Is it a big deal that Phil won't be live at the sweet 16 to scout the talent? On one hand I'd like him to be there, but on the other hand, do you really need to be there to scout?
need to find a few PJ Tucker types for this roster. Not soon to be 32 year old PJ Tucker but guys like that.
These guys really shine when you put them on a roster where they can play an appropriate role. And look flawed when they are on teams that must ask too much of them. Classic saga of the NBA role player.
parker slept with his wife and that team won a championship
And how many HOFers did they have? 6? I mean c'mon. Bad teams have more fractures in the locker room, especially in NY.
of course bad teams have fractures, because whena team is winning nobody gives a shit about that stuff..
look at the giants, every time they lose the sky is falling and every time they win every one loves each other..
if the giants lost 11 games you think we would hear how much the team likes each other? no
every losing team has fractures...
when the cavs were struggling how many times did we hear how irving lwbron and love could not get along and plah with each other? shit we heard lebron wanted to go back to miami...
its funny at the beginning of the season when the knicks were 14 and 10 melo and rose were close spending thanksgiving together and now they are losing and now they hate each other, funny how that works
need to find a few PJ Tucker types for this roster. Not soon to be 32 year old PJ Tucker but guys like that.
These guys really shine when you put them on a roster where they can play an appropriate role. And look flawed when they are on teams that must ask too much of them. Classic saga of the NBA role player.
Deej,
1000% agree. I just love the way he commits to his role. I'd love to have a 22 year old version of him even on this bad roster. Defense can be contagious. Trading for him would have been pretty dumb but he's a solid player, I don't care what his PER says. He has one role and does it well.
RE: It's a dumb theory, but I'm ready to move on......
Is it a big deal that Phil won't be live at the sweet 16 to scout the talent? On one hand I'd like him to be there, but on the other hand, do you really need to be there to scout?
mills will be there with their svouts in memphis tonight
Is it a big deal that Phil won't be live at the sweet 16 to scout the talent? On one hand I'd like him to be there, but on the other hand, do you really need to be there to scout?
I think it would be nice, but Im sure we're scouting every game. They'll bring Phil the game tape of the guys they like. Post is portraying it as Phil blowing off his responsibilities, but if we knew one thing going into the Phil-era, it was that his physical condition was really going to limit his ability to make successive trips in a short span.
parker slept with his wife and that team won a championship
And how many HOFers did they have? 6? I mean c'mon. Bad teams have more fractures in the locker room, especially in NY.
of course bad teams have fractures, because whena team is winning nobody gives a shit about that stuff..
look at the giants, every time they lose the sky is falling and every time they win every one loves each other..
if the giants lost 11 games you think we would hear how much the team likes each other? no
every losing team has fractures...
when the cavs were struggling how many times did we hear how irving lwbron and love could not get along and plah with each other? shit we heard lebron wanted to go back to miami...
its funny at the beginning of the season when the knicks were 14 and 10 melo and rose were close spending thanksgiving together and now they are losing and now they hate each other, funny how that works
YOU create this "hate" narrative. I was told they don't have "any relationship"/don't speak off the court. That's not the same thing.
parker slept with his wife and that team won a championship
And how many HOFers did they have? 6? I mean c'mon. Bad teams have more fractures in the locker room, especially in NY.
of course bad teams have fractures, because whena team is winning nobody gives a shit about that stuff..
look at the giants, every time they lose the sky is falling and every time they win every one loves each other..
if the giants lost 11 games you think we would hear how much the team likes each other? no
every losing team has fractures...
when the cavs were struggling how many times did we hear how irving lwbron and love could not get along and plah with each other? shit we heard lebron wanted to go back to miami...
its funny at the beginning of the season when the knicks were 14 and 10 melo and rose were close spending thanksgiving together and now they are losing and now they hate each other, funny how that works
Not the Nets, they have the best culture in bball.
need to find a few PJ Tucker types for this roster. Not soon to be 32 year old PJ Tucker but guys like that.
These guys really shine when you put them on a roster where they can play an appropriate role. And look flawed when they are on teams that must ask too much of them. Classic saga of the NBA role player.
Deej,
1000% agree. I just love the way he commits to his role. I'd love to have a 22 year old version of him even on this bad roster. Defense can be contagious. Trading for him would have been pretty dumb but he's a solid player, I don't care what his PER says. He has one role and does it well.
