in strategy from Phil/Mills to sit out the free agent market this summer. The last two summers, they've spent every last cap dollar on whoever would take their money. I expect more of the same this summer....with perhaps a lousy Melo trade thrown in just to really piss me off.
The Knicks get a good pick and do or don't draft a PG. Let's say they trade Melo and Rose can't find money outside. What if they gave him a 1 year deal at about 10-15M. Would you be ok with that?
No. That would be a terrible move. They traded Melo for presumably a crap return (lets be honest here on paper the Knicks return 99% is not going to be "better" than what Melo gives them next year, at least not in 2018). Rose doesn't play defense (which impacts the other defenders) and he doesn't do a particularly good job setting up KP/Willy.
He could either try to build a 40-win team just so he can retire and say, "Hey I built a playoff team in NY!" or he can use these next two years to build a young team in the precise way that he wants and plant the seeds for a decade of success after he's gone. I sure hope it's the latter.
in theory makes sense (best Euro PG, wants guaranteed minutes/role) but I've read he's heavily a pick n roll guy. In theory that would be great for KP/Willy but not sure if that works in the system we are going to be running. We do very little pnr
in strategy from Phil/Mills to sit out the free agent market this summer. The last two summers, they've spent every last cap dollar on whoever would take their money. I expect more of the same this summer....with perhaps a lousy Melo trade thrown in just to really piss me off.
why do you expect more of the same?
the year they signed afflalo lopez and oquinn they had no draft pick coming up so they tried to make the playoffs..
last off season they decided 1 last try to build something around melo it didnt work and luckily for them the team bottomed out...
this year they have all their draftmpicks, all future draft picks, rose can walk and they will most likely trade melo...
the player they will be building around is 22 so there will be no rush like there was with melo..
i really dont see phil going for the quick fix this summer because he doesnt have to
in theory makes sense (best Euro PG, wants guaranteed minutes/role) but I've read he's heavily a pick n roll guy. In theory that would be great for KP/Willy but not sure if that works in the system we are going to be running. We do very little pnr
isnt the story that he really doesnt want to leave and there are teams overseas willing to make him one of the highest paid players..
plus he is already 29, unless he really wants to play in the nba i dont see why he comes over now
The Knicks get a good pick and do or don't draft a PG. Let's say they trade Melo and Rose can't find money outside. What if they gave him a 1 year deal at about 10-15M. Would you be ok with that?
No. The only reason to trade Melo, which is something they should do, is to start developing this team around KP/Willy/2017 pick and Rose doesn't help that. If that trio does well, great. If they struggle to win and land high in the lottery again, possibly even better as they'll add another (potentially) significant piece for the future.
in theory makes sense (best Euro PG, wants guaranteed minutes/role) but I've read he's heavily a pick n roll guy. In theory that would be great for KP/Willy but not sure if that works in the system we are going to be running. We do very little pnr
isnt the story that he really doesnt want to leave and there are teams overseas willing to make him one of the highest paid players..
plus he is already 29, unless he really wants to play in the nba i dont see why he comes over now
He's implied he both wants to get paid and play for a contender AND get a guaranteed role so unless he's just BSing odds are he just stays over there. How many contenders are giving a 30 year old big money and minutes? I guess I could see a team like the Spurs doing something there if Mills were to bolt. This other kid Jovic sounds more likely to leave Europe.
like prigioni, i know he was 38 but the only reason he came over is because scola and ginobli told him to come over and just experience it for a couple of years..
a lot of the overseas guys get to a point where it is just not worth it then when they finally like ok, they are past their lrime..
i think that is why kuz decided to come when he did
To be honest i am surprised hernangomez didnt wait another year or so
realmadrid offered him a ni e contract to stay for 2 more years and he turned them down, i wonder if his brother getting drafted and coming over had anything to do with it..
i also wonder if kp recruited him a little bit...
RE: To be honest i am surprised hernangomez didnt wait another year or so
realmadrid offered him a ni e contract to stay for 2 more years and he turned them down, i wonder if his brother getting drafted and coming over had anything to do with it..
i also wonder if kp recruited him a little bit...
I suspect part of it was Juancho saying he wanted to come directly to the NBA.
in strategy from Phil/Mills to sit out the free agent market this summer. The last two summers, they've spent every last cap dollar on whoever would take their money. I expect more of the same this summer....with perhaps a lousy Melo trade thrown in just to really piss me off.
why do you expect more of the same?
the year they signed afflalo lopez and oquinn they had no draft pick coming up so they tried to make the playoffs..
last off season they decided 1 last try to build something around melo it didnt work and luckily for them the team bottomed out...
this year they have all their draftmpicks, all future draft picks, rose can walk and they will most likely trade melo...
the player they will be building around is 22 so there will be no rush like there was with melo..
i really dont see phil going for the quick fix this summer because he doesnt have to
Phil is old and stupid. The owner is just stupid. That's why I expect more of the same. And they do not have all of their picks going forward. When you factor in second rounders they are draft pick negative. And they don't own their own #2 until 2022...not really ideal if they plan on rebuilding.
