Again getting 2 all rookie players the last 2 years. Grant had value to other teams even after a mediocre year (and I was big fan of that pick).
I was fine with Lee signing. I think most fans were more than fine with going after Noah.
It's the valuation and direction I'm not fine with. Phil doesn't understand the potential of this team (or he has another agenda to act like it can compete). At the end of the day he wasn't paid the big bucks to do what Sam Hinkie did (who currently doesn't have a job in the NBA)
And while he was going after alright players, he went on a shopping spree with Dolan's wallet.
Let him handle the draft. Hell, I don't even think we'll sniff the big ticket items in free agency because
1) they will have more financial incentives with their current teams
2)they won't choose the Knicks over their current or other teams at the same prices
I don't think it's physically possible for phil to fuck up the Knicks situation anymore. Sure, I want a GM with the clear direction to rebuild, but I think there are limited ways to go about this offseason in general. So whatever, phil stays 1 more year and then we get a GM we can have more faith in.
I can tell you right now outside of drafting a "#1" star or "#2 star" on a title team with this years pick, signing guys like Jeff Teague = path to more shitty seasons. They have 27 wins and that's with relatively good health for the key players on the team.
Melo, Rose, KP, Lee all remained as healthy as you can expect as a group. Noah was hurt. The roster sucks. Adding mediocre veterans doesn't change that.
Again getting 2 all rookie players the last 2 years. Grant had value to other teams even after a mediocre year (and I was big fan of that pick).
I was fine with Lee signing. I think most fans were more than fine with going after Noah.
It's the valuation and direction I'm not fine with. Phil doesn't understand the potential of this team (or he has another agenda to act like it can compete). At the end of the day he wasn't paid the big bucks to do what Sam Hinkie did (who currently doesn't have a job in the NBA)
And while he was going after alright players, he went on a shopping spree with Dolan's wallet.
Let him handle the draft. Hell, I don't even think we'll sniff the big ticket items in free agency because
1) they will have more financial incentives with their current teams
2)they won't choose the Knicks over their current or other teams at the same prices
I don't think it's physically possible for phil to fuck up the Knicks situation anymore. Sure, I want a GM with the clear direction to rebuild, but I think there are limited ways to go about this offseason in general. So whatever, phil stays 1 more year and then we get a GM we can have more faith in.
My concerns aren't the big ticket FA. My concerns are guys like Jeff Teague, There are only so many starting PG roles. If the Knicks offer him the biggest deal would it really be shocking to see a guy like that sign here?
are the New York Rangers, and the history of similarly dysfunctional teams having their fortunes change with the right players or players. The Clippers put the Knicks to shame with their dysfunction, but managed to turn things around even while Donald Sterling was still around. Patriots are another example, as are the Cubs. That's our only hope - KP, this year's pick and next year's pick are just so talented that they drag this team into contention over the next few years.
I do mean exactly the Jeff Teagues and George Hills.
Not because of name but because of the money they will be getting.
I am 0 concerned that any of those PGs will be on the Knicks next season.
Your lips to God's ears. These are the exact kind of moves I would loathe. I can already see the BBI arguments "I just want to see a better brand of basketball" "with better PG play I could see us winning 50 games with Tatum and Teague"
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The Knicks get a good pick and do or don't draft a PG. Let's say they trade Melo and Rose can't find money outside. What if they gave him a 1 year deal at about 10-15M. Would you be ok with that?
in strategy from Phil/Mills to sit out the free agent market this summer. The last two summers, they've spent every last cap dollar on whoever would take their money. I expect more of the same this summer....with perhaps a lousy Melo trade thrown in just to really piss me off.
The Knicks get a good pick and do or don't draft a PG. Let's say they trade Melo and Rose can't find money outside. What if they gave him a 1 year deal at about 10-15M. Would you be ok with that?
No. That would be a terrible move. They traded Melo for presumably a crap return (lets be honest here on paper the Knicks return 99% is not going to be "better" than what Melo gives them next year, at least not in 2018). Rose doesn't play defense (which impacts the other defenders) and he doesn't do a particularly good job setting up KP/Willy.