Yeah, I said a few threads ago that I'd use one of the #2s on the biggest junkyard dog I could find. A strong, tenacious defender. Worry about lack of other skills later. Just a getting a guy like that into practices could pay huge dividends. His D could rub off. He could toughen up KP. etc.
pretty awful with the cap/trades. Is there any way for us to dump Melo on LAC without taking back Rivers?
difficult but not impossible. It will be easier to do something like that this summer once there's more cap space floating around the league that can be used to facilitate trades. In a perfect world, there's some other team out there that values Rivers enough to send you something back for him as part of a 3 or 4 way trade.
pretty awful with the cap/trades. Is there any way for us to dump Melo on LAC without taking back Rivers?
Would have to be around Crawford which would be worse than Rivers.
Crawford actually can be bought out for 3 million after next season. Doesn't really do anything for the Knicks though as Melo is going to opt out after next season so the only "upside" would be making the 2018 Knicks less talented, higher pick.
if Blake bolts. I dont know the latest on that situation. But I could see him running if they go nowhere again. Maybe go home to OKC. Unless he has already committed.
pretty awful with the cap/trades. Is there any way for us to dump Melo on LAC without taking back Rivers?
difficult but not impossible. It will be easier to do something like that this summer once there's more cap space floating around the league that can be used to facilitate trades. In a perfect world, there's some other team out there that values Rivers enough to send you something back for him as part of a 3 or 4 way trade.
Just seems on paper like the "best" spot for all parties. Clippers are seemingly going "all-in" on the Paul/Griffin/Jordan trio and we "know" Melo would agree to go there. I'm not getting hard over Brice Johnson, Diamond Stone and a 2022 1st round pick but it might be the best we can do.
if Blake bolts. I dont know the latest on that situation. But I could see him running if they go nowhere again. Maybe go home to OKC. Unless he has already committed.
OKC would have to be a sign-and-trade I think. The Clips are interesting. If they crash and burn out of the playoffs early this year, their team could look a lot different next summer.
wonder if Ndour playing center means anything? or just that the Westchester Knicks needed a center. He's only 6'9 and the Knicks talked him up as a wing defender type but back to back monster games. Why not give him a look>?
Speaking of the dleague I was curious if Brice Johnson showed any flashes, he only played a few games there but one game might be the worst line I've ever seen
15 minutes 1-7 from the field, -24 +/-, that seems almost impossible to pull off
take advantage of a desperate Indy team that wants to add a star to keep Paul George. Yea, it's likely a reallly bad fit for Indy, and Melo wouldn't even want to go there, but maybe the Knicks can get lucky for once?
just to buy him out, why not just buy out Melo? Unless they are willing to send future draft picks as well, even though that won't be til 2046.
Presumably they would be able to get a pick or 2 in a Melo deal. The Clippers would be a "very good" team for the next few seasons with that core and likely not too worried about their 2021 and 2023 1sts and/or their 2019, 2020 etc 2nds.
I cannot see any scenario where Melo goes to Indy.
I think it's one of the coasts or Cleveland. I'm hoping he opens up his list and a team like Washington can get involved(even though they'd be dumb to do it). Boston, Washington, California teams, Florida teams. Maybe Chicago if Wade stays.
take advantage of a desperate Indy team that wants to add a star to keep Paul George. Yea, it's likely a reallly bad fit for Indy, and Melo wouldn't even want to go there, but maybe the Knicks can get lucky for once?
I'm not sure Indy works for a bunch of reasons, but I do think that it's possible Melo opens up his list of acceptable destinations to more teams this summer.
the end of the day I'd still take back 2021 etc picks from LAC if that's all we could get. At that point maybe the Knicks get lucky and an aging Clippers team sucks. One can dream.
parker slept with his wife and that team won a championship
And how many HOFers did they have? 6? I mean c'mon. Bad teams have more fractures in the locker room, especially in NY.
of course bad teams have fractures, because whena team is winning nobody gives a shit about that stuff..
look at the giants, every time they lose the sky is falling and every time they win every one loves each other..
if the giants lost 11 games you think we would hear how much the team likes each other? no
every losing team has fractures...
when the cavs were struggling how many times did we hear how irving lwbron and love could not get along and plah with each other? shit we heard lebron wanted to go back to miami...
its funny at the beginning of the season when the knicks were 14 and 10 melo and rose were close spending thanksgiving together and now they are losing and now they hate each other, funny how that works
YOU create this "hate" narrative. I was told they don't have "any relationship"/don't speak off the court. That's not the same thing.
and i say who gives a shit? if you cant be professional about it then i dont want them on the team...