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Hearing Magic Johnson, knowing UCLA/Kentucky is a scouting must first-hand, will reluctantly miss Shaquille O'Neal's statue ceremony tonight
the only 2 years knocks do not have 2nd round picks
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Confirmed guests for Shaq's statue unveiling today include Kobe Bryant, Phil Jackson, Jerry West, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Derek Fisher.
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Confirmed guests for Shaq's statue unveiling today include Kobe Bryant, Phil Jackson, Jerry West, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Derek Fisher.
he doesnt, knicks gm and their lead scout will be in memphis
RE: RE: Phil doesn't have to worry about scouting!
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he doesnt, knicks gm and their lead scout will be in memphis
So the Lakers lead scout won't be in Memphis? Magic is going alone? c'mon lol
do realize the Knicks GM is not a scout right? He's a contract signer. Please provide me with evidence Knicks GM Steve Mills is someone we should value attending the game.
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Confirmed guests for Shaq's statue unveiling today include Kobe Bryant, Phil Jackson, Jerry West, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Derek Fisher.
he doesnt, knicks gm and their lead scout will be in memphis
So the Lakers lead scout won't be in Memphis? Magic is going alone? c'mon lol
Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.
In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]
On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]
I must be missing the part where it highlights his scouting accumen
most people who will be making final decisions on potential top 5 picks will make it their duty to be in attendance if at all possible. That's how this works.... ya know the way PHIL JACKSON attended games until now?
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Do many GMs or team presidents personally attend games for prospects?
Do we know if Jerry Reese or Marc Ross went to "scout" players in BCS bowl games?
They absolutely do. Phil as a posted below was noted as attending multiple games in person, thus the famous illegal Russell quote.
Okay, that's good context. But by this line of thinking allowing for the fact that he does travel maybe he's already seen UCLA and Kentucky and it's just gone unmentioned.
do not know for a fact he hasn't but generally when someone of his stature appears at a college game it is noted. None of the writers have mentioned any such thing all season. He's hiding somewhere?
defender? I can't get a read, different sites say different things. He seems to have the athleticism to stick to PGs, but doesn't have elite wingspan. Wouldn't hate the pick, but I'd be dissapointed if we passed on Tatum/Isaac for him.
defender? I can't get a read, different sites say different things. He seems to have the athleticism to stick to PGs, but doesn't have elite wingspan. Wouldn't hate the pick, but I'd be dissapointed if we passed on Tatum/Isaac for him.
"After losing three of its last five games and allowing LSU to score 58 second-half points Tuesday night, John Calipari said Friday his team has to get defensive to get back on track, and that includes Malik Monk making a bigger impact on that side of the court.
However, the idea to play Monk less if his defense doesnt improve was not by the coach, but actually the player himself.
"I said to him, 'you're not rebounding, you're not defending the way you should. How are we dealing with this?' Calipari said Friday about his talk with Monk about defense. "He said, 'coach, tell me and if I don't do it, sit me.' That's how they should feel. If I'm not doing my job, sit me out."
That sounds like a player whos more than willing to admit his faults and correct them. Monk has been unfairly criticized recently for his lack of defense, which this team as a whole is struggling with." Link - ( New Window )
took another shot at Ewing today apparently per TMZ
Let's be honest about Oakley. He's a fucking maniac.
No doubt about it. I understand him knocking the guys who work for Dolan but Ewing isn't a Dolan lackey. Far from it.
Speaking of TMZ and taking shots... Ron Harper on Rose
Doesn't matter where Derrick Rose ends up in free agency ... he'll NEVER win a championship -- so says Ron Harper.
Earlier this week, Rose says finding a winning team is more important than a big contract when he searches for a new team this summer.
"Not even thinking money," Rose said ... "I'm not going to negotiate with people where money is the number one thing I'm asking for. I want to win."
So, we went to Harper -- a 5-time NBA champ -- and asked which team could be the right fit.
Harper says it won't matter -- he ain't gonna win.
I have to say, the not going to UK-UCLA strikes me as nothing big
He can view the tape and it's not as if this is some singular moment allowing him to scout these players. BFD.
I also have to say that it's more than a bit amusing how enthralled the basketball media has been with Magic Johnson given what a disaster he was as a coach.
RE: I have to say, the not going to UK-UCLA strikes me as nothing big
He can view the tape and it's not as if this is some singular moment allowing him to scout these players. BFD.
