Draft Express has him at #9 and dropping. Yup everyone has him in the top 7 ok proven wrong. So you want to take a player maybe top 5?) who averages 12.0 pts per game and build your team around? I'll pass. You can find 12 pt players all day in the NBA which are not top 5 picks. As said, 35% from 3? Got to stroke it better than that. 51% from the floor? at 6'11" he better do that all day around the rim.
Yes use flat out point per game averages. Shit why wouldn't Luke Kennard go #1 overall using that deep scouting insight?
Draft Nets and CBS have him 6. Ford had him top 7 last time I checked.
Hakeem Olajuwon averaged 8 ppg in his freshman year. Embiid averaged 10. Wiggins averaged like 16 or 17 in many more minutes played.
Don't understand how ppg is a substitute for scouting. You'd pick all seniors if that were the case.
60% from 2. And that's factoring he's a jump shooter. He's one of the most efficient players around the rim in college (probably the most efficient SF too).
are other guys they've done a nice job developing. They havent had premium picks to develop. I guess you could get on them for not turning any picks into home runs.
I am not trying to sound like i am ripping the hawks, they are a well run team, but to say they are so much better than the knicks because of tim hardaway jinior is asinine..
guess what role players look better on better teams
we'd be lucky to come away with a prospect with as high a ceiling as Isaac. If we win just two more games down the stretch we're probably in the seventh slot. We're getting a little carried away with this top five stuff. Sacramento and Orlando are terrible, and Philly can tank as well as anyone in sports history.
we'd be lucky to come away with a prospect with as high a ceiling as Isaac. If we win just two more games down the stretch we're probably in the seventh slot. We're getting a little carried away with this top five stuff. Sacramento and Orlando are terrible, and Philly can tank as well as anyone in sports history.
Philly has a lot of experience with tanking and you have to like their odds down the stretch given that they've been there so many times before and came through.
we'd be lucky to come away with a prospect with as high a ceiling as Isaac. If we win just two more games down the stretch we're probably in the seventh slot. We're getting a little carried away with this top five stuff. Sacramento and Orlando are terrible, and Philly can tank as well as anyone in sports history.
See the sixers can win though since the Kings hedge their bets. We only need to be worse than one or the other. And the sixers are halfway decent so I like their odds more.
are other guys they've done a nice job developing. They havent had premium picks to develop. I guess you could get on them for not turning any picks into home runs.
I am not trying to sound like i am ripping the hawks, they are a well run team, but to say they are so much better than the knicks because of tim hardaway jinior is asinine..
guess what role players look better on better teams
I really don't think it's an outrageous statement to say the Hawks are superior at player development than the Knicks. Which player have the Knicks significantly improved over Phil's tenure?
The Hawks? - Demarre Carrol, Korver, Millsap, Bazemore, Teague, Schroeder and yes Hardaway JR- he has improved dramatically since he got there. This will be the 3rd straight offseason where a wing the Hawks picked up off the scrap heap will get a big contract. That's not a coincidence.
Draft Express has him at #9 and dropping. Yup everyone has him in the top 7 ok proven wrong. So you want to take a player maybe top 5?) who averages 12.0 pts per game and build your team around? I'll pass. You can find 12 pt players all day in the NBA which are not top 5 picks. As said, 35% from 3? Got to stroke it better than that. 51% from the floor? at 6'11" he better do that all day around the rim.
Russell Westbrook was a 3.4 ppg scorer as a freshman and a 12.7 ppg scorer (in 34 minutes!) as a soph. Your analysis is broken.
Complaining about a near 7 foot freshman shooting 35% from three is just bonkers. Period.
will say this (and I know it aint happening) but I sure as hell would keep my eyes on Coach Bud going forward. I think the guy is an A+ coach.
Totally agree. Just tried to doing quick search of his contract and couldn't find anything definitive. Would love to give him total control of the Knicks. One can hope.....
are other guys they've done a nice job developing. They havent had premium picks to develop. I guess you could get on them for not turning any picks into home runs.
