whether the opposing guard is working around an off-ball screen or driving to the paint. While his tenacity is an incredibly fun thing to watch, it’s more impressive to know that he’s able to do this while only averaging 3 fouls per 40 minutes. That average actually stands as one of the lowest among SEC point guards.
Fox’s knack of being an aggressive defender without getting in regular foul trouble has a lot to do with body control and great footwork. Those two traits are evident in the play below as Fox is able to stick to the Louisville cutter from the perimeter to the paint for the opposition gets called for a travel.
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Granted I haven't see a lot of FSU games, and when I do he's on the bench more than he's playing thanks to Hamilton's style. I just don't see the dynamic movement skills to get excited about.
Fox scares me as well, especially his reluctance to shoot. I would be fine taking him around 10. Taking him top 5 or around 5 would scare me.
Matt Jones of Kentucky sports radio (big time U.K. homer) says he fears for whoever is going to take him in the draft.
He has defensive upside, but U.K. Hasn't but shutting down opposing PGs to say the least.
Granted I haven't see a lot of FSU games, and when I do he's on the bench more than he's playing thanks to Hamilton's style. I just don't see the dynamic movement skills to get excited about.
Strongly disagree. Really impressive handle for a guy that height. Runs the court like a gazelle. Granted these are just highlights but it gives you an idea of his skillset. I could see KP/Isaac being a fantastic duo protecting the rim. How often do you see a 6'10 kid block a shot, grab the loose ball and take it up the court on a fast break?
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For me he's behind the big 5 and Monk.
Don't want to worry about future salary at this point, but if you think about the Hawks and Dennis Schroeder, is schroeder really taking you places that say Corey Joseph can't? He's going to be making $25M a year.
I know the Knicks have a PG problem for a while now, but I'm not reaching to take a guy who might become a slightly above average starting PG vs taking Tatum (who could be a danny granger type) or Isaac (who might deservedly earn the "unicorn" label).
For me he's behind the big 5 and Monk.
I'm a defender of Monk, but not for the Knicks. You'll need a big PG that can guard 2s, and those don't really exist. Monk doesn't really make sense for any team in the top 5 outside of Philly, where he is a match made in heaven.
If I'm the Knicks I'm not even worrying about monk unless they finish the season like 10-2 and pick around 8-9.
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He'll never be big enough to be the 4 with his body type, and at the 3 he's probably a 7 on the athletic scale compared to other NBA SF's.
For me he's behind the big 5 and Monk.
I'm a defender of Monk, but not for the Knicks. You'll need a big PG that can guard 2s, and those don't really exist. Monk doesn't really make sense for any team in the top 5 outside of Philly, where he is a match made in heaven.
If I'm the Knicks I'm not even worrying about monk unless they finish the season like 10-2 and pick around 8-9.
We agree here. I am not a Monk fan at all. If he had better PG skills I might be more inclined to like him.
Wait is that possible?
I thought anyone who finished out of the top 3 is guaranteed at least where they finished in the standings. I thought it's only those who finish bottom 3 run the risk of picking lower than where they end up (and only 4th at worst).
Correct me if I'm wrong, probably an.
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. With our luck, though, we might finish 5th and still pick 8th.
Wait is that possible?
I thought anyone who finished out of the top 3 is guaranteed at least where they finished in the standings. I thought it's only those who finish bottom 3 run the risk of picking lower than where they end up (and only 4th at worst).
Correct me if I'm wrong, probably an.
Top 3 of the draft is based off the lottery. 4th and down is based on record of the teams not in the top 3. Essentially, the lottery is only for the top 3 selections.
But thats only possible if 3 teams that finish with a better record than the Knicks all "win" the lottery and pick top 3 right?
He's regressed in the sense that after his rookie year everyone was expecting prime-Dirk offense with prime-KG defense and that didn't happen.
He's doing just as well as Dirk did year 2.
I still think that narrative came majorly from the first few weeks after he came back from the injury where he just was not the same considering how great he looked at the beginning of the season. I think he just wasn't playing healthy.
As for the lottery, i do believe the 5 to 8 scenario only plays out under the circumstances you mentioned.