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NFT: New York Islanders at New York Rangers, 8pm Game Thread

pganut : 3/22/2017 1:06 pm
From the network that brings you the marvel that is Pierre McGuire, Rivalry Night on NBCSN.

Rivalry? Sure. Playoff intensity tonight? Leaning towards not. Isles need to start backing up the talk around understanding the task ahead of them to get to the dance. Rangers looking to stay healthy and keep skills reasonably sharp while fairly locked into WC-1. Bit of a more muted feel here today. Regardless, these games always take a life of their own, so we'll probably get some entertaining hockey.

Isles start Thomas Greiss, Blueshirts counter with Raanta (with Lundqvist expected to get 2 of the next 3 on the WC trip). For the Islanders, we see Dougie is paying attention. Seidenberg sits and is replaced by Thomas Hickey. Same forwards. Note, however, the lines at practice show a different configuration: 16-91-12, 27-72-66 (fun!), 29-18-25, and 86-53-15 are reunited. MiLB and I question the need felt to separate Lee from L1, but Ladd has been on fire; his sniper with size role is different (and not in a bad way) than Lee's netfront monolith role, so maybe these rejiggered lines provide the shot we've needed to get back in (successful) attack mode. Isles need at least 4 points out of the next three games in 4 nights (NYR, then B2B in PIT and home against BOS). I think they have to go 9-2 or 8-3-1 at worst to make it.

AV has noted all F and D will be gametime decisions. Lundqvist, Girardi, Klein, Glass, Kampfer, Pirri and Puempel were all on the ice for the NYR morning skate.

Let's Go Islanders

...and Rangers, feel free to take 'er easy if you want. You've worked hard.
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RE: Of course that horseshit goes in  
MetsAreBack : 3/22/2017 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13403430 Greg from LI said:
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Well it gave Pierre an opportunity to blow 'Joshua' ho-sang for the fifth time tonight. Because clearly the pass off two islanders skates into the net was what greats are made of.

We just match up so fucking poorly with this team lol. I'm waiting to go down 2-3 with a minute left. Rinse. Repeat. Against these fucks.
Brutal decision by Grabner  
MetsAreBack : 3/22/2017 10:30 pm : link
These guys dump and chase too much and it leads to senseless delay penalties like that.

Get it out of the system now - it's fine - but these mistakes and this style I don't think lends well to playoff hockey
good job  
JayBinQueens : 3/22/2017 10:31 pm : link
getting it done on the PP so far tonight.

3-2 Isles
LOL..  
arcarsenal : 3/22/2017 10:32 pm : link
I should have known better earlier. We never beat this team. It's bizarre.
Isles  
Fish : 3/22/2017 10:32 pm : link
Playing desperate. They know what's at stake
The PK is a major albatross  
Anakim : 3/22/2017 10:34 pm : link
And I bet AV thinks that Girardi will fix everything.
Come the fuck on  
Route 9 : 3/22/2017 10:37 pm : link
Let's strike and get back into the game
5 minutes left to go  
Anakim : 3/22/2017 10:37 pm : link
Good thing Glass is on the ice
Unbelievable  
Route 9 : 3/22/2017 10:39 pm : link
...
Wow  
Fish : 3/22/2017 10:39 pm : link
Pressure
Missing open nets  
bluesince56 : 3/22/2017 10:39 pm : link
Wow
I would give almost anything to swap AV with Torts  
Anakim : 3/22/2017 10:40 pm : link
AV is a smug little asshole. Can anyone gI've me one reasonable explanation why Tanner Glass is on the ice when we're down 1 with 5 minutes to go?
And now Jesper Fast is on  
Anakim : 3/22/2017 10:43 pm : link
Clearly putting the big guns on the ice
What a fucking joke this team is  
Anakim : 3/22/2017 10:49 pm : link
This team is terrible at home and terrible against Brooklyn. FIX THE FUCKING PENALTY KILL.




Good thing Tanner Glass played
Just one of those nights  
Greg from LI : 3/22/2017 10:49 pm : link
Played really strong hockey late but couldn't get one tongo in while the Islanders get a cheap goal via the pinball method.
Huge  
Fish : 3/22/2017 10:50 pm : link
2 pts. Huge.
AV is such a treasure  
MetsAreBack : 3/22/2017 10:51 pm : link

I think most coaches could take this roster to 100 points a year or at least the playoffs. I do give him credit for young forwards and in general I like the (regular season) speed with which this team plays.