I am not trying to sound like i am ripping the hawks, they are a well run team, but to say they are so much better than the knicks because of tim hardaway jinior is asinine..
guess what role players look better on better teams
I really don't think it's an outrageous statement to say the Hawks are superior at player development than the Knicks. Which player have the Knicks significantly improved over Phil's tenure?
The Hawks? - Demarre Carrol, Korver, Millsap, Bazemore, Teague, Schroeder and yes Hardaway JR- he has improved dramatically since he got there. This will be the 3rd straight offseason where a wing the Hawks picked up off the scrap heap will get a big contract. That's not a coincidence.
that is part of having a better culture, player development set up, and such. even though i have been told that doesnt matter.
It doesn't matter. Everyone said the Nets aren't exactly the god damn Spurs yet. But keep fabricating all these pack of "haters" that contest everything you say.
are other guys they've done a nice job developing. They havent had premium picks to develop. I guess you could get on them for not turning any picks into home runs.
I am not trying to sound like i am ripping the hawks, they are a well run team, but to say they are so much better than the knicks because of tim hardaway jinior is asinine..
guess what role players look better on better teams
I really don't think it's an outrageous statement to say the Hawks are superior at player development than the Knicks. Which player have the Knicks significantly improved over Phil's tenure?
The Hawks? - Demarre Carrol, Korver, Millsap, Bazemore, Teague, Schroeder and yes Hardaway JR- he has improved dramatically since he got there. This will be the 3rd straight offseason where a wing the Hawks picked up off the scrap heap will get a big contract. That's not a coincidence.
you just mentioned a bunch of role players..
guess what when you play on a good team your role players look better especially with a good head coach..
porzingis has not improved?
and please stop with hardaway jr, he is the same player, he is a scorer and thats it he does nothing else well..
millsap was a good player with utah as well, you want to say he improved hia 3 point shot? isnt that the player adding to his game to fit the offense?
bazemore looks like dog shit this year, he got a big contract and has regressed...
Knicks have the worst, Sacramento's not far behind, Philly's trying to change theirs a bit...am I missing anybody? It should be the norm that NBA franchises develop players and create an environment for them to succeed. Someone tell that to Dolan.
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Would you trade our pick right now for Zach Lavine without knowing where it landed? What if it ends up being 6 or later?
I had Dunn included originally, but what about just Lavine? Or with a noah/Dieng swap included as well?
Without knowing where it landed, no. 6 or later for me yes. If the Knicks had a 22 (all of next season) PG/SG coming off a 19, 3.4 rebound, 3 assist 1 steal on 46/39 age 21 season we would be calling him untouchable. I think Wiggins/LaVine are a poor fit. The flip side is if you think LaVine is more Jamal Crawford than ascending "star" at the 2.
solid no, when you factor in the injury, fact that he's a year away from getting paid, and the fact that he is not even yet a solid starter (PER/WS48).
Carrol and Teague both looked like they've dropped off since leaving Atlanta.
No ones saying THJR is a superstar. That doesn't happen. Players who aren't going to be stars don't turn magically into stars. They play better in better situations. THJR is more efficient and is averaging more assists. Can you really argue that? Those are facts. He's the same exact player, he's just contributing more efficiently in a better environment.
Baze has actually been playing pretty well since he slumped to start the year. And he was on a good team before, those Warriors teams were in the playoffs. He's just better in a better environment (compared to the mark Jackson warriors, not Steve Kerr).
will say it's nuts how many minutes Thibs plays his guys. I doubt it ever impacts Towns (the absolute dream "Next Summer of Lebron" target for me) but LaVine 38 minutes per game? Wiggins 37?
Hitdog still rambling on with his "culture" obsession. Wtf, man. Get a grip. Every freaking NBA thread has to have at least one hitdog post on culture. Ok, we get it. The Nets are the culture front runners of the NBA and every single player wants to play for them because of that awesome culture. Can you move on now and find another weird ass thing to obsess about?
