remember a debate on BBI earlier in the season debating how good Gobert was. I think that one is settled...
Very interesting quotes from Jennings and he makes some valid points. Hornacek doesn't look good here.
"It was just different. Every day it was just something different," Jennings said. "It was just like, if we could just stick to what we could do, we'll be fine. So at times, you'd just come into practice and you didn't know what was going on."
But high praise for KP and Willy.
"That's who they should build a team around, those two," Jennings said." That's just my personal opinion because they're very young, they're very good. I mean, Willy, in a couple years, he's going to be probably one of the best big men. He reminds me of Marc Gasol."
I thought Hornacek was doing a good job early on, but like everything else with this team, it fell off a cliff. He had solid rotations, guys were clicking, but then he became so unpredictable. He's been terrible, but we can't just move on. He needs to be given a chance to do the job. Phil gets another season, Hornacek gets another season and lets see where we are. Like Jennings said, we have 2 really good young players to build around and we could get a 3rd pretty soon.
remember a debate on BBI earlier in the season debating how good Gobert was. I think that one is settled...
Very interesting quotes from Jennings and he makes some valid points. Hornacek doesn't look good here.
"It was just different. Every day it was just something different," Jennings said. "It was just like, if we could just stick to what we could do, we'll be fine. So at times, you'd just come into practice and you didn't know what was going on."
But high praise for KP and Willy.
"That's who they should build a team around, those two," Jennings said." That's just my personal opinion because they're very young, they're very good. I mean, Willy, in a couple years, he's going to be probably one of the best big men. He reminds me of Marc Gasol." NYdailynews - ( New Window )
Hornacek admitted it was a mistake to try and run both and blend it..
i have no problem with running the triangle just stick to it and run it
can we get a clue on the other side of the court. I fully understand that no defense will be good with Melo and Rose, but we are lost on defense. Can we come up with a defensive system that works?
looking to rile it up again but I recall someone on here arguing Gobert's contract looks terrible compared to Noah... I can't lie, it's all I could think of as Gobert took a hot steamer on the Knicks.
I thought Hornacek was doing a good job early on, but like everything else with this team, it fell off a cliff. He had solid rotations, guys were clicking, but then he became so unpredictable. He's been terrible, but we can't just move on. He needs to be given a chance to do the job. Phil gets another season, Hornacek gets another season and lets see where we are. Like Jennings said, we have 2 really good young players to build around and we could get a 3rd pretty soon.
I dont think the tram was clicking at all, offensively it was basically ok melo your turn and then next time ok rose your turn and kp sprinkled in...
there was not unity or team work and there was no defense..
the team thought they could win on talent alone and it blew up in their face
can we get a clue on the other side of the court. I fully understand that no defense will be good with Melo and Rose, but we are lost on defense. Can we come up with a defensive system that works?
this i agree with their is a reason why the 2nd unit plays bettter
looking to rile it up again but I recall someone on here arguing Gobert's contract looks terrible compared to Noah... I can't lie, it's all I could think of as Gobert took a hot steamer on the Knicks.
I remember this too...Gobert is a great young player. A different stratosphere than Noah at this point. Imagine a front line of him and KP??
He had a structured rotation that worked really well. It was mostly the second unit when KP, Willy, Kuz and Jennings played together, but he was very structured with when guys came in and who played together. That second unit moved the ball really well and played good team offense. The starting unit was a different story as it was the Melo and Rose show.
can we get a clue on the other side of the court. I fully understand that no defense will be good with Melo and Rose, but we are lost on defense. Can we come up with a defensive system that works?
I agree that there is too much focus on the offense BUT the biggest issue with the defense is the roster/talent. The good defensive teams have long, young, + athletes. We have lazy Rose and Melo, below average quickless Willy and overall a roster of guys who even in the best "system" would be below average defensively. We need an effort + athlete influx.
looking to rile it up again but I recall someone on here arguing Gobert's contract looks terrible compared to Noah... I can't lie, it's all I could think of as Gobert took a hot steamer on the Knicks.
I remember this too...Gobert is a great young player. A different stratosphere than Noah at this point. Imagine a front line of him and KP??
A Gobert/KP frontline is something that really allows you to dream. Lets face it, it's going to be extremely tough to ever on paper be as good as the Warriors or Cavs etc but if you find things that you are really good at (rim protection?) maybe you give these types of teams more trouble than people expect.
