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How long do the Giants wait for Hankins?

blueblood : 3/22/2017 10:35 am
This is really starting to border on the weird now. The only offer we have seen reported from another team is Miami one year 4 million. He hasnt been reported as taking visits anywhere to other teams (there was a Denver rumor I believe but I didnt see a report where he visited)

He and his team expected to be paid more than Snacks which in itself is ridiculous because anyone with eyes can see Snacks is a better player. They REALLY overvalued his market and now according to various BBI and media reports he has a 1-2 year deal for around 7 million ish on the table..

Hankins is 24.. He can take a 1-2 year deal.. improve his stock and STILL be under 27 and get another deal down the line..

The Big Free Agency period is essentially over.. yes there will be some signings here and there.. yes.. Cutler will get a team.. and maybe Peterson..

The Giants have cap room to sign Hankins.. The question is how long do they wait. We know it was the Giants plan in FA to keep the defense together and they should because it was a good defense last year that should only get better. However at what point to they tell him to piss or get off the pot?

who else would they sign at this point?  
YAJ2112 : 3/22/2017 10:37 am : link
I'm thinking they simply wait until he comes back ready to sign, or DT becomes a more important priority come draft time. Not a whole lot else to do at this point.
Not much longer  
Torrag : 3/22/2017 10:39 am : link
I expect if there isn't movement this week they'll go in another direction. As they should.
YAJ2112  
Torrag : 3/22/2017 10:40 am : link
There are actually several good players available that could slide into our 3T role next to Snacks nicely.
How long do they wait?  
Doomster : 3/22/2017 10:41 am : link
Possibly until the draft, when they tell him, if you don't sign by now, we are drafting your replacement....

I agree, his best bet, is to sign a one year show me deal.....with the talent he was surrounded by last season, he should have shown more, and didn't.....

So the harsh reality of what he is worth in the NFL has set in....sign a one year deal, prepare yourself in the offseason, to have a great season, and then get paid, whether by the Giants or someone else....
Interesting on this...listening to Kirwan yesterday  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 3/22/2017 10:42 am : link
on Sirius NFL radio and he seems to think Hankins will hold out until the draft to see if somebody gets hurt or something weird might happen so a team needs to sign him to a longer term deal.

At this point, are there better options out there? Unless the Giants take the offer off the table, all things being equal, I see him coming back for the offer currently on the table which seems to be the best one out there.

Now, do we know what is going on in terms of Hankins' side, so who knows.
My guess is Friday  
UConn4523 : 3/22/2017 10:42 am : link
just a gut prediction. Getting business wrapped up by end of week is usually good for all parities.
RE: YAJ2112  
YAJ2112 : 3/22/2017 10:42 am : link
In comment 13402381 Torrag said:
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There are actually several good players available that could slide into our 3T role next to Snacks nicely.


Such as? ... and I'm not trying to be a dick, I honestly have no clue who is still unsigned at this point.
Not sure if they are great options  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/22/2017 10:45 am : link
but Sen'Derrick Marks and Jared Odrick are out there still. Both could probably generate pressure from the 3T if healthy.
If the Giants gave him an ultimatum as reported  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/22/2017 10:47 am : link
I'd expect it to be pretty soon that they'll move on
I hope he knows  
superspynyg : 3/22/2017 10:48 am : link
It is in his best interest to sign before the draft or he may have take a 1 year prove it deal at a very low price.
Odrick is the guy I'd want  
Torrag : 3/22/2017 10:49 am : link
I also would have been good with Tyson Alualu but see the Steelers signed him yesterday.

So the market is drying up. Another reason to be aggressive if there's someone they like even as a stopgap.
This whole process has been strange.  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 10:50 am : link
My guess is he winds up coming back but I guess we'll see. I think either way, a decision will be made this week.
I think Hankins knows the Giants are his last hope  
Steve L : 3/22/2017 10:52 am : link
Hasn't been a ton of interest out there from what I've seen here. Maybe I'm wrong. He'll come crawling back very soon and the Giants have all the leverage.
RE: Odrick is the guy I'd want  
blueblood : 3/22/2017 10:53 am : link
In comment 13402404 Torrag said:
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I also would have been good with Tyson Alualu but see the Steelers signed him yesterday.

