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Goodell announces plan to quicken games next season...

Mike in St. Louis : 3/22/2017 2:42 pm
"In the coming days, the league will roll out its plans for not only revamping the commercial structure within TV broadcasts, but also tweaking in-game timing, replay reviews and more — the product of experimentation and research the NFL took directly to fans before last season to find out what they liked and disliked, both in the stadium and on the couch."

Beginning with the upcoming season, there will be subtle changes to the timing of the game itself, including standardizing the start of the clock after a player goes out of bounds and the duration of halftime. A play clock will be instituted after extra points (and perhaps after touchdowns, though that’s still under discussion). A vote is expected at the league meetings next week on a centralized replay system in which referees review plays on tablets, rather than sideline monitors, and provide input to officiating headquarters in New York, where the final call would be made.

There will be changes to TV broadcasts, including less frequent, but slightly longer commercial breaks — a standard pattern of four per quarter (rather than five, six, five and five), each extended from 1:50 to 2:20. (The NFL’s research shows fans notice fewer breaks, not how long they are, Goodell said.) Networks will be allowed to break during replay reviews. At times, a double box allowing viewers to see inside the stadium while an ad plays, or a sponsored break featuring one brand, could replace standard commercials. Some in-game promotion for NFL and partner initiatives will be replaced by more analysis, highlights and other content.

“We have seen commercialization maybe creep into the game in areas that we don’t think is appropriate,” Goodell said, “and we’re going to work with our network partners to try to pull that back, to make sure that we can create that compelling experience for our fans.”

Other changes — including a potential vote to eliminate coaches challenges after or late into a commercial break (another issue Goodell said frustrates him) and an actual reduction of ads and promotions — remain under consideration as well.

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That is good news  
EddieNYG : 3/22/2017 2:44 pm : link
Now just stop with all this international BS and try to eliminate TNF and they will be on to something.
Start with  
Matt in SGS : 3/22/2017 2:52 pm : link
after a TD and a TV timeout, don't do a kickoff (usually a touchback) and then another friggin commercial break. Essentially whatever excitement or momentum occurred from a score has been killed by what amounts to really 5+ minutes of nothing.
Less breaks, but longer breaks works for me.  
Keith : 3/22/2017 2:53 pm : link
I flip to other games anywhos.
my problem isn't even just the amount of commercial breaks...  
jnoble : 3/22/2017 2:53 pm : link
...its the Chinese water torture of seeing the same ads run over and over and over and over and over again till you want to flying dragon kick your TV screen
You know what  
superspynyg : 3/22/2017 2:56 pm : link
if they speed up the game and cut some commercials then I will be fine with keeping TNF.

AS for international games 2 per year 1 in London 1 in Mexico or Canada
I actually like international games,  
Keith : 3/22/2017 2:59 pm : link
specifically sunday morning games. I would MUCH rather that than the crappy TNF games that we see.
RE: Start with  
5BowlsSoon : 3/22/2017 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13402873 Matt in SGS said:
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after a TD and a TV timeout, don't do a kickoff (usually a touchback) and then another friggin commercial break. Essentially whatever excitement or momentum occurred from a score has been killed by what amounts to really 5+ minutes of nothing.


I sure hope this came up in his research. I can't imagine you and I are the only two astute fans who have noticed this.
Red zone channel when the Giants aren't playing!  
giants#1 : 3/22/2017 3:04 pm : link
Merging the breaks before and after KOs into a single break would be great!
They'll take after baseball  
NewFakeDannyHeep : 3/22/2017 3:06 pm : link
and signal to the ref instead of intentional grounding. Or something dumb like that.
they absolultly need to get rid of the TNF games  
jnoble : 3/22/2017 3:07 pm : link
It's too much product aside from the crappy matchups. Football is supposed to be Sunday and Monday night only, that's plenty.
i forget what i am watching ...  
Houston : 3/22/2017 3:08 pm : link
TD, extra point, commercial, kick-off , commercial .. what was I watching again?
RE: I actually like international games,  
Greg from LI : 3/22/2017 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13402889 Keith said:
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specifically sunday morning games. I would MUCH rather that than the crappy TNF games that we see.


I don't mind international games. I despise European games. Playing in Canada or Mexico is fine.

