I read and watch of Smith the more I like. I'd be happy with him or Fox honestly. But, I really love Jackson and Tatum. Which means we'll end up with the kid from France.
Looks like scouts are catching onto DJ Wilson now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9N6VZXkTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-UuCz5vXI
Cool thanks for those links. Yeah like I said at the time I admittedly am spotty with my college basketball watching outside of watching the projected top picks (until the tourney at least) but sometimes you throw on a game, see a guy who looks like he could be an NBA player, look him up and not see much about him. Wilson caught my eye. Moves really well for that height and 3 point range. I'm a fan. I'd absolutely be interested in the 2nd round. 7'3 wingspan. Very intriguing name in the 2nd. Not sure what went into his improvement but very interesting skillset
Everyone likes Melo, nobody wants to play with him. Melo will be great on a super team as long as there are 3 players better than him and the best player is Lebron. Other than that, he won't win a thing.
SANTA MONICA, Calif. — Kristaps Porzingis was the first to see something and say something when he expressed that despite the Knicks’ early-season success, something was missing. The second-year big man proved to have great foresight.
“I think it was pretty easy to tell from the inside that we’re not that good of a team,” Porzingis said after Sunday’s practice. “We can win games based off of our talent, but that’s not going to last long, and that’s exactly what happened.”
With Carmelo Anthony, Rose and Porzingis, the Knicks thought they could be one of the top teams in the East and be able to make some noise in the playoffs. But Rose lamented that they never developed chemistry. “We didn’t click,” he said. “We didn’t have that connection that we wanted throughout the season. You need that to go far in this league.”
Is there a quote I'm missing because nowhere does he discuss the lockerroom chemistry. Everything he says is on the court.
Jennings basically echos what much of BBI thinks is the case- Â
“It was just too much going on behind the scenes that I didn’t understand.”
“It was just different. Every day it was just something different,” Jennings said. “It was just like, if we could just stick to what we could do, we’ll be fine. So at times, you’d just come into practice and you didn’t know what was going on.
Anybody who is watching the game, you know if you’re watching the game. When the ball got to the pinch post it was never. …,” Jennings said, speaking in general terms. “You got Derrick Rose, who can score, who can do things. You have (Porzingis). Guys could never really find their shots or find their rhythm. So it was like, something’s wrong with that. You have Derrick Rose who can get to the rim with ease and score. But even he was out there lost. That’s how I looked at it. I looked at it that he didn’t know what was going on. KP, he was trying to come into his second year trying to find himself, and he couldn’t really find a rhythm either. So it’s definitely difficult.”
People can knock Jennings but I think he's on the ball across the board here
still trying to understand what prompted the Knicks to decide focusing on guarding the triangle in practice was a good idea? Courtney Lee flat out said it caused problems. It's not their only issue defensively but it sure adds to the premise Phil is totally triangle obsessed.
Derrick Rose didn't have much of a problem scoring or getting his shot this season. He had a problem doing everything else other than that.
For all of the incessant focus on the triangle, the issue is simple... these guys just aren't that fucking good. The triangle or the "culture" are just excuses.
I probably take Swanigan over Wilson just because I think you can go "small" with Swanigan at center and not sacrifice physicality and rebounding (think he has like a 7'5" wingspan).
But man I'd get excited over our 2nd round pick, seems to be a lot of big name college players that might slip. Don't know how much will translate, but it just seems deeper than normal years for some reason.
didn't really watch last night but looks like Randle had a solid game. He's shown some "legit NBA player" flashes.
Not really sure what happened to giving Ndour burn but the last 2 games he's started at center and has averaged 25 and 10,... maybe give the guy a look? Why not?
I probably take Swanigan over Wilson just because I think you can go "small" with Swanigan at center and not sacrifice physicality and rebounding (think he has like a 7'5" wingspan).
But man I'd get excited over our 2nd round pick, seems to be a lot of big name college players that might slip. Don't know how much will translate, but it just seems deeper than normal years for some reason.
It's always a tough call with guys like Swanigan (I was a massive Millsap fan in college) and yet similar "okay" athlete bigs often fail but like Millsap the production from Swanigan is top notch. I'd honestly be happy with either one in the second round. If we could come out of the draft with one of Smith, Isaac, Tatum, Markkanen + one of Swanigan or Wilson you won't see me complaining. We will go for 2 young talented pieces to 4.