So the market is drying up. Another reason to be aggressive if there's someone they like even as a stopgap.


He is the guy I keep looking at. He could fit in as a 3T and I believe he has played a 5T as well. He has good size at 6'5 and long arms to help clog those passing lanes. If he can be a Chris Canty type thats a good fit along the Giants DL.
I don't think the Giants are waiting on Hankins  
SLIM_ : 3/22/2017 11:41 am : link
There isn't a whole lot of money to spend and the Giants set a price on people and they can decide to take or leave. The Giants appear to have money left over to sign Hankins at their price but they aren't flush with money either. He's a nice to have (at their price).

Who are we missing out on?

- Odrick? I think if healthy he can fill a role but isn't a key signing.
- Pasztor? He would compete for a job but is similar to what we have in Hart/Fluker. Guys who have started, are young enough to get better but have shown their current warts on film (and can only play on the right side).

While I don't think they are waiting, a Hankins signing fills a position. Signing either of the other 2 and you go into the draft still looking to replace them.

It's like paint. It's going to dry when it wants to. We can watch it and talk about it but it still will not dry any quicker.
They wait until they need to allocate the money earmarked for  
Deej : 3/22/2017 11:58 am : link
his outstanding offer can be redeployed in another deal. Until then, what is the point of ultimatums etc. If the Giants set a Friday deadline, and it passes, and they make no further signing, why wouldnt that money be available to Hankins on Monday? Spite?

Ultimatums are overrated. I get and give "last, best, final" offers all the time. Usually meaningless except to signal entry into real end stage negotiations. I recently was party to a settlement where a client insisted on giving an ultimatum at X, and settled a week later for nearly 3X.
RE: They wait until they need to allocate the money earmarked for  
jcn56 : 3/22/2017 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13402539 Deej said:
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his outstanding offer can be redeployed in another deal. Until then, what is the point of ultimatums etc. If the Giants set a Friday deadline, and it passes, and they make no further signing, why wouldnt that money be available to Hankins on Monday? Spite?

Ultimatums are overrated. I get and give "last, best, final" offers all the time. Usually meaningless except to signal entry into real end stage negotiations. I recently was party to a settlement where a client insisted on giving an ultimatum at X, and settled a week later for nearly 3X.


I don't think it would magically expire, but if they have a backup plan and they're concerned they might lose out on them, at some point you have to draw the line in the sand and make a move. Otherwise, you could just as easily end up without Hankins or the other player you had in reserve.
RE: RE: They wait until they need to allocate the money earmarked for  
Deej : 3/22/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13402541 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13402539 Deej said:


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his outstanding offer can be redeployed in another deal. Until then, what is the point of ultimatums etc. If the Giants set a Friday deadline, and it passes, and they make no further signing, why wouldnt that money be available to Hankins on Monday? Spite?

Ultimatums are overrated. I get and give "last, best, final" offers all the time. Usually meaningless except to signal entry into real end stage negotiations. I recently was party to a settlement where a client insisted on giving an ultimatum at X, and settled a week later for nearly 3X.



I don't think it would magically expire, but if they have a backup plan and they're concerned they might lose out on them, at some point you have to draw the line in the sand and make a move. Otherwise, you could just as easily end up without Hankins or the other player you had in reserve.


And that's my point. They wait until they have an acceptable Plan B, at which point they call JH's agent and say "hey we need an answer now because we're in negotiations with another player, and we cant afford both guys." Until then an ultimatum is kind of empty. Unless you make a real run of it -- if that is how you do business and people know it, they can work.
Got it, misread your post to mean they needed it elsewhere  
jcn56 : 3/22/2017 12:24 pm : link
not at the DT position. Still an ultimatum though, IMO - you're basically telling him 'OK, you're not signing by X, then we have to go with plan B and sign this other guy'.
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