I prefer to gamble on greatness so the chance of a top 3 pick Im not giving up for Lavine. If you told me we have the 6/7 pick after the lottery and can move that for Lavine (which I think is actually plausible), I'd have to think about it. If you do that, you're effectively committing to maxing him out the following offseason. Maybe you get one more top 10 pick and then the guys are too mature to get back into the lottery like that. KP-Lavine-Willy-2018 pick.
I wouldnt throw a tantrum if the team scouts Lavine as worth the pick. It would lock us into a youth movement, which I like.
Carrol and Teague both looked like they've dropped off since leaving Atlanta.
No ones saying THJR is a superstar. That doesn't happen. Players who aren't going to be stars don't turn magically into stars. They play better in better situations. THJR is more efficient and is averaging more assists. Can you really argue that? Those are facts. He's the same exact player, he's just contributing more efficiently in a better environment.
Baze has actually been playing pretty well since he slumped to start the year. And he was on a good team before, those Warriors teams were in the playoffs. He's just better in a better environment (compared to the mark Jackson warriors, not Steve Kerr).
Did i not say that role players play better on winning teams?
my point was beaides millsap he mentioned a bunch of role players that benefited from the system they run and the culture of a good team..
good teams breed good role players, look at the spurs they can win games sitting their stars because their players know ther roles and their system...
give me the player besides schroeder that the hawks have developed from the draft to be a big time player?
Schroeder i give you because he has been good this year
draft class has been utter garbage but anyone notice how well Juancho (Willy's brother) has played in limited minutes? Looks like a really nice pick by Denver at 15th in a meh draft.
are other guys they've done a nice job developing. They havent had premium picks to develop. I guess you could get on them for not turning any picks into home runs.
I am not trying to sound like i am ripping the hawks, they are a well run team, but to say they are so much better than the knicks because of tim hardaway jinior is asinine..
guess what role players look better on better teams
I really don't think it's an outrageous statement to say the Hawks are superior at player development than the Knicks. Which player have the Knicks significantly improved over Phil's tenure?
The Hawks? - Demarre Carrol, Korver, Millsap, Bazemore, Teague, Schroeder and yes Hardaway JR- he has improved dramatically since he got there. This will be the 3rd straight offseason where a wing the Hawks picked up off the scrap heap will get a big contract. That's not a coincidence.
you just mentioned a bunch of role players..
guess what when you play on a good team your role players look better especially with a good head coach..
porzingis has not improved?
and please stop with hardaway jr, he is the same player, he is a scorer and thats it he does nothing else well..
millsap was a good player with utah as well, you want to say he improved hia 3 point shot? isnt that the player adding to his game to fit the offense?
bazemore looks like dog shit this year, he got a big contract and has regressed...
You are making my point for me. Having a good head coach maximizes a players talent and puts them in the correct roles. Bud does that.
I personally don't think Porzingis has improved signifcantly since he came in the league. I'd feel alot better with him being developed by Budenholzer than the Knicks situation.
As for Millsap, he became an all star since he came to Atlanta. I know the east is weaker, but that's not just because he's shooting 3s. And if he's addding to his game to fit the offense- that's positive from a good system Atlanta runs.
I really don't understand how this is a debate. You wouldn't trade Derek Fisher/ Hornacek for Budenholzer? He's a top NBA coach that wins every year.
I prefer to gamble on greatness so the chance of a top 3 pick Im not giving up for Lavine. If you told me we have the 6/7 pick after the lottery and can move that for Lavine (which I think is actually plausible), I'd have to think about it. If you do that, you're effectively committing to maxing him out the following offseason. Maybe you get one more top 10 pick and then the guys are too mature to get back into the lottery like that. KP-Lavine-Willy-2018 pick.
I wouldnt throw a tantrum if the team scouts Lavine as worth the pick. It would lock us into a youth movement, which I like.