KP said the lockerroom was toxic or there was any problem in the lockerroom because thats what you said yesterday. Is there another quote that you didn't link or something. Everything KP says is about their on the court chemistry which is obvious. I don't think there are any issues with the lockerroom chemistry, I do think there are major issues with how they mesh. There can't be 2 guys that have no interest in defense. There can't be 2 guys that only score and don't help in any other aspect of the game. This has nothing to do with how they mesh off the court.
KP said the lockerroom was toxic or there was any problem in the lockerroom because thats what you said yesterday. Is there another quote that you didn't link or something. Everything KP says is about their on the court chemistry which is obvious. I don't think there are any issues with the lockerroom chemistry, I do think there are major issues with how they mesh. There can't be 2 guys that have no interest in defense. There can't be 2 guys that only score and don't help in any other aspect of the game. This has nothing to do with how they mesh off the court.
After the Clippers game he was asked about team chemistry and he flat out said "we didn't come together as a team, not everyone was on board". You want to believe that's just on the court that's cool but I don't. I know for a FACT from a writer that Rose/Melo did not have ANY off court relationship which (and this part is MY opinion) likely helped fracture the locker room. Primary ball handler and "#2" scorer and the "franchise player" not being "cool" is not good to begin with but when you bring in a bunch of "Rose guys" it likely makes matters worse in the locker room.
KP more than implied the other day that the locker room/chemistry was not good.
Just so we are clear, this is the quote I'm referencing. KP was strictly talking about on the court chemistry, as was Jennings. It doesn't take a rocket scientest to see there is none, lol.
KP said the lockerroom was toxic or there was any problem in the lockerroom because thats what you said yesterday. Is there another quote that you didn't link or something. Everything KP says is about their on the court chemistry which is obvious. I don't think there are any issues with the lockerroom chemistry, I do think there are major issues with how they mesh. There can't be 2 guys that have no interest in defense. There can't be 2 guys that only score and don't help in any other aspect of the game. This has nothing to do with how they mesh off the court.
After the Clippers game he was asked about team chemistry and he flat out said "we didn't come together as a team, not everyone was on board". You want to believe that's just on the court that's cool but I don't. I know for a FACT from a writer that Rose/Melo did not have ANY off court relationship which (and this part is MY opinion) likely helped fracture the locker room. Primary ball handler and "#2" scorer and the "franchise player" not being "cool" is not good to begin with but when you bring in a bunch of "Rose guys" it likely makes matters worse in the locker room.
That's why I asked you for the quote. I was curious to see the quote and when I asked you, you posted a quote about him saying there was no chemistry on the court.
was told flat out "Melo and Rose do not speak off the court". Then consider we added Noah because of Rose, Lee because of Noah and Holiday another "Rose" guy and imagine what they locker room must be like? Throw in Phil/Hornacek dynamic, Rambis still around like a cockroach. There was more going on then simply being unable to learn the triangle.
because of their off the court relationship, or lack there of, it's so far off base. There are tons of examples in sports of guys not getting along and being just fine on the court. One has nothing to do with the other. Their games just don't mesh at all and that's the only problem. They both can do one thing, score and that's it. One guy can get to the rim with ease, the other can score from the outside. Neither does anything else other than help themselves score.
feel like Jennings quotes are pretty fair. I mean he's not going to take shots at guys and say "Well Rose is diminished and doesn't play defense". I know Jennings gets a bad rep but I think his quotes this season were among the most honest. Then again you have people like Tommy Dee quoting Sasha saying "the triangle practice was amazing" as proof the players enjoy it...
because of their off the court relationship, or lack there of, it's so far off base. There are tons of examples in sports of guys not getting along and being just fine on the court. One has nothing to do with the other. Their games just don't mesh at all and that's the only problem. They both can do one thing, score and that's it. One guy can get to the rim with ease, the other can score from the outside. Neither does anything else other than help themselves score.
? huh? The two things don't HAVE to go hand in hand but they absolutely can. "So far off base"? If players don't like each other it absolutely can spill onto the court. We "outsiders" have said Rose is looking to get paid at the expense of defense right? At the expense of other aspects of his game right? So stuff like that can't spill onto the court? Melo can't (and I'm not defending him) be turned off by the looks he gets with Rose? Melo hasn't really had to deal with a PG (while with the Knicks) dominating the ball. If we "all" talk about Melo being a ballstopper etc then someone like Rose couldn't crimp his style? You are speaking in very odd absolutes I must say.
shaq and kpbe flat out hated each other and how many championships did they win together?
and didnt rose and melo spend thanksgiving together? where is the they hated each other coming from?