And it's way past time to scrap Thursday night games.
I'm sure that I am in the minority but I don't mind longer games...  
Bchurch : 3/22/2017 3:13 pm : link
Especially longer Giants games. It's my one break from life each week and I would like to extend that break as long as possible!
here's another thing they've been sneaking into broadcasts  
Greg from LI : 3/22/2017 3:13 pm : link
It usually happens late in the game - a team is driving to kick a tying or winning field goal, someone calls a timeout, and the network just HAS to shoehorn one more commercial in during that timeout.
RE: RE: I actually like international games,  
Keith : 3/22/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13402920 Greg from LI said:
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specifically sunday morning games. I would MUCH rather that than the crappy TNF games that we see.



I don't mind international games. I despise European games. Playing in Canada or Mexico is fine.

And it's way past time to scrap Thursday night games.


I just like the sunday morning games. Sunday mornings suck waiting until 1:00 for the games. I want no part of watching any of these pre-game shows. Nothing like a morning game to bring you to the 1:00 games.
What's this 5,6,5,5 he talks about?  
njm : 3/22/2017 3:17 pm : link
You get a decent amount of scoring in a quarter, and combine the commercials after both the extra point AND kickoff, and it strikes me that there is often well more than 5 in a quarter.
RE: RE: I actually like international games,  
lawguy9801 : 3/22/2017 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13402920 Greg from LI said:
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specifically sunday morning games. I would MUCH rather that than the crappy TNF games that we see.



I don't mind international games. I despise European games. Playing in Canada or Mexico is fine.

And it's way past time to scrap Thursday night games.


What's wrong with the European games? Every single London game sells out almost instantly, and as the prior poster mentioned it's pretty enjoyable watching football in the morning over breakfast, especially when, like me and many others, you have kids and are often out on Sunday afternoons for various sports/events.
They need to stop the  
montanagiant : 3/22/2017 3:24 pm : link
Commercials
Kick off
Commercials
Cycle that really bogs down the feel of the game
RE: RE: RE: I actually like international games,  
YAJ2112 : 3/22/2017 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13402952 lawguy9801 said:
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specifically sunday morning games. I would MUCH rather that than the crappy TNF games that we see.



I don't mind international games. I despise European games. Playing in Canada or Mexico is fine.

And it's way past time to scrap Thursday night games.



What's wrong with the European games? Every single London game sells out almost instantly, and as the prior poster mentioned it's pretty enjoyable watching football in the morning over breakfast, especially when, like me and many others, you have kids and are often out on Sunday afternoons for various sports/events.


The London games are moving back to 1:00 ET, no more morning games.
So with 4 commercials per quarter that are longer  
SimpleMan : 3/22/2017 3:37 pm : link
there will actually be more commercial time.

5 commercials at 1:50 per clip = 9 minutes, 10 seconds.

4 commercials at 2:20 per clip = 9 minutes, 20 seconds.


Obviously a small difference but they can stop pretending they are lessening the commercials. Yes I read about their research. But how about actually reducing the time that commercials play in a game?
If You Watch The Game Delayed On A DVR  
Trainmaster : 3/22/2017 3:37 pm : link
(which I do), most of these changes won't matter.

I likely fewer, but longer breaks. Since I'm fast forwarding through the commercials anyway, let times I'll have to do that.
RE: I'm sure that I am in the minority but I don't mind longer games...  
Elisthebest : 3/22/2017 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13402925 Bchurch said:
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Especially longer Giants games. It's my one break from life each week and I would like to extend that break as long as possible!

Agreed. I have yet to watch a Giant game that was too long (even in the '70's)
RE: RE: I'm sure that I am in the minority but I don't mind longer games...  
ron mexico : 3/22/2017 4:16 pm : link
In comment 13403042 Elisthebest said:
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Especially longer Giants games. It's my one break from life each week and I would like to extend that break as long as possible!