I wouldn't even think of moving a top 3 pick for him but I do think when you get to the 6-8 range that LaVine's odds of being an all-star are at least as high as any of the guys who will be there. This is a good draft but it's not filled with 10 HOF prospects. If LaVine were somehow thrown back into the draft he'd likely go in the 4-8 range and would be a scouts call.
is easily one of my least favorite Knicks ever. Mr. Excuse
“It’s a relief be on the road together, build that bond we’ve been trying to build the entire year, coming here in nice weather, loosens guys up and makes them feel good,’’ said Rose, wearing his Hollywood shades.
i said those players look better because of great coaching and a good team..
bit you cant say they developed players if most of their players are free agent signings or trades...
and pirzingis has not added anything seriously? better shooter and added 5 more ppg to his average..next thing is for him to add some trength and be abetter rebounder
My point was bazemore, carol and Teague were on winning teams before (counting the old Hawks regime) and after being under the bud-Hawks and haven't played as well when not playing under him.
Hitdog still rambling on with his "culture" obsession. Wtf, man. Get a grip. Every freaking NBA thread has to have at least one hitdog post on culture. Ok, we get it. The Nets are the culture front runners of the NBA and every single player wants to play for them because of that awesome culture. Can you move on now and find another weird ass thing to obsess about?
had no idea Rose lived in LA during the off-season. Must really miss his kid being so far away...
If they bring him back that is nail in the coffin for me as a Knicks fan. From an entertainment perspective he's awful to watch, he doesn't play hard, always has an excuse, and straight up skipped an NBA game without notice. I can't believe he's still on the team.
LA is where the "rape' accusation occurred with Rose and friends.
It's crazy how many NBA guys live in LA in the offseason. I can't say I blame them. Aside from being a marquee franchise, this is why the Lakers will be able to rebuild quickly if they are run correctly. Players love it there- great weather, blend in with other celebs, get to live in mansions with privacy...Not too shabby.
My point was bazemore, carol and Teague were on winning teams before (counting the old Hawks regime) and after being under the bud-Hawks and haven't played as well when not playing under him.
teague i will give you, i forgot they drafted him..
carroll is what he is, a 3 and d glue guy..
bazemore i think is overpaid and never deserved that contract, they didnt pay carroll to play bazemore them overpaid him
had no idea Rose lived in LA during the off-season. Must really miss his kid being so far away...
If they bring him back that is nail in the coffin for me as a Knicks fan. From an entertainment perspective he's awful to watch, he doesn't play hard, always has an excuse, and straight up skipped an NBA game without notice. I can't believe he's still on the team.
LA is where the "rape' accusation occurred with Rose and friends.
It's crazy how many NBA guys live in LA in the offseason. I can't say I blame them. Aside from being a marquee franchise, this is why the Lakers will be able to rebuild quickly if they are run correctly. Players love it there- great weather, blend in with other celebs, get to live in mansions with privacy...Not too shabby.
players live in la in the summer for the beautiful weather and most trainers that the nba players use are based in la..
for example rose and westbrook use the same la based trainer
RE: Tyree where did i say bud is not a good head coach? Â
i said those players look better because of great coaching and a good team..
bit you cant say they developed players if most of their players are free agent signings or trades...
and pirzingis has not added anything seriously? better shooter and added 5 more ppg to his average..next thing is for him to add some trength and be abetter rebounder
Why can't you develop players you trade or sign? My point is Bud is a great coach/ developer who maximizes the talent on his team. I can't say the same for the Knicks recently.
My hate for the Knicks is at an all time high right now so take this with a grain of salt, but I can't credit the Knicks with any improvement of KP. If anything I think they have helped him develop some shitty habits- shot selection and team defense specifically.
My point was bazemore, carol and Teague were on winning teams before (counting the old Hawks regime) and after being under the bud-Hawks and haven't played as well when not playing under him.
teague i will give you, i forgot they drafted him..
carroll is what he is, a 3 and d glue guy..
bazemore i think is overpaid and never deserved that contract, they didnt pay carroll to play bazemore them overpaid him
What does drafting them have to do with anything? The point is all these guys have hit their peak under the Bud-Hawks.
Bazemore was on a playoff team before Atlanta. So was Carol. Carrol and Teague were on playoff teams after Atlanta and both fell off.