He had a structured rotation that worked really well. It was mostly the second unit when KP, Willy, Kuz and Jennings played together, but he was very structured with when guys came in and who played together. That second unit moved the ball really well and played good team offense. The starting unit was a different story as it was the Melo and Rose show.
Yeah the 2nd unit was different because jennings constantly fed the big guys on pick and roll...
knock on Kuz but I think most Knicks fans really "overrate" him when he's lumped in with KP, Willy and "our pick". He's 28 in October, maybe he's a little better year 2, and I could see him being a solid 8th man on a good team but he's filler.
Throwing this trade proposal out there to see what you guys think.
Melo for Deng/ Clarkson/ Randle/ 2017 1st from Houston? Melo would have to agree to not exercise his player option after next season ( which he probably won't anyway). The Lakers clear 30 million in salary per year after next season. They also avoid having to give Randle an extension or matching an offer next year- which will be costly. The Knicks get Randle and late 1st this year. This obviously isn't likely but you never know. It could leave the Lakers with 60-70 million in cap room for the 2018 offseason. Russell/ 2017 pick/ Melo/ George/ Cousins? Now that's a quick rebuild....
Jeanne is there in the second round I'd really think long and hard about taking him. Yeah, he's a project but he's 19 years old, 7'2 (without shoes) 7'7 wingspan. He's the kind of "Gobert Jr." starter kit I'd be curious about. Link - ( New Window )
Knicks at 27-44 are tied with the Kings for the 6th/7th negative-seed. Not sure how tiebreakers would work. Current seeding with relative position to Knicks is:
Nets (BOS) : we wont catch
Lakers : we wont catch
Suns : we wont catch
Magic : +1.5
Sixers : +1.0
Kings : tied with NYK
Knicks
T'Wolves : -1.5
Pels : -3.0 and pulling away
Knicks are tied for 6/7. In the event of a tie, they average the balls. E.g. if this were the final standings, Knicks and Kings would evenly split the balls for the 6 and 7 picks, with a coin flip used to determine allocation of any extra ball (if any) and draft position in case neither team wins a top 3 pick.
Position is so key. #7 slot has a 15% chance of moving up. #5 slot has a 29.2% chance of moving up. I believe in us. I dont think any other team is as mentally broken as we are.
That's giving up a lot. Magic wants to turn things around but I don't think he'd shorten the team's timeline to rely on PG and 35 year old Melo to take them places.
That's giving up a lot. Magic wants to turn things around but I don't think he'd shorten the team's timeline to rely on PG and 35 year old Melo to take them places.
magic and Jeannie buss have already said they want superstars on the lakers and not looking fir a slow build
I want the Knicks to be a winner. I've pretty much given up on them ever winning a title, but I'd like them to at least be what they were in the '90s. Winning games right now makes that harder to achieve. These wins mean absolutely nothing in the long term.
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Six players are averaging > 19 ppg and shooting > 50% in March:
LeBron, Kyrie, Karl-Anthony Towns, Giannis, Jokic and .... Tim Hardaway Jr.
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Six players are averaging > 19 ppg and shooting > 50% in March:
LeBron, Kyrie, Karl-Anthony Towns, Giannis, Jokic and .... Tim Hardaway Jr.
and no defense, he did this with the knicks, he had great stretches and a complete scrub in the others...
he is a scorer off the bench, i dont think he will ever be anything more
was just told I am not a "real fan" by EricNY33 because I'm rooting for losses at this point. Thoughts?
A fan should want their team to be successful. Success does not equate to winning games in a lost season where you are effectively eliminated, where the core starters are not long for the lineup, and where you're draft position is in play.
I was furious when Melo hit that game-winner against Philly. I was furious when the Magic basically handed us that second game in Orlando a couple of weeks back by running their entire offense through Biyombo until they squandered a 7-point fourth quarter lead. I'm still annoyed they beat the Spurs before the All-Star Break.
And I still have scars from the tanks wars two years ago - rooting for these shitty teams to win this time of year is a fruitless exercise. I bet the current standings stay exactly as they are.
But he serves no purpose on the Knicks. He's a nice bench scoring option for a good team.
I just feel he's "unfairly" lumped in with KP and Willy. Granted, Willy doesn't really belong lumped in with KP but both could be above average starters on a very good team. Kuz isn't a average starter, not even on a bad team. He's solid but if they loved someone early 2nd round and swapped him for such a guy (presumably 6=7 years younger) I wouldn't lose much sleep.