He could either try to build a 40-win team just so he can retire and say, "Hey I built a playoff team in NY!" or he can use these next two years to build a young team in the precise way that he wants and plant the seeds for a decade of success after he's gone. I sure hope it's the latter.
in theory makes sense (best Euro PG, wants guaranteed minutes/role) but I've read he's heavily a pick n roll guy. In theory that would be great for KP/Willy but not sure if that works in the system we are going to be running. We do very little pnr
in strategy from Phil/Mills to sit out the free agent market this summer. The last two summers, they've spent every last cap dollar on whoever would take their money. I expect more of the same this summer....with perhaps a lousy Melo trade thrown in just to really piss me off.
why do you expect more of the same?
the year they signed afflalo lopez and oquinn they had no draft pick coming up so they tried to make the playoffs..
last off season they decided 1 last try to build something around melo it didnt work and luckily for them the team bottomed out...
this year they have all their draftmpicks, all future draft picks, rose can walk and they will most likely trade melo...
the player they will be building around is 22 so there will be no rush like there was with melo..
i really dont see phil going for the quick fix this summer because he doesnt have to
in theory makes sense (best Euro PG, wants guaranteed minutes/role) but I've read he's heavily a pick n roll guy. In theory that would be great for KP/Willy but not sure if that works in the system we are going to be running. We do very little pnr
isnt the story that he really doesnt want to leave and there are teams overseas willing to make him one of the highest paid players..
plus he is already 29, unless he really wants to play in the nba i dont see why he comes over now
The Knicks get a good pick and do or don't draft a PG. Let's say they trade Melo and Rose can't find money outside. What if they gave him a 1 year deal at about 10-15M. Would you be ok with that?
No. The only reason to trade Melo, which is something they should do, is to start developing this team around KP/Willy/2017 pick and Rose doesn't help that. If that trio does well, great. If they struggle to win and land high in the lottery again, possibly even better as they'll add another (potentially) significant piece for the future.
in theory makes sense (best Euro PG, wants guaranteed minutes/role) but I've read he's heavily a pick n roll guy. In theory that would be great for KP/Willy but not sure if that works in the system we are going to be running. We do very little pnr
isnt the story that he really doesnt want to leave and there are teams overseas willing to make him one of the highest paid players..
plus he is already 29, unless he really wants to play in the nba i dont see why he comes over now
He's implied he both wants to get paid and play for a contender AND get a guaranteed role so unless he's just BSing odds are he just stays over there. How many contenders are giving a 30 year old big money and minutes? I guess I could see a team like the Spurs doing something there if Mills were to bolt. This other kid Jovic sounds more likely to leave Europe.
like prigioni, i know he was 38 but the only reason he came over is because scola and ginobli told him to come over and just experience it for a couple of years..
a lot of the overseas guys get to a point where it is just not worth it then when they finally like ok, they are past their lrime..
i think that is why kuz decided to come when he did
To be honest i am surprised hernangomez didnt wait another year or so
realmadrid offered him a ni e contract to stay for 2 more years and he turned them down, i wonder if his brother getting drafted and coming over had anything to do with it..
i also wonder if kp recruited him a little bit...
RE: To be honest i am surprised hernangomez didnt wait another year or so
realmadrid offered him a ni e contract to stay for 2 more years and he turned them down, i wonder if his brother getting drafted and coming over had anything to do with it..
i also wonder if kp recruited him a little bit...
I suspect part of it was Juancho saying he wanted to come directly to the NBA.
in strategy from Phil/Mills to sit out the free agent market this summer. The last two summers, they've spent every last cap dollar on whoever would take their money. I expect more of the same this summer....with perhaps a lousy Melo trade thrown in just to really piss me off.
why do you expect more of the same?
the year they signed afflalo lopez and oquinn they had no draft pick coming up so they tried to make the playoffs..
last off season they decided 1 last try to build something around melo it didnt work and luckily for them the team bottomed out...
this year they have all their draftmpicks, all future draft picks, rose can walk and they will most likely trade melo...
the player they will be building around is 22 so there will be no rush like there was with melo..
i really dont see phil going for the quick fix this summer because he doesnt have to
Phil is old and stupid. The owner is just stupid. That's why I expect more of the same. And they do not have all of their picks going forward. When you factor in second rounders they are draft pick negative. And they don't own their own #2 until 2022...not really ideal if they plan on rebuilding.
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Hearing Magic Johnson, knowing UCLA/Kentucky is a scouting must first-hand, will reluctantly miss Shaquille O'Neal's statue ceremony tonight
the only 2 years knocks do not have 2nd round picks
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he doesnt, knicks gm and their lead scout will be in memphis
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he doesnt, knicks gm and their lead scout will be in memphis
So the Lakers lead scout won't be in Memphis? Magic is going alone? c'mon lol
do realize the Knicks GM is not a scout right? He's a contract signer. Please provide me with evidence Knicks GM Steve Mills is someone we should value attending the game.