I really don't understand how this is blasphemy to say there are teams with proven track records of getting the most of their players. I don't see how it'd shocking at all.
is that none of their starters decide to skip a game to fly home without telling anyone where they're going. It's something they do better than the Knicks.
unprovable. How can you argue a player can you only be developed by the team he is drafted by? One player can't be drafted and tenured by two teams. In fact, the ONLY way to compare how a team develops players is if you have seen them on multiple teams.
My point was bazemore, carol and Teague were on winning teams before (counting the old Hawks regime) and after being under the bud-Hawks and haven't played as well when not playing under him.
teague i will give you, i forgot they drafted him..
carroll is what he is, a 3 and d glue guy..
bazemore i think is overpaid and never deserved that contract, they didnt pay carroll to play bazemore them overpaid him
What does drafting them have to do with anything? The point is all these guys have hit their peak under the Bud-Hawks.
Bazemore was on a playoff team before Atlanta. So was Carol. Carrol and Teague were on playoff teams after Atlanta and both fell off.
I really don't understand how this is blasphemy to say there are teams with proven track records of getting the most of their players. I don't see how it'd shocking at all.
bevause i dont see how the hawks are considered this great well run team..
they are the definition of a treadmill team...
the spurs are a great well run team that develops players..
the warriors ate a great run team that develops players..
turning players off the scrap heap and turning them into role players is not some great development to me, sorry i just dont think so
With JT III being canned by Georgetown today, how awesome would it be for Ewing to get that job? Imagine if both Ewing and Mullin could turn their respective schools back into winners.....those matchups could be great.
if the knicks became the hawks and were the 4th or 5th see every year and only winning a round evry year you going to be happy?
I really have no idea where you are going with this. How is that relevant at all? Bud inherited a team with good players (but not superstars) and won 60 games with them 2 years later.
What does being stuck with a team with average talent have remotely anything to do with player development?
hawks have a great head coach that gets the moat out of his players Â
Certainly is a big downside. But comparatively he's like what, 1 year older than josh Jackson?
His WS/48 is about the same as KPs and he's the same age.
There are key differences. KP hasnt made his leap yet, like ZL did this year. Everyone's got that leap in them. KP has a year less on him. KP doesnt currently have a major knee injury. And he's just a different prospect -- still physically not remotely done, YOU HOPE. A unicorn shooter/rim protector. I just think there is a lot more projectability on KP. I.e. I can tell myself a story that he's going to get a lot better and be an unstoppable volume shooter who murders defenses. ZL it's a different story. Still a good one.
But in any event, if we were a year out of giving KP 40 million/per and this is what he was after THREE seasons, I wouldnt be doing backflips. I'd be worried
Yes use flat out point per game averages. Shit why wouldn't Luke Kennard go #1 overall using that deep scouting insight?
Draft Nets and CBS have him 6. Ford had him top 7 last time I checked.
Hakeem Olajuwon averaged 8 ppg in his freshman year. Embiid averaged 10. Wiggins averaged like 16 or 17 in many more minutes played.
Don't understand how ppg is a substitute for scouting. You'd pick all seniors if that were the case.
I am not trying to sound like i am ripping the hawks, they are a well run team, but to say they are so much better than the knicks because of tim hardaway jinior is asinine..
guess what role players look better on better teams
Philly has a lot of experience with tanking and you have to like their odds down the stretch given that they've been there so many times before and came through.
See the sixers can win though since the Kings hedge their bets. We only need to be worse than one or the other. And the sixers are halfway decent so I like their odds more.
Lose the last game.
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are other guys they've done a nice job developing. They havent had premium picks to develop. I guess you could get on them for not turning any picks into home runs.
I am not trying to sound like i am ripping the hawks, they are a well run team, but to say they are so much better than the knicks because of tim hardaway jinior is asinine..
guess what role players look better on better teams
I really don't think it's an outrageous statement to say the Hawks are superior at player development than the Knicks. Which player have the Knicks significantly improved over Phil's tenure?
The Hawks? - Demarre Carrol, Korver, Millsap, Bazemore, Teague, Schroeder and yes Hardaway JR- he has improved dramatically since he got there. This will be the 3rd straight offseason where a wing the Hawks picked up off the scrap heap will get a big contract. That's not a coincidence.