But the bizarre deference to the veteran crap on this roster, refusal to bench anyone but clendening and Buchnevich for mistakes this year (last night for example Holden was the worst player on either team and vesey is so worn down they might as well put a fork in his back on your RB screen... Yet tonight we play two scrubs for the other guys --- 4th line scores 3 goals in 2 games with Buch in line up be damned!!) ... And apparent disdain to get this team ready past few weeks by practicing playoff, tighter hockey even when for once in ten years you actually have nothing to play for for a month (even the caps are playing for something right now)

We lost this game because guys are still trying stretch passes and pretty plays from the D-zone. This lakers shit doesn't work in the playoffs stop it already.
Anak, chill  
Kyle in NY : 3/22/2017 10:55 pm : link
they played well on a back to back against a desperate team with nothing to play for ourselves. Last two goals were some shitty bounces. Just how it seems to go against that team. Amazing all the ways we managed to miss wide open nets.

8 more games of this crap and then we can actually play some games that matter again. Thankfully, cause this sucks
We're in no position to be choosy  
pganut : 3/22/2017 10:59 pm : link
Goals and wins are at a premium for us. The pinball goal is what it is, but we seem to experience that against us a lot so it feels like some evening out. A solid 3rd which are sporadic in frequency for the Isles was great for our side to see. Much needed 2 points.
RE: Anak, chill  
Anakim : 3/22/2017 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13403476 Kyle in NY said:
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they played well on a back to back against a desperate team with nothing to play for ourselves. Last two goals were some shitty bounces. Just how it seems to go against that team. Amazing all the ways we managed to miss wide open nets.

8 more games of this crap and then we can actually play some games that matter again. Thankfully, cause this sucks


If you think the PK is fine and AV playing Tanner Glass and Jesper Fast in the final minutes when we're done is alright, then I don't know what to tell you.
MAB  
Kyle in NY : 3/22/2017 11:00 pm : link
maybe I'm misunderstanding but you're contradicting yourself in one post lamenting too much dump and chase (which I really don't think we do enough of when we need a goal) and in another saying we're trying to play too fancy.

I didn't see a style tonight that worries me, we dominated possession in most instances and missed like 4 empty nets.. But we didn't play our best lineup once again and we probably missed Hank a bit tonight, in addition to some bad bounces
I don't think it's alright  
Kyle in NY : 3/22/2017 11:01 pm : link
you fucking juvenile but your nightly freak outs are ridiculous
Thank  
Fish : 3/22/2017 11:02 pm : link
Goodness for shitty bounces and discredit the grit to pull that out. Down a goal on the road. Rookies bringing some energy and Ladd playing awesome.
RE: MAB  
Anakim : 3/22/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13403481 Kyle in NY said:
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maybe I'm misunderstanding but you're contradicting yourself in one post lamenting too much dump and chase (which I really don't think we do enough of when we need a goal) and in another saying we're trying to play too fancy.

I didn't see a style tonight that worries me, we dominated possession in most instances and missed like 4 empty nets.. But we didn't play our best lineup once again and we probably missed Hank a bit tonight, in addition to some bad bounces



No shit we didn't play our best lineup. Tanner Glass was out there.

But let's be real: you think Girardi and Klein are going to turn this around? I doubt Lundqvist could've had a better game than Raanta did tonight.



And enough with Kampfer, God dammit. Put in Clendening.
RE: I don't think it's alright  
Anakim : 3/22/2017 11:04 pm : link
In comment 13403483 Kyle in NY said:
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you fucking juvenile but your nightly freak outs are ridiculous


Really? We lost fucking back-to-back to inferior teams. We haven't won at home in the last 8 games. How is everything A-OK?
RE: Thank  
Patrick : 3/22/2017 11:06 pm : link
In comment 13403485 Fish said:
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Goodness for shitty bounces and discredit the grit to pull that out. Down a goal on the road. Rookies bringing some energy and Ladd playing awesome.


Agree. Lucky to get two points tonight against a better team. And God help me I'm fascinated by the latest BBI gossip but trying not to give into the temptation to beg for some insight. Also Fuck Sidney Crosby.
I don't understand the Kampfer thing  
Kyle in NY : 3/22/2017 11:08 pm : link
Comes into the lineup to play 10 minutes, which leads to McD playing over 27 minutes on a back to back with playoff seeding locked up. And he took a beating tonight. Makes no sense.

Anak, everything is not ok. It's a flawed team that probably needs another offseason of tweaks before it's really ready to contend. But I'm just not going to freak out over these two games in particular when they did mostly good things and were done in by the randomness of 3-on-3 last night and some bad puck luck tonight. That's hockey.
RE: We're in no position to be choosy  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/22/2017 11:10 pm : link
In comment 13403478 pganut said:
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Goals and wins are at a premium for us. The pinball goal is what it is, but we seem to experience that against us a lot so it feels like some evening out. A solid 3rd which are sporadic in frequency for the Isles was great for our side to see. Much needed 2 points.


Leddy hit the inside of the post less than 15 seconds before the power play that led to the pinball goal. It's all fair game.