Leadership is lacking on the Knicks and that comes from the top (Phil/Hornacek) however the Knicks player leadership "should" be coming from those 2 and if they don't have a relationship it absolutely can cause some turmoil. Melo is no angel (Amar'e recently took shots at him as well).
of guys in sports that don't get along off the court. 16 gave the most obvious.
2 1st ballot HOFers, 1 of which is one of the most competitive players in the history of pro sports vs. Rose looking to get paid and Melo? Not a fair comparison at all. They also had arguably the greatest coach of all time keeping them together not shrinking violet Jeff Hornacek with his daddy telling him to run the triangle.
Yeah, I remember when I had some problems with my family, (Kendrick Perkins) and him were the guys I’d call and just vent to and talk to. I say this because me and my family are great now. We’re in a good spot. But there’s times where this life is real. We make a lot of money to take care of our family, but that doesn’t mask all our problems. It may mask some, but it doesn’t take them away. I was having problems with my family and I needed someone I could relate to and Russell and Perk were there. They were guys I leaned on. They told me to just keep my head up, words of encouragement. Me and Russ had talked about that stuff, but it wasn’t as in depth. Then when I was vulnerable to him, it was like, yeah, this is someone I can lean on. It showed me a different side of him. Since then, we’ve been really tight. There’s times where we go at it. There’s times I don’t like what he’s doing out on the court, there’s times where he hates what I’m doing out on the court. There’s times where it’s Russ, you gotta control your attitude or KD, you gotta stop, you gotta speak up, whatever. There’s times we cuss each other out, but that’s a part of being brothers. Because I know if I need something, he’ll be there and if I need to talk to someone outside of basketball, he’ll be there. It’s a real brotherhood type relationship. We're like family.
they need to be friends or else they won't be able to play together. Is that what you are saying?
I'm suggesting Lebron James and Durant could despise each other and win a title. I'm suggesting a diminished Derrick Rose with a weak head coach/Phil Jackson situation and Melo doing his "thing" his entire time here very possibly helped fracture the team.
don't you think the bigger problem is that Melo is a shell of himself since his knee injury and Rose is diminished as a player? If they were better players, it would mean nothing.
don't you think the bigger problem is that Melo is a shell of himself since his knee injury and Rose is diminished as a player? If they were better players, it would mean nothing.
Melo likely wouldn't be giving Rose the side eye (not literally) if Rose were MVP Rose, no. Because Melo isn't a moron, he would know MVP Rose (or Westbrook etc) would help him toward his goal of winning a title in NY. It's obvious the current team quitting loser is not helping him toward anything.
how can anyone argue that. I don't care who you know. It's fractured because of the GM. It's fractured because of the HC. It's fractured because they aren't good and they all thought they were and said they were. It's fractured because they are the laughing stock of the league. It's fractured because the two biggest stars know they aren't welcomed back to NY. Of course it's fractured, my man.
yesterday both knocked the triangle calling it "random basketball" and said he would like to come back. He later said he doesn't care about money, he only cares about winning. Yeah, not a guy hoping to create a market...If winning were his #1 the Knicks wouldn't even be on his list.
only cares about money. He made that clear in Chicago when he sat out a full season and worried about his future finance after bball despite making $50M per year.
""Not even thinking money. I've got more than enough money saved. If I stopped playing basketball now, I'll be all right," Rose told reporters in Utah on Wednesday night. "I want to win. I want to be happy and feel at peace with myself wherever I'm at. But being at the negotiating table, you never know. I'm not going to negotiate with people where money is the No. 1 thing I'm asking for. I want to win."
if winning is #1 to him (it's not) he would instruct BJ Armstrong to not even speak to the Knicks. Where would you rank the Knicks in terms of "winning in 2018" odds? Other than the Kings and Nets are there really that many teams who "likely" will have lower odds of being good next year? I guess the Lakers. I mean it's a very short list.
We can all see what Rose is doing, it's obvious. Â
Contestable. Maybe they won despite it not working, because LeBron is so f'ing amazing. It's staggering to me that Love's shooting percentage from 2 or 3 have not improved even a teensy bit in Cleveland, even on much lower volume and not being the #1 option. He has improvement at sub-levels (basically, 10 feet to <3 point), but that gets him no where because now he just takes those low percentage shots rather than getting position down low (massive decline in shots from w/in 3 feet).