I also have to say that it's more than a bit amusing how enthralled the basketball media has been with Magic Johnson given what a disaster he was as a coach.
guarantee if he doea a bad job media will say it is not his fault..
remember when phil was rumored to go to lakers all the media was saying how great a move it would be for.lakers them he went to knicks and it became a hlrrible moved
far the one + I'll give Magic is he seems committed to a full rebuild/tanking. We'll see if he actually continues with that (or if Jeannie allows that) but for now that's one thing I like about him over Phil. If Phil has a change of heart this off-season I'll adjust my view.
far the one + I'll give Magic is he seems committed to a full rebuild/tanking. We'll see if he actually continues with that (or if Jeannie allows that) but for now that's one thing I like about him over Phil. If Phil has a change of heart this off-season I'll adjust my view.
hasnt jeannie and magic already said they want to get superstars to la
far the one + I'll give Magic is he seems committed to a full rebuild/tanking. We'll see if he actually continues with that (or if Jeannie allows that) but for now that's one thing I like about him over Phil. If Phil has a change of heart this off-season I'll adjust my view.
hasnt jeannie and magic already said they want to get superstars to la
Who doesn't want superstars? Easier to add superstars with either appealing young talent to pair them with or trade for. Superstars are always an ideal outcome.
No. That would be a terrible move. They traded Melo for presumably a crap return (lets be honest here on paper the Knicks return 99% is not going to be "better" than what Melo gives them next year, at least not in 2018). Rose doesn't play defense (which impacts the other defenders) and he doesn't do a particularly good job setting up KP/Willy.
I'd rather give 35 year old Sergio a 1 year $15M deal than almost any other rumored FA target.
And Sergio won't even cost that much.
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why do you expect more of the same?
the year they signed afflalo lopez and oquinn they had no draft pick coming up so they tried to make the playoffs..
last off season they decided 1 last try to build something around melo it didnt work and luckily for them the team bottomed out...
this year they have all their draftmpicks, all future draft picks, rose can walk and they will most likely trade melo...
the player they will be building around is 22 so there will be no rush like there was with melo..
i really dont see phil going for the quick fix this summer because he doesnt have to
isnt the story that he really doesnt want to leave and there are teams overseas willing to make him one of the highest paid players..
plus he is already 29, unless he really wants to play in the nba i dont see why he comes over now
No. The only reason to trade Melo, which is something they should do, is to start developing this team around KP/Willy/2017 pick and Rose doesn't help that. If that trio does well, great. If they struggle to win and land high in the lottery again, possibly even better as they'll add another (potentially) significant piece for the future.
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in theory makes sense (best Euro PG, wants guaranteed minutes/role) but I've read he's heavily a pick n roll guy. In theory that would be great for KP/Willy but not sure if that works in the system we are going to be running. We do very little pnr
isnt the story that he really doesnt want to leave and there are teams overseas willing to make him one of the highest paid players..
plus he is already 29, unless he really wants to play in the nba i dont see why he comes over now
He's implied he both wants to get paid and play for a contender AND get a guaranteed role so unless he's just BSing odds are he just stays over there. How many contenders are giving a 30 year old big money and minutes? I guess I could see a team like the Spurs doing something there if Mills were to bolt. This other kid Jovic sounds more likely to leave Europe.
a lot of the overseas guys get to a point where it is just not worth it then when they finally like ok, they are past their lrime..
i think that is why kuz decided to come when he did
i also wonder if kp recruited him a little bit...
i also wonder if kp recruited him a little bit...
I suspect part of it was Juancho saying he wanted to come directly to the NBA.
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in strategy from Phil/Mills to sit out the free agent market this summer. The last two summers, they've spent every last cap dollar on whoever would take their money. I expect more of the same this summer....with perhaps a lousy Melo trade thrown in just to really piss me off.
why do you expect more of the same?
the year they signed afflalo lopez and oquinn they had no draft pick coming up so they tried to make the playoffs..
last off season they decided 1 last try to build something around melo it didnt work and luckily for them the team bottomed out...
this year they have all their draftmpicks, all future draft picks, rose can walk and they will most likely trade melo...
the player they will be building around is 22 so there will be no rush like there was with melo..
i really dont see phil going for the quick fix this summer because he doesnt have to
Phil is old and stupid. The owner is just stupid. That's why I expect more of the same. And they do not have all of their picks going forward. When you factor in second rounders they are draft pick negative. And they don't own their own #2 until 2022...not really ideal if they plan on rebuilding.
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Hearing Magic Johnson, knowing UCLA/Kentucky is a scouting must first-hand, will reluctantly miss Shaquille O'Neal's statue ceremony tonight
they have 2 2nd round picks in this years draft
2018 1st and a 2nd
2019 1st and 2 2nds
2020 1st
2021 1st
so again tell me how they ate draft pick deficient?