Huge win. Fuck you, Columbus.
RE: I don't understand the Kampfer thing  
Anakim : 3/22/2017 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13403492 Kyle in NY said:
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Comes into the lineup to play 10 minutes, which leads to McD playing over 27 minutes on a back to back with playoff seeding locked up. And he took a beating tonight. Makes no sense.

Anak, everything is not ok. It's a flawed team that probably needs another offseason of tweaks before it's really ready to contend. But I'm just not going to freak out over these two games in particular when they did mostly good things and were done in by the randomness of 3-on-3 last night and some bad puck luck tonight. That's hockey.


That's not hockey. Hockey isn't playing Tanner Glass over Pavel Buchnevich because AV thinks we need some grit. Hockey isn't putting Tanner Glass, with one goal on the season, on the ice with 5 minutes to go and down by one. Hockey isn't putting Jesper Fast and his five goals on the season, with two minutes to go.

If this is hockey, this is a poor excuse of hockey. No wins in the last 8 home games. The PK is the worst in the Eastern Conference since New Year's. Losing to two rivals who are clearly inferior to us. AV, during his time here, has made absolutely mind-numbing decisions...and Canucks fans warned us about this too. He has his favorites, he'd rather play veterans than youngsters, he'll overstay his welcome, etc. It's enough.


We're going to make the playoffs, but if we continue to play like this and AV continues to coach like this, we're not going to make it past the first round. But ok, Shattenkirk will fix everything next year., right?..Until AV decides to bench him for Kampfer. Good thing we have a bunch of prospects waiting in the pipeline...oh wait. Well, at least we have draft picks this year...well, at least we have a first rounder this year.
Great game Isles  
B in ALB : 3/22/2017 11:20 pm : link
Safe trip home in the team bus.

RE: Great game Isles  
pganut : 3/22/2017 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13403496 B in ALB said:
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Safe trip home in the team bus.

Shotgun!
RE: RE: Great game Isles  
B in ALB : 3/22/2017 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13403502 pganut said:
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In comment 13403496 B in ALB said:


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Safe trip home in the team bus.



Shotgun!


Stink finger served cold and old. Enjoy!
That game sucked  
Davisian : 3/23/2017 1:06 am : link
But at least we all learned what is hockey from Anak...

Thanks, bud.
RE: That game sucked  
Anakim : 3/23/2017 1:12 am : link
In comment 13403545 Davisian said:
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But at least we all learned what is hockey from Anak...

Thanks, bud.


Well, I taught what hockey is NOT
RE: RE: We're in no position to be choosy  
KWhite2250 : 3/23/2017 7:41 am : link
In comment 13403493 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 13403478 pganut said:


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Goals and wins are at a premium for us. The pinball goal is what it is, but we seem to experience that against us a lot so it feels like some evening out. A solid 3rd which are sporadic in frequency for the Isles was great for our side to see. Much needed 2 points.



Leddy hit the inside of the post less than 15 seconds before the power play that led to the pinball goal. It's all fair game.

Huge win. Fuck you, Columbus.


Think its time to focus on the Bruins. Saturday is going to be HUGE. They better show up for that one because the last 2 home games were awful
Rangers are screwed  
NYerInMA : 3/23/2017 8:14 am : link
until they fix the PK. Last night was embarrassing. Then again, at home against the Islanders, the outcome was expected.
Isles news  
pganut : 3/23/2017 8:25 am : link
Mathew Barzal was named WHL Western Conference Player of the Year. Was also named a WHL First Team all-star and is a finalist for WHL Player of the Year.

Barzal had 10 goals and 69 assists for 79 points in 41 games this season. He started the season with the New York Islanders playing two games before returning to the T-Birds. Barzal won a silver medal with Team Canada at the 2017 World Junior Championship.

Some drool-worthy highlights linked below.
Mat Barzal 2016-17 Highlights - ( New Window )
Eh....I think last night is a weird game to pick on  
Greg from LI : 3/23/2017 8:46 am : link
I am as big a critic as Vigneault has here, but they played a solid game last night. One fluke goal against and a half-dozen open nets missed is why they lost. Of course Clendening should be in over Kampfer. Of course Glass shouldn't be on the roster. Sometimes, though, the fault lies with the guys on the ice.
Did Weight say that Strome would be out for the season?  
marbles : 3/23/2017 9:02 am : link
If so, Beauvillier should never sit again, and I would like to see Quine get some games as well.