Russell Westbrook was a 3.4 ppg scorer as a freshman and a 12.7 ppg scorer (in 34 minutes!) as a soph. Your analysis is broken.
Complaining about a near 7 foot freshman shooting 35% from three is just bonkers. Period.
Totally agree. Just tried to doing quick search of his contract and couldn't find anything definitive. Would love to give him total control of the Knicks. One can hope.....
I had Dunn included originally, but what about just Lavine? Or with a noah/Dieng swap included as well?
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are other guys they've done a nice job developing. They havent had premium picks to develop. I guess you could get on them for not turning any picks into home runs.
I am not trying to sound like i am ripping the hawks, they are a well run team, but to say they are so much better than the knicks because of tim hardaway jinior is asinine..
guess what role players look better on better teams
I really don't think it's an outrageous statement to say the Hawks are superior at player development than the Knicks. Which player have the Knicks significantly improved over Phil's tenure?
The Hawks? - Demarre Carrol, Korver, Millsap, Bazemore, Teague, Schroeder and yes Hardaway JR- he has improved dramatically since he got there. This will be the 3rd straight offseason where a wing the Hawks picked up off the scrap heap will get a big contract. That's not a coincidence.
that is part of having a better culture, player development set up, and such. even though i have been told that doesnt matter.
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are other guys they've done a nice job developing. They havent had premium picks to develop. I guess you could get on them for not turning any picks into home runs.
I am not trying to sound like i am ripping the hawks, they are a well run team, but to say they are so much better than the knicks because of tim hardaway jinior is asinine..
guess what role players look better on better teams
I really don't think it's an outrageous statement to say the Hawks are superior at player development than the Knicks. Which player have the Knicks significantly improved over Phil's tenure?
The Hawks? - Demarre Carrol, Korver, Millsap, Bazemore, Teague, Schroeder and yes Hardaway JR- he has improved dramatically since he got there. This will be the 3rd straight offseason where a wing the Hawks picked up off the scrap heap will get a big contract. That's not a coincidence.
you just mentioned a bunch of role players..
guess what when you play on a good team your role players look better especially with a good head coach..
porzingis has not improved?
and please stop with hardaway jr, he is the same player, he is a scorer and thats it he does nothing else well..
millsap was a good player with utah as well, you want to say he improved hia 3 point shot? isnt that the player adding to his game to fit the offense?
bazemore looks like dog shit this year, he got a big contract and has regressed...
I had Dunn included originally, but what about just Lavine? Or with a noah/Dieng swap included as well?
Without knowing where it landed, no. 6 or later for me yes. If the Knicks had a 22 (all of next season) PG/SG coming off a 19, 3.4 rebound, 3 assist 1 steal on 46/39 age 21 season we would be calling him untouchable. I think Wiggins/LaVine are a poor fit. The flip side is if you think LaVine is more Jamal Crawford than ascending "star" at the 2.
No ones saying THJR is a superstar. That doesn't happen. Players who aren't going to be stars don't turn magically into stars. They play better in better situations. THJR is more efficient and is averaging more assists. Can you really argue that? Those are facts. He's the same exact player, he's just contributing more efficiently in a better environment.
Baze has actually been playing pretty well since he slumped to start the year. And he was on a good team before, those Warriors teams were in the playoffs. He's just better in a better environment (compared to the mark Jackson warriors, not Steve Kerr).
I wouldnt throw a tantrum if the team scouts Lavine as worth the pick. It would lock us into a youth movement, which I like.
No ones saying THJR is a superstar. That doesn't happen. Players who aren't going to be stars don't turn magically into stars. They play better in better situations. THJR is more efficient and is averaging more assists. Can you really argue that? Those are facts. He's the same exact player, he's just contributing more efficiently in a better environment.
Baze has actually been playing pretty well since he slumped to start the year. And he was on a good team before, those Warriors teams were in the playoffs. He's just better in a better environment (compared to the mark Jackson warriors, not Steve Kerr).