Knicks are not/have not been run like a professional organization for a long time now. I don't mean this as a joke or dump on the Knicks thing. This is the truth. I'm not going down the "Phil does/doesn't" deserve credit for KP but imagine the Knicks if someone took KP before the Knicks? It could be argued if that were the case outside of the Nets (just due to their lack of picks) would be the ONLY organization in worse position than the Knicks. Knicks fans love to blame the media but the truth is they have been and continue to be a circus. Maybe next year will be different. Every hire/fire they do we always "assume the best". Look for positives and yet it's always the same result. I think the Mets are a perfect example/model for the Knicks
- Long time laughingstock with a lot of off field issues for years. Ones so unbelievable they sound Isola created
- Meddling owner
- Hired a big name "legend" to change up the culture
Can the Knicks follow the Mets path? I find it hard to believe because they have been so bad for so long and I've lost my confidence in Phil Jackson but lets hope.
Dan's analysis. That said, I think a Fultz or a Ball with KP would be enough for me to think that the foundations for a successful team are there.
Talent's an insufficient but necessary condition for being a contender; so is organizational culture. I think the former is far more important and much harder to secure.
It's definitely important. I really thought that's what Phil was coming in to do, but he's done the opposite. I'm willing to be patient and see the plan through, but he's made some bad decisions this season and I'm not talking personnel.
That being said, you can certainly have talent, a good team culture and players that aren't friends to have success.
I have a hard time being optimistic. If we hit a home run in the draft (say we move up to the top 3), are Phil/Dolan going to let this thing build on a slow burn, or are they going to demand that we "compete" ASAP? I still think the later.
Clips' 2021 pick unprotected would be intriguing, but I think the Nets/Lakers/Sacto experience, combined with the obvious potential for the Clips to be bad in 4 years, would inhibit them from trading it without lottery protections. In any event, it's a shitty return for Carmelo.
Dan's analysis. That said, I think a Fultz or a Ball with KP would be enough for me to think that the foundations for a successful team are there.
Talent's an insufficient but necessary condition for being a contender; so is organizational culture. I think the former is far more important and much harder to secure.
At the end of the day the draft will make/break us. The expectation is add good young talent and slowly things will change Dolan or not. I really wish I were confident Phil was willing to go "full rebuild". I don't even care about the triangle, run it, don't run it. Just don't treat the fans like morons. This is a bad team that won't be fixed with 1 good pick and chasing veteran FA's. If you nail this pick, maybe get a solid rotation guy in the second and maybe you sign a guy like Ian Clark (just using him as an example of a FA that makes sense).
Then maybe at this time NEXT season, we can both be a "bad" team but one with young talent, where next years pick is truly exciting, adding another high level talent to our existing core... maybe at that point you discuss these "veteran solid" FA types.
Dan's analysis. That said, I think a Fultz or a Ball with KP would be enough for me to think that the foundations for a successful team are there.
Talent's an insufficient but necessary condition for being a contender; so is organizational culture. I think the former is far more important and much harder to secure.
Agree. "Culture" is not some mystical thing that only a select few can implement. Hire smart people to run and coach the team, acquire talented players who work hard...and the culture will take care of itself.
I have a hard time being optimistic. If we hit a home run in the draft (say we move up to the top 3), are Phil/Dolan going to let this thing build on a slow burn, or are they going to demand that we "compete" ASAP? I still think the later.
Clips' 2021 pick unprotected would be intriguing, but I think the Nets/Lakers/Sacto experience, combined with the obvious potential for the Clips to be bad in 4 years, would inhibit them from trading it without lottery protections. In any event, it's a shitty return for Carmelo.