Nelson really must be put on notice. It is tiresome to watch his looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane routine.
RE: I'm gonna catch you guys later in the game  
ColHowPepper : 3/23/2017 9:09 am : link
In comment 13403108 pganut said:
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Family starting to arrive for dinner...it's my triplets' 12th birthday today. Man, time flies.
Y'all behave, hear?
Wow, great stuff, congrats for weathering the storm of love and devotion for the threes. And your Bedouins gave you a nice win. Puck not bouncing well for the Blueshirts during this shoulder season.
RE: Eh....I think last night is a weird game to pick on  
Giants in 07 : 3/23/2017 9:40 am : link
In comment 13403603 Greg from LI said:
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I am as big a critic as Vigneault has here, but they played a solid game last night. One fluke goal against and a half-dozen open nets missed is why they lost. Of course Clendening should be in over Kampfer. Of course Glass shouldn't be on the roster. Sometimes, though, the fault lies with the guys on the ice.


I'm with you. The last two goals were very puck luck-ish, especially the first, and Kampfer over Clendening at this point is baffling.

Just add it to the list of numerous baffling decisions by AV. I grew up watching Rangers teams finish in 9th or 10th in the conference every year and didn't have this much disdain for the coaches of those teams as I do for this coach who has brought me a level of success with this team that I have never seen before
RE: RE: I'm gonna catch you guys later in the game  
pganut : 3/23/2017 9:41 am : link
In comment 13403617 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 13403108 pganut said:


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Family starting to arrive for dinner...it's my triplets' 12th birthday today. Man, time flies.
Y'all behave, hear?

Wow, great stuff, congrats for weathering the storm of love and devotion for the threes. And your Bedouins gave you a nice win. Puck not bouncing well for the Blueshirts during this shoulder season.
Thanks, CHP. It's fun but also melancholy to stand back and watch these amazing kids who were yesterday - seemingly - in diapers becoming strong, smart little people. Enjoying the ride right now, though. Also have some soccer news I'll post in a few you may be interested in.
Blame  
Fish : 3/23/2017 10:01 am : link
Grabner for missing wife open net and not finishing on breakaways. Hence why he was a inexpensive pick up. He has no hands. He buries one and maybe rags get a point on a win.
I'm ok with Kampfer and Glass getting some burn in meaningless games  
MetsAreBack : 3/23/2017 10:03 am : link
but he should be rotating guys at this point, not making Buchnevich and Clendening the fall guys for everything. Vesey absolutely needs a damn breather. What the fuck.

Especially when the 4th line had chipped in 3 goals in the past two games... why the fuck would you take Buchnevich off the ice?
one bright spot - Brendan Smith's defense  
Greg from LI : 3/23/2017 10:05 am : link
He's been pleasantly competent. Not gonna drive offense much, but he's been rock-solid in his own end.
Oh, absolutely  
Greg from LI : 3/23/2017 10:07 am : link
I said that two weeks ago - I have no idea why Buchnevich and Vesey are handled so differently. Vesey has been completely unproductive for most of 2017, Buchnevich produces almost every time he's in the lineup, yet Vesey is the one who never ever comes out of the lineup.

Buch must have had some of the dreaded "inefficient touches".
Per Staple  
timintey : 3/23/2017 10:07 am : link
Nothing official yet, but it appears Jaroslav Halak will rejoin the #Isles in Pittsburgh today.
And Holden should have been sat yesterday  
MetsAreBack : 3/23/2017 10:09 am : link
for his miserable give-away game in New Jersey.

Clendening (58% Corsi, 57% Fenwick this season) was sent to the press box for far less two weeks prior for 5 games.

But Holden (47% Corsi, 48% Fenwick) can do no wrong - especially when he has 8 goals (due to a 13% shooting percentage versus 6% for his career).

One guy is 29 (no accountability at that age under AV) and the other is 24 and obviously ain't re-signing with us next season. What a waste. I realize Clendening lives somewhat sheltered minutes and assignments so the possession metrics are a little overstated, but cmon... with those possession numbers doesnt he deserve an opportunity in 20 meaningless games down the stretch to see if he can be trusted with playoff minutes?

We aren't winning a cup with Nick Holden logging big minutes for us.
Had a death in the family so was no able to watch the game last night  
The 12th Man : 3/23/2017 10:14 am : link
Watched most of it this morning seemed like a fairly even game. Had some puck luck on the 2nd goal. Both teams missed a lot of shots. Overall right now we own this team but they are solidly in the playoffs and we are not. I would trade spots in a second.

Ho-Sang is going to be very special. Every time he steps on the ice you are expecting something good to happen. It is all in front of the Islanders right now. Play Bruins on Sat. and we have a game in hand. They have not really played a start to finish solid game in the last 5 or 6 games. They have 10 playoff games to go before the playofffs. All up to them.
RE: Per Staple  
The 12th Man : 3/23/2017 10:27 am : link
In comment 13403688 timintey said:
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Nothing official yet, but it appears Jaroslav Halak will rejoin the #Isles in Pittsburgh today.


Finally! We need every point and he gives us the best opportunity to get them.
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