Did i not say that role players play better on winning teams?
my point was beaides millsap he mentioned a bunch of role players that benefited from the system they run and the culture of a good team..
good teams breed good role players, look at the spurs they can win games sitting their stars because their players know ther roles and their system...
give me the player besides schroeder that the hawks have developed from the draft to be a big time player?
Schroeder i give you because he has been good this year
Eric is 100% right. You're not a "real fan." You're a Knicks fan.
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are other guys they've done a nice job developing. They havent had premium picks to develop. I guess you could get on them for not turning any picks into home runs.
I am not trying to sound like i am ripping the hawks, they are a well run team, but to say they are so much better than the knicks because of tim hardaway jinior is asinine..
guess what role players look better on better teams
I really don't think it's an outrageous statement to say the Hawks are superior at player development than the Knicks. Which player have the Knicks significantly improved over Phil's tenure?
The Hawks? - Demarre Carrol, Korver, Millsap, Bazemore, Teague, Schroeder and yes Hardaway JR- he has improved dramatically since he got there. This will be the 3rd straight offseason where a wing the Hawks picked up off the scrap heap will get a big contract. That's not a coincidence.
you just mentioned a bunch of role players..
guess what when you play on a good team your role players look better especially with a good head coach..
porzingis has not improved?
and please stop with hardaway jr, he is the same player, he is a scorer and thats it he does nothing else well..
millsap was a good player with utah as well, you want to say he improved hia 3 point shot? isnt that the player adding to his game to fit the offense?
bazemore looks like dog shit this year, he got a big contract and has regressed...
You are making my point for me. Having a good head coach maximizes a players talent and puts them in the correct roles. Bud does that.
I personally don't think Porzingis has improved signifcantly since he came in the league. I'd feel alot better with him being developed by Budenholzer than the Knicks situation.
As for Millsap, he became an all star since he came to Atlanta. I know the east is weaker, but that's not just because he's shooting 3s. And if he's addding to his game to fit the offense- that's positive from a good system Atlanta runs.
I really don't understand how this is a debate. You wouldn't trade Derek Fisher/ Hornacek for Budenholzer? He's a top NBA coach that wins every year.
I wouldnt throw a tantrum if the team scouts Lavine as worth the pick. It would lock us into a youth movement, which I like.
I wouldn't even think of moving a top 3 pick for him but I do think when you get to the 6-8 range that LaVine's odds of being an all-star are at least as high as any of the guys who will be there. This is a good draft but it's not filled with 10 HOF prospects. If LaVine were somehow thrown back into the draft he'd likely go in the 4-8 range and would be a scouts call.
“It’s a relief be on the road together, build that bond we’ve been trying to build the entire year, coming here in nice weather, loosens guys up and makes them feel good,’’ said Rose, wearing his Hollywood shades.
bit you cant say they developed players if most of their players are free agent signings or trades...
and pirzingis has not added anything seriously? better shooter and added 5 more ppg to his average..next thing is for him to add some trength and be abetter rebounder
he gets his kid 5 days a week in the summer when his school is over
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had no idea Rose lived in LA during the off-season. Must really miss his kid being so far away...
he gets his kid 5 days a week in the summer when his school is over
Good. Hopefully the Lakers sign this loser. Good riddance.
you my friend are a stalker- quite strange.
If they bring him back that is nail in the coffin for me as a Knicks fan. From an entertainment perspective he's awful to watch, he doesn't play hard, always has an excuse, and straight up skipped an NBA game without notice. I can't believe he's still on the team.
LA is where the "rape' accusation occurred with Rose and friends.
It's crazy how many NBA guys live in LA in the offseason. I can't say I blame them. Aside from being a marquee franchise, this is why the Lakers will be able to rebuild quickly if they are run correctly. Players love it there- great weather, blend in with other celebs, get to live in mansions with privacy...Not too shabby.
teague i will give you, i forgot they drafted him..
carroll is what he is, a 3 and d glue guy..
bazemore i think is overpaid and never deserved that contract, they didnt pay carroll to play bazemore them overpaid him
His WS/48 is about the same as KPs and he's the same age.
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had no idea Rose lived in LA during the off-season. Must really miss his kid being so far away...