There is no denying barring a shocker the return for Melo will be underwhelming. I don't see any scenario where we are "wowed" by a Melo return. I keep parroting the same thing but at this point simply agreeing Rome wasn't built in a day, and at the very least using 2018 as a "rebuilding/development/assessment" season would be enough reason for me to be "excited" by most reasonable Melo returns (even a crap 2021 type pick headliner).
I'm apparently FAR more willing than most to give Phil another 15-16 months and see where we are then. I also don't give a shit about 99.99999% of what the basketball media has to say about the Knicks or the "culture" horseshit. As soon as the Knicks get good players and remove the selfish ones from their midst, the "culture" will change.
There are only 2 issues I have with Phil...
1 - Talk of adding free agents. None of this stuff is directly from Phil's mouth, so it's possible we could be wrong about this. However, I don't want to spend big money on ANY non-elite free agents.
2 - Phil's previous comments about the importance of a PG. I do wonder if he would pass on Smith or Fox for reasons having to do with the offensive system. But we'll get to that once we figure out the lottery order.
If we trade Melo, let Rose walk and don't sign any major FA's, then we are clearly going about it the right way. The answer is close.
This is the correct path. I'm just doubtful the follow it. I'm expecting them to let Rose walk and then make a hard run at a Holiday Brother combo package, followed by settling for 4 years 64 million for Jeff Teague. I'd sign tomorrow for Rose walking, Melo dealt and very minimal additions to the roster (I'd still look at some of the younger FA options if the price were right, Clark, Muscala types.
anyone understand the trade kicker that Melo is supposed to get? I remember hearing somewhere he makes like 3 mil more a year if he gets traded, so maybe that could help out in getting him to accept a trade. If he can pocket 3 mil more, get away from this circus, with an option to opt out should it not work out at the new home, he might accept a trade somewhere aside from LA or Cleveland. Although I don't know if he will even want to opt out, would someone really sign him for 25 mil + in two years just projecting him to be getting worse as he gets older and older?
If we trade Melo, let Rose walk and don't sign any major FA's, then we are clearly going about it the right way. The answer is close.
This is the correct path. I'm just doubtful the follow it. I'm expecting them to let Rose walk and then make a hard run at a Holiday Brother combo package, followed by settling for 4 years 64 million for Jeff Teague. I'd sign tomorrow for Rose walking, Melo dealt and very minimal additions to the roster (I'd still look at some of the younger FA options if the price were right, Clark, Muscala types.
I'm getting a little less confident as time goes on, but I still would choose to let Phil play it out rather than starting over at this point. Honestly, I think it's more Dolan than anything else, I think he will be pressuring this FO to put a winner out in their 3rd season.
RE: But he did draft KP and that wasn't a no-brainer.
I'm apparently FAR more willing than most to give Phil another 15-16 months and see where we are then. I also don't give a shit about 99.99999% of what the basketball media has to say about the Knicks or the "culture" horseshit. As soon as the Knicks get good players and remove the selfish ones from their midst, the "culture" will change.
There are only 2 issues I have with Phil...
1 - Talk of adding free agents. None of this stuff is directly from Phil's mouth, so it's possible we could be wrong about this. However, I don't want to spend big money on ANY non-elite free agents.
2 - Phil's previous comments about the importance of a PG. I do wonder if he would pass on Smith or Fox for reasons having to do with the offensive system. But we'll get to that once we figure out the lottery order.
I wasn't trying to take the KP pick credit away from Phil. My point was outside of that one moment/decision the Knicks remain a disaster. The off-season was horrendous but even if you don't share that view, the off-season suggested he felt the Knicks were going to be good this season. Didn't work. Doing "that" again would basically = Phil Jackson has no clue what he's doing. Not a single rational person could look at this team and aay "Jeff Teague at 4 years 60+ makes the Knicks a good team" The 2015 Knicks "thought" they would be good, weren't and drafted a potential stud, Phil spent big money on veterans with the idea the 2016-2017 Knicks would be "good", they weren't. Until we see evidence that Phil has given up on this idea then we have to assume that is what is going to happen again.
I know.
Just felt like throwing it out there.
You can actually name any player that played with Kobe too. Everyone hated him.
-Really like Chriss
- Don't want to rile up Greg but I still think there might be "something" there with Len.
And how many HOFers did they have? 6? I mean c'mon. Bad teams have more fractures in the locker room, especially in NY.
