NFT: Sports Question - incompetent owners

"Woody Johnson"? :-)

Only someone born into immense wealth could get away with that.

was the championship that Switzer won with the Cowboys after JJ told Johnson to go pound sand.

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and yes, an truly incompetent owner did: George Steinbrenner.

Interesting how the building of both Yankees WS championship runs happened while George was suspended from baseball. At least the 2nd time he stayed out of it for the most part when he returned and allowed it to continue. The first time he ruined it.

When he was forced to leave the team alone, it prospered. Sort of like what happened when the NFL came in to mediate the feud between the Maras. Take out the meddling child, bring in the responsible adult supervision, ship is righted.

Which makes you wonder if the NBA stepped in and forced Dolan to stay 150 feet away from the Knicks and MSG for a couple of years, if the stink would come off the organization, or if there's too much of it rotten on the inside for it to cleanse that quickly.

In some ways, for certain periods of time, he absolutely was incompetent. In other ways, he was fantastically successful. While his suspension led to the rebirth of the Yankees, he was reinstated in 1993, a full three years before the first title of the dynasty teams. There were innumerable ways he could have fucked it all up had he continued to run the franchise the way he did in his incompetent mid-late '80s way. Whether that was just dumb luck or because he actually did learn a bit from his mistakes, it did happen.

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In comment 13402590 giants#1 said:

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what exactly have the Skins won since he's been owner?

Georgia Frontiere - Rams (1999 Superbowl) or
Marge Schott -- Reds (1990 World Series)

You may not like his style, but he certainly wasn't incompetent. Looking back he is a lot like Trump. Manages with a lot of controversy, not afraid to shake things up (many times), unorthodox and not by any book, but he gets results. There is a management style like this, it keeps everyone on their toes and also creates a lot of change. Rather than stick with someone or a certain philosophy, keep changing until you find something that works.

In comment 13402611 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 13402590 giants#1 said: Quote: . what exactly have the Skins won since he's been owner?

Oops, meant Dan Gilbert of the Cavs

... Steinbrenner "before Steinbrenner". Great teams - won three championships in a row i think in early 1970's

Lost LeBron, took a mean run at LeBron in public, team fell apart and stayed apart, LeBron decided to return home thru no effort of Gilbert, and they've made some very, very questionable personnel decisions since LeBron came back; it just doesnt really matter that much when you have LeBron and SOME talent.

In comment 13402640 RobCarpenter said:

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Georgia Frontiere - Rams (1999 Superbowl) or Marge Schott -- Reds (1990 World Series)

Those are great choices.

and How about Dan Gilbert - Cavs?

I've also heard nothing but awful things about Tom Benson (Saints - 2008) and Malcolm Glazer (Bucs - 2001), though i suppose being an asshole doesnt necessarily = incompetent.

In comment 13402647 PatersonPlank said:

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You may not like his style, but he certainly wasn't incompetent. Looking back he is a lot like Trump. Manages with a lot of controversy, not afraid to shake things up (many times), unorthodox and not by any book, but he gets results. There is a management style like this, it keeps everyone on their toes and also creates a lot of change. Rather than stick with someone or a certain philosophy, keep changing until you find something that works.

his results STUNK when left on his own to do as he wished. Gabe Paul built the first championship teams while GS was banned. He left after the title run because he couldn't take it anymore. GS then drove out Al Rosen for the same reason. They had 3 managers in 1982. The endles Billy crap, trading of prospects (Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps, Willie McGee for Bob Sykes just 2 examples), the bullying, scapegoating of good young players (Bobby Meachem) retooling completely (who can forget the Dave Collins Bronx Burners) every year leading to the collapse from 1989-1992. If not for the Howie Spira (another brilliant example of GSs idiocy) suspension I doubt they ever get out of that tailspin.

Credit where due: he left Gene Michael in charge during the suspension, and seemed to learn from prior experience and left him alone to continue the rebuild when he returned.

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... Steinbrenner "before Steinbrenner". Great teams - won three championships in a row i think in early 1970's

Finley was not incompetent. A little wacky for sure, but he built that team from shit and they were STACKED. Only free agency kept them from winning ALOT more.

owning Cleveland and it still would've worked out the same.

Lebron joined a team that had 3 #1 picks the year in the span in which he left. If Lebron never left, I can't confidently say he would've had a ring with the teams they were surrounding him with.

Though I'm guessing she does nothing at Invesco Field but drink martinis and let Elway make the decisions.

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Beer Fest ?

In a supporting role.

In comment 13402640 RobCarpenter said:

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Georgia Frontiere - Rams (1999 Superbowl) or Marge Schott -- Reds (1990 World Series)

This has been posted before but I love the story of Georgia Frontiere and the stolen Lombardi Trophy from Super Bowl V, especially since Ernie Accorsi and George Young are part of it.
There Are Many Who Believe Georgia Is the Original Trophy Wife - ( New Window )

In comment 13402780 MetsAreBack said:

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Though I'm guessing she does nothing at Invesco Field but drink martinis and let Elway make the decisions.

YIKES!!!!

...that back in 1999, Team Dolan was pretty close to buying the Jets when they were outbid by Woody Johnson.
Imagine that. James D owning an NFL team. Well, they couldn't have been that much worse than what the team has been lately, right?
Right?

In comment 13402531 Greg from LI said:

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My first thought, but I don't think the Boss was incompetent. He actually had a pretty good eye for talent, but too often went for the shiniest object out there, whether it was a team need or not.

And for all of the talk about the Yankee dynasty being built while he was suspended (which is true), he did win 4 pennants and 2 championships in the 70's-early 80's.

Damn, I can't believe I just defended George Steinbrenner. I must be mellowing with age.

His biggest failings were being incredibly cheap and refusing to adapt to the reality of free agency. On the other hand, he was a shrewd judge of talent - part of his cheapness meant that he was pretty much his own one-man front office. He was the man who built the A's dynasty.

Definitely fits the call of the question.

This franchise was an absolute laughing stock for a long time. Welly wasn't just a sweet old man who sat on a collapsible stool on the sidelines during practice.

It's a good thing the Maras asked Rozelle to step in and settle family business, and we got George Young.

Otherwise we could still be in the dark.

In comment 13402956 glowrider said:

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Definitely fits the call of the question. This franchise was an absolute laughing stock for a long time. Welly wasn't just a sweet old man who sat on a collapsible stool on the sidelines during practice. It's a good thing the Maras asked Rozelle to step in and settle family business, and we got George Young. Otherwise we could still be in the dark.

decade and a half. And when Well ran just the football side while Jack ran the business, they were quite successful. When Well had to do it all after Jack died is when things got bad.