There isnt that much daylight between Dan's assessment and Greg's. A bench rotation player is by definition a #6-9/10 player. I dont think Kuz is realistically going to be the first man off the bench on a top 5 team. I could be wrong -- this is his first year in North American basketball, and he could really progress next year in just settling down his game. But failing that, his upside appears to be non-6th man rotation player. Which is roughly an 8th man.
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Six players are averaging > 19 ppg and shooting > 50% in March:
LeBron, Kyrie, Karl-Anthony Towns, Giannis, Jokic and .... Tim Hardaway Jr.
and no defense, he did this with the knicks, he had great stretches and a complete scrub in the others...
he is a scorer off the bench, i dont think he will ever be anything more
He wasn't this good with the Knicks. I'm not sure he would've been, but lets not discredit how he's doing.
If the Knicks had a 24 year old SG that was putting up his numbers and wasn't named "Tim Hardaway Jr." we would all be talking about we had a core 3 and another top pick coming on top of that.
But he serves no purpose on the Knicks. He's a nice bench scoring option for a good team.
I just feel he's "unfairly" lumped in with KP and Willy. Granted, Willy doesn't really belong lumped in with KP but both could be above average starters on a very good team. Kuz isn't a average starter, not even on a bad team. He's solid but if they loved someone early 2nd round and swapped him for such a guy (presumably 6=7 years younger) I wouldn't lose much sleep.
I think you read too much into it. People list him in among assets we have, but I dont hear anyone commenting on him specifically as anything near equal to KP and WH
That's giving up a lot. Magic wants to turn things around but I don't think he'd shorten the team's timeline to rely on PG and 35 year old Melo to take them places.
magic and Jeannie buss have already said they want superstars on the lakers and not looking fir a slow build
Is it really a lot though? Randle has been up and down and he's up to get a big contract. The Lakers are going to be able to attract big free agents, NBA players love LA. This trade allows them to clear the Deng and Clarkson salaries and avoid paying Randle. It also all hinges on them retaining their pick this year. Remember, if they keep the pick, their 2018 pick is unprotected so they have zero reason to tank next year.
They could trade the number 3 overall and Ingram for Paul George. Do the above trade for Melo. Go into next year with Russell, Melo, PG13, Zubac, Nance and maybe sign a vet PG. They would enter the 2018 season with a boatload of cap room and the ability to use the bird rights on Melo and George to go over the cap. Go after Westbrook or Cousins?
It's far fetched but its one of the only scenarios I could see the Knicks getting something back for Melo.
I just think you're overvaluing how much the Lakers would give up to clear salaries.
Ingram and the #3 pick for PG? The Lakers seem to have all of the leverage in this situation. That's an insane how much you'd have to give up for PG. PG will be getting a cousins-like return at this point (maybe less, he's an expiring after this upcoming season).
The Lakers would need to clear all of Clarkson, Randle, mozgov and Deng to make that work anyways (getting cousins, PG and keeping Melo on his player option).
Also seems Cousins is intent about getting the most money, so unless the Pelicans don't give him the max I think he ends up being in NO long term. Just speculation on my part.
He wasn't this good with the Knicks. I'm not sure he would've been, but lets not discredit how he's doing.
If the Knicks had a 24 year old SG that was putting up his numbers and wasn't named "Tim Hardaway Jr." we would all be talking about we had a core 3 and another top pick coming on top of that.
Counterpoint: he's the same player he was last year, albeit taking more shots. Shooting percentages by sub-distances arent materially different. He's added an assist per 36 minutes. WS48 is basically the same.
I'd probably be dreading the idea of having to pay $20+ million a season to resign him this summer more than I'd be celebrating increased volume. But that's my general feel about youth in the NBA. It's great for the first 4 seasons. Then even good players can kill you by eating your cap and preventing better picks, IF you dont have the superstars in place already.
Millsap is voiding his contract. I'm done watching the Knicks if we go after him.
Why would he even come here?
Good question but TRYING to sign him would mean 1. No plan and 2. They are just going to keep adding veterans with no chance of ever winning a title. Odds are he remains in Atl as he'd be leaving as much as 53 million on the table (4 years 154 if he signs with someone else, 5 for 207 if he stays there).
He'll be 33 next year. You're going to tie up 40 million per season for 5 years in Paul Millsap? Frankly, Im not sure that any team other than those with absolutely current title aspirations should consider offering Millsap the max. 33 years old. Not an elite athlete. Not a top 20 player. Got worse this year, statistically.
I wouldn't give up Randle for PG. Maybe Clarkson and the rockets #1.