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he doesnt, knicks gm and their lead scout will be in memphis
So the Lakers lead scout won't be in Memphis? Magic is going alone? c'mon lol
Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.
In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]
On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]
I must be missing the part where it highlights his scouting accumen
most people who will be making final decisions on potential top 5 picks will make it their duty to be in attendance if at all possible. That's how this works.... ya know the way PHIL JACKSON attended games until now?
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Do many GMs or team presidents personally attend games for prospects?
Do we know if Jerry Reese or Marc Ross went to "scout" players in BCS bowl games?
They absolutely do. Phil as a posted below was noted as attending multiple games in person, thus the famous illegal Russell quote.
Okay, that's good context. But by this line of thinking allowing for the fact that he does travel maybe he's already seen UCLA and Kentucky and it's just gone unmentioned.
do not know for a fact he hasn't but generally when someone of his stature appears at a college game it is noted. None of the writers have mentioned any such thing all season. He's hiding somewhere?
defender? I can't get a read, different sites say different things. He seems to have the athleticism to stick to PGs, but doesn't have elite wingspan. Wouldn't hate the pick, but I'd be dissapointed if we passed on Tatum/Isaac for him.
I was fine with Lee signing. I think most fans were more than fine with going after Noah.
It's the valuation and direction I'm not fine with. Phil doesn't understand the potential of this team (or he has another agenda to act like it can compete). At the end of the day he wasn't paid the big bucks to do what Sam Hinkie did (who currently doesn't have a job in the NBA)
And while he was going after alright players, he went on a shopping spree with Dolan's wallet.
Let him handle the draft. Hell, I don't even think we'll sniff the big ticket items in free agency because
1) they will have more financial incentives with their current teams
2)they won't choose the Knicks over their current or other teams at the same prices
I don't think it's physically possible for phil to fuck up the Knicks situation anymore. Sure, I want a GM with the clear direction to rebuild, but I think there are limited ways to go about this offseason in general. So whatever, phil stays 1 more year and then we get a GM we can have more faith in.
Melo, Rose, KP, Lee all remained as healthy as you can expect as a group. Noah was hurt. The roster sucks. Adding mediocre veterans doesn't change that.
I was fine with Lee signing. I think most fans were more than fine with going after Noah.
It's the valuation and direction I'm not fine with. Phil doesn't understand the potential of this team (or he has another agenda to act like it can compete). At the end of the day he wasn't paid the big bucks to do what Sam Hinkie did (who currently doesn't have a job in the NBA)
And while he was going after alright players, he went on a shopping spree with Dolan's wallet.
Let him handle the draft. Hell, I don't even think we'll sniff the big ticket items in free agency because
1) they will have more financial incentives with their current teams
2)they won't choose the Knicks over their current or other teams at the same prices
I don't think it's physically possible for phil to fuck up the Knicks situation anymore. Sure, I want a GM with the clear direction to rebuild, but I think there are limited ways to go about this offseason in general. So whatever, phil stays 1 more year and then we get a GM we can have more faith in.
My concerns aren't the big ticket FA. My concerns are guys like Jeff Teague, There are only so many starting PG roles. If the Knicks offer him the biggest deal would it really be shocking to see a guy like that sign here?
Not because of name but because of the money they will be getting.
I am 0 concerned that any of those PGs will be on the Knicks next season.
Not because of name but because of the money they will be getting.
I am 0 concerned that any of those PGs will be on the Knicks next season.
Your lips to God's ears. These are the exact kind of moves I would loathe. I can already see the BBI arguments "I just want to see a better brand of basketball" "with better PG play I could see us winning 50 games with Tatum and Teague"
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No. That would be a terrible move. They traded Melo for presumably a crap return (lets be honest here on paper the Knicks return 99% is not going to be "better" than what Melo gives them next year, at least not in 2018). Rose doesn't play defense (which impacts the other defenders) and he doesn't do a particularly good job setting up KP/Willy.
I'd rather give 35 year old Sergio a 1 year $15M deal than almost any other rumored FA target.
And Sergio won't even cost that much.
