According to the Miami Herald's Armando Salguero, the Dolphins have called free agent DT Johnathan Hankins "at least half a dozen times."
The Dolphins and Giants have been the only teams linked to Hankins, who remains the top free agent left on the market. Miami wants Hankins at its price, but to this point he hasn't been willing to budge and is holding firm in wanting a multi-year contract. It simply doesn't look like it's going to happen for him. If he's willing to take a discount, the Dolphins are waiting with arms wide open. |
As a fan,I don't understand why you would get upset at something that simply does not affect you.
It's amazing how invested people can be in some one else's money. Relax. This is his future,not yours.
Hankins at $4M would be a great signing for them. Absolute steal at that rate.
No idea why he'd pass up $7M here, though. I get wanting to build his value, but he'd be next to Suh there. Would he get an ounce of credit for any improvement?
Just asshat info posted here that suggested it was 1/7. Nothing else outside of BBI.
Are you really making serious personell decisions based on whether we get a 5th or 6th round compensatory pick next year?
Are you really making serious personell decisions based on whether we get a 5th or 6th round compensatory pick next year? [/quote]
If you told me the choices were Hankins on a one year 6/7 mil prove it deal vs one year deal for Odrick @ say 4 mil (no idea if that's realistic) & a 4/5th round pick w/ 2-3 mil leftover to spend elsewhere, then yea it would factor in. If we could lock him up longer, then the story is different, but if the choice were one year of either (and one could argue that Odrick fits the role the Giants need better, albeit hes older and more beat up). Sanu netted the Bengals the top 4th round comp pick last year off of a 6.5 mil contract. Hence why I said it all depends on what type of deal Hankins has in hand from Giants and what hes getting elsewhere. If the best Hankins has in hand elsewhere is a 1 year 4 mil deal then obviously we'd get little to nothing in compensation.
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and as a fan, I'm getting increasingly annoyed with him...not that he cares.
As a fan,I don't understand why you would get upset at something that simply does not affect you.
It's amazing how invested people can be in some one else's money. Relax. This is his future,not yours.
Agreed. How often is someone in the position to try and negotiate the best income possible for themselves? He should rush the process just to make fans happy?
Nothing wrong with Hankins trying to get as much as possible. Think he's just realizing it won't be as much as he hoped for.
Why would the Jaguars sign another DT?
Last year, they gave DT Malik Jackson a 6-year, $85M contract.
This year, they gave DT Calais Campbell a 4-year, $60M contract.
I believe they're playing a 4-3 defense, so Campbell will more than likely be playing DT next to Jackson.
I don't think it's a reflection of Hankins is Coughlin doesn't go after him. They've invested heavily in DT the past two FA periods so it wouldn't make sense to sign Hankins to keep him on the bench and rotate in.
Are you really making serious personell decisions based on whether we get a 5th or 6th round compensatory pick next year?
If you told me the choices were Hankins on a one year 6/7 mil prove it deal vs one year deal for Odrick @ say 4 mil (no idea if that's realistic) & a 4/5th round pick w/ 2-3 mil leftover to spend elsewhere, then yea it would factor in. If we could lock him up longer, then the story is different, but if the choice were one year of either (and one could argue that Odrick fits the role the Giants need better, albeit hes older and more beat up). Sanu netted the Bengals the top 4th round comp pick last year off of a 6.5 mil contract. Hence why I said it all depends on what type of deal Hankins has in hand from Giants and what hes getting elsewhere. If the best Hankins has in hand elsewhere is a 1 year 4 mil deal then obviously we'd get little to nothing in compensation. [/quote]
All that justification for what is really just a bad idea. First of all, trading a known commodity in Hankins for a possible 4th or 5th round pick is just ridiculous. Second, Jared Odrick is a marginal player. He's admitted he hasn't been right since his foot injuries early in his career, and now he's coming back from shoulder surgery. He'd be a major downgrade from Hank at any cost. If it's a situation where the difference in their deals is so,edging around 2 mill I'd see it as a pretty major failure by the FO. And I'm certainly not a bashed of Reese and Co.
I keep reminding myself this isn't about us, it's not an insult to me if a guy is slow to sign or goes elsewhere for more money or for the chance to start and maybe excel.
These guys didn't grow up fans of our team; a lot of us have been fans of the Giants way longer than they've been alive. For us, it's an emotional attachment. For the players, though, the Giants are just another potential employer. They're not sentimental. It's business. They take the offer that does the most for them. As we all would, in the same situation. The Giants are known to be a good organization to work for. That matters. It might not matter more than an extra several million dollars a year though.
I keep reminding myself this isn't about us, it's not an insult to me if a guy is slow to sign or goes elsewhere for more money or for the chance to start and maybe excel.
These guys didn't grow up fans of our team; a lot of us have been fans of the Giants way longer than they've been alive. For us, it's an emotional attachment. For the players, though, the Giants are just another potential employer. They're not sentimental. It's business. They take the offer that does the most for them. As we all would, in the same situation. The Giants are known to be a good organization to work for. That matters. It might not matter more than an extra several million dollars a year though.
I agree for the most part, the difference here is it appears we are not asking for a hometown discount, we seem to be the highest bidder at this point
And I have every sympathy with players trying to get the most they can. It just seems here that the market has spoken.
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trying to create down there??
Hankins at $4M would be a great signing for them. Absolute steal at that rate.
No idea why he'd pass up $7M here, though. I get wanting to build his value, but he'd be next to Suh there. Would he get an ounce of credit for any improvement?
I agree he may be making a mistake but again, no one knows whT the guaranteed signing bonus is. So he may be willing to take a one year prove it deal if he things next year he can cash in. Sure he's risking injury and a down year but I'm sure he thought he was getting better offers
Also the chances of a third contract big contract for NTs is proably pretty rare. He's trying to cash in and must be pretty crushed.
The evidence agrees that so far Hankins is just a good starter. But still, it's only an assumption. The defense certainly sucked in 2015 when he was out most of the season. The defense was great when he played all year.
Most likely Harrison make Hankins look good last season. But maybe Hankins made Harrison look like a 1st team All Pro instead of just a really good run-stuffer.
With 5.5 sacks though...
And I have every sympathy with players trying to get the most they can. It just seems here that the market has spoken.
We want him to try to maintain continuity on a defense that was one of the best in the NFL last season. He might not merit the same value to another team has he does here. He's certainly overplaying his hand it seems, as at some point the Giants will have to decide whether that's a hole they want to fill in FA or the draft, and if it's the former they're going to eventually sign someone else if it doesn't seem Hankins is coming back.
He fits here, so I still have interest. We already know it works. At this point it's too late to look for an upgrade, unless you make DT an early draft priority.
Agreed, but in fairness, how many good DTs are 25(March 29th)?