Are you serious? Clarkson and a late 1st for Paul George?
Again, that seems like what everyone said about the cousins trade.
"hield and a 1st for Cousins?".
If PG is hell bent on coming to LA, why even trade for him? Get him in FA. I don't see what leverage the Pacers even have over the Lakers if george is serious about LA except that the Lakers need to clear some salaries.
I wouldn't give up Randle for PG. Maybe Clarkson and the rockets #1.
Are you serious? Clarkson and a late 1st for Paul George?
Again, that seems like what everyone said about the cousins trade.
"hield and a 1st for Cousins?".
If PG is hell bent on coming to LA, why even trade for him? Get him in FA. I don't see what leverage the Pacers even have over the Lakers if george is serious about LA except that the Lakers need to clear some salaries.
The Pacers obviously don't feel this is a done deal. They reportedly turned down significant offers from Boston and Philly.
But that's my general feel about youth in the NBA. It's great for the first 4 seasons. Then even good players can kill you by eating your cap and preventing better picks, IF you dont have the superstars in place already.
And that's why there are only ever three or four teams with a legitimate chance of winning a championship/
Paul george has now become an expiring and now you can just say "why not just wait for him next offseason?".
Same goes for everyone who thought we would get better offers for Melo in the offseason. No, Melo is 33 and can opt out. No ones giving anything of value for Melo when they can sign him in the offseason if they really wanted Melo that badly.
The Knicks have a clear path to building a really strong young core. The more I read about the 2018 draft, the stronger it sounds. Some really top prospects at the head of the draft.
Knicks need to pair KP/ Willy with hopefully a top 5 2017 pick. Trade Melo for whatever you can get. I really like Lee, but trade him for 2017 1st or future 1st. Don't sign any veterans- no Millsap/ Teague/ Holiday/ Hill.
Let the young team take its lumps in 2017. If they win then its a pleasant surprise and KP obviously makes a huge jump. If they lose big, they get another top pick. Then you truly have a young core you can build around and augment with FA signings after 2018.
The correct direction is so clear and I know they won't do it. They'll chase some veteran FAs and try to contend for the playoffs. The good thing is, Jackson has tried to do that 3 years now and failed miserably.
Very interesting quotes from Jennings and he makes some valid points. Hornacek doesn't look good here.
"It was just different. Every day it was just something different," Jennings said. "It was just like, if we could just stick to what we could do, we'll be fine. So at times, you'd just come into practice and you didn't know what was going on."
But high praise for KP and Willy.
"That's who they should build a team around, those two," Jennings said." That's just my personal opinion because they're very young, they're very good. I mean, Willy, in a couple years, he's going to be probably one of the best big men. He reminds me of Marc Gasol."
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Very interesting quotes from Jennings and he makes some valid points. Hornacek doesn't look good here.
"It was just different. Every day it was just something different," Jennings said. "It was just like, if we could just stick to what we could do, we'll be fine. So at times, you'd just come into practice and you didn't know what was going on."
But high praise for KP and Willy.
"That's who they should build a team around, those two," Jennings said." That's just my personal opinion because they're very young, they're very good. I mean, Willy, in a couple years, he's going to be probably one of the best big men. He reminds me of Marc Gasol." NYdailynews - ( New Window )
Hornacek admitted it was a mistake to try and run both and blend it..
i have no problem with running the triangle just stick to it and run it
I dont think the tram was clicking at all, offensively it was basically ok melo your turn and then next time ok rose your turn and kp sprinkled in...
there was not unity or team work and there was no defense..
the team thought they could win on talent alone and it blew up in their face
this i agree with their is a reason why the 2nd unit plays bettter
I remember this too...Gobert is a great young player. A different stratosphere than Noah at this point. Imagine a front line of him and KP??
I agree that there is too much focus on the offense BUT the biggest issue with the defense is the roster/talent. The good defensive teams have long, young, + athletes. We have lazy Rose and Melo, below average quickless Willy and overall a roster of guys who even in the best "system" would be below average defensively. We need an effort + athlete influx.
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looking to rile it up again but I recall someone on here arguing Gobert's contract looks terrible compared to Noah... I can't lie, it's all I could think of as Gobert took a hot steamer on the Knicks.
I remember this too...Gobert is a great young player. A different stratosphere than Noah at this point. Imagine a front line of him and KP??
A Gobert/KP frontline is something that really allows you to dream. Lets face it, it's going to be extremely tough to ever on paper be as good as the Warriors or Cavs etc but if you find things that you are really good at (rim protection?) maybe you give these types of teams more trouble than people expect.
