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What exactly is Flowers issue?

Thats Gold, Jerry : 3/22/2017 11:13 am
I read quite a bit on the Giants as well as participate here and everything I have read says Flowers is the kind of guy you want at LT. First, he is huge, has good feet, athletically he is excellent for a man his size and he has a mean, nasty attitude. We have seen how durable and tough he is as he has not missed a game since being a Giant and fought through a nasty ankle injury in his first year. He has long arms and strong hands. He is very good in the run game.

I have read and heard all of this from people like Eric, Pat Traina, Ralph V and many others. The big issue, especially in the pass game, seems to be technique and working to improve that technique. He has an issue with penalties as we are all aware.

For my uninitiated brain, this tells me his work ethic may be poor and that he has a problem working to accept coaching to better his technique and then continuing to work at it. Sounds to me like he is hardheaded and remains very immature. I understand he is still very young. I've always thought playing left tackle is more about having good technique than anything else. All the rest is a bonus but if you have lousy technique, your career will be short.

So, for those who know better, why hasn't his technique improved. He certainly has had coaches with great credentials and he seems to have all the other intangibles. Why hasn't he got any better from year 1 to year two?
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Rflairr : 3/22/2017 6:07 pm : link
Ereck Flowers‏Verified account @Eflow_74

Feeling more alive than ever
Let's see what he does this year  
Tuckrule : 3/23/2017 6:32 am : link
Playing alongside a healthy Justin Pugh can make Flowers look a lot better. He's raw and he's young. He's tough as shit and will get better. If the Giants were so worried we would have signed someone and they did not which shows me they have confidence in him figuring this out. It's a big year for him and I expect a nice improvement. You can see based on him lashing out at that reporter last year that he cares a lot about his craft and takes pride in himself. I have all the confidence in the world that he plays much better this season and we'll revisit all these threads and mock them. In flowers I trust!!
RE: It is NOT slow feet as others have been stating  
djstat : 3/23/2017 9:13 am : link
In comment 13402540 PatersonPlank said:
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I have read from almost every scout/analyst that his feet are good. Its hands and balance, which is technique and can be fixed.
Scouts say he has good feet. Tape says otherwise. Watch his footwork. He cannot play guard because he doesn't have the feet to pull/trap
Finally - objectivity vs just bashing a 20 & 21 year old Flowers  
GMen23 : 3/23/2017 9:28 am : link
Thanks to "That's Gold, Jerry", for bracketing a conversation on Flowers not meeting the expectations of a #9 OT 20 year old.

The Sunday before Flowers Draft, I wrote a column on "the Perfect Storm for Schreff". I posted al list of every Offensive linemen Jerry drafted after the 2nd rd. since hitting on Snee in RD 2 of Eli's class. Everyone was garbage. My feeling was if we did not draft a OL in Rd1, we would be forced to draft best offensive linemen in 2nd, period.

Well Washington blew up that theory, and took Schreff at 6. And moved him to Guard anyway. The following year, we could have had Martin, but obviously we didn't do too bad with Odell.

There's a Miami party boat full of Joeckels, and Fishers, drafted higher then 9 at LOT recently who just haven't panned out. At least our guy is only 22.

I would rather have JPP, Ellison, & Marshall, and give this kid another year to refine his craft, then throwing all that money at Whitworth and Wagner.

Get it together Ereck. Some us did not give up on you yet.
Is the off season line coaching  
NNJ Tom : 3/23/2017 9:29 am : link
the new Run the Hill?

If so, he needs to do it.
I'd be happy if  
mrvax : 3/23/2017 9:45 am : link
EF's technique improved this year. It would cut down on penalties.
agree with RAIN  
JonC : 3/23/2017 9:49 am : link
and throw in it seemed clear he'd lost a ton of confidence as the struggles wore on.

He did play well in the playoff game.
RE: Finally - objectivity vs just bashing a 20 & 21 year old Flowers  
PatersonPlank : 3/23/2017 11:14 am : link
In comment 13403629 GMen23 said:
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Thanks to "That's Gold, Jerry", for bracketing a conversation on Flowers not meeting the expectations of a #9 OT 20 year old.

The Sunday before Flowers Draft, I wrote a column on "the Perfect Storm for Schreff". I posted al list of every Offensive linemen Jerry drafted after the 2nd rd. since hitting on Snee in RD 2 of Eli's class. Everyone was garbage. My feeling was if we did not draft a OL in Rd1, we would be forced to draft best offensive linemen in 2nd, period.

Well Washington blew up that theory, and took Schreff at 6. And moved him to Guard anyway. The following year, we could have had Martin, but obviously we didn't do too bad with Odell.

There's a Miami party boat full of Joeckels, and Fishers, drafted higher then 9 at LOT recently who just haven't panned out. At least our guy is only 22.

I would rather have JPP, Ellison, & Marshall, and give this kid another year to refine his craft, then throwing all that money at Whitworth and Wagner.

Get it together Ereck. Some us did not give up on you yet.


+1. Flowers actually has panned out better than a some of those guys. He's only 22, has two years experience, and I am still hopeful he can become a really good player. He has all the skills.
Cnewk probably analyzed 2016 NYG OLine play...  
Racer : 3/23/2017 11:22 am : link
..better than anyone outside of the Metlife/Timex compound and it's all there in the archive.

He was less critical overall than the mob, the national media, etc, but EF definitely took his turn breaking down a few plays each game.

Agree that his lack of ability to rebound when he had a bad series or two was noticable.
He drops his hands  
WillieYoung : 3/23/2017 12:09 pm : link
and then is slow to recover. Keeps him from getting a good punch to stop the DE's momentum. often ends up with his hands outside the DE's frame which results in holding penalties even when his footwork is good.
If I was McAdoo...  
EricJ : 3/23/2017 12:14 pm : link
I would hire a karate coach for Flowers. Get him into a serious Karate program right now during the off season before his schedule gets too crazy.

Karate is excellent in providing a combination of balance, attack and defense all at the same time. For those of you who are not millenials, Andre Tippet of the Pats was a blackbelt. He points to Karate as a huge reason why he was able to win vs the O-lineman. You learn how to get your opponent off balance too.

In fact, I would be getting the OLs, DLs and LBs all on this program.
RE: agree with RAIN  
David in LA : 3/23/2017 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13403659 JonC said:
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and throw in it seemed clear he'd lost a ton of confidence as the struggles wore on.

He did play well in the playoff game.


Let's hope the Flowers we saw that game is the one we see this next year.
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