If they bring him back that is nail in the coffin for me as a Knicks fan. From an entertainment perspective he's awful to watch, he doesn't play hard, always has an excuse, and straight up skipped an NBA game without notice. I can't believe he's still on the team.
LA is where the "rape' accusation occurred with Rose and friends.
It's crazy how many NBA guys live in LA in the offseason. I can't say I blame them. Aside from being a marquee franchise, this is why the Lakers will be able to rebuild quickly if they are run correctly. Players love it there- great weather, blend in with other celebs, get to live in mansions with privacy...Not too shabby.
players live in la in the summer for the beautiful weather and most trainers that the nba players use are based in la..
for example rose and westbrook use the same la based trainer
bit you cant say they developed players if most of their players are free agent signings or trades...
and pirzingis has not added anything seriously? better shooter and added 5 more ppg to his average..next thing is for him to add some trength and be abetter rebounder
Why can't you develop players you trade or sign? My point is Bud is a great coach/ developer who maximizes the talent on his team. I can't say the same for the Knicks recently.
My hate for the Knicks is at an all time high right now so take this with a grain of salt, but I can't credit the Knicks with any improvement of KP. If anything I think they have helped him develop some shitty habits- shot selection and team defense specifically.
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My point was bazemore, carol and Teague were on winning teams before (counting the old Hawks regime) and after being under the bud-Hawks and haven't played as well when not playing under him.
teague i will give you, i forgot they drafted him..
carroll is what he is, a 3 and d glue guy..
bazemore i think is overpaid and never deserved that contract, they didnt pay carroll to play bazemore them overpaid him
What does drafting them have to do with anything? The point is all these guys have hit their peak under the Bud-Hawks.
Bazemore was on a playoff team before Atlanta. So was Carol. Carrol and Teague were on playoff teams after Atlanta and both fell off.
I really don't understand how this is blasphemy to say there are teams with proven track records of getting the most of their players. I don't see how it'd shocking at all.
I'm beyond confused right now.
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My point was bazemore, carol and Teague were on winning teams before (counting the old Hawks regime) and after being under the bud-Hawks and haven't played as well when not playing under him.
teague i will give you, i forgot they drafted him..
carroll is what he is, a 3 and d glue guy..
bazemore i think is overpaid and never deserved that contract, they didnt pay carroll to play bazemore them overpaid him
What does drafting them have to do with anything? The point is all these guys have hit their peak under the Bud-Hawks.
Bazemore was on a playoff team before Atlanta. So was Carol. Carrol and Teague were on playoff teams after Atlanta and both fell off.
I really don't understand how this is blasphemy to say there are teams with proven track records of getting the most of their players. I don't see how it'd shocking at all.
bevause i dont see how the hawks are considered this great well run team..
they are the definition of a treadmill team...
the spurs are a great well run team that develops players..
the warriors ate a great run team that develops players..
turning players off the scrap heap and turning them into role players is not some great development to me, sorry i just dont think so
I really have no idea where you are going with this. How is that relevant at all? Bud inherited a team with good players (but not superstars) and won 60 games with them 2 years later.
What does being stuck with a team with average talent have remotely anything to do with player development?
but i dont view thebhawks as this team that just develops players, sorry i dont
Spurs don't win 1 ring without Duncan.
Klay and Steph were on path to becoming all stars before Kerr even step foot there.
Milsap, horford and Dwight aren't Duncan, Kawhi, Steph and Klay.
His WS/48 is about the same as KPs and he's the same age.
There are key differences. KP hasnt made his leap yet, like ZL did this year. Everyone's got that leap in them. KP has a year less on him. KP doesnt currently have a major knee injury. And he's just a different prospect -- still physically not remotely done, YOU HOPE. A unicorn shooter/rim protector. I just think there is a lot more projectability on KP. I.e. I can tell myself a story that he's going to get a lot better and be an unstoppable volume shooter who murders defenses. ZL it's a different story. Still a good one.
But in any event, if we were a year out of giving KP 40 million/per and this is what he was after THREE seasons, I wouldnt be doing backflips. I'd be worried