Yeah the 2nd unit was different because jennings constantly fed the big guys on pick and roll...
Melo for Deng/ Clarkson/ Randle/ 2017 1st from Houston? Melo would have to agree to not exercise his player option after next season ( which he probably won't anyway). The Lakers clear 30 million in salary per year after next season. They also avoid having to give Randle an extension or matching an offer next year- which will be costly. The Knicks get Randle and late 1st this year. This obviously isn't likely but you never know. It could leave the Lakers with 60-70 million in cap room for the 2018 offseason. Russell/ 2017 pick/ Melo/ George/ Cousins? Now that's a quick rebuild....
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LA could be that spot..
trade for melo sign wade and paul, the following year melo opts out and he and levron split remaining cap space...
they all loke magic, so far they have burned bridges with the heat and knicks, where else is there?
Nets (BOS) : we wont catch
Lakers : we wont catch
Suns : we wont catch
Magic : +1.5
Sixers : +1.0
Kings : tied with NYK
Knicks
T'Wolves : -1.5
Pels : -3.0 and pulling away
Knicks are tied for 6/7. In the event of a tie, they average the balls. E.g. if this were the final standings, Knicks and Kings would evenly split the balls for the 6 and 7 picks, with a coin flip used to determine allocation of any extra ball (if any) and draft position in case neither team wins a top 3 pick.
Position is so key. #7 slot has a 15% chance of moving up. #5 slot has a 29.2% chance of moving up. I believe in us. I dont think any other team is as mentally broken as we are.
magic and Jeannie buss have already said they want superstars on the lakers and not looking fir a slow build
it feels wrong to do and i hate it to be honest but in the end it is the right thing...
i cant root against them but when they lose i see the bigger picture...
i was one of the people against tanking but at this point it is the only way to go
Six players are averaging > 19 ppg and shooting > 50% in March:
LeBron, Kyrie, Karl-Anthony Towns, Giannis, Jokic and .... Tim Hardaway Jr.
Six players are averaging > 19 ppg and shooting > 50% in March:
LeBron, Kyrie, Karl-Anthony Towns, Giannis, Jokic and .... Tim Hardaway Jr.
and no defense, he did this with the knicks, he had great stretches and a complete scrub in the others...
he is a scorer off the bench, i dont think he will ever be anything more
A fan should want their team to be successful. Success does not equate to winning games in a lost season where you are effectively eliminated, where the core starters are not long for the lineup, and where you're draft position is in play.
I think you're ok.
Educate him on how the NBA works (even the MLB). The Cubs are nice story, does anyone give 10 shits about how they got there?
And I still have scars from the tanks wars two years ago - rooting for these shitty teams to win this time of year is a fruitless exercise. I bet the current standings stay exactly as they are.
I just feel he's "unfairly" lumped in with KP and Willy. Granted, Willy doesn't really belong lumped in with KP but both could be above average starters on a very good team. Kuz isn't a average starter, not even on a bad team. He's solid but if they loved someone early 2nd round and swapped him for such a guy (presumably 6=7 years younger) I wouldn't lose much sleep.
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Six players are averaging > 19 ppg and shooting > 50% in March:
LeBron, Kyrie, Karl-Anthony Towns, Giannis, Jokic and .... Tim Hardaway Jr.
and no defense, he did this with the knicks, he had great stretches and a complete scrub in the others...
he is a scorer off the bench, i dont think he will ever be anything more
He wasn't this good with the Knicks. I'm not sure he would've been, but lets not discredit how he's doing.
If the Knicks had a 24 year old SG that was putting up his numbers and wasn't named "Tim Hardaway Jr." we would all be talking about we had a core 3 and another top pick coming on top of that.
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But he serves no purpose on the Knicks. He's a nice bench scoring option for a good team.
I just feel he's "unfairly" lumped in with KP and Willy. Granted, Willy doesn't really belong lumped in with KP but both could be above average starters on a very good team. Kuz isn't a average starter, not even on a bad team. He's solid but if they loved someone early 2nd round and swapped him for such a guy (presumably 6=7 years younger) I wouldn't lose much sleep.