These guys really shine when you put them on a roster where they can play an appropriate role. And look flawed when they are on teams that must ask too much of them. Classic saga of the NBA role player.
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parker slept with his wife and that team won a championship
And how many HOFers did they have? 6? I mean c'mon. Bad teams have more fractures in the locker room, especially in NY.
of course bad teams have fractures, because whena team is winning nobody gives a shit about that stuff..
look at the giants, every time they lose the sky is falling and every time they win every one loves each other..
if the giants lost 11 games you think we would hear how much the team likes each other? no
every losing team has fractures...
when the cavs were struggling how many times did we hear how irving lwbron and love could not get along and plah with each other? shit we heard lebron wanted to go back to miami...
its funny at the beginning of the season when the knicks were 14 and 10 melo and rose were close spending thanksgiving together and now they are losing and now they hate each other, funny how that works
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need to find a few PJ Tucker types for this roster. Not soon to be 32 year old PJ Tucker but guys like that.
These guys really shine when you put them on a roster where they can play an appropriate role. And look flawed when they are on teams that must ask too much of them. Classic saga of the NBA role player.
Deej,
1000% agree. I just love the way he commits to his role. I'd love to have a 22 year old version of him even on this bad roster. Defense can be contagious. Trading for him would have been pretty dumb but he's a solid player, I don't care what his PER says. He has one role and does it well.
mills will be there with their svouts in memphis tonight
Would have to be around Crawford which would be worse than Rivers.
I think it would be nice, but Im sure we're scouting every game. They'll bring Phil the game tape of the guys they like. Post is portraying it as Phil blowing off his responsibilities, but if we knew one thing going into the Phil-era, it was that his physical condition was really going to limit his ability to make successive trips in a short span.
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parker slept with his wife and that team won a championship
And how many HOFers did they have? 6? I mean c'mon. Bad teams have more fractures in the locker room, especially in NY.
of course bad teams have fractures, because whena team is winning nobody gives a shit about that stuff..
look at the giants, every time they lose the sky is falling and every time they win every one loves each other..
if the giants lost 11 games you think we would hear how much the team likes each other? no
every losing team has fractures...
when the cavs were struggling how many times did we hear how irving lwbron and love could not get along and plah with each other? shit we heard lebron wanted to go back to miami...
its funny at the beginning of the season when the knicks were 14 and 10 melo and rose were close spending thanksgiving together and now they are losing and now they hate each other, funny how that works
YOU create this "hate" narrative. I was told they don't have "any relationship"/don't speak off the court. That's not the same thing.
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parker slept with his wife and that team won a championship
And how many HOFers did they have? 6? I mean c'mon. Bad teams have more fractures in the locker room, especially in NY.
of course bad teams have fractures, because whena team is winning nobody gives a shit about that stuff..
look at the giants, every time they lose the sky is falling and every time they win every one loves each other..
if the giants lost 11 games you think we would hear how much the team likes each other? no
every losing team has fractures...
when the cavs were struggling how many times did we hear how irving lwbron and love could not get along and plah with each other? shit we heard lebron wanted to go back to miami...
its funny at the beginning of the season when the knicks were 14 and 10 melo and rose were close spending thanksgiving together and now they are losing and now they hate each other, funny how that works
Not the Nets, they have the best culture in bball.
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need to find a few PJ Tucker types for this roster. Not soon to be 32 year old PJ Tucker but guys like that.
These guys really shine when you put them on a roster where they can play an appropriate role. And look flawed when they are on teams that must ask too much of them. Classic saga of the NBA role player.
Deej,
1000% agree. I just love the way he commits to his role. I'd love to have a 22 year old version of him even on this bad roster. Defense can be contagious. Trading for him would have been pretty dumb but he's a solid player, I don't care what his PER says. He has one role and does it well.
Yeah, I said a few threads ago that I'd use one of the #2s on the biggest junkyard dog I could find. A strong, tenacious defender. Worry about lack of other skills later. Just a getting a guy like that into practices could pay huge dividends. His D could rub off. He could toughen up KP. etc.
difficult but not impossible. It will be easier to do something like that this summer once there's more cap space floating around the league that can be used to facilitate trades. In a perfect world, there's some other team out there that values Rivers enough to send you something back for him as part of a 3 or 4 way trade.