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why do you expect more of the same?
the year they signed afflalo lopez and oquinn they had no draft pick coming up so they tried to make the playoffs..
last off season they decided 1 last try to build something around melo it didnt work and luckily for them the team bottomed out...
this year they have all their draftmpicks, all future draft picks, rose can walk and they will most likely trade melo...
the player they will be building around is 22 so there will be no rush like there was with melo..
i really dont see phil going for the quick fix this summer because he doesnt have to
isnt the story that he really doesnt want to leave and there are teams overseas willing to make him one of the highest paid players..
plus he is already 29, unless he really wants to play in the nba i dont see why he comes over now
No. The only reason to trade Melo, which is something they should do, is to start developing this team around KP/Willy/2017 pick and Rose doesn't help that. If that trio does well, great. If they struggle to win and land high in the lottery again, possibly even better as they'll add another (potentially) significant piece for the future.
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in theory makes sense (best Euro PG, wants guaranteed minutes/role) but I've read he's heavily a pick n roll guy. In theory that would be great for KP/Willy but not sure if that works in the system we are going to be running. We do very little pnr
isnt the story that he really doesnt want to leave and there are teams overseas willing to make him one of the highest paid players..
plus he is already 29, unless he really wants to play in the nba i dont see why he comes over now
He's implied he both wants to get paid and play for a contender AND get a guaranteed role so unless he's just BSing odds are he just stays over there. How many contenders are giving a 30 year old big money and minutes? I guess I could see a team like the Spurs doing something there if Mills were to bolt. This other kid Jovic sounds more likely to leave Europe.
a lot of the overseas guys get to a point where it is just not worth it then when they finally like ok, they are past their lrime..
i think that is why kuz decided to come when he did
i also wonder if kp recruited him a little bit...
i also wonder if kp recruited him a little bit...
I suspect part of it was Juancho saying he wanted to come directly to the NBA.
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in strategy from Phil/Mills to sit out the free agent market this summer. The last two summers, they've spent every last cap dollar on whoever would take their money. I expect more of the same this summer....with perhaps a lousy Melo trade thrown in just to really piss me off.
why do you expect more of the same?
the year they signed afflalo lopez and oquinn they had no draft pick coming up so they tried to make the playoffs..
last off season they decided 1 last try to build something around melo it didnt work and luckily for them the team bottomed out...
this year they have all their draftmpicks, all future draft picks, rose can walk and they will most likely trade melo...
the player they will be building around is 22 so there will be no rush like there was with melo..
i really dont see phil going for the quick fix this summer because he doesnt have to
Phil is old and stupid. The owner is just stupid. That's why I expect more of the same. And they do not have all of their picks going forward. When you factor in second rounders they are draft pick negative. And they don't own their own #2 until 2022...not really ideal if they plan on rebuilding.
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they have 2 2nd round picks in this years draft
2018 1st and a 2nd
2019 1st and 2 2nds
2020 1st
2021 1st
so again tell me how they ate draft pick deficient?
Confirmed guests for Shaq's statue unveiling today include Kobe Bryant, Phil Jackson, Jerry West, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Derek Fisher.
C'mon. If there were so little value to scouting in person why would teams even send scouts at all?
Confirmed guests for Shaq's statue unveiling today include Kobe Bryant, Phil Jackson, Jerry West, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Derek Fisher.
he doesnt, knicks gm and their lead scout will be in memphis
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he doesnt, knicks gm and their lead scout will be in memphis
So the Lakers lead scout won't be in Memphis? Magic is going alone? c'mon lol
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he doesnt, knicks gm and their lead scout will be in memphis
So the Lakers lead scout won't be in Memphis? Magic is going alone? c'mon lol
so because magic is going that means phil has to?
is colangelo going to college games?
is phoenixs president going?
is vlade going to be there?
is layden going to be there?
In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]
On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]
I must be missing the part where it highlights his scouting accumen
Do we know if Jerry Reese or Marc Ross went to "scout" players in BCS bowl games?
how do you even know he has not seen these players live?
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Do we know if Jerry Reese or Marc Ross went to "scout" players in BCS bowl games?
They absolutely do. Phil as a posted below was noted as attending multiple games in person, thus the famous illegal Russell quote.
But this seems a bit of nothing.
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Do many GMs or team presidents personally attend games for prospects?
Do we know if Jerry Reese or Marc Ross went to "scout" players in BCS bowl games?
They absolutely do. Phil as a posted below was noted as attending multiple games in person, thus the famous illegal Russell quote.
Okay, that's good context. But by this line of thinking allowing for the fact that he does travel maybe he's already seen UCLA and Kentucky and it's just gone unmentioned.
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Do many GMs or team presidents personally attend games for prospects?
Do we know if Jerry Reese or Marc Ross went to "scout" players in BCS bowl games?
They absolutely do. Phil as a posted below was noted as attending multiple games in person, thus the famous illegal Russell quote.
and again how do younknow he hasnt?