I think you read too much into it. People list him in among assets we have, but I dont hear anyone commenting on him specifically as anything near equal to KP and WH
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That's giving up a lot. Magic wants to turn things around but I don't think he'd shorten the team's timeline to rely on PG and 35 year old Melo to take them places.
magic and Jeannie buss have already said they want superstars on the lakers and not looking fir a slow build
Is it really a lot though? Randle has been up and down and he's up to get a big contract. The Lakers are going to be able to attract big free agents, NBA players love LA. This trade allows them to clear the Deng and Clarkson salaries and avoid paying Randle. It also all hinges on them retaining their pick this year. Remember, if they keep the pick, their 2018 pick is unprotected so they have zero reason to tank next year.
They could trade the number 3 overall and Ingram for Paul George. Do the above trade for Melo. Go into next year with Russell, Melo, PG13, Zubac, Nance and maybe sign a vet PG. They would enter the 2018 season with a boatload of cap room and the ability to use the bird rights on Melo and George to go over the cap. Go after Westbrook or Cousins?
It's far fetched but its one of the only scenarios I could see the Knicks getting something back for Melo.
Ingram and the #3 pick for PG? The Lakers seem to have all of the leverage in this situation. That's an insane how much you'd have to give up for PG. PG will be getting a cousins-like return at this point (maybe less, he's an expiring after this upcoming season).
The Lakers would need to clear all of Clarkson, Randle, mozgov and Deng to make that work anyways (getting cousins, PG and keeping Melo on his player option).
Also seems Cousins is intent about getting the most money, so unless the Pelicans don't give him the max I think he ends up being in NO long term. Just speculation on my part.
Why would he even come here?
He wasn't this good with the Knicks. I'm not sure he would've been, but lets not discredit how he's doing.
If the Knicks had a 24 year old SG that was putting up his numbers and wasn't named "Tim Hardaway Jr." we would all be talking about we had a core 3 and another top pick coming on top of that.
Counterpoint: he's the same player he was last year, albeit taking more shots. Shooting percentages by sub-distances arent materially different. He's added an assist per 36 minutes. WS48 is basically the same.
I'd probably be dreading the idea of having to pay $20+ million a season to resign him this summer more than I'd be celebrating increased volume. But that's my general feel about youth in the NBA. It's great for the first 4 seasons. Then even good players can kill you by eating your cap and preventing better picks, IF you dont have the superstars in place already.
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Millsap is voiding his contract. I'm done watching the Knicks if we go after him.
Why would he even come here?
Good question but TRYING to sign him would mean 1. No plan and 2. They are just going to keep adding veterans with no chance of ever winning a title. Odds are he remains in Atl as he'd be leaving as much as 53 million on the table (4 years 154 if he signs with someone else, 5 for 207 if he stays there).
Are you serious? Clarkson and a late 1st for Paul George?
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I wouldn't give up Randle for PG. Maybe Clarkson and the rockets #1.
Are you serious? Clarkson and a late 1st for Paul George?
Again, that seems like what everyone said about the cousins trade.
"hield and a 1st for Cousins?".
If PG is hell bent on coming to LA, why even trade for him? Get him in FA. I don't see what leverage the Pacers even have over the Lakers if george is serious about LA except that the Lakers need to clear some salaries.
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I wouldn't give up Randle for PG. Maybe Clarkson and the rockets #1.
Are you serious? Clarkson and a late 1st for Paul George?
Again, that seems like what everyone said about the cousins trade.
"hield and a 1st for Cousins?".
If PG is hell bent on coming to LA, why even trade for him? Get him in FA. I don't see what leverage the Pacers even have over the Lakers if george is serious about LA except that the Lakers need to clear some salaries.
The Pacers obviously don't feel this is a done deal. They reportedly turned down significant offers from Boston and Philly.
And that's why there are only ever three or four teams with a legitimate chance of winning a championship/
Same goes for everyone who thought we would get better offers for Melo in the offseason. No, Melo is 33 and can opt out. No ones giving anything of value for Melo when they can sign him in the offseason if they really wanted Melo that badly.
Knicks need to pair KP/ Willy with hopefully a top 5 2017 pick. Trade Melo for whatever you can get. I really like Lee, but trade him for 2017 1st or future 1st. Don't sign any veterans- no Millsap/ Teague/ Holiday/ Hill.
Let the young team take its lumps in 2017. If they win then its a pleasant surprise and KP obviously makes a huge jump. If they lose big, they get another top pick. Then you truly have a young core you can build around and augment with FA signings after 2018.
The correct direction is so clear and I know they won't do it. They'll chase some veteran FAs and try to contend for the playoffs. The good thing is, Jackson has tried to do that 3 years now and failed miserably.