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pretty awful with the cap/trades. Is there any way for us to dump Melo on LAC without taking back Rivers?
Would have to be around Crawford which would be worse than Rivers.
Crawford actually can be bought out for 3 million after next season. Doesn't really do anything for the Knicks though as Melo is going to opt out after next season so the only "upside" would be making the 2018 Knicks less talented, higher pick.
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pretty awful with the cap/trades. Is there any way for us to dump Melo on LAC without taking back Rivers?
difficult but not impossible. It will be easier to do something like that this summer once there's more cap space floating around the league that can be used to facilitate trades. In a perfect world, there's some other team out there that values Rivers enough to send you something back for him as part of a 3 or 4 way trade.
Just seems on paper like the "best" spot for all parties. Clippers are seemingly going "all-in" on the Paul/Griffin/Jordan trio and we "know" Melo would agree to go there. I'm not getting hard over Brice Johnson, Diamond Stone and a 2022 1st round pick but it might be the best we can do.
OKC would have to be a sign-and-trade I think. The Clips are interesting. If they crash and burn out of the playoffs early this year, their team could look a lot different next summer.
Speaking of the dleague I was curious if Brice Johnson showed any flashes, he only played a few games there but one game might be the worst line I've ever seen
15 minutes 1-7 from the field, -24 +/-, that seems almost impossible to pull off
Presumably they would be able to get a pick or 2 in a Melo deal. The Clippers would be a "very good" team for the next few seasons with that core and likely not too worried about their 2021 and 2023 1sts and/or their 2019, 2020 etc 2nds.
I'm not sure Indy works for a bunch of reasons, but I do think that it's possible Melo opens up his list of acceptable destinations to more teams this summer.
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parker slept with his wife and that team won a championship
And how many HOFers did they have? 6? I mean c'mon. Bad teams have more fractures in the locker room, especially in NY.
of course bad teams have fractures, because whena team is winning nobody gives a shit about that stuff..
look at the giants, every time they lose the sky is falling and every time they win every one loves each other..
if the giants lost 11 games you think we would hear how much the team likes each other? no
every losing team has fractures...
when the cavs were struggling how many times did we hear how irving lwbron and love could not get along and plah with each other? shit we heard lebron wanted to go back to miami...
its funny at the beginning of the season when the knicks were 14 and 10 melo and rose were close spending thanksgiving together and now they are losing and now they hate each other, funny how that works
YOU create this "hate" narrative. I was told they don't have "any relationship"/don't speak off the court. That's not the same thing.
and i say who gives a shit? if you cant be professional about it then i dont want them on the team...
who cates if people do not hangout off the court
- Long time laughingstock with a lot of off field issues for years. Ones so unbelievable they sound Isola created
- Meddling owner
- Hired a big name "legend" to change up the culture
Can the Knicks follow the Mets path? I find it hard to believe because they have been so bad for so long and I've lost my confidence in Phil Jackson but lets hope.
Talent's an insufficient but necessary condition for being a contender; so is organizational culture. I think the former is far more important and much harder to secure.
I've spent a summer in Indy, I think I could safely say it's not exactly what Melo would have in mind for LaLa.
That being said, you can certainly have talent, a good team culture and players that aren't friends to have success.
obviously a lot of things need to be done before that
I've spent a summer in Indy, I think I could safely say it's not exactly what Melo would have in mind for LaLa.
It would only have to be for one season and then he opts out and goes where he wants. That's why I think he maybe opens up his list a bit this summer.
Clips' 2021 pick unprotected would be intriguing, but I think the Nets/Lakers/Sacto experience, combined with the obvious potential for the Clips to be bad in 4 years, would inhibit them from trading it without lottery protections. In any event, it's a shitty return for Carmelo.
Talent's an insufficient but necessary condition for being a contender; so is organizational culture. I think the former is far more important and much harder to secure.
At the end of the day the draft will make/break us. The expectation is add good young talent and slowly things will change Dolan or not. I really wish I were confident Phil was willing to go "full rebuild". I don't even care about the triangle, run it, don't run it. Just don't treat the fans like morons. This is a bad team that won't be fixed with 1 good pick and chasing veteran FA's. If you nail this pick, maybe get a solid rotation guy in the second and maybe you sign a guy like Ian Clark (just using him as an example of a FA that makes sense).