Agreed. I have yet to watch a Giant game that was too long (even in the '70's)


I'm with you guys
I'm fine with less but longer  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 3/22/2017 4:24 pm : link
Breaks.. gives me time to refill the beer and take a leak...
I wish the Giants played at 9:00am...  
Maryland Giant : 3/22/2017 4:34 pm : link
...every Sunday for the rest of my life.
Just go back to the 70"s and 80's format  
Sec 103 : 3/22/2017 4:37 pm : link
and games will be a manageable 2:45 to 3 hours each...
I like THursday Night Football  
djstat : 3/22/2017 4:39 pm : link
That's right.
I already implemented my plan to quicken games.  
batman11 : 3/22/2017 4:40 pm : link
I DVR every game I watch, wait about an hour and then fast forward through the game watching only plays and replays. No huddles, no commercials, no never ending ref reviews and usually I have the announcers muted. I don't think I watched one commercial during an NFL game this year! How does that work for you, Goodell??
The NFL is not going to miss one second of commercial time,  
SterlingArcher : 3/22/2017 5:10 pm : link
those seconds translate to dollars and there is no way the owners are giving up one red cent!
I think one thing that would help is  
chuckydee9 : 3/22/2017 5:53 pm : link
keep the clock running after incomplete passes outside of the final 2 minutes of the half.. Give time to refs to get the ball but then start the clock.. otherwise it takes like 3 minutes to run three plays and only 18 seconds have ticked off the clock.. Its unfair to the team which has the lead but cant run the clock out..
RE: I like THursday Night Football  
MetsAreBack : 3/22/2017 6:23 pm : link
In comment 13403120 djstat said:
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That's right.


There is nothing inherently wrong with TNF. But the teams dont have enough time to prepare for the game, which does lead to some lousy games. Also the notion that every team needs to appear once on it sucks too. Finally, they are always division games, i guess to minimize travel. But division games, which are the most important games a team plays during its season, shouldnt be played on such quick turnaround times.

Obvious solution here is to add a 2nd bye week for teams (why wouldnt the players want this? They can reduce spring or training camp by a week for veteran players as an offset) - and give all teams on TNF the bye the week prior. Eliminate rule that every team needs to play TNF as well as that all games are division rivalry games.
RE: I think one thing that would help is  
MetsAreBack : 3/22/2017 6:24 pm : link
In comment 13403234 chuckydee9 said:
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keep the clock running after incomplete passes outside of the final 2 minutes of the half.. Give time to refs to get the ball but then start the clock.. otherwise it takes like 3 minutes to run three plays and only 18 seconds have ticked off the clock.. Its unfair to the team which has the lead but cant run the clock out..


wut?
RE: RE: I think one thing that would help is  
chuckydee9 : 3/22/2017 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13403267 MetsAreBack said:
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keep the clock running after incomplete passes outside of the final 2 minutes of the half.. Give time to refs to get the ball but then start the clock.. otherwise it takes like 3 minutes to run three plays and only 18 seconds have ticked off the clock.. Its unfair to the team which has the lead but cant run the clock out..



wut?

You know how the clock stops after every incomplete pass.. don't stop it.. just give reasonable time for the referee to get the ball and then start the clock.. so the game moves faster...
RE: I already implemented my plan to quicken games.  
Gregorio : 3/22/2017 6:40 pm : link

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I DVR every game I watch....


I am warming up to Batman's method of DVR'ing the damn game.
RE: I wish the Giants played at 9:00am...  
JerryNYG : 3/22/2017 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13403107 Maryland Giant said:
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...every Sunday for the rest of my life.


I will co-sign that statement.
Just watch this BS  
EricJ : 3/22/2017 6:56 pm : link
in the end we the fans will have less football to watch. They will let time run in a few instances vs having the clock stop. Fewer plays, less football, less fun.

I dont understand why fans complain about the length of the game. We wait all week long for the Giants game. Why hope that it ends quickly?

Now, if you want to reduce the time involved for the non-football activities (commercials, replay, etc) then fine. However, if anyone thinks the NFL is going to reduce the commercial time and lose revenue you are smoking something.
RE: RE: Start with  
section125 : 3/22/2017 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13402891 5BowlsSoon said:
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after a TD and a TV timeout, don't do a kickoff (usually a touchback) and then another friggin commercial break. Essentially whatever excitement or momentum occurred from a score has been killed by what amounts to really 5+ minutes of nothing.



I sure hope this came up in his research. I can't imagine you and I are the only two astute fans who have noticed this.


Try sitting in the freezing cold at the stadium and go through the TD/Pat timeout Kickoff TV Timeout....
RE: Just watch this BS  
chuckydee9 : 3/22/2017 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13403297 EricJ said:
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in the end we the fans will have less football to watch. They will let time run in a few instances vs having the clock stop. Fewer plays, less football, less fun.

