I'll be honest, never gave him much of a thought at 23 due to the fact that I felt like he was destined to go easily in the top 20.
Apparently, this is the 2nd straight mock draft that Kiper has given the Giants Barnett.
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I figure the question is: Do the guys or guy that falls interest the Giants? If it's Barnett, sure. Deshaun Watson, maybe, maybe not.
I would be somewhat surprised if he is taken before the Giants pick.
I think OT and DE are two positions NYG will not use a 1st round pick on
I think OT and DE are two positions NYG will not use a 1st round pick on
DE, no, but you don't think they'll look at one of these offensive tackles? Or is your statement more about the quality of player at the position?
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to anyone's mock draft...no point...but with that said
I think OT and DE are two positions NYG will not use a 1st round pick on
DE, no, but you don't think they'll look at one of these offensive tackles? Or is your statement more about the quality of player at the position?
Any OT you get at 23 likely won't be starting LT caliber. Thus, you are simply adding another mediocre/risky/project type player to the mix. Do they really want another one of those?
I'd probably take this over someone who has a ton of athletic ability and doesn't use it..
DE because of the amount of money tied into the position and everyone is saying you can get a starting caliber guy into the 3rd round. I think that's better value for us.
OT for the exact reason Sy said.
The more I think about it I think we're going offensive skilled position with our first pick.
They just re-signed John Jerry to a 3 year deal. They are not going to draft Lamp.
DT
RB
LB
I think one of those positions will be NYG first pick.
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I disagree about starting caliber OL at 23. You don't think Lamp is a day 1 starter at RG?
They just re-signed John Jerry to a 3 year deal. They are not going to draft Lamp.
I'm a bit perplexed by this logic. Just because we have a guy signed for 3 years for being an average starter/great depth guy doesn't mean we can't take a OL of the now/future in the first...or maybe I'm wrong. If the Giants aren't taking OL because of Jerry, I'd say that's extremely poor reasoning.
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I disagree about starting caliber OL at 23. You don't think Lamp is a day 1 starter at RG?
They just re-signed John Jerry to a 3 year deal. They are not going to draft Lamp.
I'm a bit perplexed by this logic. Just because we have a guy signed for 3 years for being an average starter/great depth guy doesn't mean we can't take a OL of the now/future in the first...or maybe I'm wrong. If the Giants aren't taking OL because of Jerry, I'd say that's extremely poor reasoning.
3 years at $10 million....that is a starter's contract. Sure they could always beef up depth but I think they are set with Bobby Hart being their 6th OL. Bringing in Lamp pretty much means adding a guy to your bench for a year or two. For a great team with minimal holes, thats fine.
But looking elsewhere on the depth chart, NYG needs that first pick to be a guy that is contributing this year unless of course they see a value at QB.
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I disagree about starting caliber OL at 23. You don't think Lamp is a day 1 starter at RG?
They just re-signed John Jerry to a 3 year deal. They are not going to draft Lamp.
If they're counting on John Jerry to be a starter, then they're even more clueless with regards to the OL than I give them credit for. Lamp at 23 will, at the very least, likely be in the mix as BPA if he's still available.
DT
RB
LB
I think one of those positions will be NYG first pick.
I think they'll pick Cunningham, with QB the wild card possibility.
DT
RB
LB
I think one of those positions will be NYG first pick.
Agreed.LB would be my choice, depending.
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I disagree about starting caliber OL at 23. You don't think Lamp is a day 1 starter at RG?
They just re-signed John Jerry to a 3 year deal. They are not going to draft Lamp.
I'm a bit perplexed by this logic. Just because we have a guy signed for 3 years for being an average starter/great depth guy doesn't mean we can't take a OL of the now/future in the first...or maybe I'm wrong. If the Giants aren't taking OL because of Jerry, I'd say that's extremely poor reasoning.
3 years at $10 million....that is a starter's contract. Sure they could always beef up depth but I think they are set with Bobby Hart being their 6th OL. Bringing in Lamp pretty much means adding a guy to your bench for a year or two. For a great team with minimal holes, thats fine.
But looking elsewhere on the depth chart, NYG needs that first pick to be a guy that is contributing this year unless of course they see a value at QB.
I can't see them benching Hart. Move Jerry to bench....He is what he is- borderline starter/good backup.
Fluker is RG
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DE because of the amount of money tied into the position and everyone is saying you can get a starting caliber guy into the 3rd round. I think that's better value for us.
OT for the exact reason Sy said.
The more I think about it I think we're going offensive skilled position with our first pick.
TE then? Be very surprised if they take a WR with our current trio. Unless they love mccafery can't see an RB either. And with this team built to win now don't see a qb
I think OT and DE are two positions NYG will not use a 1st round pick on
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I think OT and DE are two positions NYG will not use a 1st round pick on
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But, like Sy, I doubt we draft a DE or OT in round 1.
DE because of the amount of money tied into the position and everyone is saying you can get a starting caliber guy into the 3rd round. I think that's better value for us.
OT for the exact reason Sy said.
The more I think about it I think we're going offensive skilled position with our first pick.
TE then? Be very surprised if they take a WR with our current trio. Unless they love mccafery can't see an RB either. And with this team built to win now don't see a qb
This team is built to win now for sure but how often does a draft pick in the 20s make such a determining impact? Rarely ever. We have to find the best guy at 23 for not only this year but for the future. A Qb like (Trubisky or Watson) might just be that guy. However a guy like John Ross who takes the top off and stretches those cover 2 defenses that plagued us could be the best for the future and for now. Or possibly match up nightmares like Njoku or Engram to help split the seam, also good vs the cover 2. Or maybe a RB who's an actual threat to help sell our weak ass play action.