Then maybe at this time NEXT season, we can both be a "bad" team but one with young talent, where next years pick is truly exciting, adding another high level talent to our existing core... maybe at that point you discuss these "veteran solid" FA types.
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I think that would make them a bit better than the Hawks. Maybe not quite on the wizards/C's/TOR level.
I've spent a summer in Indy, I think I could safely say it's not exactly what Melo would have in mind for LaLa.
It would only have to be for one season and then he opts out and goes where he wants. That's why I think he maybe opens up his list a bit this summer.
Still, I don't think he'd do it. And if the only reason he'd do it is because he'd dip for somewhere else, Larry bird wouldn't do it.
I think the more likely scenario is Bird accepts the inevitable and deals PG to LA from 50 cents on the dollar.
Talent's an insufficient but necessary condition for being a contender; so is organizational culture. I think the former is far more important and much harder to secure.
Agree. "Culture" is not some mystical thing that only a select few can implement. Hire smart people to run and coach the team, acquire talented players who work hard...and the culture will take care of itself.
Clips' 2021 pick unprotected would be intriguing, but I think the Nets/Lakers/Sacto experience, combined with the obvious potential for the Clips to be bad in 4 years, would inhibit them from trading it without lottery protections. In any event, it's a shitty return for Carmelo.
There is no denying barring a shocker the return for Melo will be underwhelming. I don't see any scenario where we are "wowed" by a Melo return. I keep parroting the same thing but at this point simply agreeing Rome wasn't built in a day, and at the very least using 2018 as a "rebuilding/development/assessment" season would be enough reason for me to be "excited" by most reasonable Melo returns (even a crap 2021 type pick headliner).
There are only 2 issues I have with Phil...
1 - Talk of adding free agents. None of this stuff is directly from Phil's mouth, so it's possible we could be wrong about this. However, I don't want to spend big money on ANY non-elite free agents.
2 - Phil's previous comments about the importance of a PG. I do wonder if he would pass on Smith or Fox for reasons having to do with the offensive system. But we'll get to that once we figure out the lottery order.
This is the correct path. I'm just doubtful the follow it. I'm expecting them to let Rose walk and then make a hard run at a Holiday Brother combo package, followed by settling for 4 years 64 million for Jeff Teague. I'd sign tomorrow for Rose walking, Melo dealt and very minimal additions to the roster (I'd still look at some of the younger FA options if the price were right, Clark, Muscala types.
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If we trade Melo, let Rose walk and don't sign any major FA's, then we are clearly going about it the right way. The answer is close.
This is the correct path. I'm just doubtful the follow it. I'm expecting them to let Rose walk and then make a hard run at a Holiday Brother combo package, followed by settling for 4 years 64 million for Jeff Teague. I'd sign tomorrow for Rose walking, Melo dealt and very minimal additions to the roster (I'd still look at some of the younger FA options if the price were right, Clark, Muscala types.
I'm getting a little less confident as time goes on, but I still would choose to let Phil play it out rather than starting over at this point. Honestly, I think it's more Dolan than anything else, I think he will be pressuring this FO to put a winner out in their 3rd season.
There are only 2 issues I have with Phil...
1 - Talk of adding free agents. None of this stuff is directly from Phil's mouth, so it's possible we could be wrong about this. However, I don't want to spend big money on ANY non-elite free agents.
2 - Phil's previous comments about the importance of a PG. I do wonder if he would pass on Smith or Fox for reasons having to do with the offensive system. But we'll get to that once we figure out the lottery order.
I wasn't trying to take the KP pick credit away from Phil. My point was outside of that one moment/decision the Knicks remain a disaster. The off-season was horrendous but even if you don't share that view, the off-season suggested he felt the Knicks were going to be good this season. Didn't work. Doing "that" again would basically = Phil Jackson has no clue what he's doing. Not a single rational person could look at this team and aay "Jeff Teague at 4 years 60+ makes the Knicks a good team" The 2015 Knicks "thought" they would be good, weren't and drafted a potential stud, Phil spent big money on veterans with the idea the 2016-2017 Knicks would be "good", they weren't. Until we see evidence that Phil has given up on this idea then we have to assume that is what is going to happen again.