I dont understand why fans complain about the length of the game. We wait all week long for the Giants game. Why hope that it ends quickly?

Now, if you want to reduce the time involved for the non-football activities (commercials, replay, etc) then fine. However, if anyone thinks the NFL is going to reduce the commercial time and lose revenue you are smoking something.


Are more plays really more fun? A lot of the times games are a bore because they have so many plays.. like is a 14-7 baseball game more fun than a 3-1 game just because there are more pitches in the 14-7 game? I'd rather have more meaningful plays and not 50 plays in the fourth quarter when the game was a blowout most... More plays also increase injuries..
Even just cutting after TD break  
giantgiantfan : 3/22/2017 7:38 pm : link
and one TV break per quarter would be a huge improvement.
RE: I already implemented my plan to quicken games.  
Bill in Del : 3/22/2017 7:44 pm : link
In comment 13403126 batman11 said:
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I DVR every game I watch, wait about an hour and then fast forward through the game watching only plays and replays. No huddles, no commercials, no never ending ref reviews and usually I have the announcers muted. I don't think I watched one commercial during an NFL game this year! How does that work for you, Goodell??


Me too. Giants are on at 1 I'll start watching about 2. Allows me to Fast fwd thru all the commercials and other bullshit which makes for a very nice football experience from my comfy couch.
RE: RE: Just watch this BS  
EricJ : 3/22/2017 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13403306 chuckydee9 said:
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in the end we the fans will have less football to watch. They will let time run in a few instances vs having the clock stop. Fewer plays, less football, less fun.

I dont understand why fans complain about the length of the game. We wait all week long for the Giants game. Why hope that it ends quickly?

Now, if you want to reduce the time involved for the non-football activities (commercials, replay, etc) then fine. However, if anyone thinks the NFL is going to reduce the commercial time and lose revenue you are smoking something.



Are more plays really more fun? A lot of the times games are a bore because they have so many plays.. like is a 14-7 baseball game more fun than a 3-1 game just because there are more pitches in the 14-7 game? I'd rather have more meaningful plays and not 50 plays in the fourth quarter when the game was a blowout most... More plays also increase injuries..


Does not sound like you are a football fan. Yes, more plays are more fun. If you don't think so, then you do not truly love the game. Plays are the game. so... WTF are you talking about?

Compare the annoyance of commercials  
Blackbeard : 3/22/2017 8:55 pm : link
to the cost of attending home games (if you can get tix) and missing away games.

Seat License + ticket cost + parking cost + transportation cost + refreshment cost.

Remember how we hated the TV blackouts?

RE: RE: RE: Just watch this BS  
MetsAreBack : 3/22/2017 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13403334 EricJ said:
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Does not sound like you are a football fan. Yes, more plays are more fun. If you don't think so, then you do not truly love the game. Plays are the game. so... WTF are you talking about?


Yup I got that same impression. Same guy thinks a clock should stop on an imcomplete pass (I'm guessing because giants haven't run the ball well in 5 years). Yards per attempt already multiples higher than yards per (adjust for holding penalties) carry ... This guy wants to skew the equation more towards arena football
RE: RE: RE: RE: Just watch this BS  
EricJ : 3/22/2017 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13403427 MetsAreBack said:
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Does not sound like you are a football fan. Yes, more plays are more fun. If you don't think so, then you do not truly love the game. Plays are the game. so... WTF are you talking about?




Yup I got that same impression. Same guy thinks a clock should stop on an imcomplete pass (I'm guessing because giants haven't run the ball well in 5 years). Yards per attempt already multiples higher than yards per (adjust for holding penalties) carry ... This guy wants to skew the equation more towards arena football


The bottom line here is this...
We are on this freaking web site more hours per year than hours of annual game time that the Giants play. We only have 16 days out of 365 where we get to watch the Giants play. Why would anyone wish that the game was shorter? 10 minutes after the game is over I am already going through withdrawal and wishing the week away to get to next Sunday.
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christian : 3/22/2017 10:32 pm : link
Not addressing the key issues - 3 hour broadcast with the ball in play for 11 minutes.

Cut the play clock to 25 seconds betweven whistle to whistle. Hire a few more guys to get the sticks and balls set.