It's really remarkable how Love's game diminished in Cleveland.
have been a hideous move for the Knicks but I gotta say PJ Tucker is a nice player to have on a good team. He's insanely strong and you can stick him on other teams top scorer. On the flip side, Ibaka has become the epitome of what a "Knicks player" looks like. Guy doesn't even defend the rim anymore, doesn't really work for rebounds. Someone is going to really regret giving him a monster deal.
Yup. Mason or Graham.
Josh Jackson dominated in every facet of the game. Was everywhere on defense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9N6VZXkTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-UuCz5vXI
Cool thanks for those links. Yeah like I said at the time I admittedly am spotty with my college basketball watching outside of watching the projected top picks (until the tourney at least) but sometimes you throw on a game, see a guy who looks like he could be an NBA player, look him up and not see much about him. Wilson caught my eye. Moves really well for that height and 3 point range. I'm a fan. I'd absolutely be interested in the 2nd round. 7'3 wingspan. Very intriguing name in the 2nd. Not sure what went into his improvement but very interesting skillset
also mills will be there as well..
qonder if they will skype phil in
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implied the locker room chemistry was no good.
Everyone likes Melo, nobody wants to play with him. Melo will be great on a super team as long as there are 3 players better than him and the best player is Lebron. Other than that, he won't win a thing.
SANTA MONICA, Calif. — Kristaps Porzingis was the first to see something and say something when he expressed that despite the Knicks’ early-season success, something was missing. The second-year big man proved to have great foresight.
“I think it was pretty easy to tell from the inside that we’re not that good of a team,” Porzingis said after Sunday’s practice. “We can win games based off of our talent, but that’s not going to last long, and that’s exactly what happened.”
With Carmelo Anthony, Rose and Porzingis, the Knicks thought they could be one of the top teams in the East and be able to make some noise in the playoffs. But Rose lamented that they never developed chemistry. “We didn’t click,” he said. “We didn’t have that connection that we wanted throughout the season. You need that to go far in this league.”
Is there a quote I'm missing because nowhere does he discuss the lockerroom chemistry. Everything he says is on the court.
“It was just different. Every day it was just something different,” Jennings said. “It was just like, if we could just stick to what we could do, we’ll be fine. So at times, you’d just come into practice and you didn’t know what was going on.
Anybody who is watching the game, you know if you’re watching the game. When the ball got to the pinch post it was never. …,” Jennings said, speaking in general terms. “You got Derrick Rose, who can score, who can do things. You have (Porzingis). Guys could never really find their shots or find their rhythm. So it was like, something’s wrong with that. You have Derrick Rose who can get to the rim with ease and score. But even he was out there lost. That’s how I looked at it. I looked at it that he didn’t know what was going on. KP, he was trying to come into his second year trying to find himself, and he couldn’t really find a rhythm either. So it’s definitely difficult.”
People can knock Jennings but I think he's on the ball across the board here
For all of the incessant focus on the triangle, the issue is simple... these guys just aren't that fucking good. The triangle or the "culture" are just excuses.
But man I'd get excited over our 2nd round pick, seems to be a lot of big name college players that might slip. Don't know how much will translate, but it just seems deeper than normal years for some reason.
Not really sure what happened to giving Ndour burn but the last 2 games he's started at center and has averaged 25 and 10,... maybe give the guy a look? Why not?
But man I'd get excited over our 2nd round pick, seems to be a lot of big name college players that might slip. Don't know how much will translate, but it just seems deeper than normal years for some reason.
It's always a tough call with guys like Swanigan (I was a massive Millsap fan in college) and yet similar "okay" athlete bigs often fail but like Millsap the production from Swanigan is top notch. I'd honestly be happy with either one in the second round. If we could come out of the draft with one of Smith, Isaac, Tatum, Markkanen + one of Swanigan or Wilson you won't see me complaining. We will go for 2 young talented pieces to 4.
After the Clippers game he was asked about team chemistry and he flat out said "we didn't come together as a team, not everyone was on board". You want to believe that's just on the court that's cool but I don't. I know for a FACT from a writer that Rose/Melo did not have ANY off court relationship which (and this part is MY opinion) likely helped fracture the locker room. Primary ball handler and "#2" scorer and the "franchise player" not being "cool" is not good to begin with but when you bring in a bunch of "Rose guys" it likely makes matters worse in the locker room.