Confirmed guests for Shaq's statue unveiling today include Kobe Bryant, Phil Jackson, Jerry West, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Derek Fisher.
C'mon. If there were so little value to scouting in person why would teams even send scouts at all?
Confirmed guests for Shaq's statue unveiling today include Kobe Bryant, Phil Jackson, Jerry West, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Derek Fisher.
he doesnt, knicks gm and their lead scout will be in memphis
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Confirmed guests for Shaq's statue unveiling today include Kobe Bryant, Phil Jackson, Jerry West, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Derek Fisher.
he doesnt, knicks gm and their lead scout will be in memphis
So the Lakers lead scout won't be in Memphis? Magic is going alone? c'mon lol
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Confirmed guests for Shaq's statue unveiling today include Kobe Bryant, Phil Jackson, Jerry West, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Derek Fisher.
he doesnt, knicks gm and their lead scout will be in memphis
So the Lakers lead scout won't be in Memphis? Magic is going alone? c'mon lol
so because magic is going that means phil has to?
is colangelo going to college games?
is phoenixs president going?
is vlade going to be there?
is layden going to be there?
In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]
On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]
I must be missing the part where it highlights his scouting accumen
Do we know if Jerry Reese or Marc Ross went to "scout" players in BCS bowl games?
how do you even know he has not seen these players live?
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Do we know if Jerry Reese or Marc Ross went to "scout" players in BCS bowl games?
They absolutely do. Phil as a posted below was noted as attending multiple games in person, thus the famous illegal Russell quote.
But this seems a bit of nothing.
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Do many GMs or team presidents personally attend games for prospects?
Do we know if Jerry Reese or Marc Ross went to "scout" players in BCS bowl games?
They absolutely do. Phil as a posted below was noted as attending multiple games in person, thus the famous illegal Russell quote.
Okay, that's good context. But by this line of thinking allowing for the fact that he does travel maybe he's already seen UCLA and Kentucky and it's just gone unmentioned.
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Do many GMs or team presidents personally attend games for prospects?
Do we know if Jerry Reese or Marc Ross went to "scout" players in BCS bowl games?
They absolutely do. Phil as a posted below was noted as attending multiple games in person, thus the famous illegal Russell quote.
and again how do younknow he hasnt?
"After losing three of its last five games and allowing LSU to score 58 second-half points Tuesday night, John Calipari said Friday his team has to get defensive to get back on track, and that includes Malik Monk making a bigger impact on that side of the court.
However, the idea to play Monk less if his defense doesnt improve was not by the coach, but actually the player himself.
"I said to him, 'you're not rebounding, you're not defending the way you should. How are we dealing with this?' Calipari said Friday about his talk with Monk about defense. "He said, 'coach, tell me and if I don't do it, sit me.' That's how they should feel. If I'm not doing my job, sit me out."
That sounds like a player whos more than willing to admit his faults and correct them. Monk has been unfairly criticized recently for his lack of defense, which this team as a whole is struggling with."
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Let's be honest about Oakley. He's a fucking maniac.
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took another shot at Ewing today apparently per TMZ
Let's be honest about Oakley. He's a fucking maniac.
No doubt about it. I understand him knocking the guys who work for Dolan but Ewing isn't a Dolan lackey. Far from it.
Speaking of TMZ and taking shots... Ron Harper on Rose
Doesn't matter where Derrick Rose ends up in free agency ... he'll NEVER win a championship -- so says Ron Harper.
Earlier this week, Rose says finding a winning team is more important than a big contract when he searches for a new team this summer.
"Not even thinking money," Rose said ... "I'm not going to negotiate with people where money is the number one thing I'm asking for. I want to win."
So, we went to Harper -- a 5-time NBA champ -- and asked which team could be the right fit.
Harper says it won't matter -- he ain't gonna win.
I also have to say that it's more than a bit amusing how enthralled the basketball media has been with Magic Johnson given what a disaster he was as a coach.
I also have to say that it's more than a bit amusing how enthralled the basketball media has been with Magic Johnson given what a disaster he was as a coach.
guarantee if he doea a bad job media will say it is not his fault..
remember when phil was rumored to go to lakers all the media was saying how great a move it would be for.lakers them he went to knicks and it became a hlrrible moved
hasnt jeannie and magic already said they want to get superstars to la
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far the one + I'll give Magic is he seems committed to a full rebuild/tanking. We'll see if he actually continues with that (or if Jeannie allows that) but for now that's one thing I like about him over Phil. If Phil has a change of heart this off-season I'll adjust my view.
hasnt jeannie and magic already said they want to get superstars to la
Who doesn't want superstars? Easier to add superstars with either appealing young talent to pair them with or trade for. Superstars are always an ideal outcome.