If there was actually action between the commercials no one would care.
Between this and bsseball  
micky : 3/23/2017 6:30 am : link
I don't understand the "rush" for things. Never a problem long ago. Must be a millennial "thing"..smh
RE: Between this and bsseball  
Gregorio : 3/23/2017 8:00 am : link
In comment 13403557 micky said:
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I don't understand the "rush" . . .


It’s not that fans want anything rushed.
With football, fans are fed up with the bombardment of advertisements during the TV experience. The commercials are more than just a pause, they have become an actual annoying distraction.

In the case of baseball, it’s that fans have lost interest between innings. MLB studied this to find out how they can better maintain fans interest throughout a TV broadcast. They made tweaks like ditching the intentional walk, but I don’t think they’ve gone far enough.

MLB could have decreased the amount of time of a commercial breaks (currently 2:05 minutes, 17 times a game). They loath to do this because it directly affects their cash flow.
Score, ad, kickoff, ad has to go  
trueblueinpw : 3/23/2017 8:15 am : link
Like others has already mentioned the score, ad, kickoff, ad is terrible and that's something which is terrible at home and in the stadium and, to some extent, also annoying when DVR watching. I skip most of the kick returns when watching on TiVo mostly because I just fly by them on the fast forward. And that's too bad because kickoffs are sometimes exciting and occasionally result in TDs. Gee, Goodell makes $60 million to figure this out? Gotta be the easiest job on the planet.
RE: So with 4 commercials per quarter that are longer  
jhibb : 3/23/2017 8:41 am : link
In comment 13402976 SimpleMan said:
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there will actually be more commercial time.

5 commercials at 1:50 per clip = 9 minutes, 10 seconds.

4 commercials at 2:20 per clip = 9 minutes, 20 seconds.


Obviously a small difference but they can stop pretending they are lessening the commercials. Yes I read about their research. But how about actually reducing the time that commercials play in a game?


One break would be dropping from 6 (not 5) to 4, though. So if the 5-6-5-5 to 4-4-4-4 thing is true for the standard breaks, then it'll be a total of:

21 commercial breaks at 1:50 each = 38 minutes, 30 seconds.

16 commercial breaks at 2:20 each = 37 minutes, 20 seconds.


Lenght of Games  
guy in nc : 3/23/2017 9:33 am : link
For years, I agreed with most of you being fed up with commercials. My grandson, a longtime Giants fan, became an avid fan this year. When he is home from school, we go to a sports bar and for 3 or 4 hours he is mine in Giants land. For this 78 year old grandfather that time together makes me want the game to last longer and longer. Its priceless.
RE: Lenght of Games  
jhibb : 3/23/2017 9:49 am : link
In comment 13403635 guy in nc said:
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For years, I agreed with most of you being fed up with commercials. My grandson, a longtime Giants fan, became an avid fan this year. When he is home from school, we go to a sports bar and for 3 or 4 hours he is mine in Giants land. For this 78 year old grandfather that time together makes me want the game to last longer and longer. Its priceless.



That's just awesome.

Thanks for the different perspective.
RE: RE: Between this and bsseball  
MetsAreBack : 3/23/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13403575 Gregorio said:
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In the case of baseball, it’s that fans have lost interest between innings.



What do you mean "between innings" ? I've lost considerable interest, especially during playoff games, during innings with all the mound visits, pickoff plays, batters adjusting gloves, one batter relief appearances, etc.

But the three key differences b/w football and baseball which leave me far less bothered on the former:

1. Number of games. One has 10x more than the other

2. Weekend vs weeknight. Spending 3 hours on a sunday is far less intrusive than weeknights, especially if I'm at a game and have to commute home after and get up 6am the next morning

3. Football is still 30 minutes less than your average baseball game, and that split is worse come playoff time (Nats/Dodgers game 5 took 4 hours, 3 minutes to play 9 innings last Fall)

So to me, at least right now, no comparison between the two sports.

Someone also mentioned above wanting more plays/game action during the telecast.. I dunno... these players put their bodies probably too much on the line as is.

I really think we need to bring back the 2nd bye week.
Nats/Dodgers - 4 hours, 32 minutes .. 9 inning game  
MetsAreBack : 3/23/2017 1:12 pm : link
it cut off my two there.
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