Just so we are clear, this is the quote I'm referencing. KP was strictly talking about on the court chemistry, as was Jennings. It doesn't take a rocket scientest to see there is none, lol.
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KP said the lockerroom was toxic or there was any problem in the lockerroom because thats what you said yesterday. Is there another quote that you didn't link or something. Everything KP says is about their on the court chemistry which is obvious. I don't think there are any issues with the lockerroom chemistry, I do think there are major issues with how they mesh. There can't be 2 guys that have no interest in defense. There can't be 2 guys that only score and don't help in any other aspect of the game. This has nothing to do with how they mesh off the court.
After the Clippers game he was asked about team chemistry and he flat out said "we didn't come together as a team, not everyone was on board". You want to believe that's just on the court that's cool but I don't. I know for a FACT from a writer that Rose/Melo did not have ANY off court relationship which (and this part is MY opinion) likely helped fracture the locker room. Primary ball handler and "#2" scorer and the "franchise player" not being "cool" is not good to begin with but when you bring in a bunch of "Rose guys" it likely makes matters worse in the locker room.
That's why I asked you for the quote. I was curious to see the quote and when I asked you, you posted a quote about him saying there was no chemistry on the court.
and didnt rose and melo spend thanksgiving together? where is the they hated each other coming from?
? huh? The two things don't HAVE to go hand in hand but they absolutely can. "So far off base"? If players don't like each other it absolutely can spill onto the court. We "outsiders" have said Rose is looking to get paid at the expense of defense right? At the expense of other aspects of his game right? So stuff like that can't spill onto the court? Melo can't (and I'm not defending him) be turned off by the looks he gets with Rose? Melo hasn't really had to deal with a PG (while with the Knicks) dominating the ball. If we "all" talk about Melo being a ballstopper etc then someone like Rose couldn't crimp his style? You are speaking in very odd absolutes I must say.
and didnt rose and melo spend thanksgiving together? where is the they hated each other coming from?
Leadership is lacking on the Knicks and that comes from the top (Phil/Hornacek) however the Knicks player leadership "should" be coming from those 2 and if they don't have a relationship it absolutely can cause some turmoil. Melo is no angel (Amar'e recently took shots at him as well).
2 1st ballot HOFers, 1 of which is one of the most competitive players in the history of pro sports vs. Rose looking to get paid and Melo? Not a fair comparison at all. They also had arguably the greatest coach of all time keeping them together not shrinking violet Jeff Hornacek with his daddy telling him to run the triangle.
Yeah they were. Until they weren't. That is simply false.
I'm suggesting Lebron James and Durant could despise each other and win a title. I'm suggesting a diminished Derrick Rose with a weak head coach/Phil Jackson situation and Melo doing his "thing" his entire time here very possibly helped fracture the team.
And again, Lebron is going to retire top 5 greatest of all time. Talent wins out. Rose doesn't have that, Melo is on the downside.
I know writers my man. You don't believe the locker room is fractured that is fine. That's your view. I know for a fact otherwise.
Melo likely wouldn't be giving Rose the side eye (not literally) if Rose were MVP Rose, no. Because Melo isn't a moron, he would know MVP Rose (or Westbrook etc) would help him toward his goal of winning a title in NY. It's obvious the current team quitting loser is not helping him toward anything.
""Not even thinking money. I've got more than enough money saved. If I stopped playing basketball now, I'll be all right," Rose told reporters in Utah on Wednesday night. "I want to win. I want to be happy and feel at peace with myself wherever I'm at. But being at the negotiating table, you never know. I'm not going to negotiate with people where money is the No. 1 thing I'm asking for. I want to win."
Contestable. Maybe they won despite it not working, because LeBron is so f'ing amazing. It's staggering to me that Love's shooting percentage from 2 or 3 have not improved even a teensy bit in Cleveland, even on much lower volume and not being the #1 option. He has improvement at sub-levels (basically, 10 feet to <3 point), but that gets him no where because now he just takes those low percentage shots rather than getting position down low (massive decline in shots from w/in 3 feet).
It's really remarkable how Love's game diminished in Cleveland.
of course melo will be traded draft night and we will all be happy, then midnight of free agency rose